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标题[转录] 千万别成为科学家!
时间Sat Nov 19 17:28:10 2011
Don’t Become a Scientist!
Jonathan I. Katz
Professor of Physics
Washington University, St. Louis, Mo.
[my last name]@wuphys.wustl.edu
千万别成为科学家!
Are you thinking of becoming a scientist? Do you want to uncover the
mysteries of nature, perform experiments or carry out calculations to learn
how the world works? Forget it!
Science is fun and exciting. The thrill of discovery is unique. If you are
smart, ambitious and hard working you should major in science as an
undergraduate. But that is as far as you should take it. After graduation,
you will have to deal with the real world. That means that you should not
even consider going to graduate school in science. Do something else instead:
medical school, law school, computers or engineering, or something else which
appeals to you.
你在打算成为科学家吗?你想揭开自然的奥秘、用做实验或计算的方式来研究整个世界是
怎麽运作的?把这个想法忘了吧!
的确,科学很有趣,也很刺激。由发现而产生的强烈快感是独一无二的。如果你很聪明、
有野心,并且也很刻苦努力的话,你的确应该在读本科的时候选择科学。但这就够了,到
此为止。本科毕业之後,你将必须面对这个真实的世界。这意味着,你不应该哪怕是考虑
去读科学方面的研究生。做点其他的行当吧:医学、法律、电脑、工程,或者其他随便什
麽你能想到的。
Why am I (a tenured professor of physics) trying to discourage you from
following a career path which was successful for me? Because times have
changed (I received my Ph.D. in 1973, and tenure in 1976). American science
no longer offers a reasonable career path. If you go to graduate school in
science it is in the expectation of spending your working life doing
scientific research, using your ingenuity and curiosity to solve important
and interesting problems. You will almost certainly be disappointed, probably
when it is too late to choose another career.
American universities train roughly twice as many Ph.D.s as there are jobs
for them. When something, or someone, is a glut on the market, the price
drops. In the case of Ph.D. scientists, the reduction in price takes the form
of many years spent in “holding pattern” postdoctoral jobs. Permanent jobs
don’t pay much less than they used to, but instead of obtaining a real job
two years after the Ph.D. (as was typical 25 years ago) most young scientists
spend five, ten, or more years as postdocs. They have no prospect of
permanent employment and often must obtain a new postdoctoral position and
move every two years. For many more details consult the Young Scientists’
Network or read the account in the May, 2001 issue of the Washington
Monthly.
为什麽我,一个有终身职位的物理学教授,一个在科学事业上很成功的人,要来试图打击
你们将科学作为毕生事业的勇气和信心呢?因为世道变了。我1973年拿到我的博士学位,
1976年就拿到了终身教职。美国的科学界现在已经不能提供一条合理的事业生涯的途径了
。如果你去读科学的研究生,你大概一定会期望着用你毕生的工作精力去做科学研究,用
你的智慧和好奇心去解决那些重要而又有趣的问题。实话讲,你基本上一定会失望,而失
望的时候,你大概已经错过了选择其他任何职业的机会。
美国的大学制造了两倍於其工作职位数量的博士。当随便一个什麽东西,或一种人,满大
街随便捡的时候,他就不值钱了。对於博士科学家来说,掉价的形式是他们不得不用许多
年做一期又一期的博士後,等待着一个工作机会的到来。永久职位不会比以往给的薪水少
多少,但25年前一个博士毕业後大约2年後就能找到一个真正的工作,而现在绝大多数的
年轻科学家都得当5年,10年,甚至更久的博士後。他们没什麽拿到永久职位的盼头,常
常必须每两年找一个新的博士後工作,然後搬家。欲知更多详情,请谘询“青年科学家协
会”或读一读华盛顿大学月报2001年5月的文章。
As examples, consider two of the leading candidates for a recent Assistant
Professorship in my department. One was 37, ten years out of graduate school
(he didn’t get the job). The leading candidate, whom everyone thinks is
brilliant, was 35, seven years out of graduate school. Only then was he
offered his first permanent job (that’s not tenure, just the possibility of
it six years later, and a step off the treadmill of looking for a new job
every two years). The latest example is a 39 year old candidate for another
Assistant Professorship; he has published 35 papers. In contrast, a doctor
typically enters private practice at 29, a lawyer at 25 and makes partner at
31, and a computer scientist with a Ph.D. has a very good job at 27 (computer
science and engineering are the few fields in which industrial demand makes
it sensible to get a Ph.D.). Anyone with the intelligence, ambition and
willingness to work hard to succeed in science can also succeed in any of
these other professions.
Typical postdoctoral salaries begin at 27,000 annually in the biological
sciences and about 35,000 in the physical sciences (graduate student stipends
are less than half these figures). Can you support a family on that income?
It suffices for a young couple in a small apartment, though I know of one
physicist whose wife left him because she was tired of repeatedly moving with
little prospect of settling down. When you are in your thirties you will need
more: a house in a good school district and all the other necessities of
ordinary middle class life. Science is a profession, not a religious
vocation, and does not justify an oath of poverty or celibacy.
就拿我们系里最牛的两个准备竞争一个讲师职位的人来作例子。一个家伙37岁,博士毕业
已经10年了,一直没找到工作。另一个最牛的家伙,35岁,人人都认为他很聪明,博士毕
业7年了才找到一个“永久工作”(其实不是永久教职,只是6年後有希望获得永久教职而
已,不过这已经让他稍稍远离那种每两年就要找新博士後工作搬家的驴拉磨闭环了)。还
有一个例子,一个39岁的家伙,想竞聘另一个讲师职位。他发了35篇文章。与之形成鲜明
对比的是,一个典型的医生29岁就进入了实习阶段,一个典型的律师25岁就开始实习,31
岁正式进事务所,一个电脑博士科学家在27岁时已经能得到很好的工作了。电脑科学和工
程科学是工业界需要人才的仅有的两个领域,因此这两个行当还是值得去读个博士出来的
。任何一个人,如果他有智慧和野心,能刻苦工作,如果他能在科学上成功的话,他也能
在其他任何行当上成功。
典型的博士後薪水是每年27000美元(生物科学)或35000美元(物理科学)。博士生的奖
学金比这个一半还少。用这麽点收入你能支持一个家庭吗?嗯,够年轻的小俩口住一个很
小的房子。不过我认识一个物理学家,他的妻子把他踹了,因为她实在厌倦了跟他不停地
搬家却一点定居的希望都看不到。当你三十多岁的时候你就会需要更多的东西:一个大房
子,附近有好的学校,以及其他中产阶级生活所必需的设施。科学是一个职业,而不是一
个宗教的呼召,也不是一个贫穷或独身的判决或者宣誓。
Of course, you don’t go into science to get rich. So you choose not to go to
medical or law school, even though a doctor or lawyer typically earns two to
three times as much as a scientist (one lucky enough to have a good
senior-level job). I made that choice too. I became a scientist in order to
have the freedom to work on problems which interest me. But you probably won’
t get that freedom. As a postdoc you will work on someone else’s ideas, and
may be treated as a technician rather than as an independent collaborator.
Eventually, you will probably be squeezed out of science entirely. You can
get a fine job as a computer programmer, but why not do this at 22, rather
than putting up with a decade of misery in the scientific job market first?
The longer you spend in science the harder you will find it to leave, and the
less attractive you will be to prospective employers in other fields.
Perhaps you are so talented that you can beat the postdoc trap; some
university (there are hardly any industrial jobs in the physical sciences)
will be so impressed with you that you will be hired into a tenure track
position two years out of graduate school. Maybe. But the general cheapening
of scientific labor means that even the most talented stay on the
postdoctoral treadmill for a very long time; consider the job candidates
described above. And many who appear to be very talented, with grades and
recommendations to match, later find that the competition of research is more
difficult, or at least different, and that they must struggle with the rest.
显然,你走科学道路并不能使你发财——你没有选择去读医学或法律,而一个医生或律师
典型的收入是科学家的2-3倍(这还得是那些运气忒好的正教授科学家们)。我也做了这
个选择。我成为一个科学家是为了有自由来解决那些让我感兴趣的问题。但你可能并不能
得到这种自由。作为一个博士後,你只能按照别人的想法来工作,可能被当成一个技术员
来使唤,而不是作为一个单独的科学家来合作。最终,你可能被彻底排挤出科学界。你可
以得到一份很好的工作,比如电脑程式员,但为什麽不在你22岁的时候做这份好工作,而
要在科学界的人才市场上面悲悲惨惨地混上10年先?你再科学上面花的时间越多,你会发
现你越难离开,而且你对其他行当的雇主而言变得越来越没有吸引力。
也许你脑瓜足够灵光,以至於你能跳出博士後的陷阱。有些大学会被你打动而在你博士毕
业2年後给你一个可能的永久职位。这是可能的。但是科学劳动力市场的整体掉价意味着
最灵光的脑瓜也得被拴在博士後磨盘上当驴转上很长时间。想想上面举过的例子吧。许多
看上去非常有才而且有傲人的成绩和推荐信的人,後来发现研究上的竞争比其他一切的奋
斗都要困难。
Suppose you do eventually obtain a permanent job, perhaps a tenured
professorship. The struggle for a job is now replaced by a struggle for grant
support, and again there is a glut of scientists. Now you spend your time
writing proposals rather than doing research. Worse, because your proposals
are judged by your competitors you cannot follow your curiosity, but must
spend your effort and talents on anticipating and deflecting criticism rather
than on solving the important scientific problems. They’re not the same
thing: you cannot put your past successes in a proposal, because they are
finished work, and your new ideas, however original and clever, are still
unproven. It is proverbial that original ideas are the kiss of death for a
proposal; because they have not yet been proved to work (after all, that is
what you are proposing to do) they can be, and will be, rated poorly. Having
achieved the promised land, you find that it is not what you wanted after
all.
What can be done? The first thing for any young person (which means anyone
who does not have a permanent job in science) to do is to pursue another
career. This will spare you the misery of disappointed expectations. Young
Americans have generally woken up to the bad prospects and absence of a
reasonable middle class career path in science and are deserting it. If you
haven’t yet, then join them. Leave graduate school to people from India and
China, for whom the prospects at home are even worse. I have known more
people whose lives have been ruined by getting a Ph.D. in physics than by
drugs.
假设你最终拿到了一个永久教职,一个终身教授职位。现在你不必为每两年一次的工作而
奋斗,取而代之的是为研究经费而斗争。你会又一次地发现,这个世界上的科学家有一大
箩筐,而你自己又不值钱了。现在你焚膏继晷地写研究计画,而不是去做研究。更糟糕的
是,因为你的研究计画会被你的同行竞争者来审阅,你就不能按照你自己所好奇的东西来
写。你得把你的努力和聪明才智浪费在怎麽咬文嚼字地让那帮混蛋不要挑刺上,而不是去
解决重要的科学问题。这是两个截然不同的事情:你不能把你过去的成功写进研究计画,
因为那些是已经完成的工作;而那些原创性的天才想法还没有被证明。一句谚语说,原创
性的想法是研究计画中的死神之吻(乍看有益但实则会导致毁灭的行为),因为这些想法
根本就没有被证明可行(废话,被证明可行了你还写个屁的研究计画),因此它们会被认
为是垃圾。因此,当你费劲千辛万苦终於到达了那“应许之地”的教授职位上,你会发现
这根本就不是你原来想要的。
那麽,你能做什麽?对任何年轻人(即任何还没有取得科学界的永久职位的人)来说,首
要任务是去找一份其他的工作,这讲是你避免失望的痛苦。美国年轻的一代已经觉醒,看
到了科学界黯淡的发展前景以及无法拥有一个合理的中产阶级生活,因此他们已经不愿意
做科学家。如果你还没有觉醒的话,赶紧加入他们的行列。把博士班留给印度人和中国人
吧——他们的家乡情况更糟。在我所认识的人中,人生被读物理博士所毁的人数比被毒品
所毁的人还要多。
If you are in a position of leadership in science then you should try to
persuade the funding agencies to train fewer Ph.D.s. The glut of scientists
is entirely the consequence of funding policies (almost all graduate
education is paid for by federal grants). The funding agencies are bemoaning
the scarcity of young people interested in science when they themselves
caused this scarcity by destroying science as a career. They could reverse
this situation by matching the number trained to the demand, but they refuse
to do so, or even to discuss the problem seriously (for many years the NSF
propagated a dishonest prediction of a coming shortage of scientists, and
most funding agencies still act as if this were true). The result is that the
best young people, who should go into science, sensibly refuse to do so, and
the graduate schools are filled with weak American students and with
foreigners lured by the American student visa.
如果你身居高位,能够领导科学界,那麽你应该尝试着去劝说那些发放研究经费的部门少
招些博士生。大街上论吨撮的科学家完全就是他们的资助政策的後果——几乎所有的博士
生都是由联邦基金支持的)。那些基金会总在抱怨很少有年轻人对科学感兴趣,而造成这
种结果的原因正是他们毁了科学作为事业。他们本可以扭转这种局面,只要他们少招些博
士生,让博士生的人数与教职的人数大致相当就可以了,但他们不干,甚至他们根本不屑
於严肃地讨论这件事(许多年来,NSF到处宣扬他们虚假的预测,说科学家短缺,而多数
基金会好像真以为是这麽回事)。结果就是,最好的年轻人,本该去做科学家的,对此唯
恐避之不及;而博士班里是一帮弱弱的美国学生,还有一帮被美国学生签证所吸引来的外
国人。
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1F:推 jingner:推~可惜我太晚看到这篇文章了@@ 11/19 18:07
2F:推 nthuchieh:好文章!可惜我太晚了解这个事实 11/19 19:52
3F:→ shunwang:我以自身的青春亲身体会 有机会我就会劝身边的年轻人 11/19 20:16
4F:→ shunwang:不过很少很少人懂得 11/19 20:18
5F:推 biolenz:这篇不是很久了吗? 11/19 21:10
6F:推 biolenz:现在postdoc应该有40-50K, phd学生都有24-32k了 11/19 21:16
7F:推 biolenz:还有一个痛苦的来源我觉得是因为把研究当职业,所以会比 11/19 21:20
8F:→ biolenz:来比去,如果是把它当作一种生活的方式呢? 11/19 21:21
9F:推 biolenz:如果把做研究当作自己一辈子的工作,我想就不会有什麽时 11/19 21:24
10F:→ biolenz:间先後问题,多作几年博後,或是晚一点念博士只是另一种人 11/19 21:25
11F:→ biolenz:生选择,自己选了就不要到处比较,用心作好我想努力总是会 11/19 21:27
12F:→ biolenz:被看见,属於该是你的东西也不会少,不至於要劝退吧。 11/19 21:28
13F:→ biolenz:我反而觉得这有点像反串文,意思是说把研究当职业的人, 11/19 21:29
14F:→ biolenz:走这条路之前要想清楚。 11/19 21:30
15F:推 captdavince:我倒是认为还蛮中肯..真的好奇科学..却也被一堆繁文褥 11/20 01:21
16F:→ captdavince:节弄到不是真正专心在科学上...对醉心研究的人..可是 11/20 01:21
17F:→ captdavince:生不是只有你的职业..你还有家庭...或许你可以奉献一 11/20 01:22
18F:→ captdavince:生在科学上..但是不代表你伴侣你的小孩不会有负面影响 11/20 01:22
19F:→ winchin:在怎麽醉心 总也是要生活 总也要有个限度。不然只是拖累 11/20 01:26
20F:→ winchin:家人。醉心个几年,若还是没法看到未来(稳定的工作),任谁 11/20 01:26
21F:→ winchin:都会想换跑道。 11/20 01:27
22F:推 fushi:上面B大你的上限差不多 下限应该减10K 台湾情况正在像上 11/20 02:43
23F:→ fushi:面这篇文章所说 已经迈一脚进去了 美国已经积重难返了 11/20 02:43
24F:→ fushi:美国这麽多年来加上过去几年经济变差 教职变的更难找 11/20 02:44
25F:→ fushi:累积了多少世代的博士後都在找....而大头还是大头 11/20 02:46
26F:→ fushi:其实B大觉得还OK就是因为他的最後一句 台湾来美国会觉得 11/20 02:50
27F:→ fushi:好像可以 因为台湾领的通常比美国少... 美国人自己跟自己 11/20 02:51
28F:→ fushi:比的话 就完全是这篇所讲的 如同你在台湾自己跟自己比 11/20 02:52
29F:→ fushi:你高中同学念医科的现在说不定都自己开诊所了 11/20 02:53
30F:→ fushi:虽然他们现在也是哇哇叫就是了 我赞成一旦念了就要全心投入 11/20 02:54
31F:→ fushi:但是对那些还没念的 应该让他们搞清楚 就跟买东西都要货 11/20 02:55
32F:→ fushi:比三家一样 比较好了再买 买了以後就不要後悔 11/20 02:56
33F:→ fushi:其实换个想法就是 学术界是金字塔 而这个金字塔一直扩建 11/20 02:57
34F:→ fushi:但是不管下面多的再多 顶端还是那个大小没甚麽变化 11/20 02:58
35F:推 pikaq:有一句:科学是一个职业而非一个宗教... 这个不是每人都认同~ 11/20 12:26
36F:→ pikaq:我就认识博士生把学术生涯当宗教的...三十岁还月入几千元~ 11/20 12:26
37F:→ pikaq:十年女友离开他嫁别人...只能希望他熬到四十岁能成功了... 11/20 12:27
38F:推 pikaq:他认为我们这些想换跑道的是思考功利~ 求真理的意志不坚... 11/20 12:29
39F:推 Eigwan:本篇文章 中肯! 11/20 22:44
40F:推 rukia175:这篇可以给我以後的职业选择做参考 11/21 10:58
41F:推 stare7500:台湾真的把高等教育搞得变一坨屎 11/21 12:24
42F:→ LeeSeDol:人生被读物理博士所毁的人数比被毒品所毁的人还要多。 11/21 19:55
43F:→ LeeSeDol:这麽恐怖啊! wwwwww 11/21 19:56
44F:→ enijmax:楼上的,人家前面有加一句"在我所认识的人中" 11/21 23:20
45F:→ enijmax:身为一个物理系教授接触到念物理的人比吸毒的人多很正常啊 11/21 23:22
46F:→ LeeSeDol:我讶异的是人生被毁的程度竟用到毒品来夸饰, 并非比例喔 11/22 01:46
※ silenceworld:转录至看板 NCKU_MI99 11/22 11:11
47F:→ eva19452002:我觉得这个宇宙中,还有太多未知的谜等着人类去解,为 11/22 12:00
48F:→ eva19452002:什麽没有一个好的环境让这些年轻博士後做研究呢? 11/22 12:00
49F:推 FSGuitar:因为人类还是要以吃饱为优先 吃都吃不饱了 就不需要 11/22 21:04
50F:→ FSGuitar:做研究了 所以自然不会有太多的工作机会是纯研究的 11/22 21:04
51F:→ FSGuitar:毕竟要有好的研究结果通常都得花上数十年以上... 11/22 21:06
52F:→ FSGuitar:这样的投资报酬率不可能让大量的人投入的 11/22 21:06
53F:推 Shizuku:我想因为是外国人写的吧 美国给博後的薪资水准是比一般 11/23 11:08
54F:→ Shizuku:在外面工作的普通人还低的 系秘跟系上的machanic都赚更多 11/23 11:10
55F:→ Shizuku:不像在台湾 博後的薪水还是比一般人好一些 11/23 11:10
※ ybchen:转录至看板 NTUGIPO_PNSL 11/25 02:18
56F:推 oolontea:资讯不对等、造成供需不平衡、再造成此结果 11/29 04:36
57F:推 momo1210:我在美国的老板曾经跟我提过为什麽博後的薪水无法提高 11/29 10:25
58F:→ momo1210:她认为博後常会花很多时间在到处演讲 投稿(且挂第一作者) 11/29 10:26
59F:→ momo1210:而无法随时像一般雇员一样在公司或LAB待命 她认为博後注 11/29 10:28
60F:→ momo1210:重的是个人的追求和成长 但对LAB或公司而言 却没整体助益 11/29 10:29
61F:→ momo1210:当然这是在美国的情形 美国博後和教职薪水就有很大的GAP 11/29 10:29
62F:→ puec2:等等,对Lab有助益的意思是什麽? 11/29 12:12
63F:推 momo1210:我的感觉是她觉得博後是一个短暂的位置 当博後的人很有可 11/29 12:53
64F:→ momo1210:能在一年或两年左右就离开了 但实验室还是得延续 所以另 11/29 12:54
65F:→ momo1210:一种相对稳定且薪水高的正职缺research scientist就是对 11/29 12:56
66F:→ momo1210:照 但这只是我老板的感觉 并不是所有老板都会这样认为 11/29 12:57
67F:推 xacross:我觉得楼上的讲法不符合逻辑,难不成博後的PAPER老板不挂 11/29 16:54
68F:→ xacross:名吗? 难道博後的研究经验对整个实验室的战力无法提升吗? 11/29 16:54
69F:→ xacross:用待的时间长短来看,那一般公司的员工,是不是得待满三年 11/29 16:56
70F:→ xacross:以上才有办法拿全薪,三年以下都拿半薪就好,因为对公司的 11/29 16:56
71F:→ xacross:延续没有帮助? 11/29 16:56
72F:推 momo1210:不好意思 楼上火气也别这麽大 这是我老板跟我说的 我也不 11/30 01:56
73F:→ momo1210:是PI 台湾的博後薪资相对於美国来说算非常好 如果真的觉 11/30 01:58
74F:→ momo1210:得不公平 希望等各位有朝一日自己成为老板 能记得此刻 11/30 01:59
75F:→ momo1210:善用人才 用公平和合理的要求对待所有博後,助理或学生 11/30 01:59
76F:推 xacross:抱歉,我并没有指责momo大的意思,只是觉得若是一个PI有这 12/01 13:00
77F:→ xacross:种想法,应该要有人出来反对一下,不然当有这种想法的PI渐 12/01 13:02
78F:→ xacross:渐多起来的话,我想并不是一件好事。 12/01 13:03
79F:推 etw710:难怪我爸..... 0.0 04/16 12:52
80F:推 skylance: 突然觉得该好好想想还要不要继续走完这条路了 03/29 23:36