※ 引述《SmileFace (@ Ann Arbor)》之铭言： : 我认为你在为这些大学生不负责任找理由 : （对不起，话说得重了一些） : 如果这些美国学生真懂得如何说No.. : 不是找一些莫名其妙的理由搪塞 : 想拒绝就直接说，这不是我感兴趣的 : 而不是三不五时给你出个状况 : （这种行为比较像台湾学生肚烂人的作法） : 我这个人的原则是 : 绝对不assign给别人片段的工作 : 今天要给他们的工作 : 并没有什麽technical sensitive的层面 : 虽然简单，却也是project里面独立的一小部分 : 除了将来的journal 挂名外 : 老板也可以写得出很具体的推荐信 : 对於想申请medical school的这些大学生 : 我实在看不出有什麽不值得好好努力的地方 : （这些话我也在一开始就跟他们说了） : 另外，我在台湾跟美国都待过 : wonderful party 在晚上 : 跟我在daytime 要他们帮忙整理资料有什麽关系？ : （而且这些事情整个流程run 完也不要他们两小时） : 更何况这些学生一直跟我说要我找点事情给他们做 : 就算是跑腿也好 Hi, maybe you are right. I would just share what I have seen in my place. I personally have never cared such things, and even no body cared this problem in my lab. Nobody argued or complained such things. I have even seen senior research fellows (or you may called them post-doctors) doing experimental work by themselves, although they did supervisor students. There are always good students and not good students everywhere. So what? They are paying tutition fee to study; not like contractors that you can always ask the results. Yes, if they work hard and achieve something, this would appear on their CV or recommendation. However, somebody cares this and some doesn't; or might be they have another much more important thing to do. Whatever reasons they can give, I would say "that's ok, see you later, have fun", with smile face. Sometimes, I did really envy them, who have a party to waste their young and bright lives but rather in a cool and quiet laboratory. The other excuses might be shopping, taking care of kids, staying with boy/girl, see parents, etc. I never suspected those excuses were real or not. Just a little suggestions (if you don't agree me, just forget lines below): 1. Whatever PhD or not PhD, undergraduates or postgraduates, they are people. 2. Believe people, if they obviously are not harmful to you. They say party tonight, isn't that reasonable to have an afternoon to prepare for their interested or beloved girls/boys? Have you seen 'Back to the Future'? The girl might be his wife in the future. Quite nice, isn't it. 3. Do not assume students should be whatever good or as good as you (I know Taiwanese usually do so, but I don't like this). You provides the opportunities of learning; to learn to what extent is up to the students. 4. Do not always think something is 'good for you', THEREFORE, 'you got to do it'. This is not a sort of democracy or proper education. Again, I know lot of Taiwanese doing this, and I just don't like this since I was a kid. 5. Similarly, you think 'F=ma' is really very important and everybody must be able to answer that in a second even when waken up in their dream. How can you know if some of them are thinking 'E=MC^2' when they are not listening to you in your lectures or lab works? It doesn't have to be 'E=MC^2', even a new idea can make them success in their life. I know Mr Gates is much richer than Dr Me, and he sponsors a lot of research work. How about you? contribute more? I hope so. Above all, same words again. Always see the bright side and do your own job. The way to a PhD is really hard, like climbing a mountain. I don't know how I could survive, if I did not have the patience and the good mood... Don't complain and good luck. --

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