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※ [本文转录自 NBA 看板] 作者: ICRO (圣文大色胚) 看板: NBA 标题: [转录][情报] 心灵接触 - 卡尔给球员更多的机会 时间: Wed Apr 22 09:21:58 2009 ※ [本文转录自 Nuggets 看板] 作者: lance7 (loving you) 看板: Nuggets 标题: [外电] 心灵接触 - 卡尔给球员更多的机会 时间: Tue Apr 21 23:42:41 2009 http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_12187542 Meeting of the minds Karl giving his players more opportunities to call the shots By Anthony Cotton The Denver Post Entering their opening-round playoff series against the New Orleans Hornets, one of the Nuggets' biggest issues was how to defend one of the Hornets' bread- and-butter plays, the pick-and-roll. Try to trap all-world guard Chris Paul and Denver ran the risk of leaving another all-star, forward David West, open for easy jumpers. Gravitate toward West and Paul could not only hit his shots, but also penetrate to the basket and draw other defenders, leaving the likes of Peja Stojakovic open for 3-point attempts. 面对黄蜂队,金块要挑战最大的问题就是,如何防守黄蜂的pick-and-roll 超强後卫Paul在面对金块所设下的陷阱时 可以做出许多反应 1.丢给因为陷阱而放空的West 进行跳投 2.丢给外线射手如 Peja射三分 In his mind, Nuggets coach George Karl knew how he wanted to attack the sizable problem, but when he talked with his players, the coach discovered they wanted to try a different approach. 卡尔认为进攻是一个大问题 但是当他与球员谈过後 卡尔发现球员们希望加强的是防守 Guess who won out. 谁的看法会被采用呢? Actually, it was the players. To be sure, given the adjustments that will constantly be made during the course of the best-of-seven series, the odds are pretty good that at some point Denver will try several plans, including Karl's. 事实上 是球员的看法 在系列赛中进行调整是一个常态 这些看法上的差异是好的 金块会尝试多个计画 当然也包括卡尔的 However, in looking for the reasons the Nuggets are where they are today — the No. 2 seed in the Western Conference with a 1-0 series lead — one would be remiss in overlooking the importance and long-term impact of Karl's decision. 然而 金块身为西区第二种子 同时以1-0领先 卡尔的决定会带来很大的影响 "George has come a long way, man," forward Kenyon Martin said. "It's all part of growing as a team, part of the coach-player relationship. It's been going on all year. He's learning more about us, we're learning more about him, he's given us a lot more freedom and leeway." K-mart说 关於球队成长 还有球员教练间的关系 卡尔想了很多(是因为问题球员太多吗XD) 我们与卡尔之间彼此都学到很多 他给了我们更多的自由和空间 There are certainly many ways to win a championship. On Monday, Hornets swingman James Posey talked about winning a ring in Boston last season, with a coach, Doc Rivers, who was comfortable with a somewhat minimalist approach. Posey在星期一对卫冕队赛尔提克的教练Doc Rivers的极简带兵方式发表看法 "There were times when he would just let us work through stuff out there; he allowed us to figure out what we needed to do to get the job done," Posey said. "Sometimes, during a timeout, he'd just let us talk amongst ourselves. Then he'd come over and say, 'You guys know what you're doing?' and we'd go back out on the court and play." 他让我们了解 为了完成目标 我们需要做的是什麽 有时候在暂停的时候 他会让我们对自己说话 然後他会说 "你们了解你们应该要做些什麽了吗?" 然後让我们回到场上 That approach differed tremendously from that of the man on the bench for Posey's other NBA title, won with Pat Riley and the Miami Heat. Very little happened without Riley's coaching fingerprints all over it. 这个做法与Posey所待过的另一个冠军队 - 热火的教练Pat Riley不同 "No, with Riles, it was pretty much, 'This is how we're going to do it,' " said New Orleans coach Byron Scott, who played for Riley while with the Los Angeles Lakers. 黄蜂教练Byron Scott说 Riley那种作法太超过了 我们所要尝试的是像Rivers类似的方式 Part of the change, Scott said, could be the difference in today's NBA, where star players often expect to be consulted about personnel moves, as opposed to how it was some 20 years ago. Sometimes coaches get wiser, or at least aren't as quick in insisting there's only one way to do things. Scott说 有些改变正在现在的NBA中发生 明星球员可能会有自己的想法 这在过去是不会发生的 教练应该要更理智 或至少坚持什麽是应该要做的 Karl admits to having more patience this season, and that player decisions that might have sent him into a tizzy as recently as last season aren't necessarily drawing the same immediate reaction. 卡尔承认这季他有耐心许多 以往一些球员的决定 会让他不爽 这赛季他不会像以前一样采取立即的反应 "I have a confidence now that if the team wants to do something, then you can demand them to do it more, and stronger and tougher, whereas if you fight 'em, there's hypocrisy and scrutiny and criticism," Karl said. 卡尔说 我相信 如果队伍想要做什麽事 你应该要用强烈和强悍的方式去要求他们完成 当你否定他们 队伍内只会充满虚伪,审视和批评 "It's like J.R. (Smith), if I was 10 years younger, I'd have pulled J.R. 15 different times this year. But of those 15 times, I'd bet there were 10 where he got hot for us just after I would have pulled him. But being older, it's like, 'I'll give him one more possession.' " 就像JR 如果我年轻个10岁 我今年可能会把他换下来15次 但在这15次里面 他可能会在其中的10场中发飙 在老了以後 我会给他更多的机会去尝试 Smith threw up two ill-advised shots early in the game Sunday night, but Karl stuck with him and Smith got hot in the second half. JR在礼拜天晚上投了两个很扯的外线 但在卡尔钉了他以後 JR开始发烫 "He was crazy out there for a while, but then he had that spurt that changed a close game into one that was over," Karl said. 卡尔说 有时候他非常的疯狂0.0 但是接着他会为了改变比赛局势而冲刺 Before the start of the series, Karl insisted that whatever happened against the Hornets, this season was a success, one worthy of celebration, because the Nuggets got back to playing the game the right way, as opposed to the helter-skelter style of the past few seasons that ended with first-round playoff defeats. 在这个系列赛开始前 不管对黄蜂的比赛打的如何 我们有一个成功的例行赛 另一个值得庆祝的事 因为金块正避免走向前几季第一轮放暑假的往事 And when you're talking about this year's Nuggets, and the differences from last season, you're talking about the addition of Chauncey Billups. 我们在讨论今年的金块时 当然会谈到Chauncey Billups这个人 Sometimes, Karl said, Billups will fall in line with what he's thinking, sometimes he'll go the other way. But in either case, the odds are pretty good a compromise will be reached. 卡尔说 有时候Billups会有不同的作法 但这些冲突最後都会妥协 "A lot of coaches, they're like, 'Hell no, we're doing it my way or else you just won't play.' George hasn't been like that at all," Billups said. "But the other thing is, if we go to him and say, 'We want to play this a certain way,' then we better make sure we do it. It's accountability; if we don't do it right, then he can hold our feet to the fire. Billups表示 很多教练会说 "我们要照着我的想法做 否则你就不用上场" 卡尔不会这样 当我们跟他说 我们想要这样做 我们最好要确定我们可以做到 这是责任 当我们做不到 他会把我们换下来 "George is one of the best coaches I've had at that, at trusting the players. If we want to do something, he'll say go ahead and try it." 在相信球员这方面 卡尔是最佳教练之一 当我们想要做某些事 他会让我们尽量的尝试 这就是卡尔 -- 恭喜枪西在COY得到第五名 --



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2F:推 antiall:枪西在COY得到第五名? XD 十年後有可能! 04/21 23:57
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5F:推 Slowbone:最後一句话我看了大笑 没错~枪西得到第五名!!! 04/22 00:56
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17F:→ gbpacker:连教练都输了...... 04/22 11:22
18F:推 baitlunas:真的该打一场没教练的比赛...我们胜算会增加...反正CP3 04/22 11:40
19F:→ baitlunas:也曾经在板凳上当教练XD 04/22 11:40
20F:推 CW4:说实话 Karl只要在顺景的时候都能把比较刁的球员带的不错 04/22 14:12
21F:→ gbpacker:我想了一下,终於发现Scott在这里面的谈话有问题 04/22 16:52
22F:→ gbpacker:他批评:Riley太夸张,每个play都要自己操控,但是 04/22 16:52
23F:→ gbpacker:第1.Riley的战术素养深厚,playbook厚的跟电话簿一样 04/22 16:53
24F:→ gbpacker:第2.Riley给了年轻球员清楚的指示,照着他的方法打 04/22 16:54
25F:→ gbpacker:你一定会有上场时间,也因此相信大家可以发现 04/22 16:54
26F:→ gbpacker:Riley虽然不爱用年轻球员,但是一些龙套球员在他手上打出 04/22 16:55
27F:→ gbpacker:来的可不少,而且总和1.2点也在实战中证明他是可以赢球的 04/22 16:55
28F:→ gbpacker:而这到了Wade加盟热火以後有了一些改变 04/22 16:56
29F:→ gbpacker:Karl的情形在正文中说了,不再提 04/22 16:56
30F:→ gbpacker:那Scott呢? 教练 你的问题可严重了 04/22 16:57
31F:→ gbpacker:你虽然号称让球员自由发挥 单真正的自由发挥的只是明星 04/22 16:57
32F:→ gbpacker:和主将 像CP3以及West 其他球员其他人只要一犯错就等 04/22 16:59
33F:→ gbpacker:着被冰 这样其实没什麽不可 只要你能赢球就没关系 04/22 16:59
34F:→ gbpacker:偏偏你又赢不了球 Scott真正的问题在於他把两家的缺点 04/22 17:00
35F:→ gbpacker:全部都吸收近来了 却没学到任何优点 04/22 17:00
36F:→ gbpacker:Riley的缺点:不容许年轻球员失误 04/22 17:01
37F:→ gbpacker:Karl:有时过度放纵 但问题是Riley可以指点球员生路 04/22 17:01
38F:→ gbpacker:而Karl是完全放手让球员去找生路 Scott你是既不指点 04/22 17:02
39F:→ gbpacker:Wright等人生路,也不放手让他们去找生路 04/22 17:02
40F:→ gbpacker:你这样要Wright和Armstrong他们怎麽玩? 04/22 17:04
41F:推 baitlunas:JR:yoyo明年黄蜂又有自由球员,有没有兴趣来金块XD 04/22 17:42
42F:→ baitlunas:我查了一下好像JuJuArmEly明年都会变自由球员,反正 04/22 17:42
43F:→ baitlunas:Scott就是让球队烂在那边也不让他们打,说实在清出薪资 04/22 17:43
44F:→ baitlunas:等有那只大鱼跟Posey一样自投罗网吧!JuJu待在这只会让 04/22 17:45
45F:→ baitlunas:我期待落空而已 04/22 17:45
46F:→ baitlunas:Scott说什麽替补每场上个五六分钟就该拼命去打,请问你 04/22 17:46
47F:→ baitlunas:把他们放不该放的位置他们是打个鬼,AD是攻击型控卫,他 04/22 17:46
48F:→ baitlunas:来黄蜂不久後发现替补除了他得分能力早烂掉了,那你又坚 04/22 17:47
49F:→ baitlunas:持把他节奏放慢拼防守,以他的年纪防守跟的上那种快速控 04/22 17:48
50F:→ baitlunas:卫才怪,Peja的例子让我最心寒,虽然说这样对不起Peja迷 04/22 17:48
51F:→ baitlunas:但我觉得你把他当定点射手又不给他战术,这样我们外线塞 04/22 17:49
52F:→ baitlunas:五只神米都不够,JuJu在Peja受伤期间简直无所不能,Peja 04/22 17:50
53F:→ baitlunas:一回来还没恢复就把JuJu拉下来,没有能切能传的3号球员 04/22 17:52
54F:→ baitlunas:命中率一不准就等着被宰,偏偏我们赢球常是因为两边都不 04/22 17:52
55F:→ baitlunas:准,Scott还真以为我们是防守球队,跟火箭马刺互守就知 04/22 17:53
56F:→ baitlunas:道差距在哪,我看乾错直接火掉他算了,反正老板也不一定 04/22 17:54
57F:→ baitlunas:要听他的想法呀XD 04/22 17:54
58F:推 CW4:其实新人约期间被冰过头有时候就没办法进步了 Scott一个很大 04/22 18:06
59F:→ CW4:问题是他一直在打击这些年轻人的信心 Bass,JR到别队都表示过 04/22 18:07
60F:→ CW4:在他手下打球很难过 04/22 18:07
61F:推 ya17120:Ju-Ju跟Arm明年还不会变FA啦 !FA确定只有Ely Marks Bowen 04/22 18:40
62F:→ ya17120:咖啡则是不确定 大部分都写一年 但是我印象中有看过两年.. 04/22 18:41
64F:推 CW4:如果Scott坚持下去 我是宁可Juju闹一闹走人说 04/22 18:58
65F:推 ya17120:的确 除非挡Ju-Ju的人不见 不然Scott会让Ju-Ju出头吗 XD 04/22 19:32
66F:→ ya17120:翻开Scott执教生涯 除了K-Mart RJ CP3这三位 其他新人真的 04/22 19:35
67F:推 ya17120:几乎一片凄惨 = = JR Snyder 这两位也只有一季行情 04/22 19:39
68F:→ ya17120:Dickau Nachbar Vroman 都是在64败那年的产物 ... 04/22 19:41
69F:推 moleman126:没错 就是"否定" Scott太过份否定某个球员的某个Play 04/22 21:56
70F:→ moleman126:给我有种太过钻牛角尖的感觉 04/22 21:57







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