作者deathcustom (litron-intl)
看板Patent
标题Re: [问题] 美国案的问题
时间Thu Dec 20 17:38:47 2012
※ 引述《ides13 (鬼)》之铭言:
: 102(f)的重点在於,谁才是发明人。即使他的发明最後被证实为不具新颖性。
: 102(f)与日期无关,重点在於“出处及来源”。
: 只要abc的发明,是原发明人自己想出来的,即便最後被证实abc为已知的,
: 那麽abc也还是abcd的发明人,他们对abcd还是有智能性的贡献,要克服习知参考文献
: ,仅需要一份宣誓书,即足够克服102(f)的拒绝理由。
: MPEP 2317
: “[a] prior art reference that is not a statutory bar may be overcome by two
: generally recognized methods”: an affidavit under 37 CFR 1.131, or an
: affidavit under 37 CFR 1.132 “showing that the relevant disclosure is a
: description of the applicant’s own work.”
: 35 U.S.C. 102(f) “does not require an inquiry into the relative dates of a
: reference and the application”, and therefore may be applicable where
: subsections (a) and (e) are not available for references.
: The party or parties executing an oath or declaration under 37 CFR 1.63 are
: presumed to be the inventors. Driscoll v. Cebalo, 5 USPQ2d 1477, 1481 (Bd.
: Pat. Inter. 1982); In re DeBaun, 687 F.2d 459, 463, 214 USPQ 933, 936 (CCPA
: 1982)
No, I don't agree with you at this issue.
35 USC 102 (f) and its relavent rules are sections to define "who is the
inventor in reality."
If a reference is a description of one party's own work,
said party can submit an affidavit or statement to declare that he is the
real inventor.
If a reference is filed or disclosed later than one party's
conception, said party can submit an affidavit or statement to declare he/she
make that conception earlier.
In the case we discuss,however, the one did'nt make ABCD conception but the
attorney did. In theorem, the one shall not overcome the bar by submitting
documents under 37 CFR 1.131/1.132. In practice, however, it's hard to prove
that the one only make ABC conception.
The way overcoming the prior art by submitting said affidavit is based on the
"Good Faith". That is, if one didn't make the invention, in this case, ABCD as
a whole, himself, he should be resposible for his deception.
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1F:→ deathcustom:我这篇纯就法条的概念,因为实务上要举发几乎不可能 12/20 17:49
2F:→ deathcustom:更别提在prosecution中,你只要提affidavit审委就会信 12/20 17:50
3F:→ deathcustom:但是同样的你要冒风险如果未来attorney窝里反...... 12/20 17:51
4F:推 ides13:小弟认为ABCD中的D虽然是patent attorney提供的建议,但原 12/20 18:11
5F:→ ides13:原发明人还是贡献了ABC,即使原发明人自己承认他们仅有 12/20 18:11
6F:→ ides13:发明ABC,也不会因ABC最後被证实是习知技术,就应该要将 12/20 18:11
7F:→ ides13:原发明人排除於ABCD的发明之外。 12/20 18:11
8F:→ ides13:宣誓书的意义在於,发明人宣誓ABC是自己发明的,不是参考 12/20 18:25
9F:→ ides13:其他文件而发明的。 12/20 18:26
10F:→ deathcustom:nonono, 如果ABC皆为习知且组合为显而易知,无法用aff 12/20 18:28
11F:→ deathcustom:去克服,aff法理上可以克服的态样我有标色 12/20 18:29
12F:→ deathcustom:1. 参考文献其中之一比自己还要晚 2. 参考文献其中之 12/20 18:30
13F:→ deathcustom:一系为发明人之发明......(使之适用102(b)) 12/20 18:30
14F:→ VanDeLord:同意i大在这部份的论点 12/20 18:43
15F:→ VanDeLord:假设ABC符合 Existence of Conception 12/20 18:46
16F:→ VanDeLord:证明true inventor法官自己也说很难,只能证明是mis/non 12/20 18:48
17F:推 madgame:这件事情应该理解成,发明人从代理人处得到建议 12/20 20:20
18F:→ madgame:从而使得发明人完成了ABCD的conception 12/20 20:20
19F:推 madgame:所以仍然属於发明人保有intellectual domination的状态 12/20 20:23
20F:→ deathcustom:对,而要以m大的做法的话,就是回到2138.04的解读 12/20 20:34
21F:→ deathcustom:至於法官怎麽判读,则要找案例来看了orz 12/20 20:35
22F:推 piglauhk:D大 可以用一句说明结论吗...<囧> 俺英文不好 12/22 13:22