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(lovemeteor板友翻译) 1. https://www.patreon.com/posts/january-monthly-147398697 20个中撷取几个Gerald Bourguet有比较不尬聊有点消息的问答 Hooper Fidel on Discord asks: "Are the Suns the new Heat? After having success with lineups featuring current and former 2-way guys (Bouyea, Livers, Gillespie) and 2nd round picks (Oso, Sheer), are we now the franchise that is finding diamonds in the rough? And if so, how are they doing it?" I mean...kinda? It's still a little early for me on Livers, and even Sheer and Oso to some extent, but I do think Fleming and Ighodaro will both pan out in time. And even if they're not "diamonds in the rough," finding capable NBA contributors in the second round of the draft, G League or a heap of undrafted players certainly isn't some easy feat. Finding so many capable players on two-way contracts the last few years has been truly impressive, and for those wondering how Gregory seems to keep hitting on the margins, I keep going back to what he talked about during his introductory press conference last May. While everyone was busy panicking over how he answered questions about his qualifications or how he didn't seem cut out for the job, Gregory detailed a core component of the Suns' infrastructure since last season, which is their amateur evaluation group...and the robust player development system they developed under Gregory's watch. "This past year as the vice president of player programming, I also, in addition to that, was put in charge and oversaw our entire amateur evaluation group, which will then obviously lead to what we do in this year's draft," Gregory said. "In that, one of my other main duties there this past year was working with our young guys, in particular our rookies, in their transition to the NBA and making sure that they were doing the things they needed to get done." Gregory went on to explain that once he had oversight over their amateur evaluation group, they rebuilt it with the help of Matt Tellem, who was in charge on the pro side. They built "complete alignment" between the two evaluation groups, creating databases to help them work more effectively together. With Gregory being promoted to GM, assistant GM Oronde Taliaferro took over the amateur evaluation group. In other words: Gone are the James Jones days of barely having scouts or half-assing the draft. As I reported last March, the size of the Suns basketball ops team has more than tripled in size from the 14 members reported back in 2022, and a source who has more than a decade of experience in the league said Phoenix has "as big and robust a staff as anyone" in the league now. In other words, if you actually do the work, hire the right people and trust them to do their jobs, you stand a much better chance of unearthing some gems with your developmental and scouting programs! Discord 用户 Hooper Fidel 提问: 「太阳队是不是成了新的 Heat?在使用包含现役与前双向合约球员(Bouyea、Livers、Gillespie),以及二轮选秀球员(Oso、Sheer)的阵容取得成功之後,我们是不是正在成为那种能从边角料中挖到宝石的球队?如果是的话,他们是怎麽做到的?」 Answer:我的意思是……某种程度上算是吧?对 Livers 我还是觉得有点太早下定论,而 Sheer 和 Oso 在某种程度上也是,但我确实认为 Fleming 和 Ighodaro 最终都会有所成就。即便他们未必真的是「被埋没的钻石」,能在二轮选秀、G League 或一大票落选球员中,找到能在 NBA 立足的轮换贡献者,本来就不是件容易的事。 过去几年,太阳队在双向合约上找到这麽多可用球员,真的非常令人印象深刻。至於为什麽 Gregory 总能在边缘市场命中,我一直会回想到他去年五月上任记者会时提到的一件事。 当时,大家都忙着恐慌他对於自身资历的回答,或觉得他看起来不适合这份工作时,Gregory 其实详细说明了太阳队自上季以来的一个核心基础——业余球员评估团队(amateur evaluation group),以及在他主导下建立起来的完整球员养成系统。 「在过去这一年,作为球员培育副总裁(vice president of player programming),除了这个职务之外,我也被赋予全面负责并监督我们整个业余球员评估团队的责任,这自然会直接影响我们在今年选秀中的决策,」 Gregory 说道。「此外,我过去一年另一个主要工作,就是与年轻球员,特别是新秀,合作,协助他们顺利过渡到 NBA,并确保他们完成该完成的事情。」 Gregory 接着说明,当他开始全面掌管业余评估团队後,他与负责职业球员评估的 Matt Tellem 一起重建了这个系统。他们让两个评估团队达成「完全对齐」,并建立资料库,让双方能更有效率地协作。随着 Gregory 升任 GM,副总经理 Oronde Taliaferro 接手了业余评估团队。 换句话说:James Jones 时代那种几乎没有球探、选秀随便应付的日子已经过去了。正如我去年三月所报导的,太阳队篮球营运部门的人数,已经从 2022 年报导的 14 人,成长到现在的 三倍以上;而一位在联盟有超过十年经验的消息人士也表示,Phoenix 现在拥有「和联盟任何球队一样庞大且完整的团队」。 总而言之,如果你真的愿意下功夫、聘请对的人,并信任他们把工作做好,那麽透过球员养成与球探体系挖掘出几颗宝石的机率,自然会大大提高。 Gregg Collett on Patreon asks: "Trade related… if the Suns were to flip Jalen Green at/before the deadline, what do you think we could get & from who?" This one I did want to answer, in a roundabout sort of way. I've already reported on this, but a Suns source informed Suns After Dark that in addition to Devin Booker being off limits, it is highly, highly unlikely that Jalen Green or Dillon Brooks will be going anywhere at this year's deadline. And that was before owner Mat Ishbia came out himself and squashed those ridiculous Dillon Brooks-to-the-Lakers rumors. Now, things can obviously change depending on who becomes available, what offers are on the table, etc., but the Suns absolutely love Brooks and what he's provided for their team on and off the court. Go back to those offseason pressers from Mat Ishbia, Brian Gregory and Jordan Ott, and the characteristics they described fit Dillon Brooks to a tee. As for Green, he's still only 23, the Suns have been high on his growth potential and his fit next to Book, and they want him to get healthy first so they can see what they've got. So as much as some Suns fans are already concerned Jalen Green is just Bradley Beal 2.0...patience. This guy is much younger than Beal, doesn't have the extensive injury history of Beal, and played 82 games in back-to-back seasons before this one. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate, ill-timed blip on Green's tenure in the Valley. Patreon 用户 Gregg Collett 提问: 「交易相关的问题……如果太阳队在交易截止日前(或当天)把 Jalen Green 拿去换,你觉得能从谁那里换到什麽?」 Answer:这题我其实是想回答的,只是会用比较迂回的方式。这点我之前已经报导过了,但一名太阳队消息人士曾向 Suns After Dark 透露,除了 Devin Booker 绝对是非卖品之外,Jalen Green 和 Dillon Brooks 在今年的交易截止日前『极度、极度不可能』被送走。 而且这还是在老板 Mat Ishbia 亲自出面,直接辟谣那些荒谬的「Dillon Brooks 会被交易到 Lakers」传闻之前。 当然,事情仍可能随着市场上出现什麽人选、桌上摆了哪些报价而有所改变,但太阳队真的非常喜欢 Brooks,无论是他在场上还是场下带来的影响。回头看看休赛季 Mat Ishbia、Brian Gregory 和 Jordan Ott 的那些记者会,他们所描述的球队特质,几乎完全就是在形容 Dillon Brooks。 至於 Green,他现在也才 23 岁,太阳队一直很看好他的成长潜力,以及他与 Book 搭档後场的适配性,而且球队希望他先恢复健康,好真正看清自己手中握的是什麽样的球员。 所以,尽管有些太阳迷已经开始担心 Jalen Green 只是 Bradley Beal 2.0……请多给一点耐心吧。这名球员比 Beal 年轻得多,没有 Beal 那样冗长的伤病史,而且在本季之前,他曾连续两季 82 场全勤出赛。希望这只是 Green 在 Valley 生涯中,一次不幸、时机又很糟的短暂插曲。 Diello on Discord asks: "Do you think the Suns will be buyers, sellers or stand pat? What do you think they should do?" I think they make a move of some sort. At the very least, it doesn't feel like Nick Richards is long for Phoenix, as a source told Suns After Dark that multiple teams have registered interest in the backup big who is currently out of Ott's rotation. Ochai Agbaji and a weak second-round pick wasn't enough value for Phoenix to pull the trigger yet, but there's a good chance something materializes in the coming weeks. After that, I don't think they'll be buyers or sellers. I think they'll look to tweak and upgrade the roster where they can, but without draft capital, they can't go big-game hunting like we've seen in years past (and that's the advisable path right now anyway). Grayson Allen has also been good this season, and Royce O'Neale is posting career-best numbers, so there's a possibility that Phoenix values their vets and keeps them if the right offers don't come pouring in. O'Neale feels more likely to be dealt, given his salary is more easily movable, his individual numbers are nice enough to intrigue some contender, and the fact that he's more expendable. After all, the Suns have been a whopping 10.4 points per 100 possessions better when he's off the court than when he's on it. I think relatively standing pat is the way to go here. The Suns shouldn't be rushing this process, as they're well ahead of where most people expected them to be. They also shouldn't be complacent, and should see what offers are out there. But more than likely, the Suns will move Richards for a fringe rotation player and some second-round pick draft capital, maybe make an O'Neale and/or Allen trade, and that'll be it. Discord 用户 Diello 提问: 「你觉得太阳队会成为买家、卖家,还是按兵不动?你认为他们应该怎麽做?」 我认为他们一定会做某种程度的动作。至少目前看起来,Nick Richards 很可能不会长久留在 Phoenix——一名消息人士向 Suns After Dark 透露,已经有多支球队对这名目前被 Ott 移出轮换的替补中锋表达兴趣。先前用 Ochai Agbaji 加上一个价值不高的二轮签,还不足以让 Phoenix 点头,但接下来几周内,很有机会出现更实质的进展。 在那之後,我不认为他们会成为典型的买家或卖家。我觉得太阳队会在能力范围内微调并升级阵容,但在缺乏选秀资产的情况下,他们也不可能像过去几年那样进行「猎大咖」式的交易(而且就现阶段来看,那其实也是比较明智的路线)。Grayson Allen 本季表现不错,而 Royce O'Neale 则缴出生涯最佳数据,因此如果市场上没有出现真正合适的报价,Phoenix 也可能选择留下这些老将。 相较之下,O'Neale 感觉是更有可能被交易的人选,因为他的薪资更容易配平、个人数据够亮眼,能吸引一些争冠球队,而且他的可替代性也比较高。毕竟,当他不在场上时,太阳队每 100 回合净胜对手 10.4 分,反而比他在场时更好。 整体来说,我认为相对按兵不动才是正确方向。太阳队不该急着推进这个过程,因为他们目前的进度已经远超多数人的预期;但他们也不该自满,仍然应该观察市场上有哪些可能性。最有可能的情境是:太阳队送走 Richards,换回一名轮换边缘球员与一些二轮选秀权资产,或许再处理一笔 O'Neale 和/或 Allen 的交易,然後就差不多收工了。 FREE AGENCY QUESTIONS Bobby on Patreon asks: "Assuming CG keeps up his play after moving to the bench when Jalen Green comes back and I don’t see why not, do you think there’s a chance we could keep him on the team, or will his value be too high for us to realistically keep him? Also, what do you think that contract will look like?" Answered this one a bit on our New Year's resolutions piece already, but to reiterate: Because the Suns have Gillespie's early Bird rights, he's eligible to re-sign with Phoenix for up to four years and $67 million. I'd be surprised if he got that full amount unless he totally cements himself as an undisputed starter and the Suns make some noise in the playoffs, but I'm not ruling it out either! More than likely, I'd guess it's something in the 3-4 year range, around $8 million to $12 million annually. Again, we still need to see how the season plays out, because one hot streak or injury can obviously change everything. But as of right now, that's where I'd put his value. It's also contingent on what the rest of the market looks like. Gillespie is an unrestricted free agent, so if some team comes swooping in with a big-time offer that Phoenix is unwilling to match, maybe they lose him. But Gillespie has iterated and reiterated that he loves Phoenix and wants to stay there. Given how well he's played for the Suns, it'd be shocking if these two sides don't get a new deal done quickly in the offseason. He's boosted his value for sure, but the Suns still seem like they're in the driver's seat in terms of re-signing him this summer. Patreon 用户 Bobby 提问: 「假设 CG 在 Jalen Green 回归、自己转到替补之後仍能维持现在的表现(我看不出为什麽不行),你觉得太阳有机会把他留下来吗?还是他的市场价值会高到我们根本留不住?另外,你觉得他的合约大概会长怎样?」 Answer:我在新年新希望那篇已经稍微回答过这题了,但再重申一次:因为太阳握有 Gillespie 的 early Bird rights,他可以和 Phoenix 重新签下一份最长 4 年、总值最高 6,700 万美元的合约。除非他真的完全坐稳「无可争议的先发」,而且太阳在季後赛打出一波声势,否则我会对他拿到满额感到意外——但我也不会完全排除这个可能性。 比较合理的预期,大概会是3 到 4 年、年薪约 800 万到 1,200 万美元的区间。当然,还是得看整个赛季怎麽发展,因为一段火烫的表现或一个伤病,随时都可能改变一切。不过就目前来看,这大概就是他现在的市场价值。 另外,这也取决於整体自由市场的状况。Gillespie 是完全自由球员,如果有球队突然丢出一份 Phoenix 不愿意跟进的大约,那太阳确实有可能留不住他。但 Gillespie 已经一再强调他很喜欢 Phoenix,也想留在这里。以他为太阳打出的表现来看,如果双方在休赛季没能很快谈成一份新合约,那才真的会让人震惊。 他的身价确实被大幅拉高了,但就今年夏天的续约主导权而言,太阳看起来仍然坐在驾驶座上。 Tristan on Patreon asks: "Jake Fischer reported last week that some teams are expecting Gillespie to command a contract similar to Ty Jerome (3Y for $27M) this coming offseason. If that's the case and we also want to re-sign Williams, who should also be commanding a decent contract if he keeps up -- the cap space is getting tight. I could see MW getting something close to Luke Kornet, Daniel Gafford, and Wendell Carter Jr., who are all between 10-13M a year. Even if you assume Nick Richards is gone, it almost seems inevitable we'll need to either flirt with the 1st/2nd apron again or be offloading one of Royce or Grayson at the trade deadline for more expiring contracts to make room for re-signing CG and MW. Am I reading this situation right or did I miss something here?" Another one we touched on with our New Year's resolutions! But just to answer your question here: As it stands, the Suns are projected to have about $153.6 million on the books for next season between Booker, Green, Brooks, Allen, O'Neale, Maluach, Dunn and Fleming. Assuming they keep Ighodaro's non-guaranteed deal, that figure increases to $155.9 million. Unfortunately, the dead money owed to Bradley Beal ($19.4 million), Nassir Little ($3.1 million) and EJ Liddell ($706,898) spikes that number to $179.1 million. The Suns will be able to go over the projected $166 million salary cap when re-signing their own players, but they'd only have about $31.6 million before the projected first tax apron and $44 million before the projected second apron. Phoenix's ample wiggle room shrivels up pretty quickly thanks to that dead money! However, assuming Gillespie signs for something like $10 million annually, they'd still have about $21.6 million in space underneath that first apron for Williams' new contract. Williams is a restricted free agent, which gives Phoenix leverage in negotiations, but one complication to consider is the Suns would still have several roster spots to fill. For example, re-signing Jordan Goodwin, with as well as he's playing, just might not be doable if Phoenix hones in on Gillespie and Williams first (as they should). In order to keep future picks unfrozen and maintain trade flexibility, the Suns need to avoid the second tax apron as many times as they possibly can for the foreseeable future -- or at least until they're a legitimate contender again. But even though things can drastically change between now and the summer, it should be a top offseason priority for Phoenix to re-sign both Gillespie and Williams to fair extensions that don't break the bank or push the Suns back into the tax aprons. How they navigate that limited wiggle room will be crucial. Patreon 用户 Tristan 提问: 「Jake Fischer 上周报导,有些球队预期 Gillespie 在今年休赛季可能会拿到一份类似 Ty Jerome(3 年 2,700 万美元) 的合约。如果真是这样,而我们又想续留 Williams(如果他继续这样打,显然也会要求一份不错的合约),那薪资空间就会变得非常吃紧。我可以想像 MW 会拿到接近 Luke Kornet、Daniel Gafford、Wendell Carter Jr. 那种水准的合约,年薪大概都在 1,000–1,300 万美元之间。 即便假设 Nick Richards 会离队,看起来几乎不可避免,我们要嘛又得去踩第一/第二层豪华税线,要嘛就得在交易截止日前处理掉 Royce 或 Grayson 其中一人,换回更多到期合约,才能替续约 CG 和 MW 腾出空间。是我理解正确,还是我漏掉了什麽?」 Answer:这题我们其实也在「新年新希望」那篇文章里稍微提过,不过这里直接回答你的问题: 以目前状况来看,太阳下季在 Booker、Green、Brooks、Allen、O'Neale、Maluach、Dunn 和 Fleming 身上的合约,帐面薪资大约是 1 亿 5,360 万美元。如果他们选择保留 Ighodaro 那份非保障合约,这个数字会上升到 1 亿 5,590 万美元。 还有必须支付的死薪资:Bradley Beal(1,940 万)、Nassir Little(310 万) 和 EJ Liddell(706,898),这会让总额直接飙升到 1 亿 7,910 万美元。 太阳在续签自家球员时,可以超过预估的 1 亿 6,600 万美元薪资上限,但在第一层豪华税线之前,他们大概只剩 3,160 万美元的空间;在第二层豪华税线之前,则约为 4,400 万美元。由於这些死薪资的存在,Phoenix 原本还算充裕的操作空间,很快就被压缩殆尽。 不过,如果假设 Gillespie 年薪约 1,000 万美元,那在第一层豪华税线之下,太阳仍然还有大约 2,160 万美元可以用来谈 Williams 的新合约。 Williams 是受限自由球员(RFA),这让 Phoenix 在谈判中握有一定优势,但还有一个现实问题:太阳到时候仍有多个名额需要补齐。举例来说,Jordan Goodwin 以目前的表现来看,如果太阳把优先顺序放在 Gillespie 和 Williams 身上(而且他们确实应该这麽做),那麽续留 Goodwin 可能就不太现实了。 为了避免未来选秀权被冻结、并维持交易弹性,太阳在可预见的未来,必须尽可能避免踩到第二层豪华税线——至少要等到他们再次成为真正的争冠球队为止。当然,从现在到夏天之间,变数仍然很多,但对 Phoenix 而言,在不爆表、不重新掉进豪华税深渊的前提下,为 Gillespie 和 Williams 谈成合理的续约,应该会是休赛季的最优先目标之一。 他们要如何在有限的操作空间中完成这件事,将会是关键中的关键。 Kai FZ on Discord asks: "Any thoughts on Goodwin, Bouyea and Livers' contract situations? I'm thinking in particular about Goody's deal becoming guaranteed on Jan. 10, and the fact that two-way players can't play in the playoffs." It's still early, but as we wrote on Monday, a source confirmed to Suns After Dark that the Suns will fully guarantee Jordan Goodwin's contract before the Jan. 10 deadline. Cutting him just to save some measly space under the luxury tax would've been asinine, and it would've run counter to the way Mat Ishbia has operated as an owner. He wasn't going anywhere, and that was before he proceeded to hit a career-high eight 3-pointers against the best team in the NBA on Sunday. Goodwin has brought his usual tenacity on the defensive end and offensive glass, but he's also provided an unexpected scoring (and even 3-point shooting!) punch off the bench. As long as the Suns don't reach into tax apron territory, they're fine, and guaranteeing Goodwin's contract won't do that anyway. As for Jamaree Bouyea and Isaiah Livers, hopefully our latest Suns After Dark Film Session made this clear, but Bouyea looks like a legitimate NBA rotation player who deserves a full-length contract! As you noted, two-way players are not eligible to suit up in the postseason, so if Phoenix is still within striking distance when the time comes, he feels like a safe bet to secure their final roster spot. Again, though: It's still early. Livers looked solid when he was healthy, and you never know who might hit the buyout market. Phoenix is in no rush to fill that spot, nor should they be. But as of now, it's hard to see anyone outworking Bouyea for that 15th roster spot. Discord 用户 Kai FZ 提问: 「对於 Goodwin、Bouyea 和 Livers 的合约状况有什麽看法吗?我特别在想 Goody 的合约会在 1 月 10 日转为保障,以及双向合约球员不能打季後赛这件事。」 现在谈还算早,不过就如我们在周一写过的,一名消息人士向 Suns After Dark 证实,太阳队会在 1 月 10 日期限前,将 Jordan Goodwin 的合约完全转为保障。如果只是为了省下那一点点奢侈税空间就裁掉他,那简直是愚蠢至极,也完全违背 Mat Ishbia 一贯的老板作风。在他於周日对上全 NBA 最强球队、投进生涯新高的 8 记三分球之前,他就已经不可能离队了。 Goodwin 一如既往地在防守端与进攻篮板上展现韧性,同时也在替补端提供了出乎意料的得分火力(甚至还包含三分球!)。只要太阳队没有踩进税线上限(tax apron)的区域,一切都没问题,而保障 Goodwin 的合约本来就不会造成这个问题。 至於 Jamaree Bouyea 和 Isaiah Livers,希望我们最新一期的 Suns After Dark Film Session 已经说得很清楚了——Bouyea 看起来就是一名货真价实的 NBA 轮换球员,值得一份正式合约! 正如你提到的,双向合约球员无法在季後赛出赛,所以如果 Phoenix 到时仍保有竞逐机会,他看起来是最有机会拿下最後一个正式名单席位的人选。 不过还是要再说一次:现在还太早。Livers 在健康时的表现也相当稳定,而且你永远不知道谁会进入买断市场。Phoenix 并不急着填补那个名额,也不该急。但就目前来看,很难想像有人能在拚劲与表现上胜过 Bouyea,抢下那个第 15 人名单位置。 2. Gambo: 我现在的预期是他会在 1 月中旬回归,Jalen Green 会在 1 月中旬回来。他们非常、非常小心地避免让他再次受伤。 他们非常小心地花费额外的时间,只为了确保他没事。在这里他必须达到 100% 的康复,这不是那种恢复到 85%、90% 或 95% 就可以回归的事。 他们不想带他回来後,又让他承担再次受伤的风险,这是他们承担不起的。所以这是一次非常棘手的腿後腱(hamstring)伤势。 他们原本很希望他能在 1 月初上场。所以我认为时间表大约变动了 10 天左右,大概 7 到 10 天。因此我现在的预期是 1 月中旬,你会看到 Jalen Green 上场。 所以你看他接下来的赛程,有人问我:你觉得他会在接下来对阵尼克队的比赛上场吗?我会说对尼克那场可能不会。但我觉得到了下周,你可以开始挑选下周的其中一场比赛并说:好,他会在那场比赛复出。 我不预期他能在尼克那场比赛上场。他们接着要开始客场之旅,那是一个六场比赛的东岸客场之旅,对吧?从 1 月 13 日周二开始。这在技术上我猜算是在 1 月中旬。这包括了迈阿密、底特律、纽约、布鲁克林、费城、亚特兰大 根据我听到的消息,可以保险地说,在那段行程中的某个时间点,你会看到 Jalen Green 回归。我不认为会拖到 25 号,因为那还得再等三周,那是太阳主场对迈阿密的比赛。 我相信会在客场之旅的某个地方他会回来。我没有确切日期。我听到的只是 1 月中旬左右,再强调一次,本来可能可以让他早点回来,但只是为了确保他康复程度尽可能接近 100%,且不会再次弄伤腿後腱。 我没有确切日期,所以别拿这个来要求我,但我认为你大约可以看向 19 号周一对布鲁克林那场,大概在那附近。也可能稍微早一点,大约在 1 月 15、17、19 号左右。所以底特律、纽约、布鲁克林,在那个区间,我预期你会看到 Jalen Green 回归。 如果你让他回来,假设你在 15 号对阵底特律时让他复出——这只是我的推测——但在我心中,绝对会是这三场比赛的其中之一。假设他在 1 月 15 日回归,这让你在交易截止日前还有 1、2、3... 11 场比赛可以观察,来判断:好,我还需要什麽?我想要什麽?我要做任何变动吗? 我认为太阳队会非常有耐心。我不认为他们会做什麽大动作。但在这 11 场比赛中,你可能会说:好吧,我们是否能再找一个角色球员来这里或那里帮忙?让 Jalen Green 打这几场,能给太阳一个很好的判断基准。 ----- Sent from JPTT on my iPhone -- ▃▃ ▅▅▅▅ ▄▄ ▇▇ ▄▄ ██   ▅▅ ▃▉ █▅ ▄▄ ▄▄ ▄▄▄ █▆ █▄ ▄▄▌█▊██▌ 04-05╴╴ ╴╴▄▄ █▅ █▄▌▄▄◤ █ - ╯05-06 ◤◥▄▄▄ ▄▄▄▄▄ - --



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1F:推 wugui : 推推 好赢预计今天转全额保障 01/08 08:09
2F:推 Fafnir316 : 三重欧不上会比较好吗?感觉他满重要的欸 01/08 08:44
3F:→ Fafnir316 : Mark一千初就能续? 01/08 08:45
4F:推 wrb : 数据是这样,体感不是,但随着很多人打出来,的确 01/08 09:00
5F:→ wrb : 就有卖的本钱 01/08 09:00
6F:推 wugui : 马威两千万 鸡皮一千万左右 看可以拿到些友情价节税 01/08 09:01
7F:→ wugui : 吗 01/08 09:01
8F:推 YpFeron : MW至少两千万吧! 01/08 09:03
9F:推 s90188 : 2022只有14人团队 有够少 01/08 13:42
10F:推 anilocean : 好赢留不下就卖在高点,捞些实惠。 01/08 14:41
11F:推 wrb : 当初不就$arver废掉Gleague和球探部门,Ishbia做的 01/08 14:55
12F:→ wrb : 最对的就是把这两个部分再建立回来 01/08 14:55
13F:推 lovemeteor : https://www.sportsv.net/articles/95491 01/08 17:40
14F:→ madduxH : 不考虑情感,我觉得书人拿7千万给贵了 01/08 17:58
15F:推 william82111: 书人那个就是顶薪,每只球队的第一人就是占那个%数 01/08 18:12
16F:→ william82111: ,看数字没什麽意义,再过几年可能就会看到八千万 01/08 18:12
17F:→ william82111: 九千万了 01/08 18:12
18F:推 whatjim01 : 书人我觉得今年算对得起薪水了,除了3分莫名铁外, 01/08 18:27
19F:→ whatjim01 : 今年也算是有进化啦 01/08 18:27







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