作者toddchen (陶得得)
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标题[外电] 太阳乳摸：Nash,Dragic,Marshall,D-Will
时间Fri Jun 22 17:21:55 2012
Phoenix Suns Rumors:
Nash, Dragic, Marshall, Williams; Plans A-B-C-D or is that A-D-C-B?
来源：
http://ppt.cc/f5x2
Who knows what's Plan A vs. Plan B vs. Plan C vs. Plan D in the Suns' thinking.
We on the outside have no idea what order the Suns would put these potential
point guards, but you've got to think the Suns have their order already laid
out.
谁知道太阳对於「计画A、B、C、D」的想法。我们外人完全不知道太阳是怎麽排序。但是
你一定会想太阳应该已经有他们的优先顺位了。
In the past 24 hours, the Suns have expressed interest in PG draft prospects
Kendall Marshall and Damian Lillard. They've also been rumored to want free-
agent-to-be Goran Dragic back, if Nash leaves. On top of that, Jared Dudley
(Mr Social Media himself) recently told a reporter that the Suns have a real
shot to keep Steve Nash, and other reporters have listed the Suns as Deron
Williams' third-best free agent option this summer.
在过去24小时的乳摸blablalbla...，在此之上，J-Dudley（社群媒体先生）最新报导指
出，太阳确实出手挽留Nash了。而其他报导则说太阳会是D-Will的第三顺位。
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Wow. So maybe the Suns need to resolve their point guard problem, with Nash
being 39 and a free agent? Whuda thunk it?
哇，所以太阳或许会让39岁的FA，NASH来解决他们的PG问题？谁知道阿？
None of this is a surprise to Suns fans, for sure. None is breaking news.
拿到空气对太阳迷来说一点都不...(误)
如果啥都没有的话，对太阳迷来说一定是个惊喜，啥都没有绝对是个独家新闻。
The question I'm asking today is: in what order do the Suns have these guys on
their secret white board? In any ranking, you have to weigh the likelihood
successful acquisition against your love for the player himself.
我今天所要提出的问题是，在太阳的沙盘中，这些家伙的顺序是如何？不管怎麽排，你都
要去衡量能获得多高成功的可能性，而不只是你对他们的爱。
Hit the jump for links to rumors/quotes on these guys, as well as my
risk/probability analysis that must play into their thinking.
First, let's establish the substance of each rumor.
下面是相关乳摸
Damian Lillard
From John Treloar, Suns' draft boss, to Paul Coro of azcentral.com: The Suns
would love to see Lillard available but he is a likely top-10 pick, especially
with teams willing to trade up to snatch him.
"I saw him a lot and it was impressive. He was the main focus of the other
team's defense and still was the second leading scorer in the country (24.5
points per game). He didn't break out of the offense to get his points. They
came out of the flow of the offense and within the rhythm of his team."
在http://ppt.cc/9IDr报导中，太阳选秀老大John Treloar表示对他有兴趣，但是他应该
是前十顺位，特别是那些透过向上交易的球队都想要抓到他。
他很棒，尽管在对手加强防守之下，仍能在得分榜上名列第2(场均24.5分)。他的得分并不
会破坏掉队伍的攻击感，而是能随着球队的攻击风格和节奏中取得分数。
Kendall Marshall
Visiting for the second time in a week, which shows some heightened level of
interest in him over others in the draft.
From John Treloar, Suns' draft boss, to Paul Coro of azcentral.com: "There are
going to be questions until he goes out there and shows what he can do in the
NBA," Treloar said. "Personally, I think he'll improve in the NBA. He makes
players better."
来了两次，显示太阳对选他有高度的兴趣。
http://ppt.cc/9IDr同上来源，选秀老大说「直到他来到NBA秀出他所能做的，他都还是有
些问题的，但是我个人觉得他能让NBA更棒，他可以做的很好」
Goran Dragic
Sean Deveny of sportingnews.com has always had good dirt on the Suns over the
years, despite the front office changes. So when he mentions Suns' interest,
I'm inclined to believe it's real.
Assuming that is not Houston, a source told Sporting News, Dragic could wind
up in a familiar surrounding anyway-back in Phoenix. Should the Suns lose Nash
in free agency, Phoenix is expected to make a push to re-sign Dragic and give
him the reins in coach Alvin Gentry's offense. That would suit Dragic.
http://ppt.cc/5_th指出，太阳队他有兴趣。
如果火箭队放过他，抓鸡鸡可能就会回到他熟悉的太阳。若是太阳在FA失去了Nash，太阳
就会想要重签回抓鸡鸡。
"I learned a lot in Phoenix, I had a very good time there," he said. "I don't
know what is going to happen, but that is an organization I know, obviously,
and they helped me a lot."
抓鸡鸡说「我在太阳学到很多，在那边有过美好的时光，我并不知道未来会发生什麽，但
是那里是我所熟知的组织，显然的，他们也帮我了很多。」
Steve Nash
Our own Jared Dudley recentlyexpressed optimism to Alex Kennedy of hoopsworld
.com in Steve coming back: "If he wants to go try to win a championship, hey,
more power to him," Dudley said. "If he wants to stay and help this process,
more power to him. I definitely think he'll weigh his options and see what he
can do. Steve wants to compete and he wants to play for an organization that
wants to compete. If he feels that's the Suns or another organization, he'll
definitely decide that, but I definitely think it's 50/50. I think the Suns
have a huge, real shot at bringing him back."
毫无疑问先生（达利），在http://ppt.cc/QEVF的文章对於Nash将会回来一事如此说「如
果他想要赢得一座冠军，嘿，帮他加油；如果他想要留下来并协助我们，请帮他加油。我
毫无疑问的认为他会权衡他的选项并看看他能做些什麽，Steve想要去挑战而且他想要和一
个想要挑战的组织一起打球。如果他觉得太阳或是其他球队是这样的话，他毫无疑问会决
定过去。但是我毫无疑问的认为这应该是50/50的机率，我想太阳已经进行了一个巨大，且
确实的在努力让他回来。」
That's a lot more positive than I remember him talking about Amare two years
ago. Back then, he expressed concern over the Suns need to step up in a big
way. This time, Dudley didn't mention concern over the Suns at all. It's in
Nash's court, as its always been.
这比我印象中他两年前对於Amare一事所说得，还要正面许多。但话说回来，文章他说到
太阳要让Nash回来，需要一个巨大的努力。这次达利并不是完全从太阳队方面去考量，而
是从Nash的角度，而这也是一直以来的。
Deron Williams
And then there's the repeated link to max-contract FA Deron Williams. It's the
flimsiest of them all, but it's still there and it's not going away. Williams
WILL sign a max contract. The question is: with who?
Chris Broussard recently wrote an insider piece for the mothership, detailing
Williams' options. Of course, the Nets (most money, most years) and Dallas
(room for max contract, still have Dirk and Cuban but much else) are the
front-runners. No question they are the leaders in the clubhouse. But is there
another very real option, a dark horse?
要签FA蝶龙(D-will)需要顶约，这是老生重谈的事。这已经是毫无疑问的事，但仍然悬在
半空中，蝶龙将会签个顶约，问题是「要和谁？」
http://ppt.cc/jYOQ报导详细的列出蝶龙的选项，当然篮网队（最多钱、年限最高）、小
牛队（有顶约的空间、而且还有司机和Cuban等等）会是首选。毫无疑问他们领先其他球
队好几个马身。但是除此之外呢？是否还有其他真的有机会的黑马？
That leaves Phoenix. The weather and golf (Williams is a huge golf guy) is
great, the offense is free-flowing (something Williams is definitely looking
for), and with him, the team could be on the rise. While the Suns' first choice
appears to be re-signing Nash, the younger Williams is a better option. I don't
think the Suns could move ahead of Dallas on Williams' list, but they should
not be completely discounted either.
这就是太阳对了，这里天气佳、打高尔夫球又棒（蝶龙是个高球狂），而且这里的进攻风
格又相当自由（这是蝶龙毫无疑问想追求的），此外有了他，这只球队一定会向上提昇。
尽管太阳队的第一选择会是续约Nash，但是一个年轻的蝶龙一定是个很棒的选项。我虽然
不认为太阳在蝶龙的清单中可以爬到小牛队之前，但是他们绝对不能将我们完全剔除。
So there you have the latest rumors on the Suns point guard for 2012.
以上是太阳2012年最新的乳摸。
First, let's rank these guys in order of 2012-13 talent, giving the Suns the
best chance to win lots of games:
Williams
Nash
Dragic
rookie
首先，我们来列出2012-13年最有天份，可以让太阳在12-13球既赢得最多胜：
1.蝶龙 2.Nash 3.抓鸡鸡 4.菜鸟新秀
Next, let's rank these guys in order of longer-term talent, beyond 2012-13:
Williams
Rookie (Lillard/Marshall)
Dragic
Nash
接着，列出在12-13年之後，最能拥有长远天赋的排名
1.蝶龙 2.菜鸟新秀(Lillard/ Marshall) 3.抓鸡鸡 4.Nash
Finally, let's rank them in order of how EASY it will be for the front office
to sign them:
Rookie (Marshall)
Dragic
Nash
Williams
最後，我们列出对於高层，最容易签到的排名：
1.菜鸟新秀(Marshall) 2.抓鸡鸡 3.Nash 4.蝶龙
It will be a complete shock if Williams signs with the Suns.The Suns would
likely have to acquire another all-star level talent first, then talk Williams
into spurning Dallas and NJ for a contender in Phoenix. On a lesser scale, the
Suns still have to improve at least a little in free agency to keep Nash. But
since the front office has shown little creativity to date, that could be
difficult.
如果签到蝶龙，那将完全会是个超级震撼的消息。首先要说太阳会获得个全明星级的球员
，然後我们在说到蝶龙两脚踹开篮网和小牛这两个领先太阳队的竞争者。在现实一点来说
，太阳还是努力在FA中留住Nash吧。但是就我们制服组展现的贫乏创意之下，这可能很困
难。
Signing Dragic to a big free agent contract or drafting a point guard, though,
is a LOT easier. Neither requires a great level of creativity or agressiveness.
That's why I ranked these higher in the "ease" category.
给抓鸡鸡签个大约、或是选个PG，这应该是『简单』非常多。既不需要有非常高的创意、
也不需要什麽攻略的能力。这就是为何我会把他们排到容易签到的名单中较高的位置。
So what will the Suns do? In what order do they have these guys?
The Suns actual ranking of these options likely weighs both talent AND
probability. To do that, the Suns have to decide what's most important. Spend
money to win big in 2012-13? Or re-build the team around a rookie PG?
所以太阳队会怎麽做呢？对於这些家伙他们的顺位怎麽排？
太阳必须好好衡量这些选项的天赋以及签到的可能性。为此，太阳要决定什麽是最重要的
，花钱去在12-13球季赢个大胜利？还是要围绕着PG来重建？
On opening night, you could see a contender step onto the court with Deron
Williams leading the charge, flanked by a SG tandem of rookie/vet shooting
guard, Hill/Dudley, new PF and Gortat.
在太阳开幕夜晚，你可能会见到一个顺利争赢的球队，在蝶龙的率领之下，从休息间跑进
球场，拥护在其後的依序是菜鸟/老将的SG、Hill或达利、新的PF以及锅贴。
Or you could see a rookie lead the charge with new, young faces all over the
court and a 20-win season pre-ordained
或者你会见到的是由菜鸟所领军的全新面孔、青春的肉体，但是在开季前就已经注定着只
有20胜的球季。
But the most likely scenario might just be Nash leading the charge, flanked by
a team of middle-tier "if everything goes right" playoff talent.
但是最有可能的情节是，由Nash所领军，拥护者一整队中等阶级的季後赛天赋球员，冲进
球场。(如果一切都能做对的话)
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1F：推 vlckcy :签回小帅哥! 06/22 18:31
2F：推 wugui :签回小帅哥! 06/22 18:48
3F：推 abcd810112 :胖子别想了 努力签回师徒俩比较实际 06/22 19:07
4F：推 thegod13 :如果能向上交易选秀 才比较可能签Nash+小帅哥吧? 06/22 19:26
5F：→ thegod13 :否则PG有点多 (况且表弟要当替补也不是太差) 06/22 19:26
6F：推 thegod13 :我觉得太阳会选PG 然後签Nash(1)/小帅哥(2)之一 06/22 19:33
7F：→ wugui :我倒觉得会选SG 然後老大或小帅哥配太妃 06/22 19:36
8F：→ wugui :不然就是只选PG 然後其他就随便签几个FA了事 06/22 19:36
9F：推 thegod13 :养小河流吗? 小河流是不是不太适合Nash系统啊? 06/22 19:41
10F：推 kaiDX :我最希望的真的是签回师徒 06/22 19:43
11F：→ kaiDX :小河流在总板的消息 貌似前11顺位大有机会被选走 06/22 19:43
12F：推 wugui :其实最希望选的是M.Kendall 反正来太阳後就可以长 06/22 19:55
13F：→ wugui :投射能力了 虽然这样也代表老大小帅哥就没机会了 06/22 19:55
14F：推 thegod13 :相厮守 06/22 19:56
15F：→ thegod13 :可恶没有插队 Kendall纯PG比较合口味 风险也不高 06/22 19:58
16F：推 thegod13 :喜欢这种聪明的球员 就算得分不高 还是可以帮助 06/22 20:05
18F：推 icenivek :如果留不住Nash那我一定要小帅哥回来!! 06/22 20:17
19F：→ icenivek :如果留得住Nash我还是要小帅哥回来!! 06/22 20:17
20F：推 truegodchild:简单说就是选择太多... 06/22 21:21
21F：→ toddchen :如果选择不够多的话，太阳搞不好屁都没有 06/22 21:44
22F：推 truegodchild:选择多也是有可能变连屁都没有 06/22 22:00
23F：推 Archer002 :小帅哥+1 06/22 22:19
24F：推 AJCole :留下NASH+签回小帅哥+选到小河流 精神在 未来有 SG补 06/22 22:30
25F：推 bemily32 :抓鸡鸡~~~ 06/22 22:49
26F：推 nashill13 :抓鸡鸡回来吧 06/22 22:50
27F：推 GoRockMyLife:Dragic长远天赋输新秀是怎麽回事......????? 06/22 23:06
28F：推 JHNJHNJHN :抓鸡鸡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 06/22 23:07
29F：→ toddchen :正常阿，就跟玩BB时，过22岁的就没潜能成长了 06/22 23:08
30F：推 jasonlin68 :太阳都喜欢比PG丢到德州进修就是? 06/22 23:49
31F：→ jasonlin68 : 把 06/22 23:49
32F：→ toddchen :过个水，会比较厉害阿！ 06/22 23:54
33F：推 pp510 :小帅哥+1 06/23 00:15
34F：推 truegodchild:长远天赋...看看选秀中大四生的待遇... 06/23 02:27
35F：推 theren13 :以球队的角度还是觉得放老大签别人补其他位置最实际 06/23 08:47
36F：→ theren13 :但还是希望有老大在..... 06/23 08:47
37F：推 kaimar :话说太阳完全不考虑Marquis Teague?感觉上较不极端.. 06/25 22:07
38F：→ chadtracy :完全不考虑蝶龙.... 06/25 22:59
39F：→ chadtracy :跟本就跟太阳队形不符 06/25 22:59