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2005 SUNS 2005年的太阳队 Relevant Details: 62 wins, 110.4 points per game, 103.3 points allowed, .477 FG%, .393 3FG%, 2,026 3s attempted, lost in Western finals (San Antonio, six games). 相关数据:62胜,每场平均得分110.4,失分103.3,47.7%投篮命中率,39.3%三分球 命中率,三分球出手次数2,026次,止步於西区冠军赛(血战六场後败给圣安东尼奥)。 Eight-Man Rotation: Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson (47.8% 3FG), Nash (43.1% 3FG), Quentin Richardson (38.9% 3FG), Leandro Barbosa (36.7% 3FG), Jimmy Jackson (45.9% 3FG), Steven Hunter. 八人轮替阵容:阿骂、Matrix、Joe Johnson(三分球命中率47.8%)、飘发哥(三分球命 中率43.1%)、Q-Rich(三分球命中率38.9%)、小巴(三分球命中率36.7%)、浪人JJ(三分球命 中率45.9%)、猎人。 Comments: That's the perfect S.S.O.L. team -- seven athletes and/or 3-point shooters and a Hall of Fame point guard running the show. This was the most " successful" (for lack of a better word) Suns team, falling to the future champion Spurs in a particularly tight series that could have played out differently if Joe Johnson hadn't fractured his eye socket in the previous round. You'd think they would have keep that nucleus together, right? 评价:那是最完美的S.S.O.L.(七秒或更快)进攻球队 -- 七个运动力出色的球员(包含 若干具备三分能力的射手)还有一名未来名人堂的控卫一起组成了这个秀。这是最"成功的" (抱歉没有更适合的形容词存在)太阳队,在竞争出奇激烈的系列赛中败给了当年的冠军马 刺,而如果在前一轮Johnson没有发生眼窝骨折的意外,那这一轮鹿死谁手还很难讲。你认 为他们一定会保持这个核心阵容,对吧? Unfortunately ... 不幸的是... Mistake No. 1: Re-read Marc Stein's post-mortem from August 2005 to properly refresh your memory about the Joe Johnson fiasco. That's right -- fiasco. Phoenix's relationship with Johnson deteriorated so badly that he directly asked Sarver not to match Atlanta's $70 million offer -- which he didn't -- leading to the devastating trade of Johnson for Boris Diaw and two future first-rounders. (Note: In that aforementioned "What If's" column, I partially excused the Suns because Johnson wanted to leave, forgetting how they drove him away until a few bitter Suns fans refreshed my memory.) They had just come within two wins of the NBA Finals and built an identity; now they were dealing a 24-year-old potential All-Star, the perfect swingman for their system, a deadly shooter who could even play backup point guard for them ... and only getting back a bench player and two future picks? Maybe that deal would have made sense for some teams, but they had just come within two wins of making the Finals! And how could they botch the Johnson thing so badly that he asked to leave? (Note: I asked these same questions three summers ago.) To borrow a modern example, this would be like the 2008 Hornets coming within two games of the NBA Finals while lowballing David West for the entire year, then trading him to Charlotte this summer for Jared Dudley and two No. 1s. Would they ever do that in a million years? 错误一:再读一次Marc Stein於'05年8月所写的报导应该可以适当地唤醒你对於Joe Johnson惨案的回忆。没错 -- 惨案。凤凰城和Johnson之间的关系糟透了,所以他直接向 Sarver要求,请他不要跟进亚特兰大所提出总值7,000万美元的合约 -- Sarver也就真的没 有跟 -- 这导致了以Johnson换取屌爷和两个未来第一轮选秀权的毁灭性交易成真。(注: 在我之前提到的"15个如果"专文里头,我稍稍谅解了太阳,因为是Johnson自己想离开,直 到一些愤恨不平的太阳迷提醒了我,我才想起他们是怎麽逼走他的。)他们只差两胜就能踏 进NBA总冠军赛并为自己正名;结果他们把一个年仅24岁,未来可能成为全明星的球员交易 掉,他是最适合太阳进攻系统的摇摆人,是一个足以担任替补控卫又身怀绝命三分能力的 射手...而且只拿回一个板凳球员和两个未来的选秀权?或许别的球队做这样的交易还有意 义,不过他们只差两胜就能叩关总冠军赛耶!他们在面临Johnson求去时所做的挽救怎会如 此糟糕?(注:我在三年前的夏天就问过一样问题了。)举一个现在的例子来讲,这就像'08 年的黄蜂只差两胜就能晋级总冠军赛,不过他们整季都低估David West的价值并在今年夏 天拿他和夏洛特交换Jared Dudley还有两个第一轮选秀权。你想在他们有生之年他们会去 做这种脑残交易吗? Here's what kills me about the Johnson trade: With Nash, Amare, Marion and Johnson, you're set for the rest of the decade. That's it. That's your core. That's your guarantee for 57-plus wins a year and a specific style that can work. Surround them with role players and veteran buyout guys and you're contending until Nash breaks down, and even then, you can just shift the offense over to Johnson as the main creator. HOW CAN YOU GIVE THAT GUY UP???? So what if he's insulted and doesn't want to come back? He'll get over it! You're paying him $14 million a year and he gets to play with Steve Nash! Arrrrrrrrgh. 关於Johnson交易案最让我不能接受的是:只要有飘发哥、阿骂、Matrix以及Johnson ,你在接下来十年都可以高枕无忧。就是这样。那几个人就是你的核心人物。那几个人就 是球队每年拿下至少57胜并让这种独特球风继续风驰电掣於球场上的最佳保证。只要搭配 几个绿叶球员还有被买断合约的沙场老将,你就可以在飘发哥倒下之前都维持足以冲击总 冠军的竞争力,而且就算如此,你也可以只把进攻发动机的角色转换为Johnson,然後继续 这种行云流水的曼妙球风。你们是天杀的哪根筋不对劲才放走那个家伙?就算他老大不爽 而且不想继续待下来?他总有情绪平复的一天!你一年付给他1,400万美元就能让他继续和 飘发哥合作耶!啊~啊~啊~呀! --



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1F:推 thegod13 :头推 继续等下文 06/09 00:12
2F:推 fakeiori :那时候真的几乎是明星队... 06/09 00:33
3F:推 linhank :请问一下那时候有薪资空间可以签下JJ吗?? 06/09 01:03
4F:推 eurekacake :如果留下JJ 後来Hill又来 就真的是全明星队了@@ 06/09 01:44
5F:推 jackeyjut :痛苦的回忆啊… 06/09 03:31
6F:推 kisun :那时除非JJ是佛心来着的,不然这等身手甘心当球队的 06/09 08:33
7F:→ kisun :第四人吗? 06/09 08:33
8F:→ kisun :不过不可否认,那年太阳的阵容是近年来最凶猛的 06/09 08:34
9F:推 chouyuu :我一直觉得当年JJ开5年50M就该签了,然後Sarver不知 06/09 11:02
10F:→ chouyuu :道哪根筋不对钱不给就算了还靠北JJ,最好是有员工被 06/09 11:03
11F:→ chouyuu :靠北以後还会心甘情愿帮你做事,当然心里一定超赌烂 06/09 11:03
12F:→ chouyuu :这件事我对Sarver真的是超不满的 06/09 11:04
13F:推 PatlaborGao :尤其是JJ是花了多少功夫养起来的,我想太阳迷都清楚吧 06/09 11:37
14F:推 chadey :读此系列文不掉泪者 其人必不爱太阳 06/09 11:50
15F:推 iamokk :JJ养的过程大家不会忘的,Penny派&JJ派天天都在战 06/09 12:39
16F:推 DragonCloud :没错 PENNY哭哭 06/09 13:01
17F:→ DragonCloud :好担心年底的太阳QQ 06/09 13:02
18F:推 tliu223 :太阳那时已经有nash和骇客的大合同﹐小斯也是肯定 06/09 15:26
19F:→ tliu223 :要上千万的﹐再给JJ千万合同﹐恐怕战绩上没有起色 06/09 15:27
20F:→ tliu223 :反而是陷入更深的薪金陷阱了吧 06/09 15:29
21F:推 PatlaborGao :战绩?起色?那年可是平了队史的胜场啊...难道要他们挑 06/09 15:59
22F:→ PatlaborGao :战70胜? 06/09 16:00
23F:推 PatlaborGao :而且下季,前四人共拿5600,跟msn+JJ的5500比起来还真 06/09 16:04
24F:→ PatlaborGao :不逊色啊,明明是4个位置都有人,只要有个防守好的C, 06/09 16:05
25F:→ PatlaborGao :就有机会挑战冠军的.... 06/09 16:07
26F:推 PatlaborGao :我想Sarver并不是没有钱,只是他没有Cuban对冠军的那 06/09 16:09
27F:→ PatlaborGao :份渴望 06/09 16:10
28F:推 rahim1211 :以结果论来说JJ走人也没省到钱,那1400万左右都给了 06/09 18:21
29F:→ rahim1211 :Diaw和Barbosa,当然後两位也都是好球员 06/09 18:22
30F:→ rahim1211 :只是这篇文章提到的4人组看来"似乎"更诱人一点 06/09 18:23
31F:→ rahim1211 :续约JJ所损失的或许是没钱留下Barbosa... 06/09 18:24
32F:推 chouyuu :想深一层JJ续约的话小巴不知道还打不打得出那身价 06/09 18:50
33F:→ chouyuu :或许到时候续约也不用那麽多钱 不过这都马後炮XD 06/09 18:50
34F:推 chadey :再补马後炮一发 小巴的季後赛身价 = = 06/10 02:50
35F:推 JoshSmith :太马後炮了 交易完隔年 Diaw 拿最佳进步奖 06/10 03:55
36F:→ JoshSmith :我们老鹰可是被笑的半死 呵........ 06/10 03:55
37F:推 BrentBarry :楼上说的也是刚好时也运也..如果在别队没Nash不可能 06/10 10:40
38F:推 stoudemire31:结论:Cuban快来买太阳队拉 06/11 00:02
39F:→ iamgay110 :......Q-Rich是三成五八不是三成九八啦 06/11 12:16
40F:→ iamgay110 :三成九八三分命中率最好有人会骂... 06/11 12:17
41F:推 JoeJohnson :我真是佛心来着.. 06/13 13:10
42F:→ sneak : 楼上说的也是刚好时也运 https://daxiv.com 12/12 16:40
43F:→ muxiv : ......Q-Ric https://moxox.com 04/20 22:14







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