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付费文章.. 分享过来并翻译给板友看, 喜欢的可以去订阅 Caitlin Cooper 最专业的女性溜马分析师 - 喜欢她的文章和分析的话请订阅她支持她 原文 : https://tinyurl.com/ycxvyb2s 请支持溜马写手 Please subscribe to support her Why Myles Turner is no longer the "center" of attention July 1 On losing a franchise fixture while searching for a potentially better long-term fix By: Caitlin Cooper | @C2_Cooper 为什麽 Myles Turner 不再是溜马关注的"焦点/中锋" 7月1日 当球队失去一位象徵性球员,却也在寻找更长远的补强方案 作者:Caitlin Cooper | @C2_Cooper After advancing to the NBA Finals with the team that drafted him 11th overall in 2015, Myles Turner is no longer the "center" of attention in Indiana. According to ESPN's Shams Charania, the starting big man, who was seemingly always the subject of trade rumors while also outlasting an offer sheet to another center, has reached agreement on a four-year, $107 million contract with the Milwaukee Bucks, bringing an abrupt close to his 10-year tenure with the Indiana Pacers. 2015年以第11顺位被选中、今年随队打进总冠军赛的 Myles Turner,现在已不再是印第 安那的焦点中锋了。根据 ESPN 的 Shams Charania 报导,这位多年来总在交易谣言中起 伏、甚至曾挺过其他中锋的报价的先发长人,已与密尔瓦基公鹿签下一纸4年1亿700万美 元的合约,正式结束他在印第安那溜马的10年旅程。 It's possible the calculus changed for both sides, both in terms of dollar and cents as well as overall approach, in the wake of Tyrese Haliburton's injury. 在 Tyrese Haliburton 受伤之後,双方在薪资结构与整体规划上可能都重新计算过後做 出了改变。 There's no denying the impact that Haliburton has made on Turner's game. Last season, Turner led the Pacers in threes launched from the top of the key, with a total of 279 attempts, including the playoffs. When Haliburton was on the floor, Turner shot 40.5 percent on 244 attempts. When Haliburton was off the floor, he shot 22.9 percent on just 35 attempts. 不可否认,Haliburton 对 Turner 的比赛表现产生了极大影响。上季,Turner 是全队在 弧顶三分出手最多的球员,共投出279球(含季後赛)。Haliburton 在场时,Turner 三 分命中率高达40.5%(244次出手);Haliburton 不在场时,他只出手35次,命中率仅 22.9%。 Likewise, it's certainly telling of Haliburton's pick-and-roll wizardry that the Pacers scored just 0.945 points per chance with Turner as the screener prior to trading for Haliburton, compared to 1.040 points per chance since Haliburton's arrival. 这也说明了 Haliburton 在挡拆上的魔法:在他来到之前,溜马每次以 Turner 为掩护者 的挡拆平均仅得0.945分,而他加入後则提高到1.040分。 Just as he made and took more threes from his sweet spot with Haliburton on the floor, Turner also started moving toward the basket more often once Haliburton became the team's starting point guard, as he rolled on 65.7 percent of his picks in the Haliburton-era, compared to just 55.2 percent over the period B.H. (Before Haliburton). 除了在 Haliburton 上场时 Turner 更常於擅长区域出手三分,他也更积极切向篮下。 Haliburton 担任先发控卫後,Turner 在掩护後切入比例达65.7%,而在 Haliburton 加 盟前仅为55.2%。 Notably, during the second round of the playoffs, Andrew Nembhard and Myles Turner led the league in pick-and-roll efficiency, tallying 1.333 points per direct chance, among the 18 pick-and-roll duos who were involved in at least 30 screening actions. 值得注意的是,在季後赛第二轮中,Andrew Nembhard 与 Myles Turner 是联盟所有至少 30次挡拆组合中效率最高的组合,平均每回合得分高达1.333分。 Of course, while Nembhard certainly deserves credit for the guile he displays as a pick-and-roll creator, which he will now likely get to showcase more often as the team's soon-to-be starting point guard, it begs pointing out that part of the reason why that combination stood out to such a degree in that series was because the Cavs were deliberately cutting out Haliburton. 当然,Nembhard 的挡拆创造力值得肯定,而他也很可能在成为新任先发控卫後获得更多 机会。但必须指出的是,这对组合表现亮眼的部分原因是骑士刻意排除 Haliburton 的影 响。 Even when Haliburton doesn't touch the ball, he still has a hand in opening up elbow room for his teammates to play four-on-four, especially when Nembhard is drawing the weaker defensive assignments. 即使 Haliburton 没有持球,他仍能藉由牵制开启肘区空间,让队友打出四打四的局面, 特别是在 Nembhard 对位的是防守较弱的球员时。 https://imgur.com/a/Zb39r2Q In that regard, there likely would've been an adjustment period next season for the Nembhard-Turner pairing, when Nembhard is the lead guard being guarded by top defenders while also guarding top guards (that's a lot!). Still, if the Pacers had reached agreement with Turner on the same deal that was offered by Milwaukee, then regardless of how everything meshed in the interim and the salary cap ramifications, the intention likely still would've been for him to team up with Haliburton in the long-term. 从这个角度来看,Nembhard 和 Turner 搭配下季很可能需要一段磨合期,因为 Nembhard 不只要面对对方的顶尖防守者,还得自己去守对方主力後卫(这压力很大!) 。尽管如此,如果溜马当初也开出和公鹿一样的合约,那麽不论过渡期的配合如何、或是 薪资空间的压力为何,球队的长期规划应该还是希望他与 Haliburton 并肩作战。 To that point, while it's obvious how Haliburton enhances Turner, it hasn't always been as clear how Turner enhances Haliburton -- at least on offense and particularly in the later rounds of the playoffs the last two seasons. 说到这里,虽然 Haliburton 如何让 Turner 更好这点很明显,但 Turner 如何让 Haliburton 更好,尤其是在进攻端、以及近两季的季後赛後段,这点就不那麽清楚了。 During the Finals, although Turner certainly had some standout defensive possessions against Chet Holmgren, he struggled mightily to create advantages with hand-offs when the need was there to relieve OKC's pressure against Haliburton by starting the star guard away from the ball to open attacking lanes into the paint with get actions. 在总冠军赛中,虽然 Turner 确实对 Chet Holmgren 有几个漂亮的防守回合,但当需要 透过无球手递手战术替 Haliburton 缓解 OKC 的压迫、防守打开禁区路径时,Turner 在 递手战术创造优势上表现十分挣扎。 This should've been a foul on Lu Dort, but the reason why Lu Dort was in position to foul Haliburton was because Turner so rarely adjusts his screen with a two-foot lateral hop in order to actually stick the defender after getting off the ball. 这球应该是 Lu Dort 犯规,但他之所以能及时干扰 Haliburton,是因为 Turner 很少利 用「双脚横跳」方式修正掩护角度来真正卡住防守者。 https://imgur.com/a/KDk4jLM In the regular season, with how often Haliburton rejects screens, that type of craft may not be as pivotal in terms of the team’s literal ability to pivot, but it was glaring against a defense as unpredictable, handsy, and willing to load up at the blocks and elbows as that of OKC, which is to say nothing of the assist that might be needed for the star guard post-injury. 在例行赛时,由於 Haliburton 经常拒绝掩护,这类技巧或许没那麽关键。但面对像 OKC 这种防守风格飘忽、手脚频繁、且会在肘区与底线堆叠人墙的防守时,这种细节的缺 乏就变得特别明显,尤其现在球星後卫还带着伤势,更需要队友给予更多协助。 Moreover, similar to last season in the Eastern Conference Finals against the Celtics, when he too often devolved to auto-pilot post moves against Derrick White and seemed unsure of where to insert himself while being guarded by Jayson Tatum, he didn't exactly always recognize and capitalize on mismatches and switches within the flow of the offense against the Thunder, either. 此外,就像上季对塞尔提克的东区冠军赛一样,Turner 常常陷入对 Derrick White 的无 意识低位单打,面对 Jayson Tatum 的防守时又显得找不到自己在进攻中的定位。这季面 对雷霆时,他同样没有好好识别并利用错位与换防。 Here, what was a prime opportunity for a quick swim move in front of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander at the rim... 这里,面对 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 在篮下原本是一个绝佳的快速转身机会... https://imgur.com/a/EULskQL ... turned into a contested, one-dribble three at the top of the key. ...结果却变成弧顶一个运球後的高难度三分出手。 https://imgur.com/a/NT1BI69 Granted, that's his sweet spot and Turner, per Rick Carlisle, was dealing with an illness during this series, but he underperformed his expected effective field-goal percentage from three (52.65%) by 20.5 percent against OKC (32.14), with 50 percent of his attempts being heavily contested, compared to 40.9 percent during the entirety of the playoff run. 诚然,那是他擅长的出手点,而且根据主帅 Rick Carlisle 表示,Turner 该系列赛身体 不适,但他对 OKC 的三分有效命中率(32.14%)比预期(52.65%)低了整整20.5个百分 点,其中有高达50%的出手是受到强力干扰,远高於整个季後赛期间的40.9%。 At times, that's because easier opportunities inside, which weren't necessarily easier for him, were shirked in favor of tougher relocations. Meanwhile, a lower percentage of Haliburton's touches featured a paint touch in that series with Turner on the floor (7.91 percent) than off (8.94 percent). 有时是因为 Turner 放弃了相对容易(但对他而言也未必容易)的禁区进攻机会,选择难 度更高的外围出手。另一方面,Haliburton 在 Turner 在场时触球後进入禁区的比例( 7.91%)比 Turner 不在场时(8.94%)还低。 Over the Eastern Conference Finals and Finals combined, Turner finished with twice as many turnovers (26) as made threes (13), with the Knicks and Thunder pulling down 115 offensive rebounds when he was on the floor, compared to just 82 for the Pacers. 从东区冠军赛到总冠军赛整体来看,Turner 发生的失误(26次)是他投进的三分球(13 球)两倍。当他在场上时,尼克与雷霆合计抓下115个进攻篮板,而溜马仅抓下82个。 To put those numbers into further context while adjusting for the possibility of discrepancies in makes and misses, New York and Oklahoma City combined to post higher offensive rebound rates from both two-point and three-point range when he was on the floor than what was the case for the Pacers. 进一步调整命中与失手的变数後,尼克与雷霆在 Turner 在场时,无论是两分球还是三分 球的进攻篮板率都比溜马来得更高。 New York + Oklahoma City: 2PT OREB% - 35.75%; 3PT OREB% - 33.09% Indiana: 2PT OREB% - 27.78%; 3PT OREB% - 23.68% 尼克 + 雷霆:二分球进攻篮板率 - 35.75%;三分球进攻篮板率 - 33.09% 溜马:二分球进攻篮板率 - 27.78%;三分球进攻篮板率 - 23.68% As the saying goes, more than ever, the basketball is the most important part of basketball. 正如那句话所说——「在这个时代,篮球比以往任何时候都更是『抢篮板』的游戏。」 There was a similar trend in last season's Eastern Conference Finals, when he also finished with more turnovers (17) than made threes (7), while leading the team in total turnovers -- as a center. 这样的情况在去年东区冠军赛也曾上演——当时他投进的三分球(7球)也少於他的失误 数(17次),而且作为中锋,他是全队失误最多的球员。 That said, even when his shot isn't falling, his ability to shoot allowed the team to shape-shift into different alignments than what's possible with Isaiah Jackson, who was extended a qualifying offer to become a restricted free agent, or Tony Bradley, who had his $2.9 million, non-guaranteed option picked up. 尽管如此,即使 Turner 手感冰冷,他的投射能力仍然让球队阵型有更多变化选择,是 Isaiah Jackson(已被发出延伸合格报价)或 Tony Bradley(球队执行了他290万美元的 非保障选项)无法提供的。 There's a difference when a guard is the player in the dunker spot, thereby opening a wider entry point on the perimeter while forcing another guard to protect the rim. 当禁区「沉底位」(dunker spot)是由後卫站位时,外围切入的角度会更宽,并且会迫 使对手的後卫去护框,这会产生防守错位。 https://imgur.com/a/SRyjA5N Than when a big is parked in that spot, putting a big in position to force kick-outs. 但如果是中锋或大个子卡在那个位置,通常会迫使进攻球员只能将球传出来,无法有效攻 框。 https://imgur.com/a/Evsrnyv Turner's skill-set enables that type of flexibility and losing him for nothing isn't exactly ideal asset management, but the same can now also be said of what options the Pacers have moving forward. Turner 的技能组合确实带来这种战术上的弹性,白白失去他在资产管理上当然不是最理 想的,但溜马未来的选项也同样充满不确定性。 After advancing to the NBA Finals and in the wake of losing Tyrese Haliburton (likely) for the next year, Turner is no longer a franchise fixture and if (emphasis on "if") that decision was based solely on saving ownership money, well, that would be a giant bummer. 在刚打进总冠军赛、又可能失去 Haliburton 一整年的情况下,Turner 已经不再是球队 的基石人物。如果(强调是如果)球队放走他的理由只是为了省老板的钱,那真的太令人 失望了。 However, as was the case throughout nearly the entirety of his tenure, as trade rumors swirled and other centers usurped him at starting five or were signed to offer sheets, there was reason to think the Pacers needed to continue keeping an open mind with regard to other potential long-term fixes -- especially based on his performance in the later rounds of the playoffs the last two seasons. 然而,正如他过去几乎整段溜马生涯所经历的那样——交易流言不断,其他中锋抢走先发 位置或拿到报价单——也合理让人认为,球队应该一直保持开放态度,寻找其他可能的长 期解决方案,特别是根据他近两季季後赛後段的表现。 It's unfortunate that an Achilles injury likely pointed to the beginning of the end for Turner in Indiana, but there's an opportunity for the Pacers to take a bigger step forward later by taking a step back now, with a change at center perhaps marking the end of a new beginning. 遗憾的是,这次的阿基里斯腱伤势,或许成了 Turner 在印第安那旅程的转捩点。但现在 的退步也许会成为未来的一大进步,而中锋位置的改变,也可能标志着一段新篇章的落幕 与开始。 ---- 付费文章.. 分享过来并翻译给板友看, 喜欢的可以去订阅 Caitlin Cooper 最专业的女性溜马分析师 - 喜欢她的文章和分析的话请订阅她支持她 原文 : https://tinyurl.com/ycxvyb2s 请支持溜马写手 Please subscribe to support her --



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1F:推 k960674: 她还是有些论点蛮奇怪的,像是因为Turner在Siakam在场时 07/08 12:34
2F:→ k960674: 防守挡拆效率更好,所以Siakam防守比Turner好…… 07/08 12:34
3F:→ k960674: 她以前说Ayton和Sabonis>>>Turner,we'll see... 07/08 12:38
4F:推 ntnusliver: Turner+小沙双塔 那几年战绩打很糟 但这不是Turner 07/08 13:28
5F:→ ntnusliver: 的错 是队上没有好的持球进攻启动 导致很多球是等 07/08 13:29
6F:→ ntnusliver: 小沙 进攻回到弧顶 才开始由小沙发动 双档 手递手... 07/08 13:30
7F:→ ntnusliver: 哈利的进攻启动影响球队太大 让各种战术可以变化更活 07/08 13:31
8F:→ ntnusliver: Turner 需要好的後卫帮忙吸怪 他就可以发挥最大效益 07/08 13:31
9F:推 lens82801: 我没印象她有说过Ayton跟Sabonis>>>Turner,她只会讨 07/08 13:43
10F:→ lens82801: 论球员的优缺点吧 07/08 13:43
11F:推 k960674: 抱歉没解释清楚,就当作是我自己的脑补吧,她当时的分析 07/08 14:12
12F:→ k960674: 和结论是给我那样的感觉 07/08 14:12
13F:推 larson: 看到Chet的薪水只会让我觉得放掉Turner好可惜 07/10 12:57
14F:→ m99k: chet还有大好未来拉 不能这样看 Turner是进步十分有限了 07/10 16:17







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