※ [本文转录自 NBA 看板 #1eBNBcER ] 作者: PiGFAcE (被遗忘在沙滩上的脚印) 看板: NBA 标题: [讨论] 尼克溜马赛前分析 时间: Wed May 21 14:29:56 2025 为庆祝瓶大当选溜马小板主，特别贡献一篇小小的赛前分析讨论。其实这是一个外 国 podcast 的翻译整理，我有用 chatGPT 代翻，因为内容实在太多了，不过听了这麽多 赛前分析，这一个内容是我听起来讨论最深的。 毕竟讨论的人是溜马专家跟尼克专家。 文长, 建议可以按 end 略过直接从後面往上先看观战重点, 如果有兴趣回头看四个分析师在 podcast 里面讨论到的数据和细节 再慢慢回头看 Podcast 的翻译稿 原影片： https://youtu.be/4aneGs8o3kg?si=4bqLFHmaljBlG54a 以下为原文与翻译: [Benji] this playoff season there’s only one place where we’ll bet Fanatic Sportsboo k 今年季後赛只有一个地方值得我们投注，那就是Fanatic Sportsbook Yes they’re our presenting sponsor but it doesn’t make sense to bet anywhere else if you’re a sports fan 没错，他们是我们节目的赞助商，但如果你是运动迷，投注其他地方毫无道理 When you bet you earn fan cash win or lose which means that your bets get you closer to accumulating fan cash for authentic jerseys hats memorabilia and mor e 不论输赢，投注都能累积「粉丝现金」，让你更接近获得正版球衣、帽子、纪念品等商品 Winning hits different with fan cash 透过粉丝现金赢得比赛的感觉就是不一样 Gambling problem call 1800 gambler Connecticut residents call 800789777 Massac husetts residents call 800 327-50 New York residents call 8778NY Maryland resi dents visit mdgamblinghelp.org 若有赌博问题，请拨打 1-800-GAMBLER。康乃狄克居民请致电 800-789-7777，麻州居民 请致电 800-327-5050，纽约居民请致电 877-8-HOPENY，马里兰居民请访问 mdgamblingh elp.org [Benji] Hello everybody Welcome to the most perhaps the most improbable Eastern Confer ence Finals podcast 大家好，欢迎收听或许是史上最不可思议的东区决赛播客 I am going to be joined here by the great Caitlyn Cooper of basketball she wro te 今天我们邀请到《Basketball She Wrote》的优秀作者 Caitlyn Cooper as well as the great Samson folk of Raptors Republic and other publications fr om across the border 还有来自 Raptors Republic 和其他加拿大媒体的杰出作者 Samson Folk And of course you know him well as the detail junkie the defender of Julius th e doctor of jump shots My man DJ Zulo is here with us as well 当然还有各位熟知的细节狂魔、Julius的忠实支持者、跳投博士，我的好夥伴 DJ Zulo 也在现场 This is a KFS X’s and O’s special presentation where we have the privilege t o be joined by Caitlyn and Samson 这是KFS「战术解析」的特别节目，很荣幸邀请到 Caitlyn 和 Samson 一起参与 [Benji] I you guys probably know Caitlyn well basketball she wrote one of the great th inkers of our game 大家可能很熟悉 Caitlyn，她是《Basketball She Wrote》的作者，篮球界的优秀思想家 之一 one of the great writers of our game just a brilliant a brilliant analyst of t he game 也是篮球界极其出色的作家和卓越的分析家 and Samson if you if you guys aren’t familiar with Samson from like the IQ RJ Barrett you know crossf function New York Toronto 如果你们不熟悉 Samson，他对IQ、RJ Barrett 以及纽约、多伦多之间的交集有深厚的研 究 you know they’re they’re basically a sideshow at this point for the for the New York Knicks he should be 他们基本上已经成为尼克队的次要话题了，但他绝对值得你们关注 because he he is the best there is at breaking down the Raptors and the NBA at large 因为他是分析暴龙队及整个NBA联盟的最佳人选 he joins Caitlyn during their playoff runs they’ve been doing amazing work 季後赛期间他与 Caitlyn 合作，两人一直做出相当精彩的内容 [Benji] So it is an honor for us DJ I speak on on behalf of DJ as well to have you guy s with us 能够与你们两位合作，我谨代表DJ，感到非常荣幸 to break down again what is maybe the most improbable Eastern Conference Final s in NBA history 一起分析这个可能是NBA史上最令人难以置信的东区决赛 Got to be close Um and uh here we are Pacers Knicks starts Wednesday night 一定相当接近史上之最了，我们将迎接周三晚上的溜马对尼克之战 We’re recording this on a Sunday afternoon so we’re going to give a lot of t ime for people to digest 我们在周日下午录制此节目，因此大家有充裕时间消化内容 and we’re going to talk about the X’s and O’s of the series 我们将深入讨论本系列赛的战术细节 [Benji] So how is everybody doing Caitlin we’ll start with you What’s going on 大家过得如何？Caitlyn，先从你开始，最近如何？ [Caitlyn Cooper] doing well I was just reminiscing with Andrew before we started 我很好，刚才跟 Andrew 回想起来 that at the end of our pregame pod in February We both said “Well see you aga in next year 二月份录完赛前Podcast时，我们都说「明年再见」 We don’t anticipate doing this in the playoffs.” 完全没想到季後赛还能再合作 So definitely wasn’t anticipated on behalf of the two people that cover these two teams 对於我们这两个长期追踪这两支球队的人来说，这真的完全没料到 It’s unbelievable 实在太不可思议了 [Benji] Samson what’s cooking over there how’s Toronto Samson 那边如何，多伦多最近好吗？ [Samson Folk] doing good Doing good Yeah it’s sunny out It’s nice 很好，很好，天气晴朗，很舒服 Also uh Nick’s fans might know me cuz my tweet gets every every time OG does something funny in an interview 尼克迷可能认识我，因为每次 OG 在采访中有趣表现时，我的推文都会引起关注 My tweet about the type of cander you’re supposed to have in discussing thing s with him pops off 特别是关於跟他聊天该保持何种坦率态度的推文总是爆红 So people might have seen that My advice on how to uh unriddle the unriddable OG Anobi 所以大家可能看过我如何解读难以捉摸的 OG Anunoby 的建议 Unbelievable He’s the best What a character 难以置信，他真的很棒，个性超特别 [Benji] Each how we doing buddy man I’m Listen I’m just happy to be here DJ，最近好吗？我只是很高兴能参加 Um I am surrounded by three of the best basketball minds in the business 今天身边坐着三位业界最杰出的篮球专家 I’m super stoked about this series and it’s been a great day for me 我对这系列赛非常兴奋，今天也是很棒的一天 Had a overpriced smoothie bowl with the kids shot some hoops 陪孩子们吃了顿贵到离谱的水果冰沙碗，还打了些篮球 I’m ready to go I’m overcaffeinated Like this is this is really good times r ight now 我已经准备好了，咖啡喝得太多，现在真的感觉超棒 and really happy to break down what should be a fascinating series with the th ree of you 非常期待与你们三人一起分析这场精彩的系列赛 [Benji] Awesome Oh before Andrew gets mad at me I should say this is presented by Fana tic Sports Book So there it is I I did it Andrew 太棒了，噢！在 Andrew 生气前，我得提醒大家，节目由Fanatic Sports Book赞助播出 ，Andrew 我说了喔！ [Benji] All right So look I think we all we all came to the table here with some kind of foundational questions about the series from a schematic standpoint 好的，我想我们今天都带着一些从战术层面出发的基础性问题来讨论这系列赛 And so I think we’ll just kind of take turns pitching a question and then we ’ll go around the table 因此我们会轮流提出问题，然後逐一讨论 and discuss how we think it’s going to go what the different adjustments migh t be throughout the series and we’ll take it from there 看看各位认为比赛会如何发展，以及系列赛过程中可能会有的不同调整，我们就从这里开 始 So Caitlin let’s start with you What is kind of your number one question when you’re looking at this series hit me with it Caitlyn，从你开始吧，你看这个系列赛时，最主要的问题是什麽？请直接告诉我 [Caitlyn Cooper] So mine comes from something that the Pacers actually never did during the reg ular season 我提出的问题其实是来自溜马队例行赛从未尝试过的事 So naturally it seems like it applies greatly here 但很明显地，在这里却特别适用 It’s about Aaron Nesmith 这跟Aaron Nesmith有关 So my question to the group is which I wrote a long piece about this but I wan t feedback from people who have watched the Knicks far more than I have 这个问题我之前写过一篇很长的文章，但我希望得到对尼克队更了解的人给予回馈 Should Aaron Nesmith guard Jalen Brunson or Karl-Anthony Towns Aaron Nesmith应该防守Jalen Brunson，还是Karl-Anthony Towns？ and to give some background on how I came to this question in game three last year of the Eastern Conference semi-finals 我会提出这问题的背景，是去年东区准决赛的第三场比赛 the Pacers made the adjustment to put Aaron onto Jalen Brunson instead of Andr ew Nembhard 溜马队调整了防守，让Aaron Nesmith而非Andrew Nembhard去防守Jalen Brunson At that point in time Aaron Nesmith kind of got billed as the quote unquote Ja len Brunson stopper 当时Aaron Nesmith被某种程度上视为所谓「Jalen Brunson克星」 I would like to push back against that a little bit because that also coincide d with Jalen Brunson’s foot injury Number one 对这点我想稍微提出反驳，因为首先那时候Jalen Brunson正好脚受伤 And number two what I felt was more impactful is that Andrew Nembhard was avai lable to be guarding in the gaps as their most impactful off-ball defender 其次，我认为更重要的是Andrew Nembhard可以作为防守缺口的守护者，他是溜马最具影 响力的无球防守者 And Pascal Siakam then after OG Anunoby’s injury was roaming off of Precious Achiuwa a lot which was allowing Aaron to press up closer to the ball 而在OG Anunoby受伤之後，Pascal Siakam经常放掉Precious Achiuwa，因此Aaron可以更 贴近持球者施压 So these two teams are a lot different now 但现在这两支球队与当时有很大的不同 Game one of the regular season happens Pascal more tethered to Anunoby Jalen B runson roaring to the Madison Square Garden crowd 例行赛第一场时，Pascal更常紧跟着Anunoby，而Jalen Brunson则在麦迪逊广场花园球迷 前振臂高呼 that he’s asserting his dominance over Aaron Nesmith 他展现出对Aaron Nesmith的绝对优势 Game three of the regular season happens and the Pacers make a starting lineup change 例行赛第三场时，溜马队改变了先发阵容 Aaron Nesmith back in the starting lineup for the Pacers opposite of Jalen Bru nson Aaron Nesmith重回溜马队先发阵容，与Jalen Brunson对位 I think Benji and I talked about this It felt like Jalen Brunson really wanted to prove his dominance in that matchup 我想Benji和我谈过，感觉Jalen Brunson真的很想在那场对决中证明他的优势 at the beginning of the game at the expense of Karl-Anthony Towns 这种情况在比赛一开始就出现了，但却牺牲了Karl-Anthony Towns的机会 who was being guarded by the formidable front court of Thomas Bryant and Obi T oppin in that particular basketball game 当时Karl-Anthony Towns是由Thomas Bryant和Obi Toppin这对强大的前场防守组合盯防 to this point in time Long story short Aaron has not guarded Karl-Anthony Town s 简单说，到目前为止，Aaron还没有防守过Karl-Anthony Towns By my eye Karl-Anthony Towns has been limited somewhat both in terms of his in volvement and his efficiency when he’s been guarded by smaller players 根据我的观察，当Karl-Anthony Towns被较矮小的球员防守时，他的参与度和效率都受到 了一些限制 in part because how the Knicks attack 部分原因是尼克队的进攻方式所致 So to all three of you Aaron Nesmith guarding Jalen Brunson or guarding Karl-A nthony Towns 所以我想问你们三位：Aaron Nesmith应该去防守Jalen Brunson，还是Karl-Anthony Tow ns？ [Samson Folk] I Okay I’ll go first 好，我先说吧 I have long been of the belief Obviously the numbers showed up in your article Caitlyn uh which everyone should read 我一直认为（而数据也在你的文章中有提到，Caitlyn，你的文章真的很值得大家阅读） but Karl Towns is a guy who uh is affected greatly by who’s standing across f rom him what archetype of defender Karl Towns是一名深受对位防守者类型影响的球员 and for whatever reason be it you know his own proclivities or let’s say the Knicks what they want to get get into offensively 不论是他自己的倾向还是尼克队希望采用的进攻策略 even this goes back to the the Wolves as well 甚至早在他还在灰狼队时就如此了 when you put a wing or a guard on him it does kind of make it more difficult f or him to know how to implement his own offense 当你派一个侧翼或後卫去防守他时，他往往会难以决定如何施展自己的进攻手段 And on the one hand it’s like I do think Nesmith is a better fit to guard Jal en Brunson because of his size and what it allows as you said Caitlyn the Pace rs to do off ball 一方面来说，我认为Nesmith更适合防守Jalen Brunson，因为他的体型，而且正如Caitly n你提到的，他能让溜马队在无球防守上有更多选择 However I do think that there is and I guess this is just your article by the way Caitlyn 不过我也觉得（顺便提一下，这也正是你的文章内容，Caitlyn） but having Nesmith there for screening actions off of Karl 让Nesmith去处理与Karl相关的掩护动作 if they want to involve as you said it may just end up putting Nesmith on Brun son anyway 如你所说的，最後可能还是会变成让Nesmith去防守Brunson And it also gets to start out every possession by putting you know Karl-Anthon y Towns in that same paradox 而这样做每个进攻回合一开始就会把Karl-Anthony Towns放入那种进退两难的境地 that he’s completely gets wrapped up in when he’s being guarded by non-bigs 这种困境正是当他被非内线球员防守时经常面临的情况 So I think it’s worth a shot 因此我认为值得一试 As you know Caitlyn and as many anybody who listens to our podcast knows 就像你所了解的，Caitlyn，以及我们Podcast听众所知的 when you come up with some like hey this is kind of odd but I’d like to see i t I always say yeah dude let’s see how it works 当有人提出一些奇特却有趣的想法时，我总是会说：「没错，兄弟，就试试看吧！」 So that’s that’s kind of how I come away from it 所以这就是我的看法 and Nembhard I mean a little bit chance of redemption maybe if he’s on Brunso n you know maybe he’s maybe he’s feeling himself a little bit more 至於Nembhard，我觉得如果让他去防守Brunson，也许是个赎罪的机会，也许他会找回一 点信心 Who knows but I I would give it a shot 谁知道呢，但我会愿意尝试看看 [DJ Zullo] Yeah I I think you almost have to go that route 没错，我觉得你几乎必须走这条路了 And it’s I will say I think Towns is probably after the Boston series and aft er seeing against Detroit too 而且老实说，我觉得Towns经过对上波士顿和活塞的系列赛後 I think he’s a little more equipped to counter that in in the post and you’r e seeing him 现在他在低位应对这种情况时，可能更有能力了，你可以看到他的表现 in whether it is post-ups or whether it is offensive rebounding I think he is taking advantage 不管是低位单打还是进攻篮板，我觉得他正在有效地利用这种优势 as well as he can in terms of weaponizing wings guarding him 尤其是面对由侧翼球员防守他的时候，他特别能发挥这样的优势 And you know I’m heartened by the fact that he has been a little bit better a nd I’ve been talking about this for a while 你们也知道，我一直有提到这点，我很高兴他最近有进步 Instead of trying to bulldoze his way to the basket against wings if he can ju st face up rip and go 与其尝试硬扛侧翼球员强行推进，如果他能够直接面框持球突破 I think he’s a lot to handle 我认为他将会很难防守 And you saw that in game six against Jaylen Brown and then against Horford a l ittle bit too 你们也看到了第六场对Jaylen Brown时的表现，以及稍微对上Horford时的状况 where if he makes quick decisions he can get there before double comes and he can get all the way to the basket on a single dribble 当他快速做决定，就能在对方包夹前，用一个运球直接攻到篮下 He’s really ineffective I think Caitlyn this is probably where you’re going with this as well 但我认为他真正无效的地方，Caitlyn你可能也会这样觉得 He’s largely ineffective against post doubles especially coming from the bott om or the baseline 当低位包夹从底线或底部过来时，他通常都会变得非常无效 He hasn’t solved that 这点他还没有找到解法 Now he’s better when he can face and see where the coverage is coming from 当他面框并且清楚看到包夹从哪里来时，他的表现会好得多 but if he’s trying to back down and it’s Myles Turner roaming that he can ge t into a lot of trouble in those scenarios 但如果他试图背框单打，而此时Myles Turner又在底线游移防守，他会遇到很多麻烦 So listen I would be a little concerned about Nesmith in terms of foul trouble 老实说，我会稍微担心Nesmith陷入犯规麻烦 But in terms of like how to start the game I think you have to go that route 但如果讨论到比赛开局该怎麽做，我觉得你必须要尝试这个策略 The only question maybe is whether Siakam is the guy to do it 唯一可能的疑问是，Siakam是不是更适合这个角色 or do you sort of use that in spurts and not may not maybe go that route cuz i t feels like Siakam at least physically can handle that 或者你只是偶尔采用这个策略，而不是一直使用，因为感觉Siakam至少在体格上能胜任 I don’t know if that means now you’re bringing another screener into the act ion 我不知道这是否意味着你现在得引入另一个掩护者 and you’re getting a secondary step up or you’re doing something to maybe in volve Siakam in in that action 你或许需要有第二波掩护，或者其他方式来让Siakam参与其中 but it feels like he physically can can handle it 但感觉上，Siakam的身体素质确实能应付这点 I do wonder if Nesmith has the bulk and the physicality to ultimately push Tow ns off a spot 我确实怀疑Nesmith的体格和力量是否真的足以把Towns推出他想要的位置 But if if Karl is doing what I think he should do and that’s like facing rip and go I think he could be pretty dominant 但如果Karl能像我想的那样，采用面框持球直接突破，我觉得他将会非常具有统治力 But if he’s falls into the scenario of just like trying to back his way in of f balance doubles come he’s not seeing it 但如果他又陷入背框单打的情况，被包夹时失去重心又看不清包夹来袭 then I think the Pacers are going to make out pretty well in that in that sort of matchup 我认为在这种情况下，溜马队将会占据上风 [Benji] Yeah I think Nesmith isn’t is the interesting I think probably most people wa tching this will say isn’t Nesmith like option number three 是啊，我觉得Nesmith的情况很有趣，可能大多数观众会认为：Nesmith不是应该是第三选 项吗？ I mean let’s break down the options 我意思是，让我们仔细分析一下各个选项 You have the Turner option which would be the traditional matchup 你可以选择用Turner去防守，这会是传统的对位方式 that to Caitlyn’s earlier point almost all teams have gone away from putting their traditional centers on KAT for all the reasons that we’ve discussed 如同Caitlyn稍早提到的，基於我们之前讨论过的原因，几乎所有球队都已经避免用传统 中锋去防守KAT了 We’ve been talking about this all season long 我们整个赛季都在谈论这件事 It was something that was going to happen when the trade was made 当初交易发生时，这是可以预见的情况 We knew Hart would be the guy the centers guard 我们知道Hart将会是由中锋来防守的人选 It allows now your best shot blocker in Turner to roam and clog everything els e up the way Luke Kornet did in game five against the Knicks 这种策略可以让你最好的火锅手Turner自由游移防守，封锁其他所有空间，就像Luke Kor net在对尼克的第五战所做的 And that’s been the traditional coverage now against the Knicks since basical ly January 这基本上从一月以来就已经是对尼克队的传统防守方式了 Even if it was present all the way back in preseason it became the coverage st arting in January 即使这在季前赛就出现过，但从一月开始才真正成为主流防守策略 So let’s assume they’re going to go to some route where not Myles Turner Myl es Turner is guarding Josh Hart 所以我们假设他们会采用某种策略，而不是让Myles Turner防守其他人，而是让他盯防Jo sh Hart Is that the safe assumption Caitlyn in this scenario 在这个情况下，这样的假设是否正确，Caitlyn？ [Caitlyn Cooper] It would be to be honest I’ll be surprised if they go to this in game one Smi th or Nesmith 老实说，如果他们在第一场比赛就采用这种策略，无论是用Smith或Nesmith，我都会感到 惊讶 I mean I’ll be surprised if they go to a cross match in game one 我的意思是，如果第一场就采用交叉防守，我会觉得很意外 In my long term I think that they’re going to get to it but I won’t be surpr ised in game one if it’s Myles Turner at the center 长期来看，我认为他们最终会走这个方向，但如果第一场比赛仍然是Myles Turner担任中 锋，我并不会惊讶 [Benji] Wow that’s that’s what they’ve done the entire regular season 哇，这可是他们整个例行赛都在做的事啊 The only players that have guarded Karl-Anthony Towns are Turner Bryant Jax an d Toppin when he’s been at the five 唯一防守过Karl-Anthony Towns的球员只有Turner、Bryant、Jax，以及当他打五号位时 的Toppin It’s just with all of the evidence that has mounted since even the last Pacer s matchup 不过从上次对战溜马队之後的所有证据来看 It’s like I mean that would be such a breath of fresh air 如果能换个方式，这真的会让人耳目一新 Not to say Turner can’t make things difficult on Towns but all of the sudden now you open up the pick and pop game 并不是说Turner无法给Towns制造麻烦，但如果突然间你让他们打起挡拆跳投 which hasn’t been available to the Knicks in in five months essentially which is crazy 这个战术尼克队基本上已经有五个月没有使用了，这真的太疯狂了 Back it but to DJ’s point Towns has been really good against the Pacers cente rs at attacking quickly out of face ups and getting downhill out of fake hando ffs 回到DJ的观点，Towns在面对溜马中锋时，面框进攻和假手递手後的快速下切都非常出色 They can’t close out to his right hand for some unknown inexplicable reason t o me 我不知道为什麽，他们就是无法阻止他的右手突破 But so what’s what’s the downside to Siakam as opposed to Nesmith like why i s Nesmith the one you went to 但那麽相较於Nesmith来说，Siakam会有哪些劣势呢？为什麽你一开始就选择了Nesmith？ [Caitlyn Cooper] Nesmith’s been better against Brunson Nesmith在防守Brunson方面表现得比较好 and I’m assuming that KAT’s going to set the screen 而且我预设KAT会来掩护 and when they do if they bring another screener and like let’s pretend they w ant Haliburton as the screener defender 当他们这麽做时，如果又多带一个掩护者，比方说他们希望Haliburton作为掩护者的防守 者 Siakam getting over the top of that Siakam要绕过掩护防守的时候 The inverted actions against Milwaukee were quite poor 他在对雄鹿队时的反向掩护防守表现非常糟糕 Samson probably has more evidence to this than I do but over like the last yea r and a half Samson可能比我有更多证据，但过去一年半左右 There’s many things that Siakam does well and their impact numbers are astron omically better when Siakam is on the floor Siakam有很多做得好的地方，而当他在场上时，球队的整体影响数据也好非常多 but that’s mainly about what he does off ball 但这主要是因为他在无球防守时的表现 I’d be a little bit nervous about him defending in space repeatedly against B runson up at the top of the key 我会有点担心他一再地在三分线弧顶区域与Brunson进行空间上的一对一防守 So that’s kind of where I lean with that 这是我为什麽比较倾向使用Nesmith的原因 And also like just real quick if you’re starting Nembhard out against Brunson and anticipating that screen 另外补充一下，如果你一开始就让Nembhard去防守Brunson并预期会出现掩护的话 you’re going to be playing the Knicks much deeper into the clock 你会迫使尼克队进攻时间变得更晚，让他们进入进攻倒数 and the foul trouble is going to be mitigated against Nesmith because Nembhard ’s going to be a lot better at pressuring the ball without fouling 而Nesmith的犯规问题也会因此减轻，因为Nembhard在施压持球者时更不容易犯规 But I’ll let Samson speak to those things 不过我还是让Samson来进一步解释这点吧 [Samson Folk] The late clock thing when I was poking around the Knicks are one of the best 我稍微研究了一下，尼克队在进攻倒数时 I think they’re a top two team in the playoffs so far at hitting shots in the back and like the last four seconds of the shot clock 在这次季後赛中，是倒数四秒内命中率排名前两名的球队 I that’s obviously not predictive in the playoffs It’s just a I had I had th e stat in my head 当然，这并不代表季後赛接下来就会这样，只是我刚好记得这个数据而已 So but it’s not predictive but it’s it’s it’s that’s been a Knicks thing since Brunson came aboard 虽然不能完全预测，但自从Brunson加入之後，这确实一直都是尼克队的特色之一 Like they they are not they are very comfortable there now 他们现在对这样的情况已经非常习惯了 Sometimes too comfortable if you’re asking I think DJ would agree with me 甚至有时候可能太过习惯了，我想DJ会认同我的说法 but they are very comfortable whittling the clock down and letting you know Br unson make a play at the end 但他们确实很擅长慢慢消耗进攻时间，最後再由Brunson来决定进攻的处理方式 Yeah Uh and just honestly Nesmith I think is uh more aggressive 嗯，而且老实说，我认为Nesmith更积极一点 Uh like I think Pascal obviously is a bigger body to that point but Nesmith I think is really aggressive really feisty 当然，我也认为Pascal身体条件更好，但我觉得Nesmith更积极、更充满斗志 and will of course hearken back to what what we were talking about at the top 当然，这会回到我们最开始的讨论 which is that Karl despite obviously having improvements over time 也就是Karl虽然明显有所进步 it does if you’re trying to identify a potential weakness against one of the best shooting bigs of all time 但如果你要试着找到这个史上最强投射型长人的潜在弱点 a guy who is like when he has his game going it’s he’s something to behold 他当比赛节奏掌握好的时候，真的非常值得观赏 trying to put him a step back or like kind of get him off rhythm You do that 如果你试图让他退一步，或者稍微打乱他的节奏，就可能成功 Now obviously Caitlyn I don’t know if that happens in game one 当然，Caitlyn，我也不知道第一场比赛会不会这样发生 but I do think that and yeah also when it progresses into later matchups with you know screens switching and all that kind of stuff 但我确实觉得，尤其当後续比赛开始出现掩护、换防这些情况时 I don’t Pascal I don’t think you want like Paul George up above the break ni mly bimy like around everything Yeah 我不觉得你会想让Pascal像Paul George一样，在弧顶附近灵活地来回移动追防 Yeah And the other thing is and I think if you watch the series last year 另外一点，如果你回头看去年的系列赛 Brunson obviously had a great game one solid game two Brunson显然在第一场表现出色，第二场也很稳定 I think his performance against Nembhard is a has been a little overrated in t he sense that the shot making 但我觉得他对上Nembhard的表现可能被稍微高估了，因为他命中的那些投篮 in the cuz he wasn’t getting to the rim and he wasn’t even getting into the paint a lot 他当时其实很少能杀到篮下，甚至连禁区也没能深入太多 It was a lot of like left elbow right elbow just shooting over the top 多半是左侧肘区、右侧肘区这种位置的跳投 And listen he can do that against Nembhard who lacks the the size to really af fect his shot 当然，他可以对Nembhard这样投篮，因为Nembhard缺乏足够的身高去影响他的出手 but it’s still a 45 to 52% on the high-end attempt in terms of the field goal percentage 但这种投篮即便在高效情况下，命中率也只是落在45%到52%之间 [DJ Zullo] So if he’s making those shots at 52% it’s going to be a hard series for the Pacers 因此如果他真的能以52%的命中率命中那些投篮，这对溜马来说会是一个艰难的系列赛 But if it’s more in the range of you know 45 to 48 但如果他的命中率更接近45%到48%的话 I think you would live with that in the sense that you’re not gaining so much of the 我觉得这样的结果你还能接受，因为这意味着你并没有承受太大的损失 you’re not risking the foul trouble as much Brunson getting to the line 而且你也降低了Brunson造犯规并站上罚球线的风险 and you’re keeping him out of the paint for the most part 而且你大致上能阻止他进入禁区 because that’s where I think Nembhard did a really good job last year at time s just keeping him walled off 因为我认为去年Nembhard在这方面做得非常出色，有好几次成功地阻止了Brunson突破 It was just Brunson was so good in that intermediate mid-range area just makin g really tough shots 只是Brunson在中距离区域太出色了，能投进许多非常困难的投篮 I mean they were they were fall-aways um pivot aways just a lot of shots that he was taking and making 我意思是，他投中了很多後仰跳投、转身跳投之类的高难度投篮 It’s a really good contest from Nembhard 尽管Nembhard的防守非常出色 So I I think it and you look at games three three on Brunson had a pretty inef ficient finish to that series 而且如果你再看看从第三场之後，Brunson在该系列赛中的效率明显下降了不少 So I think it would be if I’m a Pacer fan I feel a little more comfortable 所以我想，如果我是溜马的球迷，我会感觉比较安心一些 than I think the the the national media is suggesting regarding Nembhard just being cooked by Brunson on in every game 相较於一些全国媒体所说的「Nembhard每场比赛都被Brunson彻底打爆」 I don’t think that was really the case 我并不认为情况真的是这样 It was some great shot making but I don’t know if it was sustainable shot mak ing over you know a seven six seven game series 当时确实有很多很棒的投篮表现，但我不确定这种表现是否能在六、七场的系列赛中一直 维持下去 Nembhard’s better at playing at contain and Nesmith a little bit more ambitio us and certainly has the more length Nembhard在防守压制方面比较好，而Nesmith则更加积极，毫无疑问也拥有更好的臂展 For me it’s almost like through these three games in the regular season they had they had more trouble containing Karl-Anthony Towns than they did Brunson 就我个人而言，从这三场例行赛来看，他们对Karl-Anthony Towns的防守明显比对Brunso n更困难 And because of that like just by the numbers his touches 19.2 per 100 possessi ons when he’s defended by guards 而根据数据来看，当他被後卫防守时，每100回合仅有19.2次触球 31.2 when he’s defended by centers 而被中锋防守时，每100回合则有31.2次触球 It’s a lot of like he gets marginalized it’s a lot of idle standing 换句话说，他被边缘化了，经常站在原地无所作为 So if the Pacers I mean if if they can just get him standing next to Aaron Nes mith on the wing 所以对溜马队来说，如果他们能让他仅仅站在侧翼，被Aaron Nesmith盯住 and they’re funneling more through the you know the Brunson Josh Hart pick an d roll which is a capable action 然後尼克队更多地使用Brunson与Josh Hart的挡拆，当然这仍然是个有威胁的战术 I just think that you have to be happier with that if you’re the Pacers than what they’ve seen through the three regular season games 我想对溜马队来说，这会是比例行赛中所看到的情况更值得开心的结果 [Benji] Yeah I I that’s why I mean if they do come out with Turner in game one and Ca itlyn you know the team better than anybody 没错，这也是我认为如果他们真的在第一场比赛就派Turner防守的话，Caitlyn，你比任 何人都更了解这支球队 to me that’s a huge win for New York 对我来说，这对纽约来讲将会是巨大的胜利 like however many possessions you can get to before Carlisle realizes he has t o make that switch is like a bonus 意思就是在Carlisle意识到他必须做出调整之前，你能抢到多少个回合都是额外的收获 cuz most teams have both the Pistons and the Celtics almost came out game one first possession in that kind of coverage 因为大部分球队，包括活塞和塞尔提克，几乎在第一场的第一个回合就采用了这种防守策 略 So that’ll be interesting 所以这将会很有趣 You know just kind of like a an offshoot of this of course is the is the Pacer s full-court pressure 当然，与此相关的另一个议题就是溜马队的全场压迫防守 like they are a team probably more than any team in the league that provides t hat that that 48-foot pressure 他们可能是联盟中最常使用全场48尺施压的球队 I am fascinated to see how the Knicks deal with that 我很好奇尼克队会如何应对这样的防守 What I thought was encouraging was in game six they started really they they t hey began having a concerted effort screening at half court for Brunson 我觉得鼓舞人心的是，在第六场比赛里，他们开始有意识地在半场附近为Brunson设立掩 护 whether it was Hart whether it was KAT to just try to free him up 无论是Hart还是KAT来做这个掩护，目的都是想让Brunson能够轻松摆脱压迫 How much does Brunson even bring up the basketball and deal with all that pres sure Brunson究竟会有多少时间自己持球过半场，应付这些防守压力？ that’s going to that’s going to wear him down and then McConnell comes in an d that that Pacers second wave comes in 这些全场压迫将会耗损他的体力，而当McConnell带领溜马第二阵容上场时 and they’ll also apply all that pressure 他们也会继续施加这样的压力 The Knicks right now are seven deep 尼克队目前实际上只用了七人轮替 So to me that’s kind of an interesting push and pull in the series 对我来说，这将是系列赛中一个非常有趣的攻防焦点 is how the Knicks deal with all that pressure the wear down on Brunson 也就是尼克队如何应付这种全场施压，以及Brunson的体力耗损问题 Does Josh Hart bring up the ball a little bit Josh Hart会稍微多一些持球过半场吗？ how do they free him with those step up those step-up screens high up the floo r 他们会如何透过半场以上的提前掩护让他摆脱防守？ what do you guys think there and how how are they going how do you think the K nicks should approach that to kind of break down that pressure a little bit 你们觉得呢？尼克队应该怎麽做才能有效地破解这种全场防守的压力？ [Caitlyn Cooper] I can tell you that the Pacers kind of have a tendency to go overboard with ov ers when teams counter with the three-quarter court and half-court screens 我可以告诉你们，当对手用四分之三场或半场的掩护来破解压迫时，溜马队往往会过度积 极地绕掩护 And sometimes that works in the offense’s favor 有时候，这反而会有利於进攻方 cuz if you’re giving up an odd-man advantage at three-quarter court 因为如果你在四分之三场就让进攻方获得多打少的优势 and Myles Turner sometimes they even have Myles Turner up at the level of thos e screens at half-court 而有时候，他们甚至会让Myles Turner站在半场掩护的高度防守 and he’s having to cover that much ground 他必须要负责很大的防守范围 So sometimes I’ve seen that be fairly effective 因此我有时候看到这种策略反而相当有效 They dialed some of that back against Milwaukee which I thought was to their b enefit 但他们在对上密尔瓦基时稍微减少了这种防守强度，我觉得这对他们有利 at least when Giannis was the bring-up ball handler 尤其是当Giannis自己带球过半场的时候 which will certainly be different in this matchup with what Brunson does 但这次面对Brunson肯定会有所不同 so well like when it’s not just using those screens it’s the fact that he ca n he can reject them Brunson并不只是使用那些掩护，他最厉害的是他经常能拒绝掩护，直接走另一边 he’s so good at that and get you now you’re off balance 他非常擅长这点，可以迅速让防守者失去重心 In game six you can watch I would say seven or eight drives happened just on h alf-court screens that he rejected 在第六场比赛里，大概有七、八次他的切入进攻，就是透过他拒绝半场掩护而产生的 and now the whole defense is trying to figure out who’s covering Is there goi ng to be a scram switch somewhere 然後整个防守端就必须赶紧重新调整，判断是否要进行即时换防 like how are they and they the Knicks got a ton of action out of that 而尼克队也因此制造了大量的进攻机会 I wonder I wonder if the Pacers will stay with it if the Knicks can counter 我很好奇，如果尼克队成功应对，溜马队是否会坚持继续这样的防守方式 and again like how much does Hart bring up the ball what what do you got on th at 再一次地，Josh Hart究竟会有多少持球过半场的机会？你们怎麽看这点？ [DJ Zullo] Yeah well I think it just it speaks to the overall like my big concern coming into the series 是啊，我觉得这其实呼应了我对这个系列赛最大的担忧 You mentioned seven guys and it I mean Cam Payne technically is in the rotatio n 你刚提到尼克目前只用了七人轮替，虽然技术上来说Cam Payne也在轮替名单里 but he’s he’s getting spot minutes in the first half if that 但他充其量也只是第一节短时间上场一下而已 and it just feels like considering the the amount of ball pressure 再考虑到溜马队所施加的防守压力 considering the the mental stress of having to get back on makes misses 还有进攻结束後马上就得退防的心理压力 and to do that in that gauntlet for 48 minutes a night playing seven guys 然後每晚要靠七人轮替去撑完整场48分钟的比赛 You talk about the ball pressure 你提到的防守压力这点 It feels like where this — how the Knicks hold up if this series is extended six seven games 这让我觉得，如果这系列赛真的拖到第六、第七战，尼克队是否撑得住？ Like what is this team going to look like towards the end of the series 到了系列赛尾声时，这支球队的状态会变成什麽样子？ and I think it’s — of all the things we can talk about 我觉得在我们讨论的所有问题中 the Knicks being at seven guys and the Pacers going you know 10-deep 尼克队只有七人轮替，而溜马却有十人轮替 and playing with that pace and that fervor for that extended amount of time 并且能以高节奏、高强度维持那麽长时间 It’s — of all the — it’s the the biggest question coming in 这应该是整个系列赛里最大的一个问题 Can the Knicks withstand that and how do they do it 尼克队到底能不能撑住？他们又该怎麽撑？ [Benji] I think it has to be some Brunson off ball 我觉得尼克必须让Brunson多一点打无球 I think the advantage of having those screens set at half court or even deeper 我认为，在半场甚至更远的地方设置掩护的一大好处是 is that you can — you can give Brunson a chance to get deep into the paint 你可以让Brunson更容易切入到禁区深处 which in the half court when the Knicks offense has bogged down 而当尼克的半场进攻陷入停滞时 it’s been a lack of gravity on the on-ball creator 问题常常出在持球进攻者无法吸引足够防守重心 whether it’s Bridges or whether it’s Brunson 无论是Bridges还是Brunson they need someone to get deep into the paint 他们需要有人能杀进禁区深处 Not a paint touch where you’re outside the restricted area 不是那种只踏进油漆区边缘的切入 Are you creating a reaction by the defense 而是你是否真的迫使防守做出反应？ If you are setting screens at half court and you’re playing odd-man or even f our-on-four 如果你在半场设掩护，制造出4打4或多打少的局面 I think you have a better chance with that sort of space to create those 你就有更多空间可以去创造机会 and that’s — that could be an advantage for the Knicks 而这可能是尼克队的一个优势 But again we saw the amount of driving Brunson had to do in the Indiana series last year 但我们也看过去年对印第安纳那一轮，Brunson需要切入的次数有多麽频繁 That’s a hard way to play 这样打真的很累 If you’re setting those screens up and then your big is now — whether it’s Towns or Hart — is pretty much out of the play 因为当你设掩护後，你的大个子（不管是Towns还是Hart）几乎都被挡在战术之外 You saw that with Hartenstein last year 去年Hartenstein就是这样的例子 You can set the screen there but now you’re effectively — your roll game is non-existent 你可以在那设掩护，但你的挡拆顺下根本无法启动 You can play Turner in a drop and you can corral and you can keep the big out of the play 溜马可以让Turner站在落位防守区，控制节奏，把大个子排除在战术之外 Now how Brunson can attack that — that’s where the Knicks will get the advan tage 现在关键在於Brunson怎麽破解这样的防守，这会是尼克能否占便宜的关键 But it is a hard way to play offense 但这样打进攻是很累人的 And if Brunson is driving that many times a night and it’s — it’s a lot of work 而如果Brunson每晚都要切入这麽多次，负担真的很重 then you wonder how that can withstand over a long series 那你就会怀疑，这样的打法是否撑得过一个长系列赛 I think that’s — that’s the biggest concern going into this for the Knicks from my perspective 这就是我个人认为尼克目前最大的隐忧 [Samson Folk] Yeah to that point I think it is a huge swing in the series 是啊，关於这点，我认为这会是这个系列赛中非常关键的一个变数 because the Knicks will be able to get opportunities with the ball in Brunson ’s hand 因为尼克队确实可以透过把球交给Brunson制造进攻机会 It’s just about the totality of it and it’s like can you do this repeatedly over the course of the game 但问题是这样的战术是否能够在整场比赛中持续执行下去 and also if you move the ball on to Hart like they — he might get pressed as well 而且如果你把球交给Hart带上来，他可能同样会被溜马施压 Like the Pacers throw guys — like there could be a few different guys who are still chasing him the whole time 因为溜马会派出不同的球员持续施压追防 And I do wonder if Brunson is able to be — like the efficacy of it is so good as you say 我确实想知道Brunson能不能真的 — 就像你说的那样，保持那样高的效率 like getting downhill seven eight times in the past game just like breaking do wn getting into the paint 就像他在上一轮比赛中那样，七八次直接杀进禁区，击溃防线 because of it with the screen rejects 尤其是因为他善於拒绝掩护的突破方式 Can he move the Pacers away from that 他能迫使溜马放弃这样的防守策略吗？ Do the Pacers take the long view regardless for the series 还是说溜马会从长期战略来看，坚持这套打法 How does that shake out 这会怎麽发展？ Really it gives them an advantage but it also does conform play into something that favors the Pacers 这种打法确实给了尼克一些优势，但某种程度上也正好符合溜马擅长的比赛节奏 [Benji] That’s what makes it such an interesting push and pull 这也正是让这场系列赛攻防拉锯如此有趣的原因 And it is an every-other-night series I think Right 而且这轮系列赛是隔天就要再打的节奏吧？ I don’t think there’s any — 我记得中间没什麽休息日—— [DJ Zullo] So that’s an interesting wrinkle here that um I certainly I think plays into the Pacers advantage 这也是一个很有趣的细节，我认为这肯定对溜马是有利的 I mean you never know with these things 当然这种事你永远无法百分百预测 but with the amount of minutes the Knicks guys are playing 但以尼克目前主力球员的上场时间来看 to play every single every other night with travel 还要每隔一天就打一场、而且还得搭飞机移动 it’s asking — it’s asking a ton 这真的太吃重了 It’s asking a ton from this Knicks roster 对这支尼克队来说，是极大的负担 [Benji] Uh Dee what’s your — what’s your big question for the series hit us DJ，你对这个系列赛最大的问题是什麽？来说说看吧 [DJ Zullo] Yeah so I think the double-big lineup for the Knicks — Towns and Mitch 我觉得尼克队的双塔阵容，也就是Towns和Mitch的组合 how effective can those two be against this Pacer team 对上溜马会有多大的效果？ and is there a specific lineup that you would unleash that against 有没有特定的对位组合你认为可以派出这两人？ um in terms of like how the Pacers are are playing it 就目前溜马的打法来说 you know I do worry about makes or misses — they’re pushing 我会担心进球或没进球之後，溜马都会快速推进 How does Mitch — how does Karl navigate that 那Mitch和Karl该如何应对这种节奏？ Are they getting matched up 他们能及时回防对上正确的人吗？ We have the the Mitch guarding seven eight ten players in one possession again st the Celtics 像是对上塞尔提克时Mitch一个回合要防七八个人的情况 That’s — that’s made the rounds 那个画面已经疯传了 That was an amazing performance by him in that single possession 那个回合他的防守表现真的太精彩了 but really the whole series of guarding in space 但这整个系列赛他在空间防守上的表现也都不错 But I do wonder about being able to play those guys — you know 10 minutes a n ight 但我会怀疑这两人是否真的能每场搭配打上10分钟 and being effective enough as offensive rebounders and as defenders in space 同时又能在进攻篮板与空间防守上都发挥足够效果 to really make it worth it 这样是否真的值得使用这套阵容？ And if not — because that’s a that was a huge advantage for them 否则的话…这本来应该是他们的一大优势 And it’s been that way for the playoffs 而且在季後赛中也一直是 They’re +13 in the minutes they’ve played 这两人在场时尼克队是+13的净胜分 If you can mitigate that advantage then I think it’s a problem for the Knicks 如果你能削弱这个优势，那对尼克来说就是个麻烦了 But you know the question I have is like can they be close to as effective aga inst this Pacer team 所以我的问题是：这两人对上溜马，能否延续对波士顿与底特律那样的效率？ as they were against Boston and as they were against Detroit 就像他们对波士顿与底特律时那样有效？ [Caitlin Cooper] I actually think that that could be an effective wrinkle 我其实认为这可能会是一个有效的变招 especially if they pair it — I would be very careful if I’m Tibs — to pair Mitch’s minutes with Obi Toppin’s 尤其是如果Tibbs教练能够谨慎地安排Mitch和Obi Toppin同时上场的时间 If you can get the double bigs out there when Myles and Obi are out there 如果你能在Myles Turner和Obi同时在场时打出双塔阵容 or if they’re going super small — like Siakam and Obi maybe 或者当他们打超小球，比如用Siakam和Obi搭配的时候 but if you can match it with Obi I think it could be effective 但如果你能针对Obi的上场时间派出这双塔，我认为会是有效的 Because here’s what I will tell people 因为我要提醒大家一件事 The best way to limit the Pacers’ pace is to attack the offensive glass 限制溜马节奏最好的方式，就是强攻进攻篮板 The Milwaukee Bucks would not do that 密尔瓦基公鹿队就不这麽做 It’s against Doc Rivers’s you know ethos as a coach to be sending multiple p layers to the glass 因为这违反了Doc Rivers教练的战术理念，他不会派太多人去冲抢进攻篮板 If you do that — that’s typically what affects them the most 但如果你这麽做，那往往是最能压制溜马节奏的方式 That’s why they looked as bad as they did against Cleveland 这也是为什麽他们对上骑士时看起来这麽挣扎的原因 when Cleveland had a 20-shot advantage against them 当时骑士队比他们多出手了20次 It will slow the pace — and also the basketball is the most important part of basketball 这不只会拖慢溜马节奏，而且「篮球最重要的是掌握球权」这句话永远没错 I say that a lot but it’s true 我常说这句话，因为这是真的 Especially too — I mean Mitchell Robinson opens up offensive rebounding oppor tunities for other players on the floor too 特别是Mitchell Robinson会为场上的其他队友创造更多进攻篮板机会 Cuz if you have to smash down to him now Josh Hart might get loose 因为如果你必须压缩防守去夹他，Josh Hart就可能空切得分 Now somebody else might on the perimeter might get loose 或者其他外围球员也可能趁机空档出手 And the other thing that I would say too is 另外我还想补充一点 his presence might impact how the Pacers are able to defend as well 他在场的存在，也可能改变溜马的整体防守方式 Because if they’re very concerned about the offensive rebounding opportunitie s that the Knicks can get 因为如果他们太在意尼克的进攻篮板机会 they’re not going to double Jalen Brunson 他们就不会敢对Jalen Brunson进行包夹 They may not even be that active doubling Karl-Anthony Towns in the post 他们甚至也不会那麽积极包夹低位的Karl-Anthony Towns Because they might think “We got to stay home” 因为他们会想：「我们得留在原位守住篮板」 “We’re not going to try playing zone on those possessions because there’s g oing to be too many holes” 「我们不能用区域联防，因为会有太多漏洞」 Like he could be a coverage predator — I don’t know what words you want to s ay 他可能会成为破坏防守布局的存在，我不知道该怎麽形容比较好 Coverage deterrent in terms of what the Pacers are able to put out there 总之他的存在会让溜马很多防守策略不敢使用 So I think it might be a little bit trickier if he’s out there when Siakam is 但如果他和Siakam同时在场，那情况可能就比较复杂了 Because Siakam is a crossmatch buster 因为Siakam是一个擅长打乱交叉对位的球员 And I’m guessing that they would probably try to put Mitchell Robinson onto S iakam 我猜他们大概会让Mitchell Robinson去防守Siakam and chance his shooting more than they’d be willing to chance Myles Turner’s shooting 宁愿赌Siakam的投篮，也不敢赌Myles Turner的 and having him guard the pick and pop 也不愿让他去防守Myles Turner的挡拆投篮 And Siakam can be pretty effective against those fives 而Siakam在对位这类中锋时其实表现很不错 And when he’s defended by fives they’ll just use him as the screener instead 当他被中锋防守时，他们就会让Siakam自己变成挡拆的掩护者 Like in game five against the Cleveland Cavaliers he set 26 screens for the Pa cers 就像第五战对骑士时，他帮溜马设了26个掩护 He was the most frequent screener for either team 是当场比赛两队中出现次数最多的掩护者 Which led to some pretty good things between he and Haliburton in the third qu arter 这让他和Haliburton在第三节打出不少好球 So that’s an aspect of it 这也是这整个对位策略中的一环 They’re very magnanimous with who they’re willing to use as a screener 他们在使用谁来设掩护这件事上非常灵活 and when — depending upon who’s out on the court and where their advantages are going to be 会根据场上人员以及可能的优势去做出调整 [Benji] Man, my guess would be that when Mitch is in there with Turner, he would guard Turner 我猜当Mitch跟Turner同时在场时，他会去防守Turner the same kind of way you thought that they’d start with Turner on KAT 就像你刚说他们可能让Turner一开始对位KAT那样的方式 Is that Tibs — although he’s gone a little less traditional in the last coup le series Tibbs这教练虽然最近几轮比赛在用人上稍微没那麽传统了 to all of our — we’re all so proud of him 我们大家对此都感到欣慰（笑） He’s a pretty traditional guy 但他基本上还是个蛮传统的教练 And so I don’t know if he’ll crossmatch to Siakam in that matchup 所以我不确定他会不会在这个对位中把Mitch调去守Siakam I actually would think to start he wouldn’t 我认为开场时他大概不会这麽做 But that’ll be an interesting wrinkle 不过这会是一个很值得关注的变化点 I mean — but to your point — Mitchell Robinson in the playoffs has now rebou nded over 20% of his team’s misses 不过，就像你刚提到的，Mitchell Robinson在季後赛的进攻篮板率已经超过了球队失手 投篮的20% And that is absolutely absurd 这数据简直夸张到不行 He’s rebounding a fifth of his team’s misses 他抓下了球队每五次失投中的一次篮板 And you saw it in the Boston series 你在对波士顿的系列赛中也看到这一点了 When he came in for Josh Hart, it was like — fascinating 当他替换Josh Hart上场时，效果立刻显现，令人惊讶 Because Mitchell Robinson literally can’t shoot a basketball 因为Mitchell Robinson基本上完全没有外线威胁 The gravity he had on those pick-and-rolls 但他在挡拆时所制造的「重力」（吸引力） Just getting to the dunker spot as a roller 只是顺下到篮下「灌篮区」这个动作 Allowed Brunson to play one-on-one 就让Brunson可以有一对一的空间去处理进攻 Whereas when Josh Hart was a screener — not — I mean he’s a good offensive rebounder obviously 相对地，当Josh Hart担任掩护者时，他虽然也是一个不错的进攻篮板手 But not a lob threat, not a — at-the-rim offensive rebounding threat 但他不是能接空抛的选项，也不是篮下的强力进攻点 More of a guy who crashes from the perimeter 他比较像是从外围冲进来抓篮板的类型 His guy was just draped all over Brunson 所以他防守的那个人就可以完全贴住Brunson He had nowhere to go 导致Brunson没什麽进攻空间 Couldn’t work one-on-one 无法发挥他一对一的能力 So Robinson has that gravity as an offensive rebounder 因此Robinson即使不是作为顺下得分手 Not even as — like less as a roller and more as an offensive rebounder 而是作为进攻篮板威胁时，他的吸引力仍然非常巨大 Which — you gotta stay attached to him on that baseline 也就是说，防守者必须一直黏住他，不能放他一人在底线 And that is — it’s interesting how — how that might 这点真的很有趣，因为这可能会进一步 How that might divert the matchups for the Pacers 改变溜马原本的防守对位配置 [Benji] Samson, anything on this — on this aspect? Samson，你对这部分有什麽看法吗？ [Samson Folk] I do — I do just want to kick it back 有的，我确实想回应一下 Is like — when you see, obviously, Mitchell Robinson pursues the glass 就是，当你看到Mitchell Robinson那种不懈追求篮板的方式时 But when you’re watching — this is the end goal 但你在观察的时候，你会想问：这样做的最终目的到底是什麽？ Is the best thing an isolation in like — just for Jalen Brunson to have room? 最好的结果，是给Jalen Brunson一个单打的空间吗？ Or what — like was Boston creative in creating any type of stoppage there? 还是说，波士顿是否有用创新的方式来阻断这一点？ Were there tags that like overloaded and they’re like 他们是不是采用一些协防策略，比如侧翼预判超载？ “You know what, we’re gonna let the weak side have something open and still contain Brunson”? 像是「我们愿意让弱边出现空档，但我们要守住Brunson」这种打法？ Or is it just like facing the front of the play constantly? 还是他们只是一直针对正面去施压？ Were there any other breakdowns that you guys were seeing 你们有看到其他的防守破绽吗 that Mitch was able to, I guess, bring for the Knicks? 是Mitch为尼克创造出来的机会？ [Benji] Yeah, I — to me it was — DJ you can speak to this also 对我来说是这样的，DJ你也可以补充 I think it was pretty front-facing 我觉得波士顿主要是从正面压迫 And it was like — because of the — Boston knew they had this 他们知道自己有优势 We can roam off Josh Hart anytime 我们随时可以从Josh Hart身上协防 And now Hart made them pay to some extent — which was very good 虽然Hart在某种程度上让他们付出了一点代价，这点很好 But I think it was almost like 但我觉得整体上 We can simplify everything else outside of that 他们把所有其他防守简化了 Which is why you didn’t see OG get many three — open threes 这也就是为什麽你几乎没看到OG有什麽空档三分机会 You didn’t see Male get open threes until really game six 你也没看到Miles Bridges有什麽空档三分，直到第六战才开始出现 When they made — got all those paint touches I talked about 当时他们开始真的打进禁区，才创造出那些空档 But to me it was like 但对我来说重点在於 We’re going to limit the catch-and-shoot threes for the quote-unquote “good shooters” 他们的策略是封锁所有纯射手的接球就投机会 We’re going to let Josh Hart have whatever he wants 让Josh Hart去投那些空档随便他 And then we can simplify it that way 这样一来整个防守轮转就可以变简单了 [DJ Zullo] I think that’s on point 我觉得你说得完全正确 And I think the Towns post-ups with Mitch in the opposite dunker has been a ni ce feature 我也觉得当Towns在低位单打、而Mitch站在对侧「灌篮区」时，是一个非常不错的进攻配 置 Because whether it’s Hart in the dunker or Hart spacing to the weak side corn er 不管是让Hart站灌篮区，还是拉到弱边底角空间 It just makes it harder for that big — the double from the baseline 这都会让防守的中锋更难从底线包夹过来 Which as I mentioned has been the primary mode of scheming against Towns post- ups 而这正是过去对付Towns低位单打时最常见的策略：从底线包夹 And then the Knicks have — they’re trying to lean into that 而现在尼克则试图在这上面做文章 You and I talked about this, Benji Benji，我们之前有聊过 Where you know Towns is setting a pin-in for Robinson 就是Towns帮Robinson设立「封阻掩护」（pin-in） To get to the other dunker spot 让Robinson能移动到另一侧的灌篮区 And that gives Towns — once he sets that dunker’s pin-in — really nice post position 而这个掩护设完後，Towns就能拿到非常好的低位位置 Which has been sort of a ongoing puzzle for the Knicks to solve 这也正是尼克队长期以来一直在寻找答案的问题 To almost force Towns to have solid position 他们要设法「强迫」Towns能进入理想的进攻位置 And that’s been nice 这个战术很奏效 And then you’re limited to how well and how much you’re going to double off those 而这也限制了防守端包夹的选择与效率 If Mitch is hanging out there — because if you’re coming over it’s an auto offensive rebound 因为如果Mitch就站在那边，你一包夹就会送给他一个进攻篮板机会 So it’s — it puts a lot of pressure on the person tasked with doubling 所以这会对执行包夹的那个人产生很大的压力 If they’re doubling from the baseline to really affect the Towns post-up 尤其是从底线包夹Towns的那种方式 So that’s why it is more of a — you know just the physical impact 这就是为什麽这整套配置带来的实质影响很大 That Robinson and the gravity he has on that weak-side dunker is really — 因为Robinson在弱边灌篮区的牵制力真的—— Has been impressive and nice for Towns and the offense as a whole 对Towns来说，以及对整体进攻来说都非常有帮助 Because you’ve seen drives too where Porzingis, Kornet — they’re not even c oming over to help 你也看到对上波尔辛吉斯或Kornet时，他们甚至不敢协防 Because they’re either face guarding or they’re trying their best to wrestle with Robinson 因为他们要嘛选择紧贴对位、要嘛努力卡住Robinson的位置 As the low-man defender — and it makes it — it just makes it much tougher 作为底线补防者，这样让他们的工作变得更加困难 So if they can — I think that could be something they get into 所以我觉得这会是尼克在进攻端能持续依靠的武器 Where offensively I think it’s — it’s going to work for the Knicks 我认为这样的进攻对尼克来说会很有效 How it works on the defensive end is where I think you’re going to get the fu ll impact on that double-big lineup 但防守端的效果，就会是双塔阵容好坏的关键判断点 And there’s a lot of concerns there 而这部分确实有很多疑虑 But offensively they’re starting to lean into some really good stuff for thos e two playing together 但在进攻上，他们已经开始找出让这两人同场发挥的好模式了 And I think it should carry over for the most part into the series 我认为这些优势多半能延续到这轮系列赛中 [Benji] Yeah, should — should be an interesting battleground there in terms of how mu ch — 是啊，那会是一个很值得关注的战场，特别是关於—— I don’t think that Rick Carlisle will be above going to hack-a 我不认为Rick Carlisle会排除使用「砍人战术」（Hack-a） Just as Joe Mazzulla wasn’t above going 就像Joe Mazzulla也会采用那样的策略一样 I don’t think that he will be 我不觉得Carlisle会避开这招 I’ve seen him do that in games 我看过他在比赛中这样做过 And they think that the rebounding concerns are that exaggerated 而且他们可能认为抢篮板的重要性没有大家说得那麽夸张 I don’t think he will be above it 所以我认为他是有可能使用的 I’m just saying that was such an interesting — it’s like a side point 我只是想说，那真的是一个很有趣的——算是支线观察 Like, the fact that Mazzulla went to it as a heavy favorite 像Mazzulla在被看好胜出的情况下也愿意这样做 And I — it’s not like — the psychological element of that was interesting t o me 那让我觉得其中的心理层面很有趣 I don’t know, it’s hard — it is something we can’t really know 我不知道，这不是我们能确切掌握的东西 But like, to go to something like that when you theoretically have the advanta ge in so many other areas of the game 但当你在其他层面理论上已经占优时，还愿意去使用这种战术 Was just an interesting — 这就非常值得玩味 And it’s not like the Knicks were scoring in the half court early in the seri es either 而且那系列赛初期，尼克在半场进攻也没什麽表现 So it wasn’t like the — the points per possession threshold is pretty low 所以他们的每次进攻得分其实并不高 And so to be like, well, Mitchell Robinson — your free throw is even lower 所以会有种感觉是：「Mitchell Robinson，你的罚球命中率还比这些进攻效率更低」 Now I don’t think that the Pacers necessarily have the same kind of tools in the half court defense that the Celtics had 当然我不认为溜马的半场防守工具箱有像塞尔提克那麽齐全 So maybe it’s even — it’s a better strategy for the Pacers 也许对溜马来说，这反而是一个更有利的策略 But the other thing it does to the Pacers is it takes away that pace a little bit 但这战术也会让溜马的比赛节奏被拖慢 Now you’re slowing the game down 现在你让比赛速度降下来了 Mitch is at the free-throw line Mitch要去罚球线上站着罚球 And I don’t know if that plays to their advantage 我不确定这是否真的对他们有利 So that’s — 所以这是—— [Caitlin Cooper] But you think — you think you’ll see some of it, Caitlin? 不过你觉得会看到这战术吗，Caitlin？ [Caitlin Cooper] I’ve seen him do it 我确实看过他这样做 I think that Jakob Poeltl took 17 free-throw attempts against them one time wh en they played the Spurs 我记得有一次对马刺时，Jakob Poeltl对他们罚了17球 I’ve seen it 所以我知道Carlisle是会用这一招的 [Benji] Not to bog us down in this too much 我不想让我们太陷在这个话题里 But we keep — we keep saying like “help from the bottom” or “double from t he bottom” 但我们一直在讲「从底线协防」或「从底线包夹」 What — what does it look like when Towns gets doubled from the top? 那麽，当Towns是从顶端被包夹时，会是什麽情况？ One pass away — what do you — like how — how is that process? 也就是从距离他一传之远的顶端包夹，那整个过程会是怎麽样？ And how do the Knicks form up off of that? 那尼克队的其他人会如何进行站位与支援？ [Benji] I mean it’s just an — it’s obviously an easier read for him 我的意思是，这种情况对他来说显然比较容易判读 I don’t think there’s a center or big in the NBA that can really make the do uble from the bottom read well 我不觉得现在联盟里有哪个中锋或大个子能真正处理好从底线来的包夹 I think there’s — I mean Jokic is the one 如果真的要讲的话，大概只有Jokic能做到 Cuz he — he doesn’t even have to turn 因为他甚至不用转身 He can have his back turned and he just throws it backwards 他背对着人都能直接把球往後抛出 Yeah, he just throws it backwards and it’s an alley-oop to Aaron Gordon 对，他就这样往後一扔，直接变成给Aaron Gordon的空中接力 [DJ Zullo] So I think for — generally speaking it’s just a harder — obviously a harder pass to make 所以整体而言，从底线来的包夹确实比较难处理，出球的角度与路线都更困难 Even when it’s coming from above the top of the key 即便是从顶端包夹，其实都还比较好应付 [Benji] His process — it’s — he can get the pass off 他的处理方式是——他能把球传出去没错 But it’s like he doesn’t — he’s not pre— he’s not — he’s not making th e pass like 但他并不是那种会预判提前出球的球员 When the defender is almost in the process of closing out 他总是在防守者已经开始逼近的时候才做决定 It’s almost like they’re preloaded and then they can close out in one direct ion 等於是防守方早就布局好，然後一下就能往特定方向包夹 [Samson Folk] And he’s so reluctant, Samson, and like — it’s the most frustrating thing 而且他真的很抗拒传出那种简单球，Samson，这真的很令人抓狂 Like when they do send that double, it’s like sometimes the most effective, e asiest pass 当对方包夹来了，最简单也最有效的选择往往是 That actually generates a three is just to throw it to the entry passer 传给当初把球传进低位的那个队友 Like — and then they swing it 然後再从那边开始传导 And he just doesn’t — he just wants to make a cool pass 但他偏偏不想，他只想做个花俏的传球 [Benji] I love him — hold the ball out with his right hand, hold it there 我爱他啦（笑）他会把球用右手单手举在空中，停在那边 And like he just wants to make a pass and spin around so badly 他真的很想那种帅气地传球然後转一圈 [DJ Zullo] And so I — it is better 所以我觉得——虽然顶端包夹是比较好处理 Like he’ll — he’ll find shooters out of that 他可以从那边找到射手 And then the Knicks do a nice job of cutting off of it too 而且尼克队的其他人也会从那个传球点做一些切入 Like Hart will come — they’ll dart in from the wing 像是Hart会从侧翼突然切进来 And he might get something out of that 然後有机会从中得分 Or someone will cover that cut and then the 45 cut 或者有防守者补上，他们再来个45度切入 And then someone will pop to the other side 接着又会有队友从另一侧跑出来接球 So like — they’ll get stuff out of that 所以说，这整套连动其实能创造不少机会 And I think it’s better than when they double from the baseline 我认为这比从底线包夹的效果好得多 But he’s not the best at reading even that 但就算如此，他的判断与传球选择还是不够快 [Caitlin Cooper] Pacers will — the Pacers prefer to double from the top 溜马队的习惯是从顶端包夹 That’s what they almost exclusively do 几乎一直都是这麽做的 They moved out of that against Giannis 不过在对上Giannis时他们有稍作调整 When they started using Gary Trent as the post-entry passer 当时他们用Gary Trent当作低位喂球者 And they started doubling from the weak side elbow instead 然後改从弱边罚球线附近进行包夹 But if Nesmith’s guarding Towns 但如果是Nesmith在防守Towns And they’re fronting Towns or they’re going to a three-quarter court front a gainst Towns 而他们是采取三分之四正面顶防策略 Then they will double from the bottom 那麽他们就会从底线来包夹 But that’s interesting 这点真的蛮有趣的 They typically — they typically double from the top though 不过他们通常还是从顶端开始包夹 [Benji] All right, cool 好，了解 [Samson Folk] It’s kind of funny — even just in the structure of everything 这真的蛮有趣的——就连战术整体的设计来看 It’s like, the team’s biggest fear is not always what the other team goes to 球队最害怕的事情，往往不是对手实际使用的战术 Or at least the fan base, right? 或者说，至少对球迷来说是这样，对吧？ Or the analysts are like, “This is bad,” and the other team is like, “We ac tually don’t think it is.” 或是分析师们说「这样很糟」，但对手反而觉得「其实没什麽问题」 [Samson Folk] But to switch it — because a lot of this has kind of been like 不过换个话题好了，因为我们前面聊了很多 “How do the Knicks or how do the Pacers try and solve the Knicks defensively ” 都是在谈尼克该怎麽防，或溜马该怎麽破解尼克的防守 There is a bunch of stuff — obviously the Pacers are one of the best push-pac e teams and transition teams 但其实溜马在快攻和推进节奏上是联盟最强的球队之一 But they were — one of the best, at least in the playoffs so far, at scoring in the half court 而且至少在季後赛目前为止，他们的半场进攻效率也名列前茅 [Samson Folk] I’m interested — who is guarding Tyrese Haliburton? 我很好奇——谁会负责防守Tyrese Haliburton？ What type of screening actions do we see? 我们又会看到什麽样的掩护战术？ Is OG Anunoby equivalent to Dean Wade? OG Anunoby在这个对位中会像Dean Wade那样吗？ Like all of this kind of stuff 这些问题我都很想知道 [Samson Folk] I want to start there 我想从这里开始谈 Like one — I guess I’ll ask you, Benji, first 首先我来问你，Benji Who do you think is guarding Tyrese? 你觉得谁会去防Tyrese Haliburton？ And who do you think will be their most common screener? 你又觉得溜马最常用的掩护者会是谁？ To try and — I guess — loosen him up 来帮Haliburton制造空间 [Benji] I think Bridges will start on Tyrese 我认为一开始是Bridges去防守Tyrese And I think it’s more — it’s less because Bridges is the best matchup for T yrese 这倒不是说Bridges是最适合防守Tyrese的人 And more because I think they’re going to need OG on Siakam 而是因为他们需要让OG去对位Siakam [Benji] To try to eliminate that pressure point 想要封锁住溜马进攻上的压力点 Because I think the Knicks pick-and-roll coverage is such an — inconsistent e nough 因为我觉得尼克在挡拆防守上的表现非常不稳定 That if you have the pick-and-roll pressure point 所以如果你让他们同时面对挡拆压力 And you have a Siakam post-up pressure point 又有Siakam在低位发动进攻这个压力点 They’re just going to break down 那他们的整个防线就会崩溃 [Benji] Like they need to be able to say 尼克必须要有能力去决定： “You want to throw the ball to Siakam there? We’re just going to play it one -on-one.” 「你要把球塞给Siakam？那我们就一对一守他」 And then the pick-and-roll stuff we’ll have to sort out 而挡拆部分则另外想办法处理 So I just think that’s where — that’s how they’ll start 所以我觉得他们会从这个方式开局 With Bridges on Haliburton 由Bridges去守Haliburton [Benji] Because I think that they’re going to start traditionally with KAT on Myles T urner 因为我认为他们会用传统对位方式，让KAT去守Myles Turner I would certainly anticipate that the most common screener will be Myles Turne r 我也很确定溜马最常使用的掩护者会是Myles Turner Both because you’re now testing the Knicks in terms of whether you want to sw itch, you want to drop 一方面你可以测试尼克的防守选择——是要换防还是退防 What do you want to do? You want to blitz Haliburton? 你是要包夹Haliburton吗？ I think blitzing is probably the worst idea on Haliburton 我觉得对Haliburton来说，包夹可能是最糟的选择 Because now you’re in the blender 因为这样做你会陷入溜马的传导旋风里 He hits the pocket, plays just — moves the ball so well and so quickly 他会传给挡拆空档，然後整个球的流动会非常迅速顺畅 The Knicks don’t rotate all that well when Brunson and KAT are both on the fl oor 当Brunson和KAT同时在场时，尼克的防守轮转其实做得不太好 Don’t think they can cover out of that 我不觉得他们有能力从那样的处境中补防成功 [Benji] So I think you’ve got to choose or mix it up between drop and switch 所以我觉得你必须在退防与换防之间选择，或是混合使用 And kind of see how it goes 然後再依照比赛进行的状况调整 But I would anticipate Myles Turner being the most common screener 但我认为最常出现的掩护者会是Myles Turner With a dose of whoever Brunson’s guarding 另外一种选择是让Brunson所防的球员来设掩护 Probably Nesmith to start 一开始可能是Nesmith [Benji] Although I know, Caitlin — I know we talked about this last season 不过我记得Caitlin，我们去年也聊过这件事 Nesmith — the worst kind of intuitive screener on the team Nesmith是整支球队里最不会自然挡人的球员（笑） So I know the Pacers don’t love to go to that 所以我知道溜马也不太喜欢用这种设掩护方式 Which is perhaps why they’ll start Brunson on Nesmith more than anything else 这也可能是他们让Brunson去守Nesmith的原因 Because they want to maybe force the Pacers into that action 可能想要逼迫溜马去发动一个比较低效率的挡拆 [DJ Zullo] What do you think, DJ? 你怎麽看呢，DJ？ [DJ Zullo] Yeah, I agree 100% in terms of how they start 我完全同意你对开局对位的分析 And then just really fascinated to see 接下来我最有兴趣看的就是 Because the Knicks got all this — they had a great look at and practice final ly switching 因为尼克队已经从上一轮开始大量演练、实战练习换防 And trying to play and keep the switch matchup in front 并尝试守住每一个换防後的对位 Now with Boston, as good as those guys are at breaking the defense down and ge tting to pull-ups and step-backs 虽然波士顿的球员擅长击破防线并出手後撤跳投 You really don’t have to worry about the pass 但你不太需要担心他们会传球给空档队友 [DJ Zullo] So the Knicks were — and this is where they really benefited 所以尼克也因此从中获益 Where they can load up and you weren’t worried about Tatum hitting the weak s ide corner 他们可以收缩防守，而不用太担心Tatum把球转到弱边底角 Whereas Haliburton, I think is even — you know 但Haliburton就完全不一样了 I think he’s probably better at getting into the paint off the switch 我认为他在换防後切入禁区的能力甚至比Tatum更强 [DJ Zullo] And then you have the added issue of him finding the pressure point as a passe r quickly 然後还有一个问题是他能很快找到防守破口并出球 And you’re automatically in a really tough position as a defense 那防守方就会立刻陷入劣势 So how much they go to the switching scheme is really interesting 因此尼克会多常采用换防策略是本轮的重要看点 [DJ Zullo] And on top of that, now you’re asking Karl-Anthony Towns to play some drop, s ome switching, some higher shows 再加上，现在你还要要求Karl-Anthony Towns去做退防、换防，甚至是高位干扰 And now you have all these different things that he’s got to mentally sort of process 这些不同的防守方式，他都得在场上迅速判断并处理 Whereas against Boston, primarily it was like, “Here’s what we’re doing” 而对上波士顿时，防守策略就很单纯：「我们就这样守」 And even then, he sort of like dropped the ball in a few games — a few posses sions 即便如此，他在几场比赛、几个回合中还是出现了漏防 [DJ Zullo] I think you have to simplify things for him 我认为你必须帮他把防守简化 But I just don’t know — against this Pacer offense, can you do that? 但我不确定，面对溜马这样的进攻体系，你能不能这麽做？ Like he might have to just have five or six things that he’s going to have to process on every possession 他每一个回合可能都得在脑中跑过五六种判断 Like “Here are our principles, here’s what we’re trying to do” 例如「这是我们的基本原则、这是我们这回合要执行的策略」 But can he kind of go through the checklist in his head and then execute those ? 但他能否在场上真的跑完脑中的流程并且做出正确执行？ Nope 我觉得不太可能 [Benji] Right, so that’s the — 对，这正是重点所在—— [DJ Zullo] Right, so that’s the thing 对，这就是问题 And I agree with you, Benji 我赞同你的说法，Benji And that’s where I think it’s going to be very problematic for the Knicks 这正是我觉得尼克会出现大问题的地方 If you’re going to ask — and Allen had a tough time 如果你要要求Towns去做这些判断——而连Jarrett Allen都很挣扎 [DJ Zullo] Yeah, it’s — it’s so hard 没错，这真的很困难 And I just — I don’t — I thought he impressed me offensively 我必须说，我认为他在进攻端的表现其实是让人眼睛一亮的 In terms of scoring and producing in the ecosystem that was not designed to ta ke advantage of his skill set 在一个不是专为他量身打造的进攻体系中，他还是能拿分、做出贡献 I thought he came out of that with some really good things he can carry over o ffensively 我觉得他从那样的限制中，仍找出可以延续发挥的好习惯 [DJ Zullo] But since Game 1 of Detroit, I think the defensive performance from Towns has been really spotty at best 但从对底特律第一场开始，我认为Towns在防守端的表现顶多是勉强合格，有时还很不稳 定 And that — of all the things we’re talking about 而这件事——在我们讨论的所有议题中 Like how is he holding up and dealing with all the different things he’s goin g to have to mentally navigate 关於他如何承受压力并应对这麽多战术任务 Saying nothing about the physical limitations 还不提他身体上的防守局限呢 Man, I don’t — I don’t know 老实说，我真的不知道他能不能胜任 I’m — I’m interested to see how he handles it 我会很有兴趣观察他怎麽应对 But I’m really concerned about it 但我对此真的很担忧 [Benji] Caitlin? Caitlin？ [Caitlin Cooper] I have a lot of thoughts here 我这边想法很多（笑） A lot of things have been said 刚刚大家说了很多重点 [Caitlin Cooper] So, blitz is not a good solution for the New York Knicks to play against Tyres e 先说结论：对纽约尼克来说，包夹Tyrese Haliburton不是好主意 It might look like it by the box score 从数据来看好像没问题 And there might be some people that will be like “Tyrese only attempted five shots, this is terrible!” 你可能会看到有些人说：「Tyrese才出手五次，这太糟了！」 [Caitlin Cooper] I can tell you that when Tyrese passes out of a blitz 但我可以告诉你，当Tyrese面对包夹後传球时 They are more effective than the number one pick-and-roll offense in the NBA b y a wide margin 溜马整体进攻效率会远高於联盟最佳的挡拆球队 So I don’t — I would not recommend that 所以我不会建议采用这种策略 I’ll just put it that way 就这样说吧：别这麽做 [Caitlin Cooper] Switching is still the best thing to do against him 对付他最好的办法仍然是换防 Weak-to-switch actually the best thing to do against him 从弱侧发起的换防其实是对他最有效的策略 [Caitlin Cooper] The best thing to do against him is to use like Deuce McBride, face guard him the whole length of the court 最好的方式就是派像 Deuce McBride 这样的球员全场贴身看管他 Try to force him left and then try to switch it 强迫他往左边打，然後在适当时机进行换防 That is what I would say is still probably the best 我认为这仍然是最有效的方案 [Caitlin Cooper] That being said, this playoff run is the best that I’ve seen Tyrese be at att acking switches 话虽如此，这次季後赛是我看过 Tyrese 对换防应对得最好的一次 Not only just with how good he is at pre-reading — like a scram 不只是他对於「拆弹换防」（scram switch）这类提前预判的能力 And playing through the weak-side corner with his preemptive reads 还有他从弱边底角提前观察再做出行动的能力 [Caitlin Cooper] But also with his ability to drive those switches 还包括他突破换防球员的能力 By the end of Game 5, Jarrett Allen wasn’t on the floor anymore 到了第五战结尾时，Jarrett Allen 都已经不能再上场了 Because they had bothered him enough 因为他们已经把他消耗得够多了 [Benji] And when he’s making his step-back, Caitlin, it’s like literally impossible 而当他投进那种後撤跳投时，Caitlin，那真的几乎无解 [Caitlin Cooper] I mean once he’s — and then he was making them late in that series 当他进入状态，尤其在系列赛後段开始连投连进时 And it’s like, what do you do? 你根本不知道该怎麽防 Left or right crossover, now he’s in the paint 左边右边交叉运球，然後一下就切进禁区了 [Caitlin Cooper] That being said though, the Pacers scored 1.162 against the Knicks in drop thi s year 但话说回来，溜马今年面对尼克的退防策略，场均每次进攻得分是1.162 So they absolutely cooked the Knicks with Karl Towns playing drop 也就是说，当Karl Towns打退防时，溜马完全摧毁了尼克的防守 [Caitlin Cooper] So the one thing too is — and the defense was better for the Knicks in Game 5 against Boston 还有一点，尼克在对波士顿第五战的防守表现是有提升的 But in Game 4, it was somewhat telling to me 但在第四战，他们的表现让我看出一些端倪 [Caitlin Cooper] Because when Tatum’s no longer available to play 当Tatum不能上场後 The Celtics had their highest volume of passes per 100 of any game in that ser ies 塞尔提克的每百回合传球次数是全系列赛最高的一场 [Caitlin Cooper] The Knicks switched more than they had in any game in that series 而尼克那场比赛的换防次数也是整个系列赛中最多的 And they gave up 1.362 points per possession 结果他们每个回合被得了1.362分 [Caitlin Cooper] In part because the Celtics were running more movement actions to beat those s witches 其中一个原因，是塞尔提克开始用了更多跑位战术来破解换防 It was more ghost screening 他们用了更多「空掩护」（ghost screen） It was more stack screens 还有重叠掩护（stack screen） [Caitlin Cooper] These are things that are very key elements of the Pacers’ offense 这些正好是溜马进攻中非常关键的元素 Particularly the ghost screening stuff 尤其是空掩护这一套 That the Knicks seem to be somewhat confounded by 而尼克似乎对此颇为困扰 [Caitlin Cooper] So I guess my follow-up question to this would be 所以我接下来的问题是 Because I have not seen it happen in a game, but I’m guessing it likely has 虽然我没在比赛中亲眼看到，但我猜他们应该有做过 How often do they put OG Anunoby on the five? 他们会把OG Anunoby摆去防五号位的情况有多常见？ Would they consider putting OG on Myles Turner? 他们会考虑让OG去守Myles Turner吗？ Not enough 这种情况太少了 [Benji] Yeah, has it happened in this — so like, against the Horford–Porzingis lineu ps? 对，那这一轮有出现吗？比如对上Horford和Porzingis搭配的阵容？ I mean, depending on how you want to define that 这也取决於你怎麽定义那些对位 They had OG at times on Porzingis and KAT on Horford 有时候他们会让OG守Porzingis，让KAT去守Horford But that’s not — you know, they’re both kind of stretch fives 但说真的，他们两个其实都算是外围型中锋 [Benji] They don’t do it 他们其实并不常这样做 They don’t do it 真的很少 They barely do it 几乎没这麽用过 [Benji] Now, early in the season there were a couple of matchups 不过在球季初，有几场比赛的对位中 I’m trying to remember which one was like, “Oh, here they go, Tibs has OG on the five.” 我记得曾经有一场让我想说：「喔喔，Tibs竟然让OG去打五号位了。」 But it has barely happened 但那真的非常罕见 [Benji] And as much as I wonder about — I guess the other issue I have with that cros smatch 虽然我很想看到这种交叉对位，但我对这样的配置还有一个疑虑 If Towns is on Siakam 如果Towns去守Siakam的话 I feel like Siakam is particularly effective at drawing fouls 我觉得Siakam特别擅长制造犯规 In the exact way that KAT is susceptible to committing them 而这正好就是Towns最容易犯规的那种情境 [Benji] It’s like the lunges, the quick stops 就像是突然加速、急停这种动作 Like, I just — there’s going to be a lot of hip checks 我真的觉得Towns会因此出现很多「撞人」的犯规 And Siakam, to his credit, is really good at kind of feeling that 而Siakam很厉害的一点就是他能感觉到这些动作的时机 And then lunging out and drawing those fouls 然後主动制造身体接触来博得犯规 [Benji] It terrifies me 这点真的让我很担心 And he already had four fouls in every game against Boston 而且他对波士顿几乎每场都背着四次犯规 Like, it is going to be an issue 这肯定会是个问题 He will be in foul trouble — whether we like it or not 不管我们喜不喜欢，他都会陷入犯规麻烦 [Benji] So maybe — maybe it doesn’t actually matter who he guards 所以也许最後他守谁都一样，结果不会差太多 But the Siakam part of it scares me 但Siakam这点真的让我有点怕 [Benji] The ability to shoot and then drive the closeout 他能先拉开空间投篮，然後再切入攻击补防者 And then Towns trying to reconnect to the drive Towns要从後头补上防守 Is like — just a recipe for fouling disaster 这整个过程简直是犯规悲剧的剧本 [Benji] So I don’t — I just don’t think they’re going to go to it a lot for those reasons 所以我不觉得他们会大量使用这种对位组合，基於这些原因 And just — Tibs being Tibs 而且你知道的，Tibs就是Tibs（保守派） [Benji] But I don’t know — D, what do you think? 但我不确定啦，D，你怎麽看？ [DJ Zullo] I don’t think they’re going to go to it at all, to be honest with you 老实说，我认为他们根本就不会这样做 [DJ Zullo] So I think we’re going to get sort of what we’ve been seeing 所以我觉得我们会看到他们延续之前的阵容配置 And it just puts a lot of pressure on Towns 而这就会给Towns带来很大的压力 To hold up in ways that he hasn’t consistently shown that he can do for a pla yoff series 让他必须做出那些他在季後赛整个系列赛中从未持续稳定展现过的防守 [DJ Zullo] He does it in spurts 他偶尔能做到一点点 But again, there are times where you’ll get the fanbase screaming 但你还是会常常看到球迷在怒吼 “Why is he in drop? Why is he in drop?” 「为什麽他又在退防？为什麽不换防？」 [DJ Zullo] Well, because he just decided on that possession 这是因为他在那个回合自己做了决定 That he wasn’t going to get to the level of the screen 决定不跟到掩护者的高度去协防 And now he’s got to play drop 所以他只好後退 And you’re giving up Tatum open threes on a pull-up 结果就让Tatum有空档跳投 [DJ Zullo] So there’s so many times where he is actively — 所以他经常会—— He’s actively going against the designed scheme 他常常主动去违背教练的防守设计 In ways that you can see by how the person guarding the ball reacts 从球场上守球人惊讶的反应就看得出来 [Benji] I say he’s passively going against the designed scheme more than actively 我觉得他其实比较像是「被动地」在破坏防守策略，不是主动的 [DJ Zullo] Yeah — so that’s the — and it’s just — 对，所以这是问题，而且—— He mentally — it’s just hard for him to engage 他在心理层面很难长时间集中注意力 In a way that — where he’s locked in for 38 minutes a night 很难像其他人那样，一场比赛能保持38分钟的专注防守 [DJ Zullo] So that’s — that’s going to be the — where I think 所以我认为，这将是整个系列赛的—— Of all the swing moments of this series or swing performances 在所有可能左右胜负的时刻或球员表现中 Like how he’s guarding the ball as a screen defender is going to be huge 他作为挡拆防守者的表现会是非常关键的一环 [Benji] So Caitlin, assuming that’s not the case — assuming that OG doesn’t get any time 所以Caitlin，假设情况不是这样——假设OG根本没有被摆上去守五号位 Is there something you think the Knicks can do — anything? 你认为尼克还有其他什麽调整可以做的吗？ [Benji] I mean, OG on the five to me is a good idea in a vacuum, at least in some part s of the game 我的意思是，在理论上、或者在某些时间点，让OG打五号位其实是一个不错的选项 I just don’t think they’re going to go there 但我就是不觉得他们真的会这样做 [Caitlin Cooper] I actually don’t think it’s probably going to be that good of a solution 其实我也不觉得这会是一个多麽有效的方案 Because if they put OG on Myles Turner, they’ll just screen with Pascal inste ad 因为如果你把OG拿去守Myles Turner，溜马只会改让Pascal来做挡拆掩护 It’s like I said — they’ll just use Pascal as their screener more frequentl y 就像我刚说的，他们会更频繁地让Pascal来做掩护者 And Myles will just space to the ball-side corner 而Myles Turner就会拉开到靠近球的底角去拉空间 [Caitlin Cooper] Yeah, but the two things that I would say that you might have a chance with 不过我觉得还是有两个方案可能有效 But I do not know how long it would take Tibs to be willing to do them 但我不确定Tibs要花多久才愿意尝试 [Caitlin Cooper] Is have a “change of heart,” quote-unquote 就是所谓的「改变初衷」 And start Deuce McBride instead of Josh Hart 让Deuce McBride取代Josh Hart进入先发 [Caitlin Cooper] Because one way or another — no matter which way the Pacers start 因为不管溜马怎麽开局 The Josh Hart possession is either going to be — what I think they might ulti mately get to Josh Hart的对位可能会变成——我认为他们最终会选择的方式 Which is Myles Turner providing passive size at the basket 也就是Myles Turner在篮下提供被动的体型威胁 And roaming off, with Nesmith doing the Karl-Anthony Towns crossmatch 然後自己去补防，由Nesmith去对位Towns [Caitlin Cooper] But even if it isn’t that, then it’s going to be Pascal roaming off of him 但即使不是这样，那也会是Pascal从他身上去补防 Which is Pascal’s most natural defensive role 而这正是Pascal最擅长的防守角色 [Caitlin Cooper] Or it’s going to be a hiding spot for Tyrese Haliburton 或者这会变成Tyrese Haliburton的藏身之地 Those are the three things that are possible if he’s in the starting lineup 只要Josh Hart还在先发阵容中，这三种情况都可能发生 [Caitlin Cooper] That becomes a little bit more difficult, as we saw in the series last year 但如果是换成Deuce McBride，就会比较难出现这些状况，就像去年系列赛看到的那样 If Tyrese is guarding Deuce McBride 如果Tyrese去守Deuce McBride He can’t do the whole “I’m going to show and recover” 他就不能用那种「佯装协防再快速补位」的方式 And then just peel off to the perimeter 然後再轻松回外围 With somebody else taking Josh Hart rolling to the basket 让其他人去接手防守Josh Hart切入 [Caitlin Cooper] It’s a little bit harder to navigate like empty pick-and-pop actions 这让溜马更难防范像Brunson和McBride之间的空档挡拆投射 Between Brunson and McBride if Tyrese is the screener defender 如果Tyrese是挡拆的防守者，那会让他们防守起来吃力很多 So that alone gives you some incentive to do it 光是这点就值得Tibs考虑调整阵容 [Caitlin Cooper] But also like — as much as I respect OG Anunoby as a defender, which I do imm ensely 而且尽管我非常尊敬OG Anunoby的防守能力，我真的非常尊敬 I wanted him to play for the Indiana Pacers 我曾经还希望他能来溜马打球 I don’t think he’s the ideal Tyrese Haliburton matchup 但我不认为他是对位Tyrese Haliburton的理想人选 [Caitlin Cooper] There’s a reason why Nick Nurse didn’t have OG Anunoby ever guard Tyrese Nick Nurse当初从不让OG去守Tyrese是有原因的 Darko didn’t have OG Anunoby guard Tyrese Darko（Raptors现任教练）也从没让OG去守Tyrese [Caitlin Cooper] I think that if you can have somebody face-guarding Tyrese the full length of the floor 我觉得，如果你能派一个球员全场紧贴防守Tyrese Despite the fact that this did not work for Cleveland 尽管这招在克里夫兰那边失败了 I think I would feel a little bit better 但我会觉得比较安心一点 [Caitlin Cooper] And as much as I like and appreciate Andrew Nembhard 虽然我很欣赏也很感激Andrew Nembhard It will shift more of the offense to Andrew Nembhard and to Myles Turner 这会让更多进攻责任转移到他和Myles Turner身上 [Caitlin Cooper] If that’s what you do — despite the fact that Andrew Nembhard and Myles Turn er 如果你选择这样的防守方式——尽管Andrew Nembhard与Myles Turner Are a top-four pick-and-roll combination right now 目前是全联盟前四的挡拆组合 That’s how good they have been 他们真的打得非常好 [Caitlin Cooper] So I guess my long-term thing here is 所以我对这件事的长远看法是 I don’t think there’s a lot of good answers for how you stop the Pacers offe nse 对於如何阻止溜马的进攻，其实没有太多好办法 I really don’t 我真的这麽觉得 [Caitlin Cooper] And the one that I think is the main one 而我认为唯一可行的 Is something that the Knicks coach is very resistant to doing 偏偏就是尼克教练最不愿意做的事情 [Benji] So it’s — you know, they actually did play the lineup in Game 6 for a certai n amount of minutes 不过他们在第六战的确曾让那套阵容上场几分钟 Which they hadn’t — I mean, I know I haven’t — I don’t have it in front o f me 他们之前几乎没这样排过——我手上没有数据 In terms of the total minutes that lineup has played in the playoffs 不过那套阵容在季後赛的总出场时间 With Deuce in Hart’s place — but it is very, very small 是让Deuce McBride取代Josh Hart，但时间非常非常少 [Benji] And the regular season is very, very small 例行赛时也几乎没这样排过 Despite it being the only true five-out lineup the Knicks can play 尽管这是尼克唯一真正能打的五外阵容 Which theoretically should unleash Karl-Anthony Towns to be his best self 理论上这可以让KAT完全解放自己 Which you would think would be important 你会觉得这对球队来说很重要 [Benji] Considering the investment you made in Karl-Anthony Towns when you traded for him 毕竟你在交易时为他付出那麽多代价 But they haven’t done it 但他们却没这麽做 [Benji] Um, and — and it would accomplish multiple things 而且，这样的调整可以同时达成很多目的 Now, Hart’s been very good defensively in the playoffs 当然，Josh Hart在季後赛的防守表现真的很好 But you know, Deuce gives you that element of ball pressure 但Deuce McBride能带来全场压迫防守这个元素 Screen navigation the Knicks don’t really have on the roster outside of him 他是尼克阵中唯一拥有优秀挡拆穿越能力的球员 He is the best at it on the team 他是队上最擅长这项技术的人 [Benji] You add the fact that you now actually force teams to make a decision 而且这样一来，你会迫使对手做出艰难选择 As to whether their center should or can or has to guard Karl-Anthony Towns 决定他们的中锋是否应该、能不能，或必须去守KAT Because there’s shooting actually all over the floor around him 因为当场上四个人都有外线能力时 [Benji] But the Knicks just haven’t done it 但尼克就是迟迟不这麽做 Now maybe because they did it in Game 6 a little bit 也许第六战小试牛刀之後 Maybe — maybe we’ll see more of it 我们会看到更多尝试 [Benji] And I — I’ve said throughout the playoffs 我整个季後赛期间都在说这件事 It hasn’t happened yet because a lot of wild reasons 至今没发生是因为各种奇怪的原因 And we’re all amazed the Knicks are even where they are 我们也都对尼克能走到这里感到惊讶 [Benji] There’s going to come a point in a series 但这个系列赛会有个时刻出现 Where Tibs is going to actually have to ask himself Tibs会不得不问自己一个问题 If he must take Josh Hart off of the floor 他是否真的要把Josh Hart从场上撤下 [Benji] And it’s going to take — for him 对他来说 Because he loves Josh Hart as much as he does 因为他太爱Josh Hart了 And for a lot of good reasons 而且有很多正当理由 It’s going to take a lot of desperation 他会需要极大的压力与危机感才会这麽做 [Benji] But I just feel like at some point 但我总觉得某个时间点 Whether it’s this series, whether maybe it’s the next 不管是这一轮，还是下一轮 At some point he’s going to have to actually make that decision 他终究得下这个决定 [Benji] And it just hasn’t happened yet 但目前还没有发生 But it — it’s — it’s been — 但这一直都是—— [Benji] It’s been a problem in Knicks land for the whole season 这整季在尼克队就是个老问题 In terms of that lineup getting very little play 就是那个五外阵容几乎没有任何上场时间 [Caitlin Cooper] Seven minutes, by the way, in the playoffs for that group 顺带一提，季後赛这套阵容总共只打了七分钟 [Samson Folk] Big time sample size 真是超大量样本啊（笑） [Benji] That’s wild to me 这真的太夸张了 [Caitlin Cooper] That’s wild 真的很疯狂 [Benji] It’s insane 疯狂到不可思议 [Caitlin Cooper] It doesn’t go around the whole season 整个赛季都是这样 [Caitlin Cooper] It’s — it’s just — 真的就是—— [Benji] And the Knicks don’t play any zone either, do they? 而且尼克也完全不打区域防守，对吧？ [Caitlin Cooper] Zero 完全没有 [Benji] Cause that’s really — that one out-of-bounds play they did 就只有那一次底线边线发球时的布阵 They had a 1-3-1 for one 那一球用的是1-3-1站位 [Caitlin Cooper] No, there was one in Game 6 also 不，还有一次在第六战也用了 [Benji] Yeah, two total 1-3-1 zones against the baseline out-of-bounds 对，整个季後赛就只用了两次1-3-1区域防守，还是边线发球的时候 [Caitlin Cooper] But otherwise there’s been zero possessions total in the season 除此之外整季一个完整区域防守回合都没有 [Caitlin Cooper] And the Pacers have figured some stuff out about that 不过溜马其实也针对区域防守准备过几招 But the offensive rebounding at the zone 但对区域防守来说，溜马在进攻篮板上的表现 Was really the only reason they lost a game to Cleveland 几乎是他们输给克里夫兰的唯一原因 [Caitlin Cooper] Otherwise that probably would have been a sweep 不然那系列可能会是场横扫 [Samson Folk] But Samson, go ahead 不过Samson，你继续说吧 [Samson Folk] A lot of you guys have been spending a lot of time shopping at the Raptor stor e 你们这群人最近都常常跑去逛暴龙队商店吧 And it sickens me 我真是看了都要吐了（笑） [Samson Folk] These two teams — it sickens me, I have to say 这两支球队能打成这样，我真的……唉，不得不说，我心里很不是滋味（笑） [Benji] Yeah, yeah 哈哈哈，对对对 [Samson Folk] It’s fascinating, you know 但这真的很有趣 Like the most encouraging thing about the Knicks’ performance in Game 6 to me 就我而言，尼克第六战表现最让人鼓舞的地方是 Because Game 5 was a disaster 因为第五战他们真的打得一团糟 [Samson Folk] Caitlin, to your point — in terms of navigating ghost screens, quick actions Caitlin，就像你说的，他们面对空掩护和快速移动的反应 That the Celtics suddenly realized they had to run 突然之间，塞尔提克才意识到这些战术该用了 [Samson Folk] Of course, if the Celtics had been running that since Game 1 但如果塞尔提克从第一战就这样打的话 We wouldn’t be here right now 我们现在就不会坐在这里讨论了 [Samson Folk] I don’t know if it would have taken it to Game 7 也许那系列根本不会拖到第七战 I don’t know what would’ve happened 也不知道会变成什麽样子 But certainly, the Celtics win one if not both of Game 1 and 2 但至少第一或第二战，塞尔提克应该会赢其中一场，甚至两场全拿 [Samson Folk] If they realized isolating after a switch is not the only option 如果他们早就知道换防後不该只打单打，而有别的选择 And we can run another ghost screen 像是多打一个空掩护 We can run two more ghost screens 甚至连打两个空掩护 [Samson Folk] If you get the Knicks moving and making decisions 只要你能让尼克队的防线动起来、做出决策 That’s how you defeat them 那才是破解他们的方式 [Samson Folk] And the Pacers of course do that more than any other team in the league 而这正是溜马比联盟其他任何球队都做得更好的地方 Which is why in some ways, it’s a very good matchup for the Pacers against th e Knicks defensively 这也是为什麽，从某些层面来看，这对溜马来说是一个非常适合的对位 [Samson Folk] What I will say is Game 6 was probably the best I’ve seen the Knicks look 但我要说的是，第六战应该是我看过尼克防守表现最好的一场 In terms of navigating those actions 特别是在处理这些跑位战术时 [Samson Folk] They did learn from Game 5 他们确实从第五战吸取了教训 One of my favorite plays of the game was — actually ended up in a foul on the ground by Mikal Bridges 我最喜欢的其中一球，是Mikal Bridges最後被吹了一个地板犯规 [Samson Folk] But it was just an action between Derrick White and Jrue Holiday 但整个战术非常精彩，是Derrick White和Jrue Holiday之间的一连串掩护跑位 Setting three or four screens in a row for each other 两人互相帮对方设了三到四次掩护 Trying to get Brunson in the action 目的是想把Brunson卷入防守轮转中 [Samson Folk] And the Knicks stayed — one they switched, one they stayed, another they swit ched 结果尼克队一球留守、一球换防，然後再留守，再换防 Bridges ends up with the matchup and ends up on a foul on the ground 最後Bridges对到那个对位，虽然被吹犯规 [Samson Folk] But just to see them navigate four different actions in a row that way 但看到他们能这样连续处理四个进攻动作 Was like extremely encouraging 真的让人觉得非常鼓舞 [Samson Folk] There were three Spain actions run in Game 6 第六战中对方跑了三次Spain挡拆战术 The Knicks actually covered them all well 而尼克全部防下来了 [Samson Folk] Whereas in Game 5, the three Spain actions all resulted in wide-open catch-and -shoot threes 但在第五战，这三次Spain挡拆全部让对手有宽敞空档三分出手 [Samson Folk] I hope that they’ve learned enough 我希望他们真的从中学到教训 You know, it’s — it’s just — 你知道的，这真的—— [Samson Folk] I don’t know if that was a one-game just surreal performance defensively by t he Knicks 我不确定那是不是尼克队单场防守突然大爆发的奇蹟 If it was the Celtics letting go of the rope a little bit 还是因为塞尔提克自己松懈了 If it was a combination of all those things 还是这些原因加在一起 [Samson Folk] I do think the Pacers present a whole different challenge though 但我认为，溜马所带来的挑战，是完全不同层次的 And I worry how the Knicks navigate all their motion for sure 而我也真的很担心，尼克该怎麽应对他们那一整套流动进攻 [Benji] So we’ll see — I wondered, because when I was watching back some 我们走着瞧吧——我之前回放比赛时有一个想法 Like, they ran that double drag for Derrick White 他们帮Derrick White设了一次双重拖车掩护（Double Drag） And when it was the two-big lineup, and KAT had to step out 当时是双大阵容，KAT就必须要跳出来协防 [Benji] Yeah 对 [Benji] How do you — like, how do you do that as the Knicks? 那尼克这边要怎麽处理这样的情境？ [Benji] Like, I do wonder about some stuff like that 我对这种情境特别有兴趣 Obviously there’s the Jalen Brunson of it all — can flatten this in a number of ways with what he can create offensively 当然，有Jalen Brunson的存在，他可以用各种进攻方式来抚平问题 And there can be big games for the Knicks 而且他随时都有可能爆发，带动全队 [Benji] But there are some, like, hard, hard questions defensively 但防守端还是有一些很棘手、很严峻的问题 There’s no question 这是无庸置疑的 [Benji] And when you can’t answer them 而当你没有办法回答这些问题时 Like to your point earlier about just like 就像你刚刚提到的 “Hey, let’s just play zone for a possession and see if we mess them up” 「嘿，我们打个一回合的区域防守看看，搞不好对方就乱了」 [Benji] Like, when even that’s not a question 但如果连这种选项都不在考虑之列 It’s just like — every single possession is just 那你每一回合都只能靠五个人硬守 A “How do we navigate a series of pick-and-rolls and ghost actions that the K nicks struggle to do?” 然後去应对尼克最不擅长处理的一连串挡拆与空掩护战术 [Benji] Now I think having Mitch out there 当然，我觉得如果有Mitchell Robinson在场上 You know — how much do KAT and Brunson have to play together 那KAT和Brunson到底需要一起上场多久？ Just generally speaking, is a question that 这其实是一个很该讨论的问题 [Benji] Tibs, of course, answers with “as much as possible” Tibs的答案当然是：「能一起上多久就上多久」 But you don’t have to answer that way necessarily 但其实你完全可以用不同的方式来处理这问题 [Benji] And the Celtics did this a lot — just bring both those guys, whoever those gu ys are 塞尔提克就常常这样做——不管是谁，只要是Brunson和KAT，就都卷进挡拆 Bring them into the double drag 把这两人都带入双重拖车掩护 Right, so make Brunson and KAT make decisions on possessions 这样一来就逼Brunson和KAT在每个回合中都要做出防守决策 [Benji] And I’m sure the Pacers will do the same thing 我可以肯定溜马也会这麽打 [Benji] And how do you — do you switch both of them? 那你该怎麽处理？是要两个人都换防吗？ Does Bridges/OG navigate through both and just fight his way through? 还是要靠Bridges或OG穿越所有掩护、硬扛到底？ And push guys and do what he does to get all the way through 去推挡拆者，执行他们平常那一套硬汉式防守？ [Benji] So you can stay home — but man, it’s a tough formula for the Knicks 让其他人留在自己的防守位置……但说真的，这对尼克来说太难了 [Benji] And I wonder if you can just limit those two together a little bit more than t hey have 我在想，是否能减少KAT和Brunson同时在场的时间 If it helps you 这样是否会对球队有帮助 [Benji] And you can scram switch out one of them at times 你也许可以偶尔用「拆弹换防」把其中一人换出去 And just try to pre-switch stuff 或者事先安排好换防顺序 And see if you can get away with it that way 看能不能用这种方式撑过对手进攻 [Benji] But I don’t know — DJ, any thoughts? 但我也不确定——DJ，你怎麽看？ [DJ Zullo] Um, yeah — I mean, that’s a central question to how they defend in this seri es 嗯，对，这是这轮系列赛中尼克防守的核心问题之一 [DJ Zullo] Um, and then you have, you know, the pace and the cross-matching 然後还有溜马节奏快、交叉对位的问题 And getting matched up in semi-transition 还有在半转换进攻中怎麽对位 [DJ Zullo] That was obviously a big issue in Game 5 这在第五战明显是一个大问题 They had a team meeting about it 他们甚至为此开了队内会议 [DJ Zullo] They — but it’s like — it’s been a season-long hurdle 但这就像是一整季下来都无法真正克服的障碍 That this team can overcome for a game or two 这支球队或许能在一两场中做到改善 But history says they’re going to revert back to the same communication break downs 但从历史来看，他们最後还是会回到沟通失误的老毛病 That have plagued them through most of the year 这种问题整季都在困扰他们 [DJ Zullo] So it’s quite possible for the optimist to say 所以对乐观派的人来说 “Listen, this team has figured something out” 「听着，这支球队找出了解法了」 [DJ Zullo] And if Game 6 is any indication, they can maybe take away some of the early of fense advantage 如果第六战真的代表了什麽，他们也许可以削弱溜马的早期进攻优势 That the Pacers could theoretically have 也就是溜马理论上最强的那段节奏 [DJ Zullo] But it’s — it’s a different — you guys know this better than anyone 但这是完全不同的挑战——你们比我都清楚这点 It’s a different beast to do it against the Celtics for a single game 要在一场比赛中对上塞尔提克成功做到这些 Compared to this Pacer team for a potential long series 和要在一个系列赛里长时间对抗溜马是完全不同的难度 [DJ Zullo] So that — that to me, more than the halfcourt issues 所以对我来说，比起半场进攻的问题 Which are real and going to be prevalent 那些问题固然真实，且会一直存在 [DJ Zullo] How do they get matched up? 更关键的是，他们要怎麽在转换中完成对位？ And are they just — you know — allowing easy catch-and-shoot rhythm threes 而他们会不会就这样一直放掉节奏顺的接球跳投三分？ And 4s to the rim? Obi to corner threes? Rim layups? 还有让四号位轻松上篮？Obi射底角三分？空手切上篮？ [DJ Zullo] So what are — how are they mitigating those things? 所以他们要如何去遏制这些问题？ And if they can limit that, then I think they have a chance to defend well in the series 如果他们真的能控制住这些问题，那我认为他们在这轮系列赛防守上是有机会的 [DJ Zullo] But it just remains to be seen 但这一切都还有待观察 [DJ Zullo] And you — I think you have a — there’s more evidence than not 而且我认为——比起看好他们 To say you should be skeptical of the Knicks doing that for a sustained period of time 你应该更怀疑尼克是否有能力长时间做到这些 [Caitlin Cooper] The one thing that might work in their favor 不过尼克可能唯一的利多 Is that I think that Brunson will guard Nesmith 就是我觉得Brunson会去守Nesmith [Caitlin Cooper] I really do 我真的这麽想 Because that happened more often than not in the regular season 因为这在例行赛中发生得非常频繁 [Caitlin Cooper] And Nembhard ran more pick-and-roll than Haliburton against the Cleveland Cava liers 而且对骑士的系列赛中，是Nembhard打了比Haliburton还多的挡拆 [Caitlin Cooper] Nembhard was basically running point guard in the prior series 上一轮基本上Nembhard就像是控球後卫一样在打 [Benji] Is that because of the face-guarding and trying to keep Haliburton out of — 是因为他们要全场贴防Haliburton，不让他持球的关系吗？ [Caitlin Cooper] Right, right 没错，正是这样 And they just — they’ve liked some of the actions that they run 而且他们很喜欢某些进攻设计 With Tyrese starting away from the ball 让Tyrese从无球状态开始发动进攻 To try to be like a counter for that 作为对手贴防策略的反制 [Caitlin Cooper] But I — because of that 但也正因为如此 I just — I tend to think they’re not going to want Brunson 我认为他们不会希望让Brunson Guarding that many on-ball screening actions 去守那麽多持球挡拆的回合 [Samson Folk] Right, so I think — I think that’s 没错，所以我觉得——这会是 I mean, that’s one of the number one things that’ll lead to a timeout 这大概是Carlisle最容易因此叫暂停的原因之一 [Samson Folk] They don’t get back in transition 像是他们转换防守没回来 They give up more than one offensive rebound on a play 或是被抓了两次以上的进攻篮板 They’ve isolated twice in a row and they didn’t score 或是连续两个回合打单打又没得分 [Samson Folk] Timeout 直接叫暂停 [Samson Folk] Too many ISOs 「我们单打太多了」 There you go 没错啦（笑） [Benji] These — these are important things to clarify, for sure 这些真的都很值得厘清 It’s like — what do you attack, you know? 你就会开始思考：「我们要针对哪里出手才对？」 [Benji] And the Hart — the Hart calculus is funny too 而关於Josh Hart，这个「计算题」也蛮有趣的 Because man, he’s been — once again, as Josh Hart finds a way to do 因为你看，他又做到了——这根本是Josh Hart的拿手戏 [Benji] He makes his threes in the playoffs 他在季後赛里的三分球总是投得进 [Benji] And I know people hand-wave that 我知道大家都觉得那只是偶然 [Benji] He made five in Game 5 — five threes 他在第五战进了五颗三分球 He’s five for nine 九投五中 Or five — and like, OK, you hand-wave it because 然後你可能会说「那只是一次例外啦」 Yes, Cornet was messing things up everywhere else 因为当时Cornet其他方面把局势搞砸了 [Benji] But is there — is there a breaking point for a defense? 但防守方真的会因为这样就有所改变吗？ [Benji] And five for nine is — is great 五中九真的很准了 And he made — made a couple again in Game 6 他第六战也还是有进几颗 [Benji] How willing are you actually? 但问题是，你真的愿意赌他一直这麽准吗？ And what is the — what is the calculus there? 那你防守端要怎麽计算这个风险？ [Benji] So look — to Hart’s credit, he seems to do this every year 说真的，必须夸奖Josh Hart，他好像每年都会在季後赛突然准起来 Where he makes people ask questions 让人们开始怀疑之前对他防守策略是否正确 [Benji] Nick Nurse in the Philadelphia series last year 去年对费城的系列赛，Nick Nurse就说过 Famously answered a press conference 他在记者会上很有名地说 He was like, “Yeah, we stopped playing that way 他说：「对，我们後来不那样守了 Because Hart was making a bunch of threes.” 因为Hart三分一直投进。」 [Benji] And it — you know, Missoula I think is so principled 而Missoula这边，我觉得他比较有原则性 And Missoula was never going to change the way he played 他从来不会因为对手投进几球就改变防守策略 Because like, he just — this is how we play 因为对他来说，「这就是我们的打法」 And this is what we do 「我们就是这样防守」 [Benji] Other coaches might be more flexible 其他教练可能会比较有弹性 In terms of how much is Hart punishing that 如果Hart持续惩罚这种放投策略的话 [Benji] Caitlin, do you think that — like, Carlisle Caitlin，你觉得Carlisle会怎麽处理？ If Hart comes out Game 1 and goes three-for-five 如果Hart第一战又投三中五 Is there any change to the way they approach it? 溜马会因此调整防守策略吗？ [Caitlin Cooper] It all depends on how they start out 这要看他们开局的对位怎麽安排 [Caitlin Cooper] Because like I said, I will not be surprised in Game 1 因为就像我之前说的，如果第一战他们还是照剧本走 If they stick to script 我一点也不意外 And it’s Turner on Karl-Anthony Towns 让Turner去守KAT [Caitlin Cooper] Siakam on OG Siakam守OG Nembhard on Bridges Nembhard守Bridges Nesmith on Brunson Nesmith守Brunson And Tyrese on Josh Hart 然後让Tyrese守Josh Hart [Caitlin Cooper] Which I will say that Tyrese — that won’t just be a hiding spot 不过我得说，Tyrese现在不只是「躲着不防守」的那种角色 He’s been more active defensively 他现在的防守积极多了 Where you can trust him to know when to cheat and where 你可以相信他知道什麽时候该放掉、该去补防哪里 And into passing lanes 而且会去干扰传球路线 [Caitlin Cooper] But I won’t be surprised if they go to that 所以如果他们这样布阵，我一点都不意外 [Caitlin Cooper] I guess an interesting follow-up question to that though is 不过我想接着问一个有趣的延伸问题 If they progress beyond that and think, “No, this isn’t working” 如果他们後来发现：「这样不行」 Because we need Nesmith to be able to press up closer to Brunson 因为我们需要Nesmith可以更靠近去压迫Brunson [Caitlin Cooper] Because of what happened in Game 1 of the regular season 因为例行赛第一战的对位经验 We got to get somebody else roaming — whether that’s Myles, whether that’s — 他们可能想让别人去补防，例如Myles Turner或者其他人 [Caitlin Cooper] Who would you be more happy for Tyrese to guard — Mikal Bridges or OG Anunoby ? 那你们会比较希望Tyrese去守谁？Mikal Bridges还是OG Anunoby？ [Caitlin Cooper] Who would you be like, “That’s an advantage for the New York Knicks,” more so? 你会觉得守谁是「对尼克比较有利的防守对位」？ [Benji] I mean, it’d probably be somewhat for both 其实这两个对位应该都有利一些 But who would you be happier about? 但你会比较希望Tyrese守谁？ [Benji] It’s funny — Mikal 很好笑的问题——如果是Mikal Bridges的话 I don’t think it would be a great advantage for him, to be completely honest 老实说，我不觉得他能从这个对位中获得太大优势 [Benji] I think for Anunoby, physically — especially with getting some early post-ups and transition seals 我觉得OG Anunoby的身体条件比较吃香，尤其在一些转换快攻或早期卡位中 I think he can take advantage of that 他可以有效地运用这些机会 [Benji] And especially off their, like, Chicago zoom action 尤其是他们的「Chicago Zoom」战术 Where you can get him to his right hand 能让他顺势用右手切入 [Benji] His drives are — Samson, you know this better than anyoneL的切入动作——Samso n? Anunoby’s finishing under the rim 所以我觉得Anunoby在篮下终结能力 Off two feet against a guy like Haliburton 对上一个像Haliburton这种防守者、跳起来终结 I think you can maybe get some good stuff out of that 应该能打出一些好球 [Benji] Hart and Towns are both really good at finding him in those situations 而且Hart和Towns在这种情况下都很擅长找到他 [Benji] So I think that’s where the Knicks could glean more advantage 我觉得这会是尼克可以争取优势的地方 [Benji] With Mikal, I feel like he gets to the same shot diet regardless of who’s def ending him 至於Mikal，我觉得他无论对手是谁，都会出手类似的球 It’s a matter of if the ball goes in or not 重点只是球有没有进而已 [Benji] So I think it’s more of an OG thing 所以我认为Tyrese如果守OG，尼克的优势会更明显 Where you can maybe take some advantage 你可能可以多打一点这个点 [Samson Folk] Benji, what do you think? Benji，你怎麽看？ [Benji] Yeah, I — I agree 我同意 [Benji] And I think in the Celtics series, they didn’t really like any of the OG matc hups 而且在对塞尔提克的系列赛中，他们其实对OG的任何对位都不太满意 [Benji] Because White and Holiday are such — are just bulldogs on the ball 因为White和Holiday都是防守端那种凶猛型球员 And can force turnovers on OG 他们会逼OG失误 [Benji] To make it not worth kind of those little post entries in semi-transition 所以让OG在半转换进攻中接球背框进攻的投资报酬变低 [Benji] But Haliburton — they’ll go to it 但如果对手是Haliburton，尼克会比较愿意尝试 And especially if OG ends up on Haliburton on a switch 尤其是如果换防後让OG守到Haliburton的话 [Benji] And he’s first out on transition 然後OG是第一个跑到前场的球员 Like, he will seal and he will get down there 他会卡位并压到低位 And then make a play out of there with his little rip-throughs紫菪峊L的撕裂步做出进攻[Benji]nd he draws fouls — he’s pretty good at it茈B他还蛮会制造犯规的[Benji]o I would say Mikal — my only hesitation there is that狴H我如果选Mikal的话，我唯一的犹豫是Like Nesmith to Indiana, OG is the Knicks’ least intuitive screenerN像Nesmith在溜马那样，OG是尼克最不会挡人的球员[Benji]nd that’s what I was going to say畯阆n也想说这点[Benji]nd Bridges — I think maybe my favorite part of his offensive game靬譒ridges，我最欣赏他进攻端的一点是 He’s the best screener 他是全队挡人做得最好的球员 [Benji] A tremendously smart screener and just mover generally — cutter 他不只挡人聪明，本身的跑位、空切也都非常聪明 [Benji] He just fills space 他很会填补场上的空隙 [Benji] I always call him the grease to the offense 我一直说他是这支进攻系统的润滑剂 [Benji] Like, if things are stuck, he’ll make a little cut here 当进攻卡住时，他会切入一下 That just kind of greases the wheels for them 这个动作就能让进攻重新运转起来 [Benji] And creates something out of nothing 能无中生有，制造机会 [Benji] And that would be my only counter 而这会是我对刚刚「选OG好一点」说法的唯一反驳 [Benji] And I think it’s a good — and maybe it makes it a little closer 我觉得这点够有份量，也许会让两种对位的差距拉近一些 [Benji] In terms of the difference between OG and Mikal 让OG和Mikal这两人的效益差异没那麽大 [Benji] Because they run those two-man actions with Mikal 因为尼克会让Mikal参与很多两人战术配合 [Benji] He’s slicing off, catching, getting into the paint, making a play 他能切出空档、接球、杀进禁区、创造机会 [Benji] Whereas OG is probably more of just like 而OG比较像是那种 A roll-into-space and then catch-and-then-figure-it-out kind of guy 「顺势挡完後走位到空档、接球，再想办法打」的类型 [Benji] So that — that would be the — that would be the counter 所以这会是我支持让Tyrese守OG而非Mikal的反方论点 [DJ Zullo] I agree with you 我同意你的看法 [DJ Zullo] Mikal — whether it’s a show or a straight switch Mikal不管你是展开包夹还是直接换防 He’s really good at screening underneath 他都很会从底线下方设挡 [DJ Zullo] And just staying under and slipping into space 然後在掩护完後溜进空档 [DJ Zullo] And then as you mentioned, he’s much more dynamic finishing in that area 就像你说的，他在那一带完成进攻的能力更具爆发力 [DJ Zullo] So I think that’s where it is interesting 所以我觉得这就是整件事有趣的地方 [DJ Zullo] If you’re going to require a host of screenings from one of those two players 如果你预期要让这两人其中之一设很多掩护的话 [DJ Zullo] Mikal — by leaps and bounds — is just 那Mikal显然远胜OG [DJ Zullo] I think he’s the best overall pure screener on the team 我觉得他是整支球队最纯粹、最有效率的挡拆者 [DJ Zullo] Because I don’t think Towns is necessarily great at it 因为我不觉得Towns的掩护做得特别好 [DJ Zullo] And Mitch has gotten better 而Mitch（Robinson）则是最近有进步 [DJ Zullo] Especially — just free — a big body to free up Brunson 特别是用他的大只体型帮Brunson掩护出空档 [DJ Zullo] I feel like he’s improved in that area 我觉得他在这方面的表现是有进展的 [DJ Zullo] But Mikal is really good at just maintaining low leverage 但Mikal很擅长用低重心控制对抗角度 [DJ Zullo] And then weaponizing that in space 然後在空间中把这种技巧转换成战术优势 [DJ Zullo] So that would be — that would be the counter 所以这就会是支持让Tyrese守Mikal的另一个论点 [DJ Zullo] So that’s — that’s a good thought 我觉得这是个很好的观察 [DJ Zullo] To see if you can maybe take advantage of some of those like 看看能不能藉此善用一些像是 Really hard shows by Haliburton Haliburton那种高位快速show手干扰 [DJ Zullo] And get into some space with some advantage 然後藉机制造出有利的进攻空间 [Samson Folk] I would still — I think, because as you said 不过我还是会选OG，因为就像你刚才提到的 You know, the odyssey that an OG Anunoby drive can be OG Anunoby的切入路线常常像是一场冒险 Is typically when he has to change course 特别是当他需要改变进攻方向时 [Samson Folk] But — or like — Haliburton doesn’t have the physicality to necessitate that 不过Haliburton的身体对抗并不强，还不至於迫使他得改线 [Samson Folk] Like, I think the lines that OG will be able to take to the rim 我觉得OG在这样的对位下能够走到篮下的路线 Will be quite direct 会变得很直接 [Samson Folk] Whether — you know — and there’s some early work, post-ups, and stuff like that 不管是早期卡位，还是背框单打这类的进攻 [Samson Folk] But as — as you guys said, like, working to his right hand 但就像你们刚说的，只要让他用右手进攻 It — it really would put pressure on the Pacers 真的会给溜马带来很大压力 [Samson Folk] I think — to bring help 我觉得会逼他们要开始协防 [Samson Folk] And uh, I think probably I would trust the Pacers to try and sort things out 不过我还是会比较信任溜马有能力去处理这种对位情境 With Tyrese guarding in space and trying to be like predictive 由Tyrese在空间中防守，试图预判对手走向 [Samson Folk] Uh — off of Mikal than — than OG 如果是防Mikal，我觉得他会更轻松一点，防OG就比较难 [Samson Folk] But I mean, the screening aspect of it concerns me a bit 不过我也对挡拆这一块有点担心 [Samson Folk] Simply because of Game 5 last year 这纯粹是因为去年第五战 When Mikal started screening as much as he did 当Mikal开始大量参与掩护时 [Samson Folk] Tyrese ended up guarding more screens than he ran screens as the pick-and-roll ball-handler 结果Tyrese被卷入掩护的次数，比他自己打挡拆的次数还多 [Samson Folk] So like, I think an aspect of this for both teams is 所以我觉得这对两队来说都是一个重点 You might have to guard Brunson by forcing him to guard 你可能需要「以攻为守」对待Brunson，逼他参与防守 [Samson Folk] And you might have to guard Tyrese by forcing him to guard 也一样要用让Tyrese去防守来压制他 [Samson Folk] And another dynamic — both of these teams were a lot more willing throughout the regular season 还有一个因素就是，这两队在例行赛中其实都愿意 To be like, “You know what? We’re going to switch with Brunson and let him s ink or swim.” 「你知道吗？我们就让Brunson去换防吧，看他自己能不能撑住」 [Samson Folk] And “We’re going to switch with Tyrese and let him sink or swim.” 或是「我们就让Tyrese去换防，看他表现如何」 [Samson Folk] I think that theory is going to get tested 我觉得这种想法会在这系列被考验 [Samson Folk] Because I don’t think either team is going to be real thrilled 因为我不觉得这两队其中任何一方会真的乐於 To switch Jalen Brunson directly onto Tyrese 让Brunson直接去守Tyrese [Samson Folk] Or to switch directly — certainly not — simply onto Brunson 或是让Tyrese直接被换到去守Brunson，那更不可能 [Samson Folk] I think that — that — that will get tested 我认为这样的策略会被对手不断针对、挑战 [Samson Folk] How much they’re willing to do that 就看他们到底愿不愿意做出这种换防 [Samson Folk] Again, especially with like the — just the wear and tear on Brunson 尤其是考量Brunson在整场比赛要承受多大的体力消耗 To bring the basketball up 他还得负责带球过半场 [Samson Folk] And now to ask him to, like, play a heavy switch scheme 如果你又要他去承担大量换防 [Samson Folk] He’s going to play 40 minutes at least 他至少要打40分钟 That is — that is a gauntlet, man 那根本就是一场身体极限挑战 [Samson Folk] So yeah, we’ll see 所以，是啊——我们走着瞧吧 [Benji] I thought the Celtics bailed him out a little bit 我觉得塞尔提克在某种程度上有点放过了他（Brunson） [Benji] There was a lot of, like, elbow jumpers from Jaylen 那系列赛里，Jaylen Brown 有很多肘区的跳投 [Benji] There was a lot of, like, settling on the Brunson 很多回合都只是简单地选择投篮，并没有真的去攻击Brunson这个点 [Benji] It is like — you know, this is not a podcast about the Celtics 说实话，这又不是一集在讲塞尔提克的节目（笑） [Benji] Which — that team is going to obviously look very different next season 而且他们下季肯定会有很大的变动 [Benji] But um, look — DJ and I are, like, extremely surprised to be here 但说真的，我跟DJ都很惊讶尼克能走到这里 [Benji] And I think if — if there’s a primary reason that we’re here 我想，如果你要说我们为什麽能在这里 It’s the Celtics letting the Knicks off the hook on the defensive end 最大原因就是塞尔提克在防守端没有真正压迫尼克 [Benji] It’s just — it was — I think the theme of the series 整个系列赛给人一个感觉就是 With the exception of Game 5 除了第五战之外 [Benji] Was just the willingness to isolate the first switch 整体来说他们太愿意只打第一个换防後的单打 [Benji] And — and to your point — just, like, bail the Knicks out 而且就像你说的，这根本是在帮尼克解套 [Benji] And not make them make decisions 根本没逼他们整体轮转做出艰难判断 It’s just remarkable 这真的很夸张 [DJ Zullo] So here — the advantage, I mean 所以这也让我们看到—— To the Knicks’ credit, it was, you know 尼克值得称赞的是 When you have Mikal Bridges and OG Anunoby in heavy gap help 当你场上有Bridges跟OG Anunoby两人在防守缝隙中站位补位时 [DJ Zullo] It is a lot to sort of navigate 这样的防线很难攻破 [DJ Zullo] Especially when you are not a great passing team 尤其当你不是一支传导非常流畅的球队时 [DJ Zullo] So that’s where the Celtics — yeah 所以这就是塞尔提克的问题所在 [DJ Zullo] It’s part their deficiencies as an offense 这部分也要归咎於他们进攻本身的缺陷 [DJ Zullo] To how to navigate that 他们不知道该怎麽破解那种防守布局 [DJ Zullo] But also, I think the Knicks were pretty — 但同时我觉得尼克这边也表现得很好 It was the first time we really saw them unleash 这是我们第一次看到他们彻底释放 Maybe in a way we didn’t necessarily assume before the season started 一种我们在开季前根本没预料到的防守模式 [DJ Zullo] But unleash these wings 他们把这些侧翼球员的能量释放出来了 [DJ Zullo] In terms of really putting the pressure on them 让他们去对对手施加巨大压力 To show their length 展现臂展优势 Be big 站位拉开宽度 [DJ Zullo] Be in gaps 填补防守缝隙 Make them make decisions 让对手难以抉择 [DJ Zullo] And then you obviously — we saw the Celtics being really unable to do it 而我们也看到塞尔提克根本没办法破解这一套 [DJ Zullo] If they weren’t driving the switch, getting into the paint 如果他们不是直接攻击换防点，切入禁区 [DJ Zullo] They weren’t able to generate good looks out of it 他们就没办法创造出理想的出手机会 [DJ Zullo] The Pacers are obviously, as we’ve talked about 但溜马显然，如我们之前说的 [DJ Zullo] Like a different beast 是完全不同的对手 [DJ Zullo] In terms of their processing ability 不管是在整体进攻逻辑或战术处理能力上 Especially Haliburton at the point of attack 特别是在进攻发动点的Haliburton [DJ Zullo] So there’s — it’s going to be a different area 所以这会是完全不同的挑战领域 A different problem — probably a tougher problem 而且可能会是个更难解决的问题 [DJ Zullo] As good as the Celtics are 即便塞尔提克整体实力不俗 It’s — this is a tougher test, I think, for the Knicks’ defense 我认为，对尼克防守来说，这会是一个更严峻的考验 [Benji] And the Knicks were able to force a lot of turnovers on Brown and Tatum 而且尼克当时能从Jaylen Brown和Jayson Tatum身上制造很多失误 [Benji] And as we know from Caitlin’s brilliant work 而如同我们从Caitlin精彩的分析中知道的 You’re not turning Haliburton over 你是不太可能从Haliburton身上制造失误的 [Benji] ‘Cause he — he’s just good 因为他真的太稳健了 [Benji] And he doesn’t turn the ball over 他几乎不会失误 [Benji] And despite being a high-risk passer 即使他常常做些高风险传球 [Benji] Which — what do you call it, Caitlin? 这个你怎麽称呼来着，Caitlin？ [Benji] You had a word for it in your article that I’m forgetting 你在你的文章里有一个很棒的词，我一时想不起来 [Caitlin Cooper] The — 那是—— [Benji] Or — or the title of your article 或是你文章的标题 [Caitlin Cooper] The Immaculate Exception 「无瑕的例外」（The Immaculate Exception） [Benji] There it is 对，就是这个 [Benji] The Immaculate Exception 「无瑕的例外」 [Benji] So we’re going to have to handle the immaculate exception 所以我们得设法应对这位「无瑕的例外」 [Benji] For at least a four-game series 至少要对付他四场比赛 [Benji] And at most a seven-game series 最多可能七场 [Benji] And we will see how long it goes 我们就等着看这系列能打多长 [Benji] And so before I let you guys go — because this has been awesome 在让大家离开之前——因为今天这集真的很精彩 [Benji] And I — I really appreciate you allowing us to pick your brains 我非常感谢你们今天愿意分享你们的见解 [Benji] It’s been an awesome conversation 这是一场很棒的对话 [Benji] I’m going to go around the table here 现在我要请每个人轮流回答 [Benji] And I’m going to force you to make a prediction 我会强迫你们做出预测（笑） [Benji] Because I stink 因为我自己不太敢预测（笑） [Benji] And I’m also going to ask for one more short observation 另外也请你们再补一个小观察点 [Benji] That we haven’t talked about 是我们刚刚还没提过的 [Benji] Any — any little skill from a certain player that might make a difference 可以是某位球员某项技能，可能会产生影响的 [Benji] We barely talked about the Pacers’ bench 我们其实几乎没提到溜马的板凳 [Benji] So maybe there’s something there 也许你们可以从那里补充 [Benji] Just a quick observation — something to look out for for the folks at home 一个简短的小观察，给观众们注意的重点 [Benji] So a prediction — and then one more observation 所以——请给出你们的系列赛预测，然後补充一点观察 [Benji] Caitlin, you start us off Caitlin，你先来吧 [Caitlin Cooper] Sure, put the pressure on me to be the one that goes out on a limb first 好啊，让我第一个冒险讲预测，压力真大（笑） [Caitlin Cooper] I will say that the Knicks’ offensive rebounding is a concern 我必须说，尼克的进攻篮板确实是一个让人担心的点 [Caitlin Cooper] The fact that the Pacers don’t have super clear-cut answers 再加上溜马对尼克两大主攻点目前也没有明确的防守解法 Against their two primary scorers is a concern 这也是一个隐忧 [Caitlin Cooper] However, I’m going to err on the side of optimism 但我决定站在乐观这一边 [Caitlin Cooper] And pick Pacers in six as the outcome of this series 我预测溜马六场晋级 [Caitlin Cooper] Can’t believe I’m saying that at this point in time 我自己都有点不敢相信我会这麽说（笑） [Caitlin Cooper] Because I would have picked the Knicks to beat them a year ago 因为如果是一年前，我一定会选尼克赢 [Caitlin Cooper] I did pick the Knicks to beat them a year ago 我当时就是这麽预测的 [Benji] We did! 我们那时候三个人都是！（笑） [Caitlin Cooper] Yes, yes — all three of us 对，没错，我们三个当时都选了尼克 [Caitlin Cooper] I felt confident in that 我当时还很有自信呢（笑） [Benji] Smart folks we are 我们那时候「自以为」很聪明（笑） [Caitlin Cooper] Yeah 对啊 [Caitlin Cooper] And then my follow-up will be a tiny thing 接下来我补充一个小观察点 [Caitlin Cooper] I’ve been looking at bench players 我最近有观察一些板凳球员的表现 [Caitlin Cooper] And who could potentially — this could be, you know, a Jarace series 看看谁有可能在这轮系列赛被启用——也许是Jarace Walker这样的角色 [Caitlin Cooper] This could be a Ben Sheppard series 也可能是Ben Sheppard能发挥的系列 [Caitlin Cooper] This could be a Jarace series again 也有可能Jarace会再次获得上场空间 [Caitlin Cooper] Because they do have one other person that they could throw at Brunson 因为溜马其实还有一位可以拿来守Brunson的球员 [Caitlin Cooper] TJ McConnell has fallen off a little bit TJ McConnell的防守效率近来稍微下滑了 [Caitlin Cooper] With his point-of-attack defense 特别是在防守第一线持球人这块 [Caitlin Cooper] Since he was also pegged as the Brunson stopper — wrongfully, in my opinion, a year ago 毕竟他去年曾被误认为是Brunson克星（笑） [Caitlin Cooper] However, Jarace has a lot more length 但Jarace的臂展更长 [Caitlin Cooper] And I thought very quietly for a few possessions in the one game 而且我记得有一场比赛中，有几个回合很安静地 That the Pacers did win during the regular season 就是那场溜马在例行赛赢下的比赛 [Caitlin Cooper] I was like, “Oh — he just sat on two of Brunson’s counters.” 我当下的想法是：「欸，他刚刚完全吃掉了Brunson的两个反击招」 [Caitlin Cooper] That — that could be something 这也许是一个潜在变数 [Caitlin Cooper] So they at least have one extra body 所以他们至少还有这样一个备用人选 [Caitlin Cooper] That I’ll be watching 我会特别观察他 [Caitlin Cooper] As to somebody else that they could throw out there 看看他会不会被派上场试试看守Brunson [Caitlin Cooper] We’ll see how much Carlisle trusts him in that type of a role 就看Carlisle会不会信任他扮演这样的角色了 [Benji] Awesome 太棒了 [Benji] Samson? 换你了，Samson？ [Samson Folk] Uh, the thing I’m looking for is 嗯，我关注的一件事是—— [Samson Folk] I covered Pascal and OG as they won a championship 我当年报导过Pascal和OG夺冠的那一年 [Samson Folk] I covered — like, I’ve talked to both the guys 我也跟他们两个都聊过不少次 [Samson Folk] I know both the guys 我算是很了解他们 [Samson Folk] Uh, Kyle used to call them his beloveds Kyle Lowry以前都叫他们「我的宝贝们」 [Samson Folk] And so this — in Toronto — is known as the Beloved Bowl 所以这场系列赛在多伦多圈内，有人戏称为「宝贝内战」(Beloved Bowl) [Samson Folk] So we’ve talked about — we like 我们刚刚其实也有讨论过 At no point during this conversation are we going to be like 整场对话我们从来没说过一句： “How do you attack OG Anunoby?” 「你要怎麽针对OG Anunoby进攻？」 [Samson Folk] Because that’s — that’s not what an offense wants to do — ever 因为这根本就不是任何球队会想尝试的进攻策略（笑） [Samson Folk] However, I assume there’s going to be some possessions where — 不过我猜总还是会有一些回合 It’s not — not really Pascal guarding OG too often 虽然不会太常出现Pascal守OG的对位 [Samson Folk] But Pascal will try to score on OG 但Pascal总还是会试着在OG面前得分 [Samson Folk] And I am so — I’ve watched it a lot in practices 而我真的——我在过去很多练球时看过这个对决 [Samson Folk] And OG always had better practices than Pascal 而且几乎每次都是OG表现得比较好 [Samson Folk] And we didn’t get to see it that much last year 去年我们没太多机会看到这个对位发生 [Samson Folk] I really want to see how that goes 这次我真的很想看看到底会怎麽样 [Samson Folk] And also, just for villainous reasons — 还有，出於一点点坏心的理由（笑） [Samson Folk] Pacers in seven 我预测溜马七场晋级 [Samson Folk] Tyrese in the Garden — again 让Tyrese又一次在麦迪逊花园大放异彩 [Samson Folk] Some sort of legacy there, I guess 这也算是一种传奇的延续吧（笑） [Benji] Just kill me now, dude 拜托直接杀了我算了啦兄弟（笑） [DJ Zullo] Um, yeah — thing to watch 嗯，好的，我的观察点是 [DJ Zullo] You know, Deuce McBride went 12 for his last 24 on threes 你知道的，Deuce McBride 最近 24 次三分出手进了 12 球 [DJ Zullo] He started to make shots in the Boston series 他在对上塞尔提克的系列赛中开始开火了 [DJ Zullo] To go along with his defense 加上他本来就有的防守能力 [DJ Zullo] To go along with what he brings as a floor spacer 还有他作为外线拉开空间的价值 [DJ Zullo] He was always — his actual individual performance 他以前的个人进攻表现其实一直都不太稳定 [DJ Zullo] Was always transcended by his impact in the lineups that he played in 但他在场上的整体阵容效益一直都很好 [DJ Zullo] But finally started to make shots 但他现在终於开始把球投进了 [DJ Zullo] I think it’s huge for the team that is only playing seven guys 对於一支目前只用七人轮替的球队来说，这非常关键 [DJ Zullo] So hopefully he can continue that level of shooting 所以我希望他能把这种手感维持下去 [DJ Zullo] And uh — Benji, I’m glad you’re going last here Benji，还好你是最後一个说预测的（笑） [DJ Zullo] Because this is going to be three for three 因为现在已经有两个人选了溜马，我就是第三个（笑） [DJ Zullo] I’m picking the Pacers 我也选溜马 [DJ Zullo] And I think they’re going to — I can’t — I can’t pick them in seven 但我没办法说他们会打到第七战 [DJ Zullo] Because I don’t want to do that to myself 因为我不想让自己经历那种煎熬（笑） [DJ Zullo] So I’m gonna pick them in six 所以我选溜马六场晋级 [DJ Zullo] It’s — I don’t know how the Knicks — at seven guys 我真的不知道尼克靠七人轮替要怎麽撑过 Manage a long, tough, physical, mentally draining series 这种长期、高强度、身心俱疲的系列战 [DJ Zullo] Against this team 尤其是对上这种节奏快、进攻凶的球队 [DJ Zullo] And it’s going to break my heart again 这一定又会再度让我心碎 [DJ Zullo] But — Pacers in six 但——溜马六场晋级 [Benji] Did you say seven guys? 你刚说七人轮替对吧？ [Benji] ‘Cause I haven’t even talked about Precious Achiuwa yet 因为我还没提到Precious Achiuwa耶（笑） [Samson Folk] Absolutely — shall we? Let’s! 没错，那我们来谈谈吧！（笑） [Benji] Shall we? Shall we? 来，我们要开始讨论Achiuwa了吗？（笑） [Benji] Is he the eighth guy? 他会是第八人吗？ [Benji] But I mean, look — if you want some switchability on Haliburton 但说真的，如果你想要找个能跟Haliburton换防的人 [Benji] Now if you play him with Josh Hart — Tibs, I will physically — 但如果你把他跟Josh Hart放一起用，Tibs，我真的会—— [Benji] I will go over there and I will find you 我会亲自去找你理论的（笑） [Benji] Do not play him with Josh 千万别把他跟Josh Hart同时摆在场上 [Benji] I’ll send him a thank you card if he — 但如果他没这麽做，我会亲自寄感谢卡给他（笑） [Benji] But if there’s foul trouble — I mean, he did 但如果真的有犯规麻烦要应急——我意思是，他确实 [Benji] Very, very few spot minutes against the Celtics 对塞尔提克的时候有打过几分钟的零星时间 [Benji] It’s not crazy to think he’ll see some minutes here 所以在这轮系列赛看到他上场其实也不意外 [Benji] With foul trouble — slash, hopefully not an injury, but whatever 也许是因为有人犯规过多——当然希望不是因为受伤啦 [Benji] I know Samson will be thrilled if that happens 我知道Samson会很开心看到他上场（笑） [Benji] I’m so glad that Caitlin touched on TJ McConnell 我很高兴Caitlin刚刚有提到TJ McConnell [Benji] Because Knicks fans all over the world who are watching this 因为现在全世界的尼克球迷看到这个节目 [Benji] Are going to be very upset 肯定都会很不爽 [Benji] That we haven’t delved in on one of the classic Knicks killers of the last 10 years 因为我们居然没深入讨论这位过去十年经典的「尼克杀手」之一 [Benji] TJ McConnell 就是 TJ McConnell [Benji] Um, and I guess — you know, just generally speaking 另外，我想补充的是一个比较整体的观察 [Benji] The substitution patterns is kind of something I’m looking out for 我会特别关注两边的换人轮替策略 [Benji] Because Tibs has a tendency to leave those starters out 因为Tibs（Thibodeau）有个习惯，就是让先发球员长时间留在场上 [Benji] Especially in the third quarter 特别是第三节的时候 [Benji] For the first six, seven, eight minutes 有时连打六到八分钟都不换人 [Benji] And man, if the Pacers are subbing in 兄弟，要是这时候溜马开始换上替补 [Benji] And McConnell’s bringing a wave McConnell上来带一波攻势 [Benji] And Obi’s bringing his pace 然後Obi Toppin用他那招牌节奏推进 [Benji] The way those guys can play — and you throw bodies 他们那些板凳球员能持续换上来消耗主力 [Benji] I think Tibs has to be — even if it’s seven guys, which it might be 我认为Tibs就算真的只打七人，也要有点弹性 [Benji] I think it’s got to be earlier 他得提早做轮换 [Benji] You can’t leave lineups out there 你不能一直放同一套阵容在场上死撑 [Benji] You can’t not have fresh blood out there 你不能让场上没有新鲜腿力来对抗溜马的节奏 [Benji] To deal with the Pacers’ pace 不然真的没法应付溜马的快节奏 [Benji] So I am watching out for the substitution patterns 所以我会特别注意他们的换人策略 [Benji] How does Tibs handle that Tibs会怎麽应对这个问题 [Benji] Keeping his guys somewhat fresh 要如何让他这些主力球员保持足够体力 [Benji] Against a fresher, deeper basketball team 去对抗一支更有深度、轮替更完整的球队 [Benji] And — prediction 然後，最後是我的预测 [Benji] I’ll take Knicks in seven 我选尼克七场晋级 [Benji] Because I’m a loser homer 因为我就是个尼克的死忠（笑） [Benji] And I want to go out on a limb 而且我想做个有点疯狂的选择（笑） [Benji] So I’m going Knicks in seven 所以我押尼克七场胜出 [Benji] And we will see how it goes 我们就拭目以待吧 [Benji] So anyway, this has been amazing, guys 总之，今天这场对谈真的非常精彩，各位 [Benji] Thank you — all three of you — for being here 谢谢你们三位愿意来参加这次的节目 [Benji] That’s Caitlin Cooper, of course, from Basketball, She Wrote 这位当然就是 Caitlin Cooper，来自 Basketball, She Wrote [Benji] If you’re not a subscriber — become a subscriber 如果你还没订阅她的专栏，现在就订下去 [Benji] If you’re a Knicks fan — you should always be a subscriber 如果你是尼克迷，那你更应该全年订阅她的专栏 [Benji] Because it’s the best basketball content out there 因为她的内容是最顶尖的篮球分析之一 [Benji] If you’re a Knicks fan who’s not always going to be a subscriber 如果你不是固定订阅的尼克球迷 [Benji] Then subscribe for the series 那至少这轮系列赛期间订一下 [Benji] So that you have the best opposing view of this series that is out there 这样你才能看到最深入、最有价值的对手观点分析 [Benji] So if it’s short-term money — please do that 就算只是短期投资，也非常值得 [Benji] Subscribe to Basketball, She Wrote 去订阅 Basketball, She Wrote 吧 [Benji] Samson — from Raptors Republic Samson，来自 Raptors Republic [Benji] Am I missing another publication or platform, Samson? 还有其他你在写稿的平台我没提到的吗，Samson？ [Benji] I don’t want — I want to be careful 我想确认一下，免得漏掉什麽 [Samson Folk] No, I’m — I’m very loyal to ours 没有啦，我现在忠诚地专注在我们自己的平台 [Benji] Samson’s the best there is covering the Raptors Samson 是目前报导暴龙队最顶尖的分析师 [Benji] And has been amazing covering the Pacers as well 而且这轮他对溜马的分析也非常精彩 [Benji] Samson, we’re gonna have a conversation soon about RJ Barrett’s offseason Samson，之後我们再来聊聊 RJ Barrett 的休赛期该怎麽办（笑） [Benji] But we don’t have to — we don’t have to do that now 但那我们就等下一集再聊，不用现在讲（笑） [Benji] There are some fascinating questions in Toronto 现在多伦多那边其实也有不少令人好奇的问题 [Benji] Who didn’t — didn’t do very well in the lottery, unfortunately 可惜的是，他们这次乐透签运气实在不怎麽样 [Benji] For the folks up north, dude 对北边的朋友来说，真的是一大打击 [Benji] And you all know DJ Zullo very, very well 至於 DJ Zullo，各位应该都已经非常熟悉了 [Benji] I don’t need to say any more about him 我就不用多介绍了 [Benji] But guys, this has been amazing 总之，今天这场节目真的超棒 [Benji] And I look forward to talking to you guys more throughout the series 我期待在这系列赛进行期间能再和你们多聊聊 [Benji] It should be a lot of fun 应该会很精彩很有趣 [Benji] Enjoy the games, everybody 大家好好享受比赛吧 [Benji] This has been a KFS X’s and O’s show 这是本集 KFS X’s and O’s 节目 [Benji] Oh — we should plug our Patreon, DJ 喔对了，DJ，我们应该推广一下我们的 Patreon（笑） [Benji] We have an opportunity 这是一个好机会 [Benji] If you’re a Pacers fan watching this 如果你是溜马迷，正在看这个节目 [Benji] And you want to deal with the best Knicks content out there 然後你想看最好的尼克球队内容分析 [Benji] For the series and beyond 不只是这轮系列赛，还包括未来的赛季 [Benji] Please sign up for the Brunson Tier — the Knicks Film School Patreon 请加入我们 Knicks Film School Patreon 的 Brunson Tier 层级 [Benji] You get all of my and DJ’s work 你可以看到我和 DJ 所有的分析与内容 [Benji] We think it’s good 我们自己觉得内容是很不错的（笑） [Benji] We hope you’ll hang out with us 我们也希望你会加入一起参与讨论 [DJ Zullo] It is good — I subscribe to it 真的很好，我自己都有订阅（笑） [DJ Zullo] It’s good 真的值得 [DJ Zullo] It’s the best Knicks content out there 绝对是目前最好的尼克相关内容 [Benji] I will — I will return the compliment and the favor 我会记得回送你这份称赞与支持（笑） [Benji] We appreciate that 我们非常感谢 [Benji] So yeah, this has been the KFS X’s and O’s show 好啦，今天就是这集的 KFS X’s and O’s 节目 [Benji] With Caitlin and with Samson 由 Caitlin 与 Samson 一起参与 [Benji] Presented by Fanatics Sportsbook 由 Fanatics Sportsbook 赞助播出 [Benji] It’s been a pleasure, guys 真是荣幸与各位共度这一集 [Benji] Have fun this series 祝大家好好享受这个系列赛 [Benji] Talk to you guys soon 我们很快再聊 （全片翻译完毕） 以下是我整理出的十大观战重点 ： 一、Nesmith 要守谁？ 　　若由 Nesmith 去守 Brunson，可以有效延後发动时间并增加压迫性，但可能过早陷 入犯规麻烦。若转去守 Towns，虽然体型略小，但反而能干扰 Towns 的背框节奏，迫使 他改打面框。预测 G1 溜马仍维持 Turner 守 Towns 的原始配置，真正的交叉对位可能 要等到 G2 才会启动。 二、Towns 面对矮个防守者，进攻效率波动明显 　　Towns 若采取背打，容易被包夹或从底线协防截断出手空间；但若改用面框攻击、快 速启动，反而能拉开节奏、抢先手。整体而言，Towns 的进攻选择将直接影响尼克进攻体 系能否顺利运作。 三、溜马的全场压迫 vs 尼克的破压策略 　　溜马是联盟中极少数会使用 48 尺全场压迫的球队，轮替深度够、体能条件佳。尼克 通常会以 Josh Hart 或 Towns 在前场设置高位掩护，帮助 Brunson 解压。如果 Brunso n 被逼到持续低头运球，体力消耗过快，第四节将会非常辛苦。 四、双塔（Towns + Mitch）能否发挥？ 　　进攻端两大优势是抢进攻篮板与压迫禁区，对於节奏快的溜马能形成有效牵制；防守 端则可能因转换速度慢，让溜马轻易打出空档，且 Mitch 的罚球问题也让他有被「骇人 战术」的风险。双塔能否撑住攻防两端，将影响比赛走势。 五、Haliburton 该怎麽守？ 　　预测尼克会以 Mikal Bridges 对位 Haliburton，OG Anunoby 去对 Siakam。Halibu rton 面对夹击时传球反应极快，几乎无法逼出失误；尼克若使用 drop coverage（下沉 式防守），过往也曾被打穿。溜马战术多使用 ghost screen、Spain action 等假掩护与 背後掩护，尼克必须极度小心。 六、Deuce McBride 的 X 因素 　　McBride 是尼克目前唯一能稳定上场的後场替补，近五场三分命中率达五成，若能持 续把握空档，不仅能给 Brunson 拉空间，还能在防守端扛住溜马持球点，是七人轮替中 的关键拼图。 七、Josh Hart 的三分球会不会再爆？ 　　对手往往选择放 Hart 投三分，但 Hart 却在季後赛多次投出超标表现。溜马若放他 过头，很可能会重演塞尔提克的剧本，被 Hart 意外打爆。这是一场赌注：放他，就要承 担被他手感烧起来的风险。 八、Mitchell Robinson 的篮板牵制力 　　Robinson 季後赛进攻篮板率超过 20%，几乎每五球就能抢到一颗，等同改变一场比 赛的节奏。除了自己抓板外，他的存在也会吸引包夹、帮 Hart 等侧翼创造弱边冲板机会 ，是尼克阵地战的隐形推进器。 九、Mikal Bridges 与 OG 的战术价值 　　Bridges 是尼克阵中最会挡人与空切的「润滑剂」，他不一定得分，但能让进攻变得 流动顺畅；OG 则是 Siakam 最难对付的对位，两人对决甚至被称为「多伦多内战」。他 们两位的发挥将会是全场最安静但关键的战场。 十、七人 vs 十人：体力是关键？ 　　溜马板凳可以用到第十人，像 Jarace Walker、Ben Sheppard、TJ McConnell 都可 能出现有效表现；尼克则仅靠七人撑完全场。若系列赛拉长至六战以上，尼克体力是否会 崩盘，是整个系列赛最致命的长期隐忧。 尼克要怎麽赢？ 1. 控制比赛节奏，不让比赛跑起来 尼克只有七人轮替，溜马是全联盟跑得最快的球队之一。尼克必须把比赛拖进半场攻防、 降低回合数，让 OG、Mitch、Brunson 这些主力有体力撑到最後。节奏放慢，尼克才能靠 进攻篮板与防守布阵掌控战局。 2. Brunson 要稳，不只是得分，也要控节奏 Brunson 是尼克的灵魂。他的持球决策与控场能力，是尼克所有半场进攻的核心。除了得 分，他也要避免被 TJ McConnell、Nesmith 等压迫搞乱节奏。同时，若他防守端被对位 针对，也不能因此影响到体力与进攻端表现。 3. Mitch Robinson 把禁区变成尼克领地 Mitch 的进攻篮板与「dunker spot」吸引力，是尼克破局的关键。他一人在禁区就可能 改变整个对方包夹策略。进攻端帮助 Brunson 空间、防守端抢篮板减速溜马节奏，都是 尼克赖以为生的重要武器。 4. OG Anunoby + Bridges 的外围防守要锁死 OG 对 Siakam，Bridges 对 Haliburton，是尼克必须成功的防守对位。这两人如果能限 制住溜马两大发动机，就能迫使溜马靠其他人持球，整体进攻效率自然下降。 5. Hart & McBride 三分球要有把握 溜马一定会赌 Hart、McBride 外线不准，选择放空协防。但这两人若能把握外线空档， 将有效破解溜马的防守体系。McBride 更有可能成为这系列的 X 因子。 6. Thibs 要敢变招、敢提早换人 Thibodeau 教练过去调度保守，常常让主力撑太久，导致第三节崩盘。这次面对跑轰型对 手，是否愿意让 McBride、Precious、甚至小球阵容多一点上场时间，将会是影响胜负的 因素。 溜马要怎麽赢？ 1. 打快打满，把尼克拖进48分钟高速跑轰 溜马是全联盟速度最快的球队之一，每球都推快攻、不让对方布防。如果能不断跑起来， 把比赛变成一场体能对决，打七人的尼克会很快撑不住。 2. 用战术制造 Brunson 防守压力，让他「两边都累」 溜马要不断设计掩护让 Brunson 卷入防守，消耗他体力，也逼他犯规或防守出错。这不 只影响防守，还会反过来拖垮他进攻端的表现。 3. Haliburton 不要单打，要用系统解决比赛 Tyrese Haliburton 是一名系统型发动者。他不是要靠一打一赢球，而是靠 Spain pick 、ghost screen、DHO 等套路撕裂防线。Carlisle 最讨厌连续单打，这点绝不能掉入陷 阱。 4. 放 Hart、放 McBride，赌外线不准 溜马应该照 Celtics 的方式防守：死守 OG、Brunson，不惜放 Hart 与 McBride 出手。 若他们没手感，就能断掉尼克进攻的连动性。 5. TJ McConnell + 替补组上来就带节奏 溜马深度是优势。TJ 上场就是压迫、防守、传导节奏的化身，Obi Toppin 则负责跑。这 组替补若能打出一波流，就能快速拉开比分或改变 momentum。 6. 要抢下防守篮板，不让尼克第二波机会 尼克靠进攻篮板续命，如果 Mitch + Hart 一直抢，溜马再快都没用。必须全员参与卡位 ，避免尼克拉高回合数时的强硬打法。 7. 如果必要，Hack-a-Mitch 也是选项 Mitch Robinson 罚球极差，如果关键时刻对他犯规、打乱节奏、拖慢比赛，也可能是逼T hibs换阵的策略之一。 总结： 这系列赛不只是东区冠军争夺，更是「两种风格的对决」： ‧ 尼克：慢 + 控 + 强体能 + 半场肉搏 ‧ 溜马：快 + 深 + 团队运转 + 持续压迫 谁能让比赛按照自己的节奏走，谁就能夺下系列赛。 一边是意志与稳定执行力，一边是速度与轮替深度的极限拉扯。 这系列让我非常期待～～～～ -- =Ptt封神榜2010-请选择你的守护神= ~娜娜-纠团 ~雨狗-连结 ~胡子-礼貌 ~MaxLJ--外交 ~柏油-勇气 ~金宝-传播 ~硬兔-傲娇 ~Ｆ７-露点 ~蜜妮-重生 ~山狮-狩猎 ~MoNeNe-遗失 ~鲶姐-自信 ~芳嫂-自我 ~Ｚ９-情报 ~法儿-分享 ~loh--新知 ~ㄌㄔ-预言 ~天空熊-慈祥 ~剥削-艺术 ~乡长-乱入->瓦哥-白烂 ~KOTD-过气 ~bccc-除魔 ~小狐-戒严 ~杰克零-虔诚 ~5566-帅气 ~路比-巧取 ~张爸-分身 ~妖西-忌妒 ~now1-钓鱼 ~廖震-机八 ~威力踢-博学 ~天哥-经商 ~小雨-经验 ~郑公-食子 ~mim--中肯 ~t2d--神算 ~虾姐-寒冷 ~腋魔侠-迷恋 --

※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc), 来自: 104.148.162.120 (美国) ※ 文章网址: https://webptt.com/cn.aspx?n=bbs/NBA/M.1747808998.A.39B.html ※ 编辑: PiGFAcE (104.148.162.120 美国), 05/21/2025 15:36:32 稍微调了一下排版, 并且在文章开头加了提示 提醒大家可以直接下来看观战重点 如果要看细节的再卷上去看几个专家提供的数据和讨论, 这样应该比较省时, 谢谢大家 ※ 编辑: PiGFAcE (104.148.162.120 美国), 05/21/2025 17:10:22

※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc) ※ 转录者: PiGFAcE (104.148.162.120 美国), 05/21/2025 17:16:01 　　Podcast 里 Caitlin 有详细分析 Haliburton 在防守端的配置策略。溜马通常会让 他去对位 Josh Hart，主要目的是让他节省体力、担任弱边游移型协防者，专注在进攻端 创造空间与节奏。 　　这个安排在战术上其实是划算的。当 Josh Hart 参与 pick and roll 时，Haliburt on 可以只需 show & recover（假掩护後撤回），不用真的换防。加上 Hart 并不是高用 球量或高出手的持球威胁者，溜马可以把防守重心放在 Brunson 身上，这样对整体防线 是可控的。 　　但这样做的代价在於篮板。Josh Hart 是尼克最擅长 crash-in（冲抢进攻篮板）的 球员之一，他会从外围高速冲进禁区抢下二波，而 Haliburton 本身卡位观念与身体条件 都不算出色。一旦禁区同时有 Mitchell Robinson 或 Towns 在吸引防守注意力，Halibu rton 几乎挡不住 Hart 冲进来抢板，这对溜马来说是潜在的失分风险。 　　但问题不只如此——如果不是守 Josh Hart，那 Haliburton 还能守谁？ 　　是 OG Anunoby？还是 Mikal Bridges？ 　　这两人对 Haliburton 来说都不是好对象： 　　‧ OG 有身材与力量优势，擅长在转换中或 Chicago action（无球掩护後低位取位 ）进行单打，Haliburton 很可能扛不住。 　　‧ Bridges 是尼克最聪明的无球跑动者与掩护者，不只会绕掩护、内切，还会适时 制造空间，是整体进攻节奏的润滑剂，对 Haliburton 来说是防守噩梦。 　　换句话说，Josh Hart 是 Haliburton 唯一能「躲起来」的防守对位。一旦他不在场 上，Haliburton 就只能选择吃下完整的体能负担，或者成为被尼克轮流针对的防守弱点 。 　　Podcast 里 Caitlin 也提出一个关键假设：如果 Thibs 有一天愿意把 Josh Hart 换下，改由 Deuce McBride 先发，那麽整个溜马防守对位的逻辑就会瓦解。 　　原因是 McBride 的三分比 Hart 更稳定、也更愿意出手。当 Haliburton 被迫去对 位 McBride，就无法再像守 Hart 那样 roam（游移协防）或藏在弱边，他必须投入实打 实的防守，这会直接消耗他的体能，也可能影响他在进攻端的发挥节奏。 　　这也会放大一个更严重的问题：尼克若打出 Five-Out（五人皆具投射或切入能力的 阵型），那麽 Haliburton 就连轮转空间都没有了。他不但不能偷懒守边角，还会成为对 方点名打的首选。 　　尤其当场上同时有 Towns 拉开低位单打、Brunson 操控挡拆时，尼克的整体空间将 压迫溜马後线做出艰难选择，甚至必须重构整体防守轮转体系。 　　最终问题是：Thibs 敢吗？ 　　Josh Hart 是他最信任的球员之一，从战术到性格都完全契合。但若为了空间最大化 、针对 Haliburton 的防守弱点，是否愿意在关键时刻调度？ 　　这，很可能是本系列赛最关键的教练决策之一。 ※ 编辑: PiGFAcE (207.104.43.141 美国), 05/21/2025 23:57:48