看看一些国外歌迷对头子吉他的看法： @ James Dean Bradfield (Manics)is a better guitarist than Noel Gallagher. That's a fact, not an opinion. I think Noel is a decent guitarist who's made some great guitar solos in the past. @ I think this is unfair...since James Dean Bradfield is naturally right handed Noel Gallagher is, at the end of the day, a left handed person who had to learn right handed you try and learn guitar like that...its bloody hard, even just learning it normally, never mind with your weaker side!! (这个歌迷说想想 Noel 是左撇子却学着用右手来弹吉他...这一点还满不简单的哩 对哦不知道这样“颠倒”的学习对 Noel 来说到底是怎样呢...) @ Noel is no (Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page )but he is more of a song writer and rhythm guitarist than an out and out solo player. He said in Q once that Gem and Andy are actually far better guitar players than him but I still havent really heard anything from Gem to prove he is any better than Noel He hasnt written a solo like "Hotel California " recently has he????? (Noel 和大师级的吉他手当然没得比，他比较像是个[用吉他来创作]的写歌人 以及节奏吉他手。这个歌迷还疑问起 Gem 了，虽然说 Noel 一直说 Gem 和 Andy 比他强很多，但是 Gem 好像还没表现出来？) @ Techinically Noel isn't brilliant, but the way he puts such simple things and little tricks together shows a great understanding of the Guitar and of his own abillity, on Ability vs results, Noel is possibly the best ever, ie Hendrix was great, but did he play within him self? (技巧上 Noel 根本不算哪根葱，但是他能够找出自己的方式把极简单的东西和一些 小小的技巧融合在一起，表现出对吉他这项乐器的了解还有对自己能力的了解, 就呈现的整体效果来说，Noel 可能是最棒的。) @ why does the way he learned have anythin to do with it? yeah, guitar learnin/playin is hard in itself but its not like he was FORCED into playing the way he does. thats wrong. noel would have learnt the most comfortable way cuz anythin else is just stupid...unless he was copyin lennon which wouldnt surprise me. as for his ability its pretty standard. not good, not bad. hes good at making simple stuff sound effective. take for example the "3 note solo" on scyho. effective but rediculously easy. oh yeah, by the way, i thought paul weller played lead guitar on champagne supernova. i like the way someone credited on of THE BEST guitar parts oasis have to noel when it was someone else! thats funny. i dunno i could be wrong. (这位歌迷首先质疑其实左撇子学吉他应该也是“自然”的选择正常的吉他把位 Noel 应该不会强迫自己用不舒服的姿势学琴，除非他刻意和 Lennon 一样 [原来 Lennon 也是左撇子学吉他哦！？] 另外他认为头子吉他还过得去，不特好也不特坏，不过倒真是会用简单的东西 达到效果，他举例像 SCYHO 的“三音符 solo”虽然和整首歌满搭调的 但是也简单的太夸张了吧 最後他疑问 Champagne Supernova 的 solo 到底是不是 Paul Weller 弹的 因为他常听歌迷赞美这首歌的 solo，似乎是美丽的误会？) @ not a great guitarist and hes never made out to be one, been playing guitar for a year and a half now and i can do most of his solo's so they cant be that hard although the live forever solo is one of the best guitar solo's ever in my book (这位歌迷说他自己学吉他才一年半就会弹大部分 Oasis 的 solo 所以就高难度来讲，Noel 从来不是个棒的吉他手。 不过他倒是说 Live Forever 的 solo 是他自己觉得最棒的之一) @ What about the jam at the end of "gas panic" all Noel is doing is using his "FLANGER" pedal and his reverb & feedback to make his favoured sound ( In "Roll it over" and "Little by little" he uses a very similar sound. But it isnt hard to do in anyway at all (Sounds good though!!) I think even Noel would admit when it comes to lead guitar playing he is not even in the same league as his idols (Dave gilmour, Jimmy page etc) (这位歌迷说明 Noel 很爱某种特定的效果，在数首歌中都有用到 但其实那是一种做起来还满简单的效果，只不过听起来不错！ 还有他认为即使 Noel 也不会把自己放到和那些偶像吉他手一样的高度吧) @ i don't think i'd be surprised. noel's not a great guitarist. he's very good in several areas, his touch is fantastic, he has an excellent vibrato, and excellent pitch. that's why he pulls off those unison bends so well that you rarely hear from other guitarists. And yes, paul weller only handles lead on the second four bars of the supernova solo. listen for the tone, his is very distinctive. please don't mention the jam on gas panic as great guitar. someone really needs to hear a little stevie ray i'm afraid. sliding a bottleneck up and down the neck randomly and hitting random strings is hardly great guitar. (哦这位歌迷提到 Noel 当然不是个伟大的吉他手，但是在几个领域他弹得还满好的 不过有些是吉他的术语，我就不十分清楚该怎麽翻译了... touch =? vibrato =? pitch =? munison bends =? 另外他还说要听真正好的 jam 要去听 Stevie Ray 的;) @ Hm, I don't get it. How did you come up with James B? Are you Manics fan? Second, just cuz somebody knows all Noel's playing doesn't make him a bad player. My brother can do all of Oasis, 90% of Manics, all of the Beatles without looking at the notes, just by listening. It says nothing about the musicians. The Beatles have tons of 2 chord songs but they are still one of the best bands and their songs are tops. I don't like these kinds of discussions. I want this deleted...LOL Anyways, James B respects Noel greatly and...Yea! When he was asked about the best gig he was ever @, he said the Main Road (呵这位歌迷首先不了为什麽「狂街传教士」的吉他手会被扯进来？ 再来他觉得有人会弹 Noel 全部的 solo 也不代表他就是个烂的吉他手吧 他举例他兄弟会弹 Oasis 的全部、Manics 的百分之九十，披头的全部 都没看谱完全用听的抓，可是这又能帮以上三个团的乐手证明什麽？ 披头有一堆只有两个和弦的歌但他们仍然是伟大的乐团，他们的歌还是超棒的啊;) @ According to Noel the reason they wont be playing (Probably) All in the Mind Live is because neither Gem or Noel could reproduce the solo that Johnny Marr done. (这不知是真是假，这位歌迷说他听 Noel 说过 Oasis 现场之所以不表演 Probably All in the Mind 这首歌是因为不管是 Gem 或 Andy 没办法 再现 Johnny Marr 於专辑中跨刀弹的 solo？？？) @ Several important things: The melodic or musical value of a solo has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the technical ability and skill required to play it. Unison bends are not difficult to play AT ALL. Noel has never done anything I would consider even remotely challenging. This is not to imply that he is a bad guitarist, but simply that he is not great. This has nothing to do with how he is as a writer and a musician, but is rather an unbiased analysis based on observation. (我觉得他绿字部分说得满好的： 「solo [在歌曲里的]的旋律性或音乐性价值和弹奏所需的技巧和能力一点关系也没有。」 他觉得 Noel 基本上没做过什麽有“挑战性”的吉他功夫， 这并不代表他是个不好的吉他手，只不过不是棒的吉他手罢了。) @ to whoever asked if hendrix playd within himself... of corse he did he plays with more emotion than anyone. noel aint a great player if u want great tecnical players then listen to yngwie malmsteen.steve vai.joe satriani etc.. but id rather listen to noel anyday cos they bore fuk outa me (;)) @ fool on the hill you are completely right all these guitarist like satriani, and malmsteen get shoved in my face constantly, and i'm like who cares. They may play very complex guitar parts, but they can't write songs, they're just boring as fuck. Thats why I like page and kirk hammett, they incorporate their guitar playing into their songs. Its also the reason i like noel, hes a songwriter first and foremost, hes not a shredder. Noel Gallagher is a very good guitarist hes doing a damn sight better than all the guitarists that are slating him on this board... i'd call it jealousy (这位歌迷觉得他比较佩服能把吉他活用到歌曲创作的人， 光是复杂的吉他技巧会让他感到无聊...) Cheers! Patsy "Gallagher" -- Your eyes Are telling lines from some of the stories on the way It's so nice --Thank You for the Good Times, Oasis --

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