作者Alif (jkjk )
看板Nationals
标题Re: [外电] Steve McCatty believes fewer K's = W's
时间Sat Jul 14 01:14:58 2012
※ 引述《ug945 (ug945)》之铭言:
: Nationals pitching coach Steve McCatty believes fewer K's equals more W's,
: and so far so good
简单翻译一下,有误解处请指正:
国民投教麦卡提(McCatty)相信「少拿一些三振就会多拿一些胜投」的理论
: http://goo.gl/jXGLz
: WASHINGTON – The man who oversees baseball's best pitching staff does not
: care for the position's most glamorous statistic. In fact the thought of it
: makes Steve McCatty recoil. He crosses his arms. His head shakes. A sour
: expression crosses his face.
: "Strikeouts are bull[bleep]," he says.
: He scoffs. Such a waste, he implies.
联盟最优投手群的投教--麦卡提--并不怎麽在意投手最迷人的数据--三振数。
「三振有个屁用!」其实,他想表达的是三振不过是浪费体力的玩意罢了。
: It is late in the morning on the last day before the All-Star break and his
: Washington Nationals pitchers are grabbing their gloves in the clubhouse,
: heading to the field. He watches as they walk by – Stephen Strasburg with
: the sizzling fastball, Gio Gonzalez with the swooping curve, Tyler Clippard,
: who is the current closer – strikeout specialists all should they want to
: be, and McCatty says the empty swings aren't always worth the effort. He'd
: rather have a nice, quick ground ball to shortstop.
: That seems so much more efficient.
国民队的阵容里有火球小史,能投犀利曲球的Gio,还有现任关门的眼镜哥,这些人全都
想成为三振专家。不过在麦卡提的观念里面,与其费力让打者挥空,倒不如让他打出一个
游击方向滚地来得有效率。
: "If you try to strike out every hitter you're going to burn up pitches," says
: McCatty, the Nationals pitching coach. "Look, just do the math. If you're
: taking 15-20 pitches to get through every inning that will multiply fast."
: He would rather his pitchers let the hitters hit the ball. This is an
: organizational emphasis of the Nationals. Instead of two strikeouts in an
: inning, how about just one along with a pop-up to second base? It's just
: easier, he says.
「如果你想三振每一位打者,那你的投球数一定爆掉。这是很简单的数学问题,
每局都投上15~20球,用球数肯定累积得很快。」
所以他宁愿让打者击中球,这也是他对国民队员下达的重点观念;比起两个三振,
他倒觉得一个三振加上一个软弱二垒飞球的组合比较简单一些。
: The irony of all this is the Nationals do strike people out. They get lots of
: strikeouts. The team with the National League's best record is also fifth in
: the majors in strikeouts with 693. Strasburg alone has 128, Gonzalez 118.
: But they could probably strike out more. A lot more. Which is where McCatty's
: words seem to have settled in and Washington's pitching has it unexpectedly
: in first place in the National League East. McCatty, for instance, was one of
: the strongest voices pushing Strasburg to stop trying to throw 100 mph and
: work at a lower, more sustainable figure like 96. The effort needed to throw
: harder wasn't making Strasburg that much better.
讽剌的是国民队投手还是很会投三振。全队投手群拿下693K不但是国联最多,在整个大联
盟也排得到第5名,其中小史 128K,Gio 118K。其实他们原本可以拿下更多三振,不过
在麦卡提的观念灌输下已经有比较保守了,但还是整个国联东区最棒的。
麦卡提如何要求投手减少三振?举例来说,他强烈要求小史不要追求100mile的速球,
而是稍微把球速降低,降到一个可以让控球稳定的水准…大约96mile左右就好(这叫慢?!)
因为为了催球速所花费的力气,并不会对小史带来什麽益处。
: Strasburg's fastball is going to overwhelm most hitters. Why make it more
: intimidating? The goal, in the end, is to get people out, not make the
: catcher's glove crack extra hard.
: Which is what McCatty keeps trying to say.
: If the goal is to get outs, why not get them as quickly as you can?
: "The odds are in your favor as a pitcher," he says, pointing out that most
: hitters fail more than 70 percent of the time. "It's like Las Vegas. If the
: odds weren't in Las Vegas's favor, the buildings would all be two feet tall."
: McCatty was never much of a strikeout pitcher. Back when he played for the
: Oakland A's in the early 1980s, he struck out fewer than five hitters every 9
: innings, while twice winning 14 games – the second of which led the American
: League in a strike-shortened season. He remembers teammate Rick Langford
: pitching complete games while throwing fewer than than 100 pitches.
: "You give up a couple of hits or you give up a home run, I don't care,"
: McCatty says. "If you pitch quickly and throw strikes, you are going to get
: outs.
「小史的速球足以压制大部分的打者,何苦还要再往上催出可怕的火球呢?
反正我们最终的目标是制造出局数,又不是轰炸捕手的手套。」
这就是麦卡提一直强调的,如果我们的目的是出局数,那何不用快一点的方式得到它呢?
「如果这是一场赌局,那一定是投手比较占赢面,因为打者有超过7成的机率打不好。
就好像在赌城(拉斯维加斯),如果赢面不是在庄家这边,那怎麽可能会盖出这麽多
豪华赌场呢?」
(按:不知道他是不是用打击率2~3成去反推出来的结论-_-!)
麦卡提本人就不是个夺三振型的投手,80年代在运动家服役时,K/9值差不多5而己,
却有两季拿下超过14胜,其中一年还是罢工造成的缩水球季。
他记得他的队友Rick Langford拿下完投时经常用球数不到100球,这形成了他如下的
观念:「你可能让对方打出一些安打甚至全垒打,但这无关紧要;但只要你好球一球
接一球的投,总是会拿到出局数的。」
: "If I'm taking the pressure off by saying to a pitcher, 'Give up a hit or a
: home run, fine. I don't care.' "
「如果我要抒解投手的压力,我就会说『就投给他打,无论安打或全垒打都没关系』。」
: Yes, McCatty understands, strikeouts matter to people. Strikeouts make
: headlines. Strikeouts impress fans. Strikeouts show dominance. Strikeouts are
: often seen as the best measure of how well a pitcher can overwhelm hitters.
: "It's an arbitration stat, I get that," he says.
: He also understands there are times when strikeouts are necessary. For
: instance, there was a moment last weekend when Gonzalez had a runner on
: second with less than two outs in the middle of a 1-1 tie. To McCatty that
: was a perfect time for a strikeout. This way you get an out while not
: allowing the runner to advance or risk a ground ball getting through the
: infield for a hit. But, he adds, there aren't that many times you really need
: a strikeout.
麦卡提当然知道人们很重视三振。因为三振数总能搏得版面,让球迷印象深刻,能投三振
的投手感觉就很有宰制力。是以三振数最常被拿来评估一个投手是否具有压制能力。
但他觉得这个数据的意义还有待商榷。
当然他也觉得有些时机是很需要三振的。例如在平手的局面、得点圈有跑者、又还没两出
局的情况下就需要三振的演出。因为此时让打者击出的滚地球,通常都有推进效果,甚至
有穿出内野防区的风险;而三振所制造的出局数,就可以免除这些风险。话说回来,这种
局面又不多,所以他再次强调,三振数并不需要投这麽多啦!
: Perhaps McCatty's words matter more this summer because the Nationals need
: their pitching staff to be as fresh as it can be in the season's final three
: months. Pitching is what has made Washington the best team in the National
: League. So good, that when manager Davey Johnson was asked to assess his
: pitching staff the other day he said: "All I can say is stay healthy."
: Yet while the Nats lead the majors in numerous pitching categories including
: ERA, batting average against, walks-to-hits-to- innings pitched ratio, they
: are in the bottom third of key offensive statistics including runs scored and
: on-base percentage. If the Nationals are going to make their first postseason
: in Washington they will have to rely on their pitching. And that's going to
: be more challenging as the summer heat wears everybody down and Strasburg
: creeps ever closer to the 160-inning threshold the organization has set as
: his limit in his first full year back from Tommy John surgery.
或许麦卡提的这番言论对国民接下来的赛事很关键,因为国民队必须保持他们的投手战力
能够撑到季末;因为国民目前能成为国东龙头就是因为投手投得好。
DJ对於投手群的所能说的只有一句话:「身体健康最重要!」
尽管国民投手群无论在ERA、被打击率、WHIP等数据上都名列前矛,国民打线疲弱还是一
个问题,因为他们得分、上垒率等攻击数据是排在倒数三名内的。
所以如果国民队想争取首度进入季後赛,就必须仰赖他们的投手。不过夏天的热浪好像
让投手群表现有点失常,而小史更有160局的限制在。
(按:这段提到的东西其实有点旧了,打线状况也改善很多。不过作者应该是要强调
国民的投手不能倒,要省球!)
: Without Strasburg there is going to be more pressure on everybody else and
: therefore a need for the staff to conserve pitches.
: "Outs are outs," McCatty says, still standing in the Nationals clubhouse. "If
: you don't need the strikeout, why use all the pitches to get one? I'd rather
: win 2-1 and have our pitcher strike out two and walk four than lose 2-1 and
: have our pitcher strike out 13 and walk one."
: He looks around the room. His pitchers have all left for the field.
: He is left to stand here: a lone voice crying for sanity in a world obsessed
: with strikeouts.
: And he can only hope they are listening.
小史若缺阵,对整个球队来说无疑是个压力,所以麦卡提希望大家的用球数能精简一点。
「我们要的就是出局数! 如果三振不是必需品,那为什麽要用这麽多球去换一个三振?
我宁愿你们投出2K、4个BB,拿下一场2比1的胜利;而不要投出13K、1BB却吞下1比2的
败战。」不过当他说完这席话,投手们早就走出去练投了......
他希望他们能听得进去…
心得:
1.滚球比三振有效率的道理,台湾人都懂的…
说不定Wang就是符合麦卡提的观念才一直给他调整的机会…要把握啊!
2.原来麦卡提每次上投手丘就是叫投手放给对方打?! DJ有同意让他赌吗?! XDD
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3F:推 ug945:to Gio:你就投给他打→打者挥空三振 07/14 01:56
4F:推 ug945:教练团爱滚人也是有机可循 因为队上一堆滚人 07/14 02:01
5F:推 ug945: 迹 07/14 02:01
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