作者abc12812 ()
看板NY-Yankees
标题Lost: the Velocity and Command of Joba Chamberlain
时间Fri Oct 9 09:37:35 2009
http://www.baseball-intellect.com/lost-the-velocity-and-command-of-joba-chamberlain/
I was asked by a few people to diagnose the problems of Joba Chamberlain. I
went to the tape and didn’t really see anything that looked like an obvious
problem.
Joba’s problems persisted and I saw a Buster Olney blog entry detailing Joba
’s velocity decline (Insider-only), so I decided to take another look and I
think might have found something.
I’ll also be ignoring the yo-yo act the Yankees have used with Joba. Should
he be in the rotation or should he be put in the pen? To use Joba rules or
not? I’m sure he’s been mentally all over the place and that’s had
something to do with his performance, but for this piece, we’ll ignore that
factor.
Now, let’s compare Joba from September this year to Joba back in the middle
of last season…
2008 Joba is on the left, 2009 Joba is on the right. First thing I notice are
the hands…as Joba lifts his knee, the hands in 2009 lift with it while in
2008 they stay steady. That’s why in 2009, at the point the knee starts to
drop, Joba’s hands are up by his head and in 2008 they are out in front of
his chest. So right off the bat, we see a subtle change that might have an
impact on his timing.
Joba actually breaks his hands (when the ball breaks from the glove) a couple
frames earlier in 2008 than 2009. In 2009, Joba lowers the hands and then
breaks.
In 2008, Joba broke his hands and then they kinda hover there. This is
something I detailed last time I looked at Chamberlain. It’s an adjustment I
think he made in hopes of improving his timing, which in turn would help his
command. The hands hovered as Joba started striding.
In 2009, the hands also hover, but they don’t hover for as long a period.
The reason for this is because his hands are higher from the start, so the
time it took for them to lower ate into the time that his hands were supposed
to hover. Hopefully that make sense.
Now, there are postural, hip turn, and arm action difference. Here are some
of those changes…
1. Chamberlain in 2008 is a bit more seated.
2. Take the clip below and watch the front leg…
It looks like there is a bigger, more forceful step over move in 2008. That
is something that could make an impact from a velocity standpoint.
In fact, just comparing his pitches from his last start, when he would throw
in the upper 80’s – low 90’s, there was less of step-over move than when
he threw 93 or 94.
3. For the clips below, focus on the arm action…
In the 2008 version, as Joba is making that step-over move, watch the arm
action really start to load. The elbow goes up with a little bend.
Compare it to 2009…the arm swings back a bit, but it’s still pretty
straight and it hasn’t really begun to load. So Joba loads his arm later in
the process and this creates a timing problem.
Now, I think a pitcher’s “timing” is subjective. Some regard a problem in
timing as just the throwing arm not being vertical prior to the front foot
landing. That’s not really true, however.
I’ll keep try to keep this simple because there are a lot of variables here…
despite the fact that Joba has always been borderline as to whether he gets
the arm up to vertical before the front foot lands, he’s been able to
generate pitches of high velocities and command them for the most part. When
you’re able to combine high velocities with command, it’s a sign of
mechanical efficiency, not a problem in timing. Proper timing for one pitcher
may not be proper timing for another.
But what happens when something is altered in a mechanically efficient
pitcher? It’s what you’d expect…you see a decline in velocity and a
deterioration of command…in Joba’s case, the arm is later in 2009. The
timing of each sequence in the kinetic chain is thrown off.
So what advice do I have for Joba? It’s pretty simple…go back to what made
you successful. Sit down a little more, keep your hands low, aggressively
step-over into foot plant, and the timing should correct itself. The changes
themselves won’t be too hard to implement, but Joba has to know what’s
wrong first.
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1F:推 RobinsonCano:原来是这样阿 10/09 09:38
2F:推 hitler941627:楼上直接END被我抓到了!!! 10/09 09:43
3F:→ siliver:楼上直接END也被我抓到了!!! 10/09 09:44
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5F:推 TrueTears:楼上你怎麽知道 XD 10/09 09:45
6F:→ danny789:1F还不去睡?明天还要比赛,记得来支HR XD 10/09 09:47
7F:推 chancewen:小Q 0-4要加油!! 10/09 09:53
8F:推 max02105:楼下直接END也被我抓到了!!! 10/09 10:01
9F:推 Jye0911:楼上你怎麽知道 XD 10/09 10:02
10F:推 jaky11:上面全部END 10/09 10:02
11F:推 rie779:到底这篇在说什麽阿 QQ 10/09 10:10
12F:推 wangbojun:这篇再说 王建民明年季初可以上场了 10/09 10:12
13F:→ argoth:Joba今年和去年的球速和控球 10/09 10:15
14F:→ chancewen:跟王有啥关系... 10/09 10:15
15F:推 jerrykk:我也直接按AND 才看到推文.......................... 10/09 10:47
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17F:→ tiger30127:以上全都按END(我都一直按右到底) 10/09 10:52
18F:推 freshbox7:Page Down到底.....XD 10/09 10:58
19F:推 Sechslee:我直接← 10/09 11:04
20F:→ Marxing:我自己承认END 10/09 11:09
21F:推 SamMark:快推 我看的懂英文的 10/09 11:16
22F:→ saew:哈哈天使三分炮罗!! 10/09 11:20
23F:推 jinabs98:洋基不是打红袜比较顺手吗XD 10/09 11:21
24F:推 krara:比较阵容的话,我会比较想对上天使而非红袜。 10/09 11:22
25F:推 luaniu:破袜输就是爽~~~ 10/09 11:22
26F:→ saew:LESTER快炸了...!!! 10/09 11:22
27F:推 noonecan:HUNTER能来洋基就完美了 这样SWISHER就可以排第九棒 10/09 11:23
28F:推 Norme:破袜输就是爽 啦 10/09 11:23
29F:推 asd25:= =少幻想了 好吗? 10/09 11:29
30F:→ bzeronj:阿布 三打席三次保送 选球机器== 10/09 11:31
31F:推 stardick:袜迷真激动 真夸张XDDDD 10/09 11:40
32F:→ saew:光头被裁判婊了!!!! 10/09 11:42
33F:→ luaniu:破袜一直被一垒审俵 10/09 11:42
34F:推 argoth:LIVE推文=3= 10/09 11:49
35F:推 Pettitte70:以上都没人在讨论这篇到底说啥...XD 10/09 11:56
36F:推 Aurthelan:哈哈哈哈哈 赶快把破袜扫出门吧 让隔壁闭嘴 10/09 11:57
37F:推 stardick:经天又要诵经了吗??XDDD 10/09 11:58
38F:推 waynewayne:Bobby Abreu 今天领4BB 超会选球 XD 10/09 12:02
39F:→ saew:砸人罗...哈哈哈全乱了..!!!!!! 10/09 12:02
40F:推 eric2003002:BOS要爆罗 10/09 12:05
41F:推 waynewayne:如果天使满贯 楼下1000p 10/09 12:08
42F:推 z010529:谢楼上~ 10/09 12:10
43F:推 chancewen:MVP:一垒审XDD 10/09 12:11
44F:→ luaniu:破袜掰了 10/09 12:15
45F:推 mightymouse:红袜要炸啦 10/09 12:15
46F:→ xyzzz:身为基基,我还是希望红袜跟天使打个五场,然後第五场延长20 10/09 12:17
47F:→ xyzzz:局 :P 10/09 12:17
48F:推 Solti:我也觉得除了我们这系列打三场 其他的都打五场 场场延长 10/09 12:30
49F:推 willie2317:破袜掰了!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10/09 12:46
50F:推 waynewayne:掰掰 10/09 12:46
51F:推 eric2003002:袜袜掰,我也希望他们打五场 然後落败XD 10/09 12:47
52F:推 ytyty:诵经团准备中XD 10/09 12:50
53F:推 coronach:这篇只有一个重点啊 就是Joba的投球姿势根本就有变 10/09 12:51
54F:→ coronach:去年姿势比较稳 今年的姿势有问题 就这样 10/09 12:52
55F:推 chenjo:老实说身为基迷.我很希望红袜晋级冠军赛然後被我们四连败 10/09 12:52
56F:→ S1:我只能说...12楼 10/09 12:53
57F:→ chenjo:2004年之耻要讨回来啊 10/09 12:53
58F:推 macroshit:袜版赌盘不知道又要拖多久才开了zzzzzzz 10/09 12:56
59F:推 conective:红袜输就是爽 10/09 12:56
60F:推 eric2003002:的确ALCS干掉袜袜会更好 先晋级再说吧~ 10/09 12:58
61F:推 taluku:所以 以上都全部END 推文是这样没错 10/09 13:05
62F:→ argoth:你忽视coronach的推文了吗 10/09 13:15
63F:推 tkdmaf: 洋基昨天赢 红袜今天输 连二天都是好心情! 10/09 13:18
64F:推 cchen2008:好爽的一天,红袜输~ 10/09 13:20
65F:推 Cger:洋基赢 红袜输 又是美好的一天**ˋ(  ̄▽ ̄)ˊ** 10/09 13:25
66F:推 Kingkuo:客观来说红袜跟天使还是选红袜当对手较好...(= =)a 10/09 13:31
67F:→ saew:肥袜感觉今年气势不如从前!! 10/09 13:33
68F:推 NIKE74731:宁愿打红袜也不想打天使 红袜打线气势都比较差 10/09 13:56
69F:→ NIKE74731:而且我们向来打天使就是不顺手 还是迷信点好了 10/09 13:57
70F:推 bpvup:不能再同意楼上更多 10/09 14:05
71F:→ Makubex82:明星赛後 打红袜超顺手 10/09 14:08
72F:→ siliver:目标冠军的队伍居然还想挑对手??气势都被自己败掉了. 10/09 14:09
73F:推 Sechslee:天使都能赢红袜了 我们干麽怕天使? 10/09 14:15
74F:推 dearyl:赚袜袜的钱爽度也不一样 10/09 14:34
75F:推 NICK120:你袁定文喔 气势气势... 10/09 14:37
76F:→ siliver:怕东怕西的是能成啥大事,科科. 10/09 14:41
77F:推 Aurthelan:怕屁呀 遇神杀神遇佛杀佛 10/09 15:36
78F:→ matonw:今年是翻盘年,天使不再怕红袜,洋基遇天使也不再吃鳖 10/09 16:16
79F:推 Dragula:今年洋基要通杀 \(^▽^)/ 10/09 17:14
80F:推 BelaTarr:原文好像是说 张博伦现在的姿势跟以前不一样 所以变烂 10/09 18:13