作者richardcyl (more)
看板NY-Yankees
标题Re: [洋基] Just how good is Mark Teixeira?
时间Fri Jan 2 01:42:41 2009
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12.27.2008 Just how good is Mark Teixeira?
There has been a lot of dispute since Mark Teixeira agreed to terms with the
Yankees about what type of player he really is. People like to downplay the
signing by saying that he isn't "elite" or that his numbers come from a
position (first base) where they aren’t anything special. Without even
considering defensive contributions, we can use VORP to compare Tex
offensively to other first baseman over the last two years. Remember, VORP
is a counting stat, so we've included games played and VORP rate (VORPr) to
help add more clarity.
自从铁爷同意跟NYY签下大合约之後引起了很多人关於铁爷到底是什麽样的球员
(编按:讲白点就乾脆说人们怀疑他不值得拿这种大约)的争论。
大家总很喜欢轻描淡写地放个大绝说「哎呀,这样的打击成绩也还好嘛」或「他的
产出是他在一垒手这个位置所创造出来的,以一垒手来讲这没什麽特别了不起啊」
之类的。
如果不考虑防守的贡献,我们可以用VORP来比较过去两年中,铁爷以及全联盟其它
一垒手在攻击上的表现。
提醒一下,VORP是种累积数值,所以我们也同时用VORPr(VORP/球员出赛场数)这个
比率,让我们的比较效果更加清楚。
出赛
VORP 场数 VORPr
Pujols 170.7 306 .558
Texeira 118.3 289 .409
Berkman 115.2 312 .369
Fielder 109.7 317 .346
Pena 101.2 287 .353
Howard 90.0 306 .294
Youkilis 84.7 290 .292
Gonzalez 83.5 323 .258
Morneau 75.9 320 .237
So, in a group where offensive production is held to a higher standard,
Teixeira is the second most valuable offensive player over the course of the
last two full seasons. When adjusting for the number of games played, he
separates himself even more.
在攻击指数VORP的高段班中,我们可以看到铁同学是过去两年中排名全联盟第2名的一垒手
,如果绝对数值看不出他和後面几名有什麽很大的差别,那将这些同学们的VORP除以他们
的出赛次数,你就会发现他的表现和第3名去比就已经领先了一段更为清楚的差距。
Taking it a step further, over the same two-year period Teixeira has the 8th
highest VORP total of any hitter in baseball. This should be especially
amusing to those that claim he somehow isn’t worth his contract because he
is a first baseman, since the numbers are adjusted for position. We’ll
repeat that just to make certain that it’s clear: over the last two seasons,
only Pujols, Hanley Ramirez, A-Rod, Chipper, Wright, Utley, and Holliday have
been more productive offensively when adjusting for positional scarcity.
更进一步看,在过去两年不管是跟任何位置的打者比较,铁同学的VORP还是全联盟第8高,
这个结果对照前面那些「唉呀不过就因为他是个一垒手嘛、这成绩一点都不特别不值得给
这种大约」的言论来说,看起来实在是可笑得很。
让我们再强调一次,在过去2年内,全联盟中,只有噗吼狮、小亨利、阿肉、CJ、Wright、
Utley还有Holliday这7位同学在VORP的产出上胜过铁小弟。
If we look simply at offensive production with no regard for position,
Teixeira is tied for the 4th highest OPS+ in all of baseball (151) over the
last two years. Only Pujols, Chipper, and A-Rod are ahead of him, with Ortiz
posting the same 151. If we take it back to a period of four years, he is
still ranked extremely high, coming in at 11th highest. The beautiful thing
here is that Teixeira has been trending upward, increasing his walk rate and
decreasing his strikeouts.
如果我们更简略地看、完全不看个人守备位置的影响,铁同学(151)的OPS+还排得到全联盟
第4,而前三名是噗吼狮、CJ还有阿肉,老爹则和他同分。
好吧,再更严格一点,看看过去四年的累积数据,他的排名也没有比较难看,他还排在全
联盟第11名呢。从这边可以发现一件最棒的事情就是铁爷的成绩曲线是往上走,他的被保
送率上升、而三振在下降。
Having said all of this, can we please stop with the foolish idea that just
because Teixeira isn’t the best at his position right now, he somehow isn’t
a great, or possibly elite, offensive producer? Currently, the best at his
position is a generational player. Mark Teixeira is not that type of
producer, but it’s quite clear that he is among the best that MLB has to
offer at the present time.
说了这麽多,我们可以停止那些愚蠢的、什麽「啊,因为铁爷也不是啥最佳的一垒
手,在这个前提之下他就不是什麽很伟大、也称不上优秀的球员」之类的言论吗?
没错,在现在,一垒手这个位置上表现最棒的是那位不世出的天才打者,而铁爷并
不是噗吼狮那个层级的人,但从我们的分析上来看,很显然地,他已经是那些想要
争取他加入的MLB球队必须要给出这种大约的那群最棒的球员之一。
12.28.2008 Just how good is Mark Teixeira? Part II
We showed you how valuable Mark Teixeira is offensively. He is a premiere
hitter, no matter how a certain fanbase may be trying to spin it. However,
for we Yankee fans who have been used to seeing Jason Giambi lumber his way
around the bag, it would be useful to see how Teixeira fairs defensively as
well.
According to the Hardball Times' Revised Zone Rating, Teixeira converted
83.4% of balls hit in his zone into outs during 2008. That was second among
qualified 1B, only behind Albert Pujols.
Giambi in 2008? 67.9%
Talk about a huge freakin' upgrade.
修正後的Zone Rating来看,铁爷在守备上创造出局(83.4%)的比率排名所有一垒手第2名
(2008年),一样是只排在火星人噗吼狮之後。那NYY粉丝已经看了很习惯的大吉同学呢?
嗯,他是67.9%。
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1F:推 poqwer:推~ 只能说,拿大约的,都要被酸几下吧~~ 01/02 02:20
2F:→ YHank:可以领20M+$,被酸几下没啥损失啦 XD 01/02 02:22
3F:推 magicagar:铁同学 XDDDD 01/02 02:43
4F:推 Boxster32:噗吼狮 怎麽比都是火星人 01/02 03:31
5F:推 ioopoo:应该是A-Rod看太久 我也觉得怎麽没想像中好XD 其实是顶尖!! 01/02 04:09
6F:推 neutromind:看完整篇文的重点就是... 噗吼狮跟地球人间的差距 01/02 07:59
7F:推 Melson:结果这篇的重点变成噗吼狮~~~ 实在不是人啊~~ 01/02 10:05
8F:推 shyanglong:CJ是哪位同学压=.= 01/02 11:10
9F:推 devilsky:CHIPPER JONES 01/02 11:32
10F:→ OoyaoO:便宜琼斯 01/02 11:32
11F:推 Sechslee:火星人真的太超过了... 不过铁爷要小心纽约酸民啊 01/02 11:40
12F:推 FBLZA:扑吼狮:你是我看过最强的地球人... 01/02 11:57
13F:推 chanli: 吼狮:你是我看过最强的地球人... 01/02 12:10
14F:推 samtony:扑吼狮FA在洋基见!!! 啾咪~! 01/02 12:31
15F:推 muzzle:觉得文章变成在表示扑吼狮有多威! 01/02 13:32
16F:推 lingsk:扑吼狮:人间的一垒手 你尽力了 01/02 14:40
17F:推 honda:Overpaid! 01/02 15:04
18F:推 cski:扑吼狮:我称第二,你就只能称三 01/02 15:16
19F:推 DLCSEA:扑吼狮 人间凶器 专门屠杀投手的 01/02 15:53
20F:推 hohoho1030:Lidge:一想到你呀~就让我哭哭~T_T 01/02 15:59
21F:推 LyonLeu:看完整篇文的重点就是... 噗吼狮跟地球人间的差距 01/02 17:19
22F:推 Kitsu:为什麽看到铁同学三个字我就想到余铁雄..=__= 01/02 18:27
23F:推 CelestialE:弃天的梗 16楼 我竟然看得懂 01/02 23:34
24F:推 tsming:最强的地球人还是比不上赛亚人XD 01/03 11:50
25F:推 bryon:可是铁爷签了…是不是说明…扑吼狮就可能不签了呀…(郁卒~) 01/04 21:13
26F:推 argoth:nothing impossible... 01/04 21:24
27F:→ sams1979:简单的说 就是投手杀手 XD 01/06 17:18