作者abc12812 (abc12812)
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标题Re: [新闻] 一些消息
时间Sun Jun 15 21:34:29 2008
1F：→ frank94:总统投牛棚不太可能会比现在AAA的RP好 06/14 19:08
2F：→ frank94:还有总统再怎麽说 也是去年top50的新秀 不要爆几场就当 06/14 19:10
3F：→ frank94:人家一无不值 吉总都说还会给他机会 假如他和休斯同 06/14 19:11
4F：→ frank94:时都在 吉总说他也会想办法解决这问题 06/14 19:12
5F：→ frank94:他是洋基第一轮选的新秀 从大学到小联盟一直成绩不错 06/14 19:13
6F：→ frank94:但是第一轮会选择他 就代表他也不是这麽不堪 06/14 19:14
7F：→ frank94:不是那种本来被看扁 只是靠着小聪明或经验起来的投手 06/14 19:14
Ian Kennedy就是你所谓"靠小聪明"的投手
8F：→ frank94:这就看他未来的表现再说吧 他应该还会有两三场以上的机会 06/14 19:25
9F：→ frank94:他至少同时有top 50,first round,John Sickels的B+评价 06/14 19:27
说真的，top 50又怎样?
拿你最喜欢说嘴的Sickels来讲好了
2000:
Rick Ankiel, LHP
Kip Wells, RHP
Brad Penny, RHP
Eric Gagne, RHP
Matt Riley, LHP
Wilfredo Rodriguez, LHP
# Ed Yarnall, LHP
Ramon Ortiz, RHP
Ryan Anderson, LHP
John Patterson, RHP
Jesus Colome, RHP
Tony Armas, JR, RHP
Aaron Myette, RHP
A.J. Burnett, RHP
Luis Rivera, RHP
Junior Guerrero, RHP
Wes Anderson, RHP
Josh Beckett, RHP
2001:
Ryan Anderson, LHP
Ben Sheets, RHP
Josh Beckett, RHP
Jon Rauch, RHP
Roy Oswalt, RHP
C.C. Sabathia, LHP
Bobby Bradley, RHP
Chin-Hui Tsao, RHP
Ben Christensen, RHP
Jovanny Cedeno, RHP
Adam Johnson, RHP
Matt Belisle, RHP
Juan Cruz, RHP
Nick Neugebauer, RHP
Matt Kinney, RHP
Chris George, LHP
Tim Redding, RHP
Jesus Colome, RHP
Bud Smith, LHP
2002:
Josh Beckett, RHP
Dennis Tankersley, RHP
Juan Cruz, RHP
Mark Prior, RHP
Jake Peavy, RHP
Brandon Claussen, LHP
Boof Bonser, RHP
Rafael Soriano, RHP
Jeff Heaverlo, RHP
Corwin Malone, LHP
Dewon Brazelton, RHP
Kenny Baugh, RHP
Jimmy Journell, RHP
Adam Wainwright, RHP
Carlos Hernandez, LHP
Brad Thomas, LHP
Aaron Heilman, RHP
Seung Song, RHP
Kurt Ainsworth, RHP
2003 Top 50 Pitchers:
Jesse Foppert, RHP,
Francisco Rodriguez, RHP,
Rich Harden, RHP,
Jerome Williams, RHP,
Kurt Ainsworth, RHP,
Rafael Soriano, RHP,
Adam Wainwright, RHP,
Gavin Floyd, RHP,
Jeremy Bonderman, RHP,
Scott Kazmir, LHP,
Ricardo Rodriguez, RHP,
Aaron Heilman, RHP,
Macay McBride, LHP,
Brian Tallet, LHP,
Billy Traber, LHP,
Colby Lewis, RHP,
Jason Arnold, RHP,
Clint Nageotte, RHP,
Ryan Hannaman, LHP,
John VanBenschoten, RHP,
Kris Honel, RHP,
Ben Kozlowski, LHP,
Jason Young, RHP,
Sean Burnett, LHP,
Jon Figueroa, LHP,
Joel Hanrahan, RHP,
Boof Bonser, RHP,
Johan (Ervin) Santana, RHP,
Andy Sisco, LHP,
Bobby Basham, RHP,
Angel Guzman, RHP,
Joe Valentine, RHP,
Seong Song, RHP,
Franklyn German, RHP,
Dontrelle Willis, LHP,
Don Levinski, RHP,
Dewon Brazelton, RHP,
Dustin McGowan, RHP,
Zach Greinke, RHP,
John Patterson, RHP,
Kenny Nelson, RHP,
Cliff Lee, LHP,
Jimmy Gobble, LHP,
Andrew Brown, RHP,
Mike Nicolas, RHP,
Luke Hagerty, LHP,
John Rheinecker, LHP,
Taylor Buchholz, RHP,
Travis Foley, RHP,
Mike Gosling, LHP,
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就算是top 50，养成率有到50%吗?
更不要说最後能留下来的投手，有99%都是真正有ace stuff的
有像Kennedy这种软趴趴的最後还投的不错的吗? 恐怕很少很少吧
而且Sickels最为人诟病的就是他把数据看太重
讲难听一点
连Will Inman还没到2A时都可以给grade B了，还有什麽做不出来?
最後，拿Kennedy跟某位性质类似的投手比较一下
不知道这样是不是可以能让大家更公正的评断投手?
Ian Kennedy
Year Age Level ERA GS IP H R ER HR BB SO H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP
2004 19 NCAA 2.91 15 92.2 86 34 30 4 31 120 8.35 0.39 3.01 11.65 1.26
2006 21 NCAA 3.90 15 101.2 100 57 44 4 36 102 8.85 0.35 3.19 9.03 1.34
不知名投手:
Year Age Level ERA GS IP H R ER HR BB SO H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP
2002 19 NCAA 4.40 17 92.0 80 46 45 4 32 74 7.83 0.39 3.13 7.24 1.22
2003 20 NCAA 1.96 19 133.1 87 35 29 7 20 144 5.87 0.47 1.35 9.72
0.80
2004 21 NCAA 1.63 19 144.0 81 31 26 8 21 213 5.06 0.50 1.31 13.31
0.71
2008 25 MLB 4.45 14 85.0 88 43 42 10 23 60 9.32 1.06 2.44 6.35 1.31
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12F：推 aresa:唉...莫再提 06/15 21:50
13F：推 Beretta:曹锦辉..跟Beckett Sabathia Sheets平起平坐过@_@ 06/15 21:55
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15F：推 wang4320:~_~ 06/15 22:02
16F：推 greengreen42:我觉得Sickels还有会过度乐观的毛病 06/15 22:05
17F：推 bluemelan:01年有Sheets,Beckett,Oswalt,C.C...@@ 星光闪闪 06/15 22:06
18F：→ bluemelan:没想到时间这麽快 印象中才没多久前注意到他们而已 06/15 22:06
19F：推 maxspeed150:Ed Yarnall後来有跑去日本打一年喔 06/15 22:06
20F：推 bluemelan:还记得某年的马大鱼先发五人都算星光闪闪 06/15 22:08
21F：→ bluemelan:有D-train,A.J Burnett,北极,和....Painvano 06/15 22:10
22F：推 eric155783:还有Penny 06/15 22:15
23F：推 bluemelan:喔对 XD 忘了说Penny了 那时候印象很深刻的是他们好几个 06/15 22:22
24F：→ bluemelan:投手球速都超~~~~快的 06/15 22:22
25F：推 disasterD:之前觉得曹最有可能上mlb且稳定 世事难料.... 06/15 22:29
26F：推 rogergon:J. Weaver 是「不知名投手」喔，他球速比总统快3mph耶。 06/15 22:56
27F：推 ninini:我觉得吸口汁不算是过度乐观啦 评新秀来讲算是ok 只是要看 06/15 23:02
28F：→ ninini:参考的人要怎麽用它 06/15 23:03
29F：推 warchiefdodo:J. Weaver球速大概在LOW 90吧~ 06/15 23:57
30F：推 abing75907:可以请问一下abc大 什麽是"靠小聪明"?? 06/16 00:27
31F：→ abing75907:怎麽能肯定总统是靠小聪明投球的痾~? 06/16 00:28
32F：推 ckyuzi:靠小聪明的意思是不是靠stuff而是纯靠make-up 06/16 00:34
33F：→ ckyuzi:至於什麽是stuff 去王or mlb版爬文吧 06/16 00:34
34F：推 graywolf:王版已经变成神庙了 ... 06/16 00:49
35F：→ fifth:make-up不是心理素质的意思吗....... 06/16 01:01
36F：→ fifth:说到没stuff 光芒的Sonnanstine更没stuff 06/16 01:02
37F：推 chengone:王:好险,差点LOB 6.... 06/16 03:03
38F：→ chengone:sorry,推错 06/16 03:04