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标题Re: [讨论] Grading the Yankees: Bombers Sweep M …
时间Mon May 5 17:15:23 2008
※ 引述《pleased ()》之铭言:
: Grading the Yankees: Bombers Sweep Mariners
: by Jordan Schwartz (Analyst) May 04, 2008
: http://myurl.com.tw/n0sd (bleacherreport.com)
: Go figure.
: Last week, the Yankees' bats were silenced by a trio of Detroit pitchers who
: entered their starts with a combined record of 1-8. The Bombers then turn
: around and win three straight games against Seattle gunslingers Erik Bedard,
: Felix Hernandez and Carlos Silva, who entered their starts with a combined
: tally of 7-1.
上礼拜洋基对老虎, 打线不振, 被老虎扣豆, 不过这次对水手三连战
就打得还不错, 三战全胜.
: Of course New York's pitching also had something to do with the weekend
: three-game sweep of the Mariners. Chien-Ming Wang started it off with yet
: another gem on Friday night, Mike Mussina continued his resurgence on
: Saturday afternoon, and then recent call-up Darrell Rasner impressed on
: Sunday.
讲(美国时间)上个星期五晚上及星期六下午, 对水手的前两战先交给
了王建民与穆西纳, 星期天的第三战则交给最近才排入先发的 Rasner.
: Rasner appears to be the Yanks' new number four guy, now that Phil Hughes has
: been placed on the DL and Ian Kennedy has been demoted to the minor leagues
: following an awful start to the season. I have no problem with Rasner
: filling one of those two open spots in the rotation. He was dominating in
: Scranton to the tune of a sub-1.00 ERA. What I do take issue with is who the
: Pinstripes are talking about filling the number five spot.
休斯->伤兵名单, 甘乃迪->3A
在这情况下依 Rasner 的表现, 把他拉来排入先发轮值名单, 是正常情
况下的考量.
该文作者是想说, 要怎麽填满五人轮值表?
: Kei Igawa, who New York spent $46 million on to bring from Japan last year,
: is a mediocre 3-3 with a 3.86 ERA in seven starts at Triple-A in 2008. The
: left-hander was terrible on the Major League level last season, finishing 2-3
: with a 6.25 ERA in 14 games, including 12 starts. It's yet another guy being
: put in the rotation ahead of Joba Chamberlain, who is definitely among the
: top five starters in the organization.
井川庆或许是一个适当的人选, 洋基当初花了四千六百万得到他,
不好好运用一下实在太浪费了.
依井川去年 14 次出场, 12 次先发, 战绩 2 胜 3 败,以及 ERA
6.25 的表现, 我想该文作者的意思就是, 对照现今开季休斯与阿
甘的表现, 以及现在牛棚的情况, 或许可以把井川庆调上来再练看
看, 反正再差也不过就是这样.
另一个适当人选自然是张伯伦. 该文作者先提井川, 大概是心里也
认为张伯伦摆在中继比较稳当, 特别是现在的胜利方程式组合还不
是够多的情况.
: And now the Yankees' grades for their last five games.
: Joe Girardi, Manager: (B-)During a season in which the bullpen has been
: overworked because of bad starts by Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy, shouldn't
: you give the relievers rest when you can? Girardi pulled Wang after just 90
: pitches Friday, Mussina was allowed to throw just 84 on Saturday, and Rasner
: issued only 76 pitches on Sunday. All three starters were cruising when they
: were lifted, but luckily for the manager, the bullpen pitched well every time.
那再来的五场比赛咧?(洋基星期一休兵一天)
吉拉迪是说, 休斯跟甘乃迪常常达不到撑满五局的基本要求, 使得
牛棚有点操过头了, 吉拉迪在之前的比赛开打前, 是设定王上场的
话投个90球差不多, 穆西纳的话 84 球差不多, Rasner 的话 76球
就好了......
(这三个先发如果表现稳定的话其实用球数大致上还蛮省的)
牛棚最近的表现也好多了(例如老方不再放火了XD)...
: Johnny Damon, LF: (A) The lead-off man continued his hot hitting this week,
: going 7 for 17, including a home run on Saturday. He also made an
: outstanding diving catch in Sunday's win.
大门最近棒子很烫.
: Derek Jeter, SS: (A) The Captain's been on fire as well, going 7-10 over the
: weekend.
提到 Jeter, 通常表现好就是指他比较少打DP了:p
没啦, 队长最近棒子也很烫, DP 比较少了(虽然还是常打标准DP球)
: Bobby Abreu, RF: (A) Four straight multi-hit games for Abreu. The 0-3 on
: Wednesday keeps him from receiving an A+.
阿布赞哪!
: Hideki Matsui, DH: (A-)This is who should be batting cleanup during A-Rod's
: absence. Not Shelly Duncan (.182 avg) and certainly not Jason Giambi (.150
: avg). Generally, you want a good hitter batting fourth. Girardi finally
: seems to be catching on.
若要说阿肉不在的期间, 谁可以担下第四棒重任的话, 马祖以是比
雪莉及大吉都还要称职的人选.
(不过我觉得马祖以还是适合打第五棒, 第四棒有时给雪莉其实也不
错, 让年轻人打打第四棒有时也颇有激励作用, 雪莉打第四棒时如
果安打上垒都蛮开心的, 而且还蛮听话的, 不会像之前那样让人感
觉很冲动. 不过常打盲炮这点真的要再改善)
: Jason Giambi, 1B: (D-) No hits in his last 10 at bats, hitting .150 in May,
: team is 12-14 with him and 5-2 without, team was 42-41 with him last year and
: 52-27 without. Still batting fifth.
大吉, 其实我自己是觉得, 他是典型的不能依他的打击率来论定他
表现的打者, 有不错的选球眼, 挥大棒时偶尔会造成对方投手的伤
害, 所以就数字来看他的打击率是很低没错, 但是吉拉迪还是会有
把他摆在第五棒的时候.
(其实我觉得大吉摆第七or第八棒不错, 可以制造两个中心棒次,让
对方投手一刻也无法放松)
: Melky Cabrera, CF: (A-)Here's the guy who should be hitting fifth. He's six
: for his last 20, including a big two-run homer on Sunday, bringing his
: average up to .291. That's 141 points higher than the Giamzero. Cabrera
: also has more home runs and RBIs than the worthless guy batting ahead of him.
牛奶弟赞啊。
原作者认为他才是最佳的第五棒,最近表现很夯, 打击率 2 成 91 哩,
全垒打数以及打点都颇优.
: Robinson Cano, 2B: (D) Cano went 2-14 over the last five games, but hopefully
: his homer Sunday is a sign of things to come.
提到台湾之友总是要先叹一声.
不过原作者对他还是抱持着希望.
: Morgan Ensberg, 3B: (C-) Ensberg has played the last four games at the hot
: corner, picking up four hits in 16 at bats and committing an error on
: Saturday. Ensberg is hitting just .220 now and I'd really like to see
: Alberto Gonzalez split more time with Morgan during A-Rod's absence.
俺是宝的部份, 其实近三场比赛他表现还算 ok, 打击率两成 2,
不过原作者比较希望看到 Gonzales 跟 Morgan 多出来几次.
: Alberto Gonzalez, 3B: (D)Gonzalez got just one start at third base over the
: past five days, but Girardi also put the kid at second base on Friday,
: replacing the struggling Cano. Gonzalez went 1-7 in the two starts, but is
: still hitting .269.
原作者对 Gonzales 蛮夸的, 能打, 能跑, 但现在只有当 Cano
坐板凳时 Gonzales 才有出场的机会,
: Chad Moeller, C: (D-)It's good to see Moeller back with the Yankees after
: being designated for assignment. Chad got two starts in the past five games,
: going 1-8 but he's still hitting .286. The M's also only stole one base off
: of him.
原作者很高兴看到 Moeller 排在先发九人.
: Jose Molina, C: (F)That's more than can be said of Molina, who allowed six
: stolen bases in the three games he started last week. He failed to throw out
: a single base stealer and went just 1-9 at the plate, dropping his average to
: a woeful .224. I'd say Moeller is the better catcher at this point.
二哥, 阿门, 原作者觉得目前 Moeller 是比现在的 Molina 还适合
当捕手.
(不过我自己觉得王建民配二哥是不错的投捕组合)
: Shelly Duncan, 1B: (C-)Duncan got two starts batting cleanup against the
: Tigers (both losses) and he went just 2-8. He also struck out looking for
: Matsui in the eighth inning of Sunday's win. If Girardi wants to put Duncan
: in the lineup, it should be towards the bottom and it should only be to
: replace Giambi.
好像提到雪莉都会顺便提到大吉XD
不过要把雪莉排入先发的话, 只能让他替换大吉, 我想这里是指若
依守备位置 & 长期来看的话, 不然就得其中一个人当 DH.
(像红袜那样老爹长期担任 DH 算 MLB 球队的常态 or 非常态?)
但反正以他们目前的表现, 似乎都不适合长期担任 DH XD
: Andy Pettitte, SP: (D-) Pettitte was cruising along until he gave up two runs
: in the fifth and sixth on Wednesday. Andy is now 3-3 and needs to be more
: consistent at the number two spot for the Yankees if they are to continue
: winning.
提到派帅了, 对了, 派帅人去哪了?进伤兵吗?
大抵上是说, 如果派帅要以洋基的第二号先发自居的话, 依目前的
表现(3-3), 还得多努力努力, 洋基的胜率才比较容易稳定.
毕竟第三号的穆帅最近四胜都到手了.
: Ian Kennedy, SP: (F)Kennedy once again couldn't get out of the fifth inning
: on Thursday and was sent back to the minors after his latest poor effort
: which actually DECREASED his ERA to 8.37. Scary when four earned in 4.2 ip
: can do that.
宗痛..阿门, ERA 8.37
(这样看起来井川真的是可以当第五号哩, 反正再差也不过这样)
: Chien-Ming Wang, SP: (A+) The 2008 AL Cy Young continued his brilliance on
: Friday, surrendering just one run in six innings. He's now tied for the
: Major League lead with a record of 6-0.
提到王建民了, 六胜零败, 继续稳坐洋基王牌先发的位置.
: Mike Mussina, SP: (A)Well, I had three guys to choose from in my pre-season
: plea to get Joba into the rotation and I apparently picked the wrong one.
: The Moose turned in his third straight good performance on Saturday, giving
: up just seven hits and one run in six frames. But the most important thing
: was that he didn't walk anyone.
穆帅, 稳稳地担负着他身为第三号先发应负的责任, 最近几场
表现稳多罗, 不过原作者对他投保送这件事颇有意见, 觉得穆
帅最好不要有投四坏球的时候.
(不过有时投四坏球也是一种策略吧?)
: Darrell Rasner, SP: (A-)Rasner's first Big League appearance this season
: didn't start well as he served up a two-run homer to Adrian Beltre in the
: first inning. But it was smooth sailing from there, as Rasner went on to
: pitch five straight scoreless innings until departing after the sixth. He
: also didn't issue a single base on balls.
Rasner, 新人罗, 就目前来看除了王建民与穆西纳之外, 三个选一个
, 就自然会选到他罗. (就算两个选一个也还是会选到他)
他问题不大.
: LaTroy Hawkins, RP: (B+) Two appearances and two scoreless innings.
: Edwar Ramirez, RP: (B+) Ditto for Ramirez.
: Kyle Farnsworth, RP: (B) Bad on Wednesday, but good on Friday and Sunday.
: Jonathan Albaladejo, RP: (F)Terrible outing for Albaladejo on Thursday when
: he got bombed for four earned runs in just an inning and two thirds. He also
: picked up the loss.
三个牛棚常见的中继。我个人感觉是,Hawkins 跟 Farnsworth
如果只中继一局, 其实蛮稳的.
但如果只要他们中继一局就好的话, 自然先发就得背比较多的局
数才行.
: Chris Britton, RP: (B+)Britton's first appearance of the season was a good
: one as he didn't allow a run over 2.2 innings pitched. He was wild, though,
: throwing 20 balls in 40 pitches, including two walks.
: Jose Veras, RP: (A)Another member of the bullpen merry-go-round. Veras threw
: a perfect frame on Saturday.
: Ross Ohlendorf, RP: (B+) One hit and one K in one inning on Sunday.
上面三个只听过豆腐XD
: Joba Chamberlain, RP: (B+)The Yankees played 35 innings over the past five
: days. Joba participated in one of them. Really great way to use one of your
: best pitchers.
讲到张伯伦了, 其实会提到的就那几点, 大抵上就是, 他是不
错的中继, 以致於现在就很难决定要不要把他放入先发.
(鱼与熊掌啊...)
: Mariano Rivera, RP: (A) Two more perfect innings.
提到神了.
: Yankees Overall Grade: (B) The Yanks are doing things in threes this year.
: Since April 14, they have won three, lost three, won three, lost three, won
: two, lost three and won three. Hopefully that streak will come to an end
: when the Yankees host Cleveland on Tuesday.
个人觉得原作者心中的理想是以目前来说...
一棒:大门
二棒:队长
三棒:阿布
四棒:阿肉
五棒:卡布 or 马祖以
六棒:卡布 or 马祖以
七棒:摸三弟 or 冈萨雷兹
八棒:冈萨雷兹 or 摸三弟
九棒:随便, 坎弄 or 大吉之类的
但个人是觉得七八九棒摆个能吓人的大吉还是很重要, 而 Cano 可以
下放三A让他反省一下自己为什麽总是一球or两球就死.
先发投手的部份原作者是认为...
第一号:王建民, 毫无疑问
第二号:派帅, 但身为重要的左投, 要更努力
第三号:穆帅, 持续稳下去就没问题了
第四号:Rasner
第五号:宅庆(左投?) or 张99
PS较细的部份不翻了, 有些直接看数字就好了.
提点自己的想法, 有时张伯伦遇到得中继两局的情况, 总觉得他会
把第一局当成是热身, 第二局才真正当成是在中继, 未来如果把他
摆在先发的话他八成也会这样干(前两局当热身之类的...)
但不管如何, 他应该会被设定只要(能)投五局, 而剩下的四局还是
得靠牛棚.
宅庆真的是不错的人选, 左投, 当目前的第五号先发或者是中继其
实都还蛮 ok 的......我觉得他当先发比较好一点.
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※ 编辑: laechan 来自: 61.225.164.210 (05/05 17:18)
1F:推 oukeheo: 台湾水手迷真衰 好不容易连看三场 结果被剔头... 05/05 17:18
2F:推 danbin:小派加油!!! 05/05 17:23
3F:→ laechan:水手迷不会衰吧,连看三天一朗的个人秀(一朗迷应该比较多:p 05/05 17:23
4F:推 JilSander:Wang是The 2008 AL Cy Young 太夸张了 才五月初而已耶 05/05 17:26
5F:推 iluy:能看到一朗的E就没有遗憾了(误 05/05 17:25
6F:推 utadaken:这篇是..心得吗^^" 原文比对的格式之下我以为是翻译文 05/05 17:26
7F:推 windsor:搞不好作者是第一个预测中的人,可以先备份一下本文 05/05 17:28
8F:推 bigsun0709:我都快忘了阿宅是花了46M牵进来的了... 05/05 17:29
9F:推 matrixjoke:张99是? 05/05 17:30
10F:推 a2156700:张志家...(误) 05/05 17:32
11F:推 Kinra:99 XD 05/05 17:34
12F:推 roxiang: 张伯伦啦= = 05/05 17:34
13F:推 apek:看到张99的时候我惊了一下 XDDD 05/05 17:36
14F:推 rogergon:宅庆的另一个优势,就是左投。(对红袜那一场真的很棒) 05/05 17:49
15F:推 gerkk:小卡布真是赞 ! 05/05 17:52
16F:推 birdy590:阿宅拿来对洋基应该不错 05/05 17:54
17F:推 iluy:楼上这个点子好 05/05 17:55
18F:推 ccc222:有看有推 05/05 17:56
19F:→ ssss8kimo:被老虎扣豆? sweep? 扣豆不是提前结束的意思吗?? 05/05 18:05
20F:推 Yifong:来不及了拉 张99已经签约下去了XDDD 05/05 18:06
21F:推 ZMTL:XDDDDDDD 05/05 18:06
22F:→ ZMTL:也曾经有CANO很火然後乡民都在骂小卡布的经验... 继续观察吧 05/05 18:06
23F:推 birdy590:因为目前看起来明显被左投克的球队就只有洋基 /_\ 05/05 18:07
24F:推 iawhite:Moose那一段应该是作者称赞Moose没有保送任何人才对.... 05/05 18:07
25F:→ iawhite:而不是对他保送人有意见~ 05/05 18:08
26F:推 tokyoto:所以阿宅宁愿放着不用 也不能卖给别队 左投高ERA可是洋基 05/05 18:11
27F:→ tokyoto:最害怕的投手啊 05/05 18:12
28F:推 saysayliam:"左投+高ERA" <--- 洋基 克星 = = !! 05/05 18:16
29F:→ laechan:我对扣豆这个词的选择是"凌虐" ^^; (台语刚好一样但音不同 05/05 18:24
30F:→ laechan:Moose我不确定他之前的比赛有没有投BB 05/05 18:25
31F:推 eatpeanut:张99? 以现在的他去MLB 我怀疑他称的过两局吗?XD 05/05 18:53
32F:推 owenkuo:张99....XD 05/05 19:01
33F:推 merrope:Igawa!!!Igawa!!!Igawa!!!Igawa!!!Igawa!!!Igawa!!!Igawa! 05/05 19:12
34F:推 bryon:其实看看6.25的era还是嬴过8.X跟7.X。可以期望投的比较好吧~ 05/05 19:52
35F:推 derek324kimo:总统那段真的酸很大 "再差也不过那样" XD 05/05 19:54
36F:推 vovzz:张99 XD 05/05 20:27
37F:推 gsw501:左投高ERA是洋基克星 那红袜会不会把阿宅捡来对付洋基啊 05/05 20:58
38F:推 wx190:推CANO丢下去3A反省 05/06 00:20
39F:推 Igloo:看三小.... 05/06 06:28