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最近在板上翻了两篇Hughes投球机制的文章, 也把一些网站上球评的意见转给大家看, 但看到板上对Hughes的讨论, 实在令人摇头, 有必要这麽严苛吗? 看看以下这篇新闻吧! 重点: 这次的先发真的是洋基队Hughes的麻烦吗? 1. 近几年对上红袜投得不是很好的洋基选手, 就像芬威的Citgo标志一般令人容易想起 的不名誉名单, 就包括了Jeff Karstens, Jose Contrera及Chase Wright, 另外则是  像Tim Redding如一场灾难的那些名不见经传的球员。(Citgo sign的典故可以自己 google一下) 2. Phil Hughes昨晚只投了三局即被换下场并以8比5输给红袜之後, 也上到了这个名单上 了。 这并不意味他会像其他这些先发投手逐渐失去光釆, 甚至连这样的一点的意思都 没有。但的确显示出本季过去这段时间, 大家是如何对Hughes和洋基其他的年轻投手 作预期和事实之间的检验。 3. 每个人都免不了过度要求这些洋基的选手。球迷, 媒体甚至高阶人员, 诸如Hank Steinbrenner。很少人的眼里还认为他们是年轻的球员-就更不用说负担更重的投 手了,既然他们是关键位置的球员,自然就认为他们就必须表现得跟资深的球员完全 一样。即使他们不算是有经验的球员也不能除外。Hughes昨晚首度遭遇红袜队时才只 有21岁,从24年前19岁的先发投手Jose Rijo以来, 他是在这个球场先发最年轻的洋基 投手。能让这个年纪的球员, 在这麽多目光的注意下还能够全身而退的唯一的理由, 就是他必须是一个完全不同的动物(或许必须是超级赛亚人)。 4. Ian Kennedy本季投得也有些差错, 当然他还会有更多的问题,张伯伦目前是稳定的好 表现,但总有一天在某些时候他也会出现跌跌撞撞的情况。 5. 这当然不是为Hughes昨晚投出的成绩找藉口,绝对不是这样。只是对他的批评也太过 份了点, 大家都基於某些的理由总是对Hughes设了非常高的期待。可能是他在小联盟 时的宰制能力,也或许他去年对上游击兵队时投出接近完美的比赛,在6又1/3局的投 球让对手一支安打也打不出去,直到他的腿筋拉伤改变了他整个球季的状况。或许就 是因为这样, 他必须让自己比同年纪的年轻人变得更成熟,但别忘了他不过是一个最 近才能够合法地为自己买一瓶啤酒的大男孩。 6. 同样地,他也被很多人认为他进到大联盟可以稳当地甚至很容易地拿下15胜, 也是玩 梦幻球队的人想要争相签下的对象,但现在很多人却是对他摇头叹息失望透顶。在目 光聚焦人群簇拥下, Hughes开季在洋基球场投得相当好,但之後这两次的先发却投得很 糟。Hughes表示: "现在是球季之初这样的状况也预期会出现,只是你就是不希望会连 续两场出现这样的状况。" 7. 在Hughes成长的过程中一直是红袜的球迷,他到Rhode Island拜访他的祖父母时有时 也去芬威球场看比赛。周日站在狭窄的客场球员休息室里,他被问到他对这古老的芬   威球场的感觉时表示: "我还小的时候觉得它非常的酷,但现在进到它的球员休息室里 ...感觉却不太是那麽一回事。" 8 人们不关心这个,可能只会去想像在他只投了两局多就被轰了七分(六分自责分)之後, 会对这球场产生什麽样的感想。他对15个打者投了65球,每局都让首位上场的球员上垒, 最後一局里投了四个人次却连一个出局数都拿不到,便被换了下场。 9. 实际上,Hughes原本连第一局都投不完,当Hughes对上Varitek时,Giardi已经让Ross Ohlendorf开始热身,那时球数是3坏0好,最後Hughes让Varitek看着球被三振。 10. 但是整场比赛完全都是他的错吗? 当然不是。如果不是Molina投出一个爆投,同时又   漏接了一球,如果不是洋基的打者对上状况不佳5局投了117球的松阪大辅,却无法让 他受到更大的伤害,这些状况如果不是同时发生事情恐怕也不会这麽糟。 11. 但大部份的错还是出在Hughes身上,只是他的情况还不是像一年前的Chase Wright 那样简直是一场灾难-这位已经被大家遗忘的左投手,被红袜连续四位打者轰出全垒 打。Hughes的情况还不是糟到接近这种状况。只是他的情况没有多好看,跟洋基所要   的差距实在太远, 这仍然是那种Hughes必须想办法忘掉的一个记忆。 12. 这只是三场先发, 现在只是四月, 还只是刚开始, 洋基会这麽说而且这也是事实。 Hughes本季最後还是会变成我们所要的那样,只是昨晚的表现跟我们的期望还差得远 呢! Is this the start of trouble for Yankees' Hughes? By Sam Borden ‧ Journal News columnist ‧ April 14, 2008 BOSTON - The list of Yankees pitchers who have been lit up like the Citgo sign at Fenway Park in recent years is not a particularly auspicious one: Jeff Karstens, Jose Contreras and Chase Wright come to mind, along with other more anonymous trainwrecks like Tim Redding. Phil Hughes goes on the list now, too, after failing to make it out of the third inning of last night's 8-5 loss to the Red Sox. It doesn't mean he's going to fade away like those other starters, doesn't mean that at all. It does mean it's past time for a reality check on what can fairly be expected from Hughes and the other young Yankee pitchers this season. Everyone is guilty of jumping ahead with these Yankees. Fans, media and even top executives such as Hank Steinbrenner. It is rare to see young players - let alone pitchers - in such crucial positions for the Yankees, so the natural inclination is to expect them to perform like the veterans who came before them. Except they're not veterans. Hughes was 21 when he took the ball last night for his first-ever start against the Red Sox. He was the youngest Yankees pitcher to start in this ballpark since 19-year-old Jose Rijo did it 24 years ago, and there is a reason that pitchers of that age rarely step into the harsh glare of this rivalry unscathed. It is a different animal. Ian Kennedy has been erratic already this season and will almost surely have more troubles; Joba Chamberlain has been consistently good, but even he figures to stumble at some point along the way. This isn't supposed to be an excuse for last night because Hughes was brutal. No way around it. But it stung a little more because Hughes, for some reason, had always felt a little bit more like a given. Maybe it was the minor-league domination or maybe it was the near-perfect game last year in Texas, the one where he was untouchable for 6 1/3 innings until a hamstring pull ended his night and derailed much of his season, too. Maybe it's just the way he carries himself with more maturity than the average person who only recently became legal to buy himself beer. Either way, Hughes always felt like the safer bet, like the one who was going to step into the majors and succeed right away. He was someone you talked about in terms of getting 15 wins, easy. He was someone you hoped to draft for your fantasy team. So far, there has been a lot of head-shaking with Hughes. A lot of eyes to the ground. A lot of walking around the mound. There was a solid opening start at Yankee Stadium, but then two awful ones, first in Kansas City and now last night's debacle in the Fens. "It's early in the year and it's going to happen," Hughes said. "You just don't like it to happen in back-to-back starts." Growing up, Hughes was part of a Red Sox family who visited grandparents in Rhode Island and made occasional trips to Fenway. Standing in the middle of the cramped visitors' clubhouse on Saturday, he was asked what he thought of the ancient ballpark and he said, "I thought it was really cool when I was young (but) now that I'm in this clubhouse ... not as much." One can only imagine how he feels about the field itself after getting knocked around for seven runs (six earned) and six hits in just two-plus innings. He threw 65 pitches to 15 batters. He put the leadoff man on base in each inning. He got pulled after failing to record an out through four hitters in his final frame. In truth, Hughes nearly didn't make it out of the first. Manager Joe Girardi had Ross Ohlendorf warming up as Hughes labored against Jason Varitek, already trailing 3-0, before finally getting the Boston catcher to strike out looking. Was it all his fault? It wasn't. Not when catcher Jose Molina makes a wild throw to second and has a passed ball, too, and not when the Yankees' hitters can't do more against Sox starter Daisuke Matzuzaka, who needed 117 pitches to get through five innings himself and probably would have gone to a full count if Wally the Green Monster had happened to stumble into the batter's box. It's still mostly on Hughes. He wasn't as much of a disaster as Wright was nearly one year ago, when the forgettable lefty served up home runs to four consecutive hitters. Hughes wasn't nearly as bad as that. It was still ugly. It was still nothing close to what the Yankees needed. It was still the kind of memory that Hughes will want to forget. It's only three starts. It's only April. It's only the beginning, the Yankees will say, and all of those things are true. In the end, Hughes may well end up being everything we expected this season. He just wasn't anywhere close to being it last night. Reach Sam Borden at [email protected]. --



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1F:推 appshjkli:大概有人认为每个年轻新秀上来都要像Predo一样杀才正常 04/15 01:19
2F:推 larcenciely:推~翻译辛苦了 现在还是四月中而已 给大帝一点时间吧 04/15 01:21
3F:推 appshjkli: Pedro 04/15 01:22
4F:推 birdy590:可见小王第一战投到那样有多困难 04/15 01:23
5F:推 eric2003002:大推阿...........Hughes加油! 04/15 01:24
6F:推 CKnightalker:其实Wang之前对红袜也不是说很好,应该比较像有一场没 04/15 01:24
7F:推 htcheng:you mean Pedro? 04/15 01:26
8F:推 zzchen:我是觉得起码要撑到5局啦 不然每次都这样牛棚真的烧很爽= = 04/15 01:26
9F:推 eric2003002:楼上...你去投投看??? 04/15 01:28
10F:推 poqwer:推~ 其实他还年轻的~ 04/15 01:28
11F:推 Tyrone:有人放大绝XD 04/15 01:30
12F:推 eric2003002:是我放大绝的吗XD 04/15 01:30
13F:推 finhard:不过王之前对红袜再惨还是都有撑到5、6局 04/15 01:30
14F:→ finhard:休斯还年轻,调整时间多的很,以後会变杀的 04/15 01:31
※ 编辑: leddy 来自: 220.132.198.21 (04/15 01:33)
15F:推 kevin75218:洋基王朝之 农场养成年(误) 04/15 01:35
16F:推 ppc:今年是农场年(爆) 04/15 01:36
17F:推 l26921216:洋基变温馨了...以前都是拿去换大物的说..其实Hughes投 04/15 01:38
18F:→ l26921216:不好 被批是难免的 毕竟有机会拿去换山塔那 04/15 01:40
19F:→ l26921216:不是不愿意养新人 而是以这样的SP 能否进入季後赛 04/15 01:41
20F:→ l26921216:都已经被看轻了 加上最近打线一直发挥不出来(DET也很惨) 04/15 01:42
21F:→ l26921216:看到这样的战绩 Hughes 难免就被放大观看讨论 04/15 01:45
22F:推 birdy590:以最近的得分状况, 就算 Santana 来投也有可能会很痛苦 04/15 01:45
23F:→ birdy590:好像没有哪一场不是苦战的, 就算赢分数常常也咬的很紧 04/15 01:46
24F:→ l26921216:不过才开打没几场 希望Hughes突然的猛起来 ^^" 04/15 01:46
25F:推 JessicaA1ba: V少年刚上大联盟时 几乎每次先发都爆 老虎照样给他练 04/15 01:56
26F:推 birdy590:不要变的像 Greinke 那样就好(我想应该不至於) 04/15 01:59
27F:→ JessicaA1ba:整年 当然那也是老虎当时是大烂队的关系 04/15 01:59
28F:→ birdy590:那个真的是 rush 的太离谱, 爆到自己的信心都磨光了 04/15 02:00
29F:→ JessicaA1ba:大弟去年对条子的好投 去年季後赛的一场不错的表现 仍 04/15 02:01
30F:推 opie:可能沟通没做好吧,暴投两次,捕手又上来沟通两次 04/15 02:02
31F:→ JessicaA1ba:是让人对他有信心 实力就是在那里 总有一天会出凸来的 04/15 02:02
32F:→ opie:当时感觉像是业余比赛= =,还记得有版友推:职业是这样玩的吗? 04/15 02:03
33F:推 nytime:其实我一直觉得休斯这场没那麽糟,当然就内容来看是不好,但 04/15 02:12
34F:推 linkfoot:Hughes有满满的爱.. 04/15 02:13
35F:→ nytime:也让人看到了他的曲球幅度之大和之前一直回不来的球速,我觉 04/15 02:12
36F:→ nytime:得他还是值得期待,而且年轻跟天份是最大的本钱 04/15 02:13
37F:推 nytime:只要信心不被打垮,我相信他还是大有可为的 04/15 02:18
38F:推 raygod:练练 反正今年FA可以补SP 04/15 02:19
39F:→ opie:我觉得他太早被拉上来了,20岁被拉上来,心理可能不够成熟 04/15 02:21
40F:推 serenatw:表现差就是表现差还要替他想一堆理由......... 04/15 02:22
41F:推 Tzylu:Hughes加油,给他时间,那样的stuff没道理投不出成绩. 04/15 02:22
42F:→ opie:如果当时时间点他能完成一年建立了信心,今日也许大不同 04/15 02:22
43F:→ serenatw:有满满爱的人果然待遇不同..... 04/15 02:24
44F:→ opie:可是对一个21岁投手,他现在的心理成熟度可能跟不上信心重建速 04/15 02:23
45F:→ opie:度,令人担心如果他再不振,会有骨牌效应 04/15 02:25
46F:→ opie:简单来说,崩的还比建的快,那结果就可能不是很乐观 04/15 02:26
47F:→ opie:所以他接下来表现很重要 04/15 02:27
48F:推 lisungyu:"如果不是Molina投出一个爆投" 04/15 02:30
49F:推 merquise:Greinke 本来还好,是当时投教硬去改他的投球姿势才开始 04/15 02:39
50F:→ merquise:爆炸的.. 04/15 02:39
51F:推 greengreen42:Greinke是得焦虑症吧 後来回AAA调整就好了 04/15 02:45
52F:→ opie:有没有美国人改姿势就变强的八卦? 04/15 02:50
53F:推 birdy590:打球始终要有点乐趣在才行, 一直遭受打击任谁也受不了 04/15 02:51
54F:推 Godzilla28:大家说的是kc 的zack greinke吗? 他今年开季可猛的 04/15 04:34
55F:→ Godzilla28: 2胜0败 0.6era IP:15 H:12 可猛的~~ 04/15 04:37
56F:推 kauw:用战积换新秀成长 又要花高薪留老将..到底为何? 04/15 04:58
57F:推 CCfss: NoMaas对大帝真是很善良 换别人早就被酸到爆炸了 04/15 05:15
58F:推 iluy:耐心是什麽 可以吃麽 04/15 05:32
59F:推 aegis144: Hughes怎麽说也才大四的年纪.. 04/15 10:16
60F:推 ninini:去年井川花了这麽多钱买来 结果过了一季还是不稳还是有很多 04/15 11:17
61F:→ ninini:人期待他 而Hughes却可以被酸成这样...强如King Felix也不 04/15 11:17
62F:→ ninini:是一上来就马上站稳的啊 更何况Hughes中间还受过伤 04/15 11:19
63F:→ ninini:Wang当然是很好的王牌 但是他21岁的时候伸卡球都不知道学 04/15 11:20
64F:→ ninini:好了没 不要因为媒体说Hughes会威胁Wang的Ace地位就臭酸他 04/15 11:21
65F:推 loveyourself:不同意楼上最後一句话...跟王哪有关系 = = 04/15 11:32
66F:推 ninini:我应该是要回应15599的 04/15 11:54
67F:推 evangelew:输球不打紧谁都会输 但重点是球速没了就对他未来的期待 04/15 12:51
68F:→ evangelew:减少很多 04/15 12:53
69F:推 ckyuzi:Hughes会威胁王的地位 你在作梦吗? 04/15 12:54
70F:推 henk:年轻投手没球速会很恐怖... 04/15 12:55
71F:→ evangelew:没有球速的他 未来是不会变成大家我想的大帝 04/15 12:54
72F:→ evangelew:即使年轻有本钱 所以先恢复球速最重要 04/15 12:57
73F:推 irenehuang15:找到一个好投手真的是呛司呛司 04/15 13:17
74F:推 ninini:事实上他本来就不是火球男实战差不多93 94 而且他的球速在 04/15 13:23
75F:→ ninini:这季先发也渐渐出来 04/15 13:24
76F:推 ninini:季初有媒体预测开季1号摆的是Hughes而不是Wang就有人开始神 04/15 13:27
77F:→ ninini:经质 季前 04/15 13:28
78F:推 henk:给休斯当1号很好阿 小王别那麽累 04/15 15:02
79F:推 henk:当2.3号先发很好阿 代表NYY人才几几 有三个Ace 04/15 15:05
80F:推 Colormax99:为什麽今年Hughes会被预测顶一号?因为他有很好的曲球? 04/15 21:40
81F:推 Colormax99:不想长别人威风,但感觉八扣子的曲球好像比Hughes的还杀 04/15 21:48
82F:推 andy114425:请问一下ninini大,你是把洋基当成没有钱找好选手的穷 04/15 21:58
83F:→ andy114425:球队吗?Hughes还很年轻,各方面都很有潜力,或许将来 04/15 21:59
84F:→ andy114425:的是货真价实的ACE,但是,他去年在MLB只投了1/3季,而 04/15 21:59
85F:→ andy114425:且成绩只是平均值而已,身为一只薪资总合超过2亿美金的 04/15 21:59
86F:→ andy114425:豪门球队,季前媒体预测开季1号摆的是他而不是连二年都 04/15 22:00
87F:→ andy114425:有好实绩的王,与其说那些美媒体看不起王,不如说他们 04/15 22:00
88F:→ andy114425:把Hughes给神格化了吧?不管是Hughes或是去年季末在牛 04/15 22:00
89F:→ andy114425:棚杀翻天的Chamberlain,都还是有待一个完整球季来证明 04/15 22:00
90F:→ andy114425:自己的,人家在讨论Hughes这几场的问题在那,你马上就 04/15 22:01
91F:→ andy114425:跳出来说是因为他比下王才酸他,是你神经质还是版友神 04/15 22:01
92F:→ andy114425:经质啊? 04/15 22:01
93F:推 henk:这里本来就对大弟的爱比较多阿 习惯了 (茶) 04/15 22:06
94F:推 andy114425:井川之所以会被期待,是因为他之前有日本的成绩做为背 04/15 22:09
95F:→ andy114425:书,不然洋基干嘛花大钱把他标下来,你没看到一堆球队 04/15 22:09
96F:→ andy114425:卯起来花钱抢日本选手吗?还是你觉得那些成绩没价值? 04/15 22:09
97F:推 ninini:不管洋基有没有钱 很明显最近用人的政策上有些改变 你可以 04/15 22:50
98F:→ ninini:去爬上面Cashman的专访 既然决定要重用农场 你也知道他只投 04/15 22:52
99F:→ ninini:了不到100局又经过受伤中断 我只能说你们对他太没耐心了 04/15 22:55
100F:→ ninini:至於王的部份主要是回应15599 04/15 23:03
101F:推 ninini:井川有日职成绩 Hughes有minor很杀的成绩 假设两个参考价值 04/15 23:09
102F:→ ninini:差不多的话 能够容忍井川 没道理对Hughes这麽没耐心 04/15 23:11
103F:推 andy114425:重用农场!?王不是农场出来的吗?Pettitte不是吗?又 04/16 00:07
104F:→ andy114425:不是没有人可以用了,就算不算Mussina(他去年真的爆太 04/16 00:08
105F:→ andy114425:惨,虽然我认为今年不会跟去年一样),至少还有他们二位 04/16 00:08
106F:→ andy114425:证明过自己选手可以当作首选,在这种情况下把Hughes捧 04/16 00:08
107F:→ andy114425:为王牌,不是造神是什麽?去年决定不用Hughes、Kennedy 04/16 00:08
108F:→ andy114425:、Cabrera等人去交易Santana回来就是决定要重用农场, 04/16 00:09
109F:→ andy114425:不然你觉得是什麽?不是对着还没证明自已的选手说:[王 04/16 00:09
110F:→ andy114425:牌就决定是你了]才是重用。 04/16 00:09
111F:→ andy114425:至於井川,你不会不知道日职的评价是4A吧?还是你觉得 04/16 00:10
112F:→ andy114425:数字越大评价越低?从井川站穏日职後的2001年开始算, 04/16 00:10
113F:→ andy114425:六年间的IP:1244(平均每年207.1局),三振:1174(平均 04/16 00:10
114F:→ andy114425:每年196K),ERA:3.14,这种成绩你觉得看不上眼?再来 04/16 00:10
115F:→ andy114425:,假设就如你说的,二者的参考价值相同(日职的这些选手 04/16 00:11
116F:→ andy114425:被花大钱请来後是当作"优质"的即战力,杀翻小联盟的可 04/16 00:11
117F:→ andy114425:不一定哦,如果真的相同,花大钱是心酸的哦?),支持井 04/16 00:11
118F:→ andy114425:川的人,大多都是觉得他没有差到连在大联盟生存都有问 04/16 00:12
119F:→ andy114425:题,可没人说他会变成ACE,在讨论Hughes的人,是说他有 04/16 00:12
120F:→ andy114425:这麽好的Stuff,为什麽没有表现出ACE的成绩,你觉得二 04/16 00:12
121F:→ andy114425:者讨论的内容一样吗? 04/16 00:12
122F:→ leddy:要战请自己po文, 不要躲在我的文章的推文里 04/16 00:48







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