作者leddy (耿秋)
看板NY-Yankees
标题[洋基] Phil Hughes’ Mechanics: What’s The Deal?
时间Thu Apr 10 13:21:29 2008
资料来源:
http://0rz.tw/513WE
Hughes的投球机制那里出了问题?
针对Hughes的投球机制影响球速的问题, 昨晚比赛後这位球探将Hughes 2006年和2008年
仔细作了比较。
简单说一下重点: (请自行参考原文的图片比较)
1. 针对有些人认为是放球出手过程(delivery)出了问题, Piliere发现其实并没有太大的
改变, 就算有也没什麽太大值得注意的。
2. 经过仔细用影片进行比较, 2008年的投球机制与2006年不同的是从Hughes投球的後腿抬
起後, 之前则差异不太。2006年时投球时他充份运用了他的前腿去投球, 从图片可以看
到他投出後後腿没有弯曲直直地向上。但2008年作者发现他用他的右肩膀去拉或带领
身体其他的部份, 06年时他的腿的动作让身体其他部份有效地运作, 但08年时却会发现
在他手臂动作的最後, 他的头部已经经转向或是顿了一下。但06年的动作不是这样,
06年时他的头部还保持往上且转向本垒板方向, 08年时他的头部则被他积极往下的右肩
拉得往下, 可以参看作者提供的影片片断。
3. 作者认为放球点并没有改变, 所以问题不在此, 那会不会是去大腿筋拉伤出的问题?
根据分析, 的确有可能。作者认为Hughes对左腿施力後没有有效地带领身体後半部的
力量, 是这里产生的问题, 不是手臂角度, 放球点, 手臂速度等上面的问题, 至少有
75%以上的问题不是出在那里。
4. 作者建议修正: 但不见得洋基队想要作这样的改变, 因为可能洋基队认为Hughes这种
出手方式控球会比较好。那要怎麽改呢? 他认为第一步是把右肩的施放的压力拿掉
(没改的话肩膀是不是会...), Hughes要更积极地去运用腿的力量, 让右後腿去抬高,
那他腰部会弯曲地更顺畅点, 而不是用右肩膀的力量去往下拉。以作者的意见, Hughes
应该是把他的重量经由前半部平顺地运用出去, 而不是只是把重量传送到前腿而没有
施力上去。(对照去年po的13368, 这个伤, 唉...)
5. 作者认为这是他的意见, 若有投球机制的专家有其他看法, 可以到网站和他讨论。
6. Hughes的球速问题, John Sickels的评论是这样, 88-91的球速的确不见得就不能在大
联盟中吃饭, 但这样的球速配合Hughes现在的投球, 他将不再是预期中的Ace级投手,
而只是个2-3号的先发投手。唉.......(这篇有空再post吧)
Phil Hughes’ Mechanics: What’s The Deal?
April 9, 2008 by fpiliere44
By Frankie Piliere
When you are the youngest pitcher in Major League Baseball and being touted
as the future ace of the New York Yankees, I suppose that it is normal to be
under the microscope at all times. And, boy has Phil Hughes been under the
microscope.
What has come in question about Hughes the most is his velocity and its
relationship to his mechanics. Has his delivery changed as so many have
speculated? If so, what has changed? Why does he look so confused in the
picture to the right?
Stick around and find out the answers to these questions and others after the
jump…
(Phil Hughes Photo Credit: Hot Stove New York)
Hughes’ delivery has changed over the course of the last year or so: FACT
It is not as drastic a change as it’s being made out to be, as I’ll get to
in a minute, but there is most definitely a change as far as I can tell.
Hughes’ current arm angle is higher than it was during his minor league
career: FACT
This is very, very slight. I’m not even convinced that it is part of the
problem. But, Hughes’ arm angle is just a tiny bit higher than it was a
couple years ago. Check out the photos below and keep the slightly different
camera angles in mind. ‘06 is on the left and ‘08 is on the right.
If you can really see a significant different then I give you all the credit
in the world. But although I think he is maybe just a shade higher than he
was in ‘06, I really don’t think there’s as much to it as people are
making it out like it is.
Where’s The Difference?
Everyone seems to have an opinion of late about what is different about Phil
Hughes mechanics. Surely, everyone is not wrong; there is something different
as I established above. But, what no one has nailed down for sure is what
exactly has changed. From what I’ve found after some excruciatingly long
looks at video clips is something different than what’s previous been talked
about. Take a look at these comparisons below. Again, ‘08 is on the right
and ‘06 is on the left.
From balance point, to hands breaking, to the point where Hughes’ is about
to begin his rear leg lift, there is nothing different worth noting. The top
comparison may look slightly different but keep in mind the ‘08 angle is far
more straight on. Again, there is nothing significantly changed at this point
through his delivery.
The Real Change
I wish I had a better visual for this but stay with me. From the video
analysis, it appears Hughes’ mechanic change begins after his rear leg lift.
Before that, I don’t see anything that looks like a legitimate difference in
his delivery. This, however, is. Check out the picture comparison.
See anything? If you look close I think you will. In ‘06, Hughes throwing
right over that front leg. It was firming up beautifully and his rear leg was
lifting straight up. I’ve been trying to think of the best way to describe
this, but the only thing that keeps coming into my mind is that it looks like
his right shoulder is pulling or leading the rest of his body here in ‘08.
In ‘06 it was leg drive making his follow through work. Also take note that
his head seems to get turned or snapped at the end of his arm action in ‘08.
This was not the case in ‘06. His head in ‘06 was still upright and turned
toward the plate. In ‘08, his head is being pulled down by his aggressive
front shoulder pulling downward. Check out the clip of what I’m talking
about.
My Final Theory
I’ve yet to weigh in on this and stood by while other analysts on the web
have examined in. So, what’s my point in this article? A. Too much is being
made of other supposed issues in his mechanics prior to his follow through. I
hope I was able to ease some Yankee fans fears that there really is no other
changes up this point in his delivery. The change I did touch on however, I
do think could be a direct cause of his lessened velocity since over the past
year. Is it because of the hamstring injury? I can’t say for sure either
way, but considering much of my focus in this article has been on that front
leg in question, it is certainly possible.
But, the bottom line is right now is that from what I can see, Hughes is
pushing against that front leg and not driving over and through it. Hence,
the reason for the less aggressive looking follow through with his leg that I
pointed out above. The problem is not arm speed, nor is it arm angle or the
way his hands are breaking, at least from what I can tell. Through 75% of his
delivery, essentially nothing has changed. The leg lift and follow through
certainly appear different, though.
Recommendation For Repair
Whether the Yankees want this repaired I don’t know. Perhaps they feel with
his delivery his command will be better. What I see, however, besides
effecting velocity, it is impacting command as well. With his shoulder
pulling downwards towards his left side, it is essentially creating the same
situation as pulling off his pitches. And, pulling off, typically causes
pitches to leak arm side (In Hughes’ case, in on righty hitters). From
watching most of Hughes’ starts, pitches leaking back towards the middle has
gotten him in some trouble quite frequently.
So, what to do? I’d say the first step would be taking some pressure off of
that right shoulder. And, to do that, Hughes would need to once again be
aggressive with his legs and get that high rear leg lift. This will certainly
make his bend at the waist much more smooth, rather being pulled down by his
shoulder. In my opinion, he simply needs to get his weight transfer flowing
smoothly right over and through his front side rather than his weight
transfering into that front leg but not over it.
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I’d like to be clear that this is my opinion. I do not claim to be right at
all times; in fact I know I’m not. People have differing mechanical
philosophies and I applied mine in this article. I’m making this little
disclaimer because I know what a hot topic Hughes’ mechanics have become.
This is simply what I view to be the potential mechanical change/flaw behind
Phil Hughes’ supposed loss off velocity. Enjoy the article.
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1F:推 deathcustom:叹 04/10 13:28
2F:推 Beretta:大帝啊大帝...希望能调整回来 04/10 13:32
3F:推 yuppy1314:楼上ID很熟.. 04/10 13:34
4F:推 bymee:球速降了以外,曲球好像也投不进去... 04/10 13:37
5F:推 bigsun0709:不会今年打完才後悔当初没拿去换山大王吧(哭哭) 04/10 13:47
6F:→ hergan:楼上 搞不好= = 04/10 13:58
7F:推 TomCourtenay:没有球速的Hughes...把大帝这个很讽刺的绰号丢掉吧! 04/10 14:01
8F:推 unknowday:那就叫他大弟吧 = = 04/10 14:25
9F:→ redzero:还是他的能力是介於3A跟MLB之间 04/10 15:08
10F:推 siliver:Ace掉到2~3号也还好吧 =.=a 04/10 15:15
11F:推 TheBeast:差很多喔..... 2~3号跟之前的期待是有落差的 04/10 15:17
12F:推 loloool:大帝都不大帝了 现金人以为每个农作物都像王或cano一样吧 04/10 15:14
13F:→ TheBeast:调不回来的话 是不是只剩张狮 ... 惨 04/10 15:19
14F:推 belister:最早还希望是...火箭人 04/10 15:24
15F:推 tonychou:大弟是赖东进的弱智弟弟吗?(有看过乞丐孩子的人应该知道) 04/10 15:31
※ 编辑: leddy 来自: 140.130.152.70 (04/10 15:36)
16F:推 mdbbd:能自己养出3号以上就不错了 昂牌那麽好出还叫王牌? 04/10 15:36
17F:→ mdbbd:基本上养出来的能站稳就算赚到了 04/10 15:36
18F:推 kauw:真投不出来 交易价值也会大减..留着自己用吧 3号先发也不错 04/10 15:37
19F:推 a2156700:哈雷路亚 呛司... 04/10 15:41
20F:推 raygod:还年轻又不急... 04/10 16:21
21F:推 CarlPainvano:都是我的错QQ 04/10 16:30
22F:推 qlz:楼上orz 04/10 16:33
23F:推 tigernaxo:大帝上来之前很多人预测肯定排在19胜的王前面... 04/10 16:43
24F:推 Nilthoron:Hughes还很年轻大家不要急 04/10 16:50
25F:推 playball:球迷们不用担心 04/10 17:07
26F:推 slidshodness:重点是球速阿,很少有人越老球速越快 04/10 17:28
27F:推 Aldousphyx:没错.现在看他投球很像在看35岁的moose.控球还比较差.. 04/10 17:33
28F:推 iawhite:希望Hughes在五月之前恢复正常会很贪心吗=v=; 04/10 17:56
29F:推 hotcom:像王?王的期盼本来没那麽高唷 04/10 17:59
30F:推 henk:王本来评估只能做RP喔.....香汗的评估比较好 3号SP 04/10 18:09
31F:推 superjerry2:王完全是自己发奋练出A++的伸卡...不然..= = 04/10 18:26
32F:→ superjerry2:想像一下现在的王没有伸卡就知道了 04/10 18:27
33F:推 andy114425:王当初的签初金全部加一加有201万,花了这麽多钱签一个 04/10 19:23
34F:→ andy114425:评估只能做RP的选手,就算当初没有料到会有现在的好表 04/10 19:24
35F:→ andy114425:现,应该也没这麽不堪吧? 04/10 19:26
36F:→ andy114425:这种签约金应该有第一轮的水准了吧?有高手可以告知一 04/10 19:27
37F:→ andy114425:下洋基当初对他的期待吗? 04/10 19:28
38F:推 smalljon2010:叫大地吧 04/10 21:27
39F:推 bryon:若是只有2.3号的话.当初没换山大王这件事…就有待商确了XD 04/10 21:56
40F:推 nick0919:看到id先推在看文 感谢l大 04/10 23:48
41F:推 hiro1221:其实王跟Cano当初在农场都不算顶级新秀吧... 04/11 00:18
42F:推 wjc:王当初的签约金是第一轮的水准,洋基的期望当然是养成王牌 04/11 00:29
43F:推 hergan:当初要是换到 1.山塔那 2.王建民 3.佩提特 4.穆西那 超威 04/11 00:29
44F:→ wjc:後来评估王只能做RP是因为王在2A成绩太差,可能无法在MLB当先发 04/11 00:30
45F:→ wjc:如果能当RP那签约金也不算浪费,由来就是如此 04/11 00:31