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时间Tue Apr 8 21:06:20 2008
※ 引述《peking (=.=)》之铭言:
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※ [本文转录自 CMWang 看板]
作者: wesun (统一狮王重返荣耀^^) 站内: CMWang
标题: [外电] Twenty-three guys better than Wang? No chance
时间: Tue Apr 8 13:12:52 2008
网路上看到到的...不知道有没有PO过
我不会缩网址 sorry= ="
http://www.bugsandcranks.com/new-york-yankees/twenty-three-guys-better-than-wang-no-chance/
(前文恕删)
9. Chris Young — Laughable that he is on this list. Won 9 games last year
and has never won more than 12 in his career. Nice 3.12 ERA, but no better
than a two or three on any staff, anywhere. On the Yankees he would be third
behind Wang and Andy Pettitte, and maybe fourth behind Phil Hughes.
Advantage: Wang
真是有够好笑的,克力士杨居然在这份名单上.去年总共赢了9场,过去从未有单季12胜
以上的纪录.好的自责分率3.12,但应该只是2号或3号的投球内容.如果在洋基必然排在小王
以及派帅的後面,甚至有可能在休斯的後面呢!
小王占上风!
10. Cole Hamels — Hamels is headed for a terrific career.
Yet, he has had one full big-league season and has yet to pitch 200 innings.
Is he even the Phillies ace, or would that title go to Brett Myers who is
back in the rotation after spending last year in the bullpen?
Advantage: Wang
汉默斯的职业生涯才正要开始呢!他尚未有一个完整的大联盟球季也从未单季
投过200局以上.他是否会成为费城人的Ace,又或者Ace的头衔将会被去年转到牛棚的
迈尔斯拿下?
小王占上风!
11. John Lackey — Dominant last season (19-9, 3.01 ERA), but more like
Pettitte than a true No. 1. He’s been good for a while, but had never won
more than 14 games prior to last season. I need to see him do it again before
I call him a true ace. Advantage: Wang
去年球季雷奇展现了他的宰制能力,但比起真正的Ace他更像派帅.他表现不赖
已有一段时间了,但从未像去年一样赢得这麽多场,以前最多只不过赢了14场.他必须再一
次展现去年球季般的宰制能力我才会称他是Ace.
小王占上风!
12. Gil Meche — Like Chris Young, I find it incomprehensible that anyone can
think Meche is a better pitcher than Wang. Won 15 games in 2003, but hasn’t
won more than 11 since. Went 9-13 last year. I know he hasn’t pitched for
good teams, but this is a guy with a 4.47 ERA in 8 seasons. He might be the
best starter the Royals have, but you can hardly call him an ace.
Advantage: Wang
如同克力士杨一般,我无法理解为何有人会认为梅许会优於小王.梅许03球季
赢了15场,但之前从为赢超过11场以上,去年是9胜13败,你可能会认为那是因为他一直没有
在很好的球队投球的关系,但是看看他的自责分率吧:8个球季平均4.47.他可能是皇家队
最棒的先发投手,但是你几乎无法称他为Ace.
小王轻松获胜!
13. Justin Verlander — This guy is a young Smoltz, a flamethrower who can be
absolutely dominant when he is right. He went 35-15 the past two seasons,
and at 25 is still growing into what will likely be a great career.
Topped 200 innings for the first time last season (201). He has not been
successful in the post-season yet, starting four games and pitching to a
5.82 ERA. Right now, he and Wang are probably equal. Verlander, though,
is still getting better. Advantage: Verlander
这个家伙是年轻版本的史摩兹,一个当他状况好的时候能够宰制比赛的火球投手.过去两季
35胜15败而且才25岁,一个仍会进步的年纪.去年他首次投出200局以上.不过仍然没有好的
季後赛表现,4场先发5.82的自责分率.目前看来他和王似乎是差不多.但是瓦兰德将会变得
更好.
瓦兰德胜出!
14. Matt Cain — Are you freakin’ kidding me? A guy who went 7-16 last
season and has a 22-29 career record? Ridiculous!
Advantage: Wang
你是在开诡异的玩笑吗?一个去年投出7胜16败,生涯只有22胜29败的投手?太荒谬了!
小王占上风!
15. Mark Buerhle – A couple of years ago this might have been an argument.
In 2004 and 2005 Buerhle was an ace. He has fallen a long way, though, going
22-22 the past two seasons and seeing his innings drop from 245 in 2004 to
201 last year. Buerhle is a middle of the rotation guy at this point in his
career. Advantage: Wang
两年前或许还有商榷的空间.在04和05年柏里确实是Ace.但他已经坠落很久了.
过去两季22胜22败而且可以吃的局数从245滑落到去年的201.现在的柏里只能够是先发轮值
表中间的投手了.
小王获胜!
16. Oliver Perez — When I stop laughing maybe I’ll comment on this …………
OK, 15-10, 3.64 ERA last year. A nice year when there were no expectations
for him, but he’s not an ace. When the Pirates thought he was ,he pitched
himself back to AAA. Better than Wang? If you think so I feel sorry for you.
Advantage: Wang
当我停止大笑的时候或许我会回答你培瑞兹是否是个Ace.去年15胜10败3.64的
自责分率是蛮不错的啦.但那是在没有人对他有任何期待之下的成绩啦,但他绝对不是Ace.
当海盗队觉得他能扛起Ace的重任时,培瑞兹用他的投球表现把自己又送回了3A.比小王好?
假如你真那麽以为我只能为你感到抱歉了.
小王占上风!
17. Scott Kazmir — Now this is a guy who COULD be an ace. He won a career high
13 games with a 3.48 ERA and worked more innings than Wang (206.7), but he is
still young and still has a lot to prove. Included in that is whether or not
he can stay healthy, carry a staff and pitch well in meaningful, pressure games
. So far, he’s done none of those things. Advantage: Wang
凯兹摩的确有可能成为Ace.去年赢了13场自责分率3.48而且投了比小王多的
206.7局,但他仍然过於年轻,有许多事情等着他去证明.其中包括了他是否能保持健康,
在重要的有压力的比赛中是否能投得好.目前为止他都尚未证明这些.
小王获胜!
18. Kelvim Escobar — Had a breakout season last year (18-7, 3.40 ERA),
but prior to that was 90-90 in the first 10 seasons of his career.
Great stuff, but one good season does not make him an ace.
Advantage: Wang
去年是爱思科巴重大突破的一年,18胜7败3.40的自责分率.但在之前的10季里面
90胜90败,有好的投球内容却没有足够好的一个球季让他成为Ace.
小王获胜!
19. Tim Hudson — This guy ‘was’ an ace for years in Oakland. He went 16-10
with a 3.33 ERA for Atlanta in 2007, his best season since 2003. Chews up a
lot of innings and is a very good pitcher. To me, a lot like Haren or even
Mike Mussina in his prime. Very good, I want him on my staff. But, I’m not
sure he’s a No. 1 any longer. Advantage: Wang
当哈森还在运动家队的时候的确是个Ace.去年哈森为勇士队贡献了16胜10败
3.33的自责分率,但他最好的球季是03年.他是个非常好的投手,可以吃下许多的局数.对
我而言,哈森比较类似於海伦或是年轻时候的穆西纳.我会很想要他在我的轮值表中,但是
我怀疑他早已不是Ace了.
小王获胜!
20. Chad Billingsley — This guy has tremendous ability and might someday
be an ace, but it’s too early for him to be in this conversation.
It would like putting the Yankees’ Hughes in here, and at this point
neither of them belong. Advantage: Wang
毕林斯利是个拥有很大天份某天或许会成为Ace的投手,但现在把他放在这里
似乎有些言之过早.你也可以把休斯放在这里,但是现在此时,他们两个都还称不上Ace.
小王获胜!
21. Roy Oswalt — This guy is an ace, but last year pitched his fewest innings
(212) and won his fewest games (14) since 2003. He is a guy who doesn’t fear
big games and has a 3-2 record in post-season with a 3.66 ERA. This is a tough
call for me, but based on how long he has been doing it and the fact that he
is still at — or very near — his peak, I would go with the Astro ace.
Advantage: Oswalt
奥士华是个Ace!虽然他去年投出自03年以来最少胜(14)以及生涯最少
局数(201)的一年.他不畏惧大比赛,在季後赛里他拥有3胜2败3.66的自责分率.奥士华胜过
小王这个决定对我来说是很困难的,但就他的过去纪录以及他仍在巅峰或巅峰附近,
我仍决定选择这个太空人队的Ace.
奥士华胜出!
22. Fausto Carmona — Carmona was tremendous last season in his first full year
in the big leagues, going 19-8 with a 3.06 ERA in 215 innings. If he can do it
again then I’ll say he is Wang’s class. But not yet. Advantage: Wang
卡默纳去年有着了不起的一个球季19胜8败在215局中拥有3.06的自责分率,
同时也是他的第一个完整球季.假如他能够再一次展现出这样令人惊艳的球季,那麽我将会
把他归於与王同一个等级,但是他仍然没有.
小王获胜!
23. Brad Penny — Penny has gone 32-13 the past two seasons. He did, however,
post a 4.33 ERA in 2006 and that’s not an ‘ace’ ERA. Like with Carmona,
I need to see another year like 2007, when he posted a 3.03 ERA and pitched
208 innings before I call him a real ace. Advantage: Wang
过去两季潘尼一共是32胜13败,但是06年ERA却是糟糕的4.33,这不是一个Ace应
该有的ERA.跟卡默纳一样,他必须要证明07年3.03的ERA以及208局的投球是货真价实的我才
会称他是真正的Ace.
小王获胜!
So, of the 23 starting pitchers ‘Chad’ wants to put ahead of Wang I will
give you five, and call Sabathia a ‘push.’ That doesn’t mean there are only
5 guys better than Wang (Roy Halladay, for example, wasn’t on this list).
因此,在查德的23个名单里只有五位胜过小王,而萨巴西亚则是平手.当然这并
不表示只有这五位投手是胜过小王的,比如说不在名单内的洛依 哈勒戴.
If you are fair about it, though, and really look at the numbers you have to
admit Wang ranks pretty darn high on the list of best starting pitchers in the
league.
如果你真的很看重这些数字,那麽你必须承认小王的等级在所有先发投手中的确是他X的高.
(原文的darn是美国人不方便写damn时候的代替用法)
An ace? Definitely.
Arguments, anyone? Let’s hear ‘em.
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1F:推 faekyle:夸张 连红袜的新人投手都有 04/08 13:14
2F:→ faekyle:看错 没事 04/08 13:15
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4F:推 fjjkk:很多棒球作家很爱讨论这个问题 大概是看洋基的ace被一个黄皮 04/08 13:40
5F:→ fjjkk:肤的人占据 想尽办法要贬低他的身价 比王建民好的投手很多 04/08 13:41
6F:→ fjjkk:但是我想王是最适合洋基的 04/08 13:42
7F:推 birdy590:神经病才会列 Oliver Perez 04/08 13:44
8F:→ birdy590:几个小朋友就更不用说了, 养不养的起来都是未知数 04/08 13:44
9F:推 aftermathx:楼上至少把标题看完再推文吧 04/08 13:44
10F:→ aftermathx:2楼 04/08 13:46
11F:推 bozzio71:洋基是团体作战 没有明星球员(误) 04/08 13:48
12F:推 jayin07:Twenty-three guys better than Wang?「 No chance」 04/08 13:49
13F:推 redsnipertd:...二楼超酷的,比王建民好的投手会不适合洋基喔? 04/08 13:49
14F:推 stan7228: 这篇是在证明 王是Ace吧 04/08 13:51
15F:推 chanword:....又要开始摆板凳、吃鸡排了吗?O_o? 04/08 13:52
16F:→ birdy590:比王好不代表穿 Pinstripes 就投的好, 失败例子很多啊 04/08 13:53
17F:推 hiro1221:这作家明明就很挺王... 04/08 13:55
18F:推 gpl:看到他说ridiculous 我也跟着笑出来了~~~ 04/08 13:59
19F:推 scal:太唬烂了 JAKE Peavy比王差? 04/08 14:00
20F:推 momogo11:这篇是在挺王吧= =" 04/08 14:06
21F:推 hollowmanx:这作家超级自嗨...XD 04/08 14:06
22F:推 dracla:这篇在挺王啊...二楼你看了内文吗? 04/08 14:06
23F:→ dracla:是说他真的吼HIGH啊XD~~~ 04/08 14:07
24F:推 gcgc:简单看一下内文你就会知道他对小王有满满的爱= =a 04/08 14:44
25F:推 smw:不用看内文啦...看一下每一点的最後两个字就好了XD 04/08 14:49
26F:推 Picoro:这证明 , 当文章的英文多时 , 少数人会不看内文就翻译 = =" 04/08 15:04
27F:推 alexcoco:真的有虎烂 有点high 04/08 15:19
28F:推 bigsun0709:徵求翻译蒟蒻...>< 04/08 15:25
29F:推 RaXePhOnZeRo:根本没看文就骂人... 04/08 16:12
30F:推 Boyzone:小王越低调越能投出好成绩 04/08 16:34
31F:推 ms8706616:先把16..18..20去掉吧... 04/08 16:44
32F:推 Levi:用胜败场次来比Matt Cain和王建民,这种文章需要认真看吗? 04/08 17:10
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33F:推 tseng1304:推一下,原PO辛苦了,期待下文~ 04/08 19:08
34F:推 FantastHL:推!!辛苦了 04/08 19:11
35F:推 cherubictw:辛苦了 推一下 04/08 19:12
36F:推 Melson:推 04/08 19:13
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37F:推 nickyang:这就是所谓写英文的乡民-_- 04/08 21:15
38F:推 hitler941627:推楼上~~~ 04/08 21:43
39F:推 unbisepenn:感谢翻译 04/08 21:49
40F:推 albertjet:这个外国人的本国语言只学到wins吗? 04/09 00:36