※ 引述《JilSander (Doer brokenheart)》之铭言： ※ [本文转录自 CMWang 看板] 作者: wesun (统一狮王重返荣耀^^) 站内: CMWang 标题: [外电] Twenty-three guys better than Wang? No chance 时间: Tue Apr 8 13:12:52 2008 网路上看到到的...不知道有没有PO过 我不会缩网址 sorry= =" http://www.bugsandcranks.com/new-york-yankees/twenty-three-guys-better-than-wang-no-chance/ My post about whether or not Chien-Ming Wang is an ace seems to have stirred up the passions on both sides. 关於我写的文章探讨小王究竟是不是Ace似乎引起了很大的讨论, 无论这些讨论是赞成或者是反对 ‘Chad’ goes so far as to take up my challenge to name 10 better starters — with stats — by dropping 23 names with ERA as his sole piece of evidence. Let’s be serious here and take Chad’s entire list, from my perspective, and I’ll tell you which pitcher I think is better right now. 查德(我猜是有人针对他前一篇评论Wang的文章作的回应)举了23个他认为比小王好的 先发投手,并且付上ERA以资证明.现在让我们认真面对查德先生的这份名单,我将会阐述 我的观点并且告诉你,我认为那些投手目前确实是比小王好. Here is the list. 这里是查德的名单 1. Jake Peavy 杰克 皮维,教士队 2. Johan Santana 犹汉 山塔纳,大都会队 3. Josh Beckett 贾许 贝克特,红袜队 4. CC Sabathia 西西 萨巴西亚,印地安人队 5. Erik Bedard 艾瑞克 贝达德,水手队 6. Brandon Webb 布兰登 韦伯,响尾蛇队 7. John Smoltz 约翰 史摩兹,勇士队 8. Dan Haren 丹 海伦,响尾蛇队 9. Chris Young 克力士 杨,教士队 10. Cole Hamels 寇 海默斯,费城人队 11. John Lackey 约翰 雷奇,天使队 12. Gil Meche 吉儿 梅许,皇家队 13. Justin Verlander贾思汀 瓦兰德,老虎队 14. Matt Cain 麦特 该隐,巨人队 15. Mark Buerhle 马克 柏里,白袜队 16. Oliver Perez 欧力佛 培瑞兹,大都会队 17. Scott Kazmir 史考特 凯兹摩,光芒队 18. Kelvim Escobar 凯尔文 爱思科巴,天使队 19. Tim Hudson 提姆 哈森,勇士队 20. Chad Billingsley查德 毕林思利,道奇队 21. Roy Oswalt 洛伊 奥士华,太空人队 22. Fausto Carmona 法士多 卡默纳,老虎队 23. Brad Penny 布瑞德 潘尼,道奇队 Now let’s go one-by-one and break it down, looking at their numbers from 2006 and 2007. Those are, in fairness to Wang, his only full major league seasons. 我们现在让小王和这些投手比较一下2006及2007球季的数据, 这两季是小王的完整球季,这样比较会比较公平. 1. Jake Peavy vs. Wang — 19-6 with a terrific 2.54 ERA last season. But, 11-14 with a worse than league average 4.09 ERA in 2006. Oh, and in two post-season starts, an 0-2 record with a 12.10 ERA. Wang in those two years is 38-13, having lost fewer games in two seasons that Peavy did in one. Advantage: Wang 皮维在07球季有着恐怖的2.54自责分率以及19胜6败的成绩,但是06球季 却是11胜14败高於联盟平均的4.09自责分率,季後赛0胜2败与高达12.10的自责分率. 而小王这两季则是38胜13败,两季加起来输的场数比皮维06年输的还少 小王占上风 2. Johan Santana — The Mets’ prized acquisition is clearly the best left-handed starter in the game (sorry, CC Sabathia). He has won 34 games in the past two seasons, and at least 15 in each of his four years as a starter. I’m not going to argue here, because Santan’s presence would make Wang a No. 2. One thing I will say, though, is a check of Santana’s post-season record reveals only a 1-4 career mark with a 3.97 ERA. So, regular season greatness does not always translate to post-season success. Advantage: Santana 大都会队的山塔纳无疑是当今最好的左投手(萨巴西亚抱歉罗). 这两季共赢得34胜,而且作为一个先发投手,山塔纳过去四年每季至少都有15胜. 毫无疑问的,在山塔那优异表现的面前,小王只能是个二号投手. 但我必须要说一句,季赛的好表现并不一定会带来季後赛的成功. 你看看山塔纳的季後赛表现也不过是1胜4败,3.97的自责分率. 山塔纳占上风 3. Josh Beckett — The only question there has ever been with Beckett has been health. He has answered that the last two seasons, pitching 200 or more innings each season. Beckett won 20 last year, but remember that he did post a 5.01 ERA in 2006. Still, his post-season work — 6-0 in 10 starts with a miniscule 1.73 ERA — separates him. Advantage: Beckett 过去贝克特唯一的问题是他的健康.过去两季贝克特以每年至少200局的贡献告诉大家 "我是健康宝宝"去年贝克特赢了20场,但请别忘记他06年5.01糟糕的自责分率.另外 他每到季後赛就好像变成超人一样,总共十次先发就赢了六场,而且自责分率是很变态的 1.73. 贝克特占上风 4. CC Sabathia — 19-7 last season with a 3.21 ERA while winning the Cy Young Award, but only 7 games over .500 in the three seasons prior to that. Oh, and what did CC do in the playoffs last season? A 5.40 ERA against the Yankees and 10.45 in two starts against Boston. Again, regular season success means nothing in the post-season. Sabathia pitched 241 innings last season, the first time since 2002 he topped the 200 mark. I need to see him do it again. Advantage: None 萨巴西亚去年以19胜7败3.21的自责分率赢得了赛扬奖(後半句看不懂) 但是季後赛呢?对洋基的自责分率高达5.40,对红袜的自责分率更是惨不忍睹的10.45. 再一次的,我们印证了"季赛的好表现并不一定会带来季後赛的成功". 去年萨巴西亚一共投了241局,但这是他唯一投超过200局的一季,他必须持续证明他能够 吃下这麽多的局数. 平手 5. Erik Bedard — Bedard is a nice pitcher, and I give him tons of credit for going 28-16 over two seasons with the bumbling Orioles. His 3.16 ERA pitching largely in that bandbox in Baltimore — almost 1.5 runs below league average — is impressive. But, Bedard has never pitched 200 innings in a season and you can’t be an ace if you haven’t proven you can carry the workload — which he hasn’t. Also, despite his nice numbers can you name a meaningful game the guy has ever pitched in. Let’s see what he does this season with Seattle before we even consider Bedard for ‘ace’ status. Advantage: Wang 贝达德是个好投手,我可以为他背书,因为他居然能在三不五时就要大爆炸的金莺队里 取得过去两季28胜16败的成绩.在大爆炸的金莺队里,他的自责分率是3.16,甚至远远地 低於联盟平均达1.5分,这十分令人印象深刻.但是贝达德从来没有在一季投超过200局, 如果他无法证明他能够吃下这麽多局数,那麽他也无法成为真正的Ace. 而且在他这麽亮眼的数据中,你却无法说出他有任何一场令人印象深刻的比赛. 再称呼他为Ace之前,我想,我们先看看他在西雅图的表现再说吧. 小王占上风 6. Brandon Webb — The reigning NL Cy Young Award winner is a sinkerballer and maybe the most similar guy to Wang on this entire list. Webb has won 34 games the past two seasons and has pitched at least 229 innings each of the past three seasons. He strikes out more hitters than Wang and gives up fewer hits, but I would like to see how he would fare against American League lineups. For now, though, I’d give him a slight edge. Advantage: Webb 韦伯是现任的国家联盟赛扬奖得主,同时他也是这份名单中最性质最接近小王的人 ----伸卡球.韦伯过去两季赢了34场,而且过去三年每年至少投229局.他比小王三振了更多 的人,被打出更少的安打,可是,我很想看看如果是在美国联盟的话,他还能有这样的表现吗? 但是就现在而言,我认为他还是赢了小王一丁点. 韦伯胜出! 7. John Smoltz –The Braves’ righty has been a great pitcher for a long time, there is no arguing that. He has won 30 games combined and pitched more than 200 innings in each of the past two seasons. He has been a terrific post-season pitcher as well, going 12-12 with a 2.65 ERA and four saves in 40 appearances. If I was choosing someone to build around I would take Wang. If I need someone to start one game, there is probably no one else I would rather give the ball to than Smoltz, who will soon be 41. Advantage: Smoltz 这位勇士队的右投手长久以来毫无疑问的都有好的表现.过去两季共赢得30场胜投而且 每季都至少投200局以上,季後赛的表现更是棒得没话说,在他40次的出赛中,一共是 12胜12败4救援2.65的自责分率.如果要选球员来组成球队,我会选王,但是如果只是 选一个人来先发一场,没有人可以取代史摩兹让我将手中的球交给他,虽然他即将要41岁了 史摩兹胜出! 8. Dan Haren — When was this guy ever the ace of any staff he has been on? He’s certainly not the ace this year in Arizona, so I’m not sure he should even be in this conversation. His 15-9 record last season was the most games he has ever won, and the first time in his career he has finished more than two games above .500. He’s a good pitcher and an innings-eater, having pitched at least 217 innings in each of his three full seasons, but that’s all. Advantage: Wang 什麽时候海伦兄拥有过Ace般的身手了?我很确定他不会是响尾蛇队的Ace,我甚至不确定 我该不该花时间在这里讨论他.去年他拿下15胜9败的成绩是他生涯最好的一次(我还是看 不懂後面那句).他是个好投手也是个可以吃下很多局数的投手,过去三个完整球季里他每 季都至少能吃下217局,但就只有这样而已. 小王轻松获胜! (好累~有没有人要接手) (待续) --

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