Chamberlain or Hughes: Who’s got better mechanics? Chamberlain与Hughes:谁的投球机制比较好? by Carlos Gomez August 15, 2007 (前言略) Phil Hughes All you need to know about how I feel about Hughes' mechanics can be found in the two articles I wrote on him earlier this year. In part 1, I said I preferred Hughes' mechanics in 2006: "I don't think he will keep his velocity throughout his career if he keeps doing what he's doing now (2007). I wouldn't be surprised to find that his four-seam fastball's average velocity is declining slightly already due to those (mechanical) changes." 想知道我对Hughes投球机制的看法，可以从我今年稍早的两篇文章里看出。在第一 部份，我说过我比较喜欢Hughes在2006年时的投球机制： "我不认为他能在他的投手生涯始终保持着现在的球速，如果他继续使用现在的 投球机制。对於他在改过投球机制後，四缝线速球的均速有着些微下滑的现象我并 不感到惊讶。" In part 2, I said: "One more thing I'd like to point out. At no point have I said "I don't think he's a good pitcher." Mechanics is just one part of a pitcher's evaluation. His command is excellent, his curveball is outstanding and his changeup (based on his last outing) underrated. His mechanics? A bit overrated." 在第二部份，我提到了： "另一点我想特别说明的是。我从来没说过"我不觉得他是一个好投手"。投球 机制只是评估投手的重点之一。他的控球十分的好，曲球也很出色，而他的变速 球则被低估了(根据Hughes在8/10对笑脸人那场先发的状况)。 他的投球机制呢?有点被高估了。" Joba Chamberlain Last year, after the draft, I wrote an article on last year's draft picks that included this less than positive review of Joba: "This Sidney Ponson wannabe doesn’t have Ponson’s powerful mechanics (not this year, I’m talking years past). I just don’t like him nearly enough for all the buzz he gets. I like athletes, and if he turns out like Ponson, he will weigh 280 in few years. No thank you." 去年在选秀之後，我针对洋基选到的球员写了一篇文章，里面包含了一些对Joba 较不正面的评论: 这个想成为胖松的小子并不具有胖松本人的强力投球机制(我不是指今年，而 是指过去几年的情况)。我就是不喜欢他，因为那些关於他的吹捧。我喜欢健壮的 运动员，而他如果变的像胖松，他会在几年内肥到280磅。谢谢再连络。 Admittedly, that was harsh. However, if you look at Chamberlain's mechanics in 2006 versus his mechanics this year, they have changed significantly... 不可否认的，那篇文掌讲的有点严厉。话说回来，如果你把Chamberlain在2006年 的投球机制与今年的比较，会发现它有了重大的转变...(见附图) These may look similar, but the difference is astounding. In 2007, Joba has much better tempo, as he keeps his body moving and does not interrupt his momentum to the plate by "sitting over the rubber" like he did last year. There's better drive, better "oomph" and a more aggressive element to his delivery. As someone who prefers quick tempo and aggressive deliveries, can you blame me for saying that about Joba last year? Kudos to the Yankees and Joba for making these changes. 这两张可能看起来有点相似，但其中的不同处是让人惊讶的。在2007年，Joba有着 比较好的投球节奏，在他进行投球的动作时，他并不像去年那样有着"坐在投手丘 上"的姿势而中断了向着本垒板的动力。现在他的投球有着更好的传动，更好的活 力以及一点侵略性的元素。对於一个喜欢快速投球节奏与侵略性投球的人来说， 你能够责怪我去年对Joba的那种评论吗?我对洋基队与Joba的这些改变感到赞同。 Having said that, let's compare Joba and Phil in a few key areas. 讲完这些後，来针对几个重要的部份比较一下Joba和Phil吧。 Tempo 投球节奏 Here's a clip of their deliveries. I synchronized them to when both pitchers' left legs pass over the right leg on the way up to their knee lifts: 这里有他们两个人的投球剪辑。我把两个投手从左腿抬高直到他们的右膝抬起 的部份做了同步播放：(见附图) This one's not even close. If anything, I might've actually given Hughes a little bit of a head start in that clip. Regardless, Chamberlain smokes him in this race. Joba has better tempo and carries his body with better momentum into footplant. Simply put, Joba uses his body better. 这个剪辑并不完全接近。如果可以的话，我会再加一点剪辑里Hughes的启始动作。 不管怎麽说，Chamberlain在这个比较中比Hughes要好上许多。Joba有着比较好的 投球节奏而且让他的身体承载了比较多的动力直到脚着地。简单来讲，Joba比较能 运用自己的身体。 Arm action 挥臂动作 Generally speaking, I prefer a Hughes-like short arm action. Note how Phil keeps a slight bend on his elbow as his arm moves back, never fully straightening out like Joba's does. That said, notice how "whippy" Joba's arm is compared to Hughes (frames 11-15). I believe that Hughes' lack of whip is a result of several factors, mainly that Hughes seems to open up his left shoulder early. 整体上来讲，我比较喜欢Hughes那种挥臂路径较短的动作。注意Hughes在他把手臂 拉後时让手肘的部分呈现微弯，而不会像Chamberlain那样完全伸直。这说明了， 与Hughes相比，Chamberlain的手臂是多麽的具有"弹性"(见附图)。我相信造成 Hughes的缺乏弹性是由一些因素造成的，主要是因为Hughes左肩打开的比较早。 (译注:whip在这里翻做弹性，原本的意思是像鞭子一样的把手给甩出去。) I realize that these clips are not perfectly synchronized to release (the limitations of 30 frames/second video), but note where the ball is on the first frame of this sequence. Hughes is further along in the throwing process. In other words, he's got less distance to cover than Joba. Chamberlain appears to have a quicker arm because it has a longer distance to travel, but he covers it in the same amount of time as Hughes. I believe this goes along with their respective tempos. Because Hughes stays over the rubber longer (his tempo is slower), his arm is forced to slow down in order to wait for his front foot to finally land so that he can then unleash. I've had several students with arm action hitches that have benefited greatly by increasing the tempo in their deliveries. As a matter of fact, I had a student today make that exact same adjustment, and while it didn't completely eliminate his hitch (not yet anyway), he now keeps his arm moving through a spot where it would previously come to a stop. 我知道这剪辑并不完全同步(受限於影片每秒30格的限制)，但注意在连续动作中 第一格画面里球的位置。Hughes的投球步骤比较快。换句话说，他的挥臂路径比 Chamberlain来的短。Chamberlain则很明显的挥臂速度较快因为他的挥臂路径比 较长，但是他手挥出去的时间点跟Hughes是很接近的。我相信这是因为他们不同 的投球节奏所造成的。因为Hughes在投手板停留的比较久(他的投球节奏比较慢) ，他的手臂因为必须等到前脚着地才能甩出去而被迫慢下来。我有几个学生有着 挥臂不顺畅的问题，都透过了增快投球节奏而有着显着的改善。事实上，我有个 学生刚做了同样的调整，虽然并不能完全消去他的不顺畅(只是还没罢了)，但他 现在已经能让他的手臂挥过之前动作停顿的那个点了。촊 Here's a clip that I showed in my first Phil Hughes article that compares his mechanics in 2006 to this year. My question to you: Who seems to have better arm speed 以下是在我第一篇Phil Hughes的文章里的剪辑，用来比较他今年与2006年的投球 机制(见附图)。以下是我的问题:谁的挥臂动作看起来比较快? Look, I'm not saying that Hughes' arm action is bad. It's not, although I would prefer the '06 version. However, even with Chamberlain's slight length in the back, his arm is more whippy, he loads the scapula better and has the quicker arm. Edge: Joba 听着，我并不是说Hughes的挥臂动作是不好的。它并不是，只是我比较倾向2006 年的版本。无论如何，即使Chamberlain的路径较长，但他有着较有弹性的手臂， 他的肩胛能承受较多力量，也有着较快的挥臂速度。胜出:Chamberlain Finish/follow through 完成/延伸动作 I'll save you the suspense. Phil has Joba beat in this one. 我不吊你胃口了。Hughes在这点上赢了Chamberlain。 Note how well Hughes buries that right shoulder and gives his arm a nice, long arc that decelerates the arm more smoothly. Joba throws really hard, so it is a bit worrisome that he finishes a bit on the abrupt side. (见附图)注意Hughes把他的右肩压下的多好，这使得他的手臂呈现了一个长而优美 的弧度来让他的手臂能减速的更加顺畅。Chamberlain则是投的十分用力，所以他 的投球动作收尾的有点突然，让人比较担忧。 Other thoughts on mechanics/stuff 其它关於投球机制/球质的看法 1) Hughes repeats his delivery extremely well. It's early and I haven't seen Joba nearly enough, but Hughes is just so consistent at repeating his delivery that I would have a hard time believing that Joba could be better at it. 1) Hughes在重复他的投球动作这方面做的十分出色。而现在还早而且我对 Chamberlain的观察还不够多，但是Hughes始终如一的重复他的投球动作， 让我很难相信Chamberlain有能做更好的空间。 2) Joba has much better hip/shoulder separation than Phil. That separation is indicative of better torque and a driver of velocity. 2} Chamberlain有着与Hughes相较之下较佳的腰臀与肩膀的间隔。这个间隔象徵了 比较好的扭矩与球速的驱动力。 3) Both are very good at firming up the front side and "bringing everything together" at release. Here's Joba: His glove's movement is an indicator. Note that it does not pull it into his hip. Instead, he brings his chest to the glove and tightens everything up in the moments leading up to release. In my article on the swings of Ruth, Bonds, Aaron and A-Rod, I talked about the figure skater analogy. Same concept here. Much like hitters can turn faster by staying tight and keeping their arms and bathead close to their axis of rotation, pitchers who get tight at the end are able to turn faster and control their limbs better. 3) 两个人在维持正面的固定以及将"把一切都凝聚在一起"的释放上都表现的十分 的好。以下是Chamberlain的剪辑(见附图): 他的手套行进路线就像是个指示器。注意到它并没有拉到Chamberlain的臀部。 与此相反的，他把他的胸部带往手套的方向并在球投出的刹那将全身都绷紧。在我 之前讨论Ruth、Bonds、Aaron与A-Rod的文章里，我提到了与溜冰者动作的相关性。 这里的概念是一样的。更像是打者们能藉由保持紧绷和把他们的手臂与棒头贴近他 们的旋转轴而能更快转动身体一样，投手只要能在出手的一瞬间保持紧绷，他就可 以转得更快，也更能够控制他的四肢。 4) Their arm slots are very similar in these clips. I believe Joba should stay there in order to maximize the carry on his four-seam fastball. I prefer that Phil go to the lower, 2006 version of his arm slot. The Hughes clips in this article were from earlier this year, in May. Since coming off the disabled list, it looks like he's going with a lower slot, although I would need to really analyze the video in order to make sure. 4)在这些剪辑里他们两人的出手位置十分的相近。我相信Chamberlain应该继续维持 相同的出手位置来让他的四缝线速球维持最大的效果。至於Hughes我则觉得他的出 手位置应该要低一点，也就是他在2006年的出手位置。在这篇文章里Hughes今年投 球动作的剪辑是比较早的，大约在五月。从伤兵名单回来後，看起来他的出手位置 有比较低，但是我还是得需要真正仔细的研究一下影片来确定。 5) Better fastball: Joba. Better offspeed pitch: This one's really close, but I have to give the edge to Joba's sick slider over Phil's excellent curveball and underrated changeup. I've seen Hughes' slider once, and it was pretty good, but I'd need to see it a few more times to make an accurate assessment of it. Better Command: Hughes, hands-down. 5) 拥有比较好的速球的人:Chamberlain 拥有比较好的速差球种的人:这点两人可说是十分接近，但我还是觉得Chamberlain 的变态滑球赢过了Hughes的绝佳曲球和被低估的变速球。我曾经看过一次Hughes的 滑球，它看起来十分的不错，但我还是得多看几次才能做出准确的评价。 拥有比较好的控球的人:Hughes，这点毫无疑问。 Final Thoughts 结语 Given the choice between the two, whom do I take? It is very difficult to ignore Hughes' track record, stuff, feel for pitching and his outstanding command. That said, assuming their mechanics remain similar to what they are right now, Joba has a better chance of keeping his plus-plus stuff as he ages. Yes, I worry about Joba's physique and his abrupt finish. Assuming that Joba can keep his weight under control (it looks like he's in better shape), right now, from a mechanical efficiency point-of-view, the choice is clear. Give me the quick tempo, momentum-building, aggressive pitcher who struck out almost 14 batters per nine innings in the minors this year. I agree with you Mr. Law, 如果要在这两人里面挑一个，我会选谁呢?Hughes的出赛纪录，球质，投球的感觉 与他那杰出的控球很难让人忽略。这麽说吧，假设他们的投球机制都持续保持着 现状，Chamberlain比较有机会能在他往後的生涯保持现在绝佳的球质。没错，我 对於Chamberlain的体型与他那较突然的收尾动作感到担心。假设他能继续保持他 的体重(看起来他现在的体型比较好)，在当下，以投球机制的角度来说，选择 结果是明显的。这个有着快速投球节奏，充满动力，具侵略性并在今年的小联盟 有着平均每九局三振将近十四名打者成绩的投手。 Joba Chamberlain is my pick. 我会选择Chamberlain。 原文出处:http://tinyurl.com/35sd5w 谬误之处，还请不吝指教 --

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