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※ [本文转录自 CMWang 看板] 作者: akainorei (我是Babyface澳客) 看板: CMWang 标题: [外电] Wang-o-Rama: All Hail the King? 时间: Wed Sep 5 13:26:44 2007 刚刚看到, 应该没OP http://eastwindupchronicle.com/?p=45 Wang Chien-Ming is the king of Taiwan. Wang, whose name literally means ‘king’ in Chinese, is Taiwan’s most revered and loved celebrity. The New York Yankees’ #1 starter is the first Taiwanese celebrity to achieve widespread international recognition (with the possible exception of filmmaker Ang Li, Madame Chiang Kai Shek and actress/Penthouse centerfold Hsu Chi), and a source of national pride every time he takes the hill for the storied New York Yankees. And what’s not to love about a player that has emerged as the ace of the world’s most successful baseball franchise, finished second in the AL Cy Young voting to Johan Santana in 2006, starts charities to benefit underprivileged kids in his free time, and has even had the courage to boycott the bloodthirsty and reckless Taiwanese media since moving to New York? Owing to his unusually composed demeanor, seemingly incorruptible personality on an island notorious for political corruption, and celebrity cache (that gives Taiwan the rare occasion to stick it China as the mainland siphons off its jobs and challenges its statehood), Wang takes center stage on a daily basis on the TV and in the papers. As a result, without a costly mlb.com package, baseball fans on the island have to get used to the following order of priorities: Wang Chien Ming first, The Yankees second, and baseball third. Wang fever in Taiwan can reach absurd levels. ESPN in Taiwan re-runs every game he pitches in 4 or 5 times in a week, while remaining Yankee games broadcast two to three times a day while the vast majority of MLB games go untelevised. For fans on the island interested in the bigger picture of the game, pennant races, or teams outside of the AL East, it can get vexing watching the Taiwanese media lavish more attention on a single start from Wang (or Wang having a conversation with Ron Guidry in the dugout) than it does on, say, Barry Bonds breaking the all-time home run record. Save for the occasional Red Sox game featuring Matsuzaka, or a even rarer Dodgers game where Hong Chih Kuo invariably gets lit up, Yankees games are by and large the only exposure fans get to MLB. One can well imagine the stunned silence, general confusion, and silent facial contortions of protest (as well as nasty emails) I get from Taiwanese baseball fans when I make the following outrageous claims: Wang at this stage of his career makes a very good #2 pitcher for a successful rotation but has not yet developed the qualities of a true staff ace, the jury is still out on his long term value, and the oft-cheerleading media and fans have jumped the gun a bit by placing Wang in the top tier of starting pitchers in MLB. I also get jeers when I suggest that fans in Taiwan, due 24/7 exposure in the media, conflate Wang’s historical and cultural importance with his actual talents on the field. Wang’s demeanor, high winning percentage, and league-best sinker certainly give him the potential to be mentioned in the same breath with Webb, Sabathia, and Johan, but he’s not there. Not yet. Naysayer! Cynic! Playa Hater! (being pelted with stinky tofu) First off, a fair assessment of Wang’s ability has to point to stats beyond his W-L record. Wang’s win totals are highly inflated due to an inordinate amount of run support—nearly 7 runs per game (6.8)—and excellent defensive support (The Yankee defense behind Wang, didn’t allow an unearned run in 47 consecutive innings, the longest such streak for a Yankee pitcher since the Elias Sports Bureau began tracking the stat in 1913). Every time Wang takes the hill the Yanks spot him 7 runs and never make any errors. This is a recipe for putting up a lot of wins regardless of who is on the mound. Or, to quote a Seattle Mariners scout in Taiwan who tried to sign Wang before he ended up on the Yankees, “take Wang off the Yankees and put him on a weak-hitting team, and he’s a .500 pitcher”. Wang has other attributes that suggest that some of the fawning over his performance thus far might not be warranted yet. This year, left-handed hitters are hitting .283 against him. Since the All-Star break this year, Wang the king has put up a respectable 7-2 record, but has an average E.R.A. (4.50) and hitters are opposing hitters are hitting .296. Due to his high ground ball percentage, a lot of these runs get cancelled out in double plays, but putting that many runners on base could be a recipe for trouble come playoff time. In fact, Wang’s stats this year are eerily similar to those put up by Greg Maddux at age 41, whom most statisticians and fans would describe as having a decent but unspectacular season in the twilight of his career. Maddux is regarded as the Padres #3 starter, certainly not their ace at this point. While it might not be the only factor in the equation, the extra 2 runs per game Wang receives in run support from the Bronx Bomber offense surely plays a big part in the 6 game difference in the win column: Wang 166.1IP, 16 wins, 6 losses, 3.79 ERA, 86 K’s, 45BB’s, 1.27 WHIP Maddux 168.2IP, 10 wins, 9 losses, 3.79 ERA, 89 K’s, 21BB’s, 1.20 WHIP That’s not to say Wang doesn’t have the capability to be a true ace, in fact, he’s nearly there. With the league’s best sinker that Yankees pitching coach Ron Guidry compares to trying to hit a shot put, and a 96 MPH heater, there’s no denying the talent is in place. He’s young, he’s already won a ton of games, and has room to grow. But he’s not all the way there yet, and often times this gets lost in the shuffle as the Taiwanese media clamors to put up yet another full-page spread singing his praises. __________________ More important than these statistical comparisons, the Taiwanese media, notorious for fabricating news stories and desperate to sensationalize anything they can in order to gain ratings–more than the unassuming Wang himself– can be blamed for the premature overhyping of the man of the hour. In Wang you have a highly marketable, good looking, reputable celebrity that’ s tailor made to sell papers and merchandise. But in the end, Taiwanese baseball fans, who might care more about the game itself with exposure to different teams, lose out in the end due to the disproportionate amount of airtime lavished upon Wang at this early stage in his career. They almost never get to see NL teams. They don’t get to see Pujols, Santana, Hanley, or even Bonds. This deprives them of the joy of seeing all the game’s stars, the thrill of pennant races, the ability to view baseball from a more objective perspective, and the perspective to see Wang within the greater overall context of the game. Because of Wang’s success in pinstripes, Taiwanese fans have almost without exception embraced the Yankees as their favorite team. From an overall standpoint, if what matters to Taiwanese fans is that Wang has put Taiwan on the map and given them something to cheer for after a long day at the factory, that’s great. 真是中肯又带点残酷的报导 --



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1F:推 leonardoyeh:这人对台湾还真有研究.... 09/05 13:32
2F:推 mooby:把王跟舒琪比............................................ 09/05 13:32
3F:推 jrshiun:还跟蒋介石比 09/05 13:34
4F:推 linnx:被拿来跟那几个人比... 除了李安 其他的... orz 09/05 13:34
5F:→ linnx:那个应该是蒋夫人 09/05 13:35
6F:推 akainorei:不是, 是蒋介石夫人 09/05 13:34
7F:推 beast1969:这是华人媒体吗? 09/05 13:35
8F:→ akainorei:不过他说台湾媒体还真的是够中肯 09/05 13:35
9F:→ stephanie061:怎麽会有舒淇 09/05 13:35
10F:推 Sabel:有点讽刺意味呢 09/05 13:36
11F:推 szuyuancheng:舒琪好像有上过TIME的封面 09/05 13:37
12F:嘘 Aldousphyx:中肯? 这种废文就别po了 不仅酸王还酸台湾人 09/05 13:37
13F:推 homgor:就是宋美龄啦 09/05 13:38
14F:→ vanprasth:Padres的前两号先发是Peavy C.young 而且联盟不同 09/05 13:36
15F:→ akainorei:我不认为是废文,而且他也没酸王,王本来就还有进步的空间 09/05 13:39
16F:→ vanprasth:这样比实在很奇怪 09/05 13:39
17F:推 Sabel:Penthouse centerfold Hsu Chi 并不是多光荣的事情 囧 09/05 13:39
18F:→ Aldousphyx:他最後一句还暗指台湾多工人阶级(井底之蛙) 不废? 09/05 13:41
19F:→ Aldousphyx:他被一些比较不理性的台湾球迷用e-mail骚扰 09/05 13:42
20F:→ Sabel:其实这篇讽刺意味很浓呀,看标题就知道了 09/05 13:42
21F:→ Aldousphyx:就用这种方式报复 实在很好笑 09/05 13:43
22F:→ PLAYMYCUNS:这篇如果是中文且是XX报的话应该是满是嘘^.> 09/05 13:42
23F:推 sxxs: 老实说这篇很看不起台湾人..讽刺太明显了 09/05 13:43
24F:推 unidon:楼上,我也对他最後一句不以为然,但批评王的部份倒是觉得 09/05 13:43
25F:→ DK2s:酸王才会红阿 就像外国也有专门酸阿肉的 笑笑就好 09/05 13:43
26F:→ akainorei:他那段你可以去他的blog骂,我转是注重他说王的那段 09/05 13:44
27F:→ akainorei:老实说後面那段我也不喜欢 09/05 13:45
28F:推 tsuchan:说的是事实 但是读完感受真的不好~ 09/05 13:45
29F:推 kauw:台湾人本来就疯狂 去官网看看 难怪反王的越来越多.. 09/05 13:45
30F:→ Aldousphyx:披王没关系 一个运动记者有啥资格去评他国人民 09/05 13:45
31F:→ unidon:还好,反正王就是年资还浅,run support又多,又是黄种人。 09/05 13:45
32F:→ akainorei:况且转这篇我们就知道去哪纠正那些记者对台湾的错误印象 09/05 13:46
33F:→ kauw:王一赢就把以前说王不好的文章翻箱倒柜拿来战 何必呢? 09/05 13:46
34F:→ kauw:挺王就算了 还顺便酸老派 HUGHES 这样只会更多反王的.. 09/05 13:46
35F:→ sxxs: 恩...批王在运动上的领域无所谓 其他就真的over了... 09/05 13:46
36F:→ kauw:别忘了 老派 大帝再怎样也是美国本土子弟.. 09/05 13:47
37F:推 scjh123:台湾人在网路上好像做过不少丢脸到国外的事..... 09/05 13:47
38F:→ akainorei:我转外电没办法断章取义吧, 全部转让大家看阿 09/05 13:48
39F:→ scjh123:对美国"一人一信"好像好几次..又常到日本2ch闹... 09/05 13:48
40F:→ kauw:老实说跟韩国人心态差不多 :急着想要别人肯定..尤其是美帝. 09/05 13:48
41F:→ kauw:怕别人不肯定自己? 09/05 13:49
42F:→ Aldousphyx:少数的无理性球迷有严重到让他批判整个国家的人吗? 09/05 13:48
43F:→ akainorei:我在强调一次,我转这篇是让大家看国外记者的报导 09/05 13:50
44F:推 Nilthoron:最後一句很看不起人 09/05 13:51
45F:→ Aldousphyx:他的肚量也太小了吧.看到这篇整个中餐差点吐出来 09/05 13:50
46F:推 kauw:Aldousphyx兄 世界就是这样 一些韩国人做的事还不是全韩承担? 09/05 13:51
47F:→ akainorei:不爽他,可以去他的blog骂,我个人是只看他讲王的那一段 09/05 13:50
48F:推 Sabel:推楼上,这篇批得太厉害,有点over 09/05 13:51
49F:→ Sabel:我要推楼上上 09/05 13:52
50F:→ DK2s:这篇算啥 去洋基官网讨论区看就知道 连送王回china的文都有了 09/05 13:52
51F:推 unidon:种族优越感作祟吧。中心/边缘,而且两者都表现得像在那个位 09/05 13:51
52F:推 sxxs: 拿台湾跟韩国比 LP 比鸡腿? 09/05 13:53
53F:→ unidon:置的时候,这种关系又持久加深下去 09/05 13:53
54F:→ sxxs: 韩国作风不是一天两天的烂..... 09/05 13:53
55F:→ Aldousphyx:那种球迷气话我都能忍受 一个专业运动记者也来这套? 09/05 13:53
56F:推 kauw:正常吧 洋基是美国棒球贵族世家 要他们接受黄种人当ACE.. 09/05 13:54
57F:→ sxxs: 没人在骂原PO啦 = =""" 09/05 13:54
58F:→ kauw:他们心中很难接受吧 王可要比别人多很多实绩.. 09/05 13:54
59F:→ sxxs:蛮认同Aldousphyx的话.... 09/05 13:55
60F:→ unidon:即便再让王投个好几年的好球,还是不会改变那些人以中心为 09/05 13:54
61F:→ unidon:傲/基准的心态 09/05 13:55
62F:推 akainorei:American Supremacy, shrug, 这也不是一天两天... 09/05 13:57
63F:推 kauw:官网文章看多了 觉得有点恐怖 ...要是王低潮久一点不知会怎样 09/05 13:56
64F:推 Sabel:认同Aldousphyx的话,觉得这个记者有点公报私仇 09/05 13:57
65F:→ kauw:不过也不止王 井川也是 还有人要他去整容 人家HUGHES帅加分阿 09/05 13:57
66F:→ kenro:井川的长相..嗯..连日本人都觉得小王帅多了 拿他不准啦.. 09/05 13:59
67F:推 mithrander:factory...显然他认为台湾还是第三世界国家... 09/05 14:01
68F:推 scjh123:大家应该可以体会日本人看到台媒"公开"酸松板的心情了XD 09/05 14:01
69F:推 kauw:我好奇的是王为何会变成除AROD了外 洋基板战神? @@ 09/05 14:01
70F:推 sxxs: 连这个也要扯松阪...可以别再出现他了吗 09/05 14:03
71F:→ kauw:王现在已是输也被战 赢也被战... 冏.. 09/05 14:04
72F:推 sugarcain:他写的非常好啊 欣赏极了 对台湾很有研究+1 09/05 14:04
73F:推 Nilthoron:楼上你不觉得他最後一句很靠背吗 摆明看不起人 09/05 14:06
74F:推 wjc:我怎麽想到"不招人忌是庸才"这句话了.....XDDDDD 09/05 14:06
75F:推 McRay:MLB是美国人建立的,王在他们的地盘投球,他的批评当然带有 09/05 14:09
76F:→ McRay:身在优位的骄傲.. 09/05 14:10
77F:推 harrywu0620:王会被战跟自以为看球十多年却爱孤唱心得文的某人有关 09/05 14:10
78F:→ McRay:如果今天建立这个优秀体制(MLB)是另一个族群,建立者还是会 09/05 14:10
79F:→ harrywu0620:尤其是打线不振、轮值不稳时,牠的心得文就要来了 09/05 14:11
80F:→ McRay:用类似的语气批评其他族群的加入者 09/05 14:12
81F:→ harrywu0620:王是体育人,看体育报导即可,一些阿撒不噜的文自己看 09/05 14:14
82F:→ harrywu0620:可不po,网路上部分blog或是不入流媒体的讨论看看就好 09/05 14:16
83F:→ james60338:个人认为这篇文章不是很值得参考,记者的故有成见太深 09/05 14:19
84F:→ james60338:去看看他的BLOG就可以略知一二了 09/05 14:19
85F:→ DARKSEVEN:文章评王没关系,但把台湾人也拉下水只能说莫名奇妙了 09/05 14:24
86F:→ Aldousphyx:我很听话的去他的blog回点没水准的东西 大家见笑了.. 09/05 14:31
87F:→ butiloveyou:中肯个鬼咧.评台媒OK.评王的部份一整个主观.. 09/05 14:30
88F:→ Aldousphyx:署名dislike 原本是想用更强烈的字眼 还是低调点好.. 09/05 14:35
89F:推 Sabel:Andre也回得很好呀,两个都是楼上回的吗? 09/05 14:41
90F:嘘 karater:这哪是外电阿 这是台湾人写的英文部落格啦 09/05 14:42
91F:→ Aldousphyx:没 我只回他上面那一篇.. 09/05 14:42
92F:→ Aldousphyx:他不是台湾人 只是住在台湾 09/05 14:51
93F:→ cadream:东方主义 这个作者 09/05 14:59
94F:推 chrislux:蒋宋美龄可能是最有名的chinese 09/05 15:07
95F:推 chrislux:我也觉得是中肯而残酷 他说的是事实 09/05 15:09
96F:→ chrislux:感觉跟最近板上在讨论的胜投,还蛮有关系的 09/05 15:10
97F:推 goodptt:这真的是外国人吗?还有 台湾现在工厂不多了吧 都小公司多 09/05 15:43
98F:推 JilSander:借转洋基板 09/05 15:46
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99F:推 sausagecool:官网留言版 王被批的很惨说... 09/05 15:52
100F:→ DK2s:什麽王会偷取其他投手的运气...官网讨论区连这都有了 09/05 15:53
101F:推 RKain:为何会被批......- -" 09/05 15:54
102F:推 XXMADXX:因为台湾乡民把小王神话了.... 09/05 15:59
103F:推 sausagecool:还有人要WANG滚回CHINA 09/05 15:59
104F:推 coolhunt:偷别投手的运气..乾脆说王是巫师算了 09/05 15:59
105F:推 xsonic:照官网讨论区的素质 会有这种文章一点也不觉得奇怪 :p 09/05 16:00
106F:推 scjh123:a-rod跟wang真的是官网讨论区的2大主要战文XD 09/05 16:02
107F:推 XXMADXX:王被批主要还是美国乡民不爽台湾乡民 把情绪转嫁到王身上ꐠ 09/05 16:04
108F:推 DK2s:恩..是转嫁 不过很奇怪 普通人会骂自己支持球队的投手吗? 09/05 16:07
109F:推 sausagecool:我看到的不是楼上说的这样耶 09/05 16:08
110F:推 scjh123:恩..的确有不少用有"wang"的id的乡民在官网讨论区引战... 09/05 16:07
111F:→ sausagecool:楼楼上 是说王轮值之後的那一场胜率不高 09/05 16:09
112F:→ scjh123:之前看过王投的好时.有人就发"快交易王吧"这种反讽文去战 09/05 16:09
113F:推 akainorei:官网很多袜子反串的,我习惯去yesnetwork,那边理性一点 09/05 16:10
114F:推 XXMADXX:我说的是 还包括之前他们官网讨论谁是ace的这种问题 09/05 16:10
115F:推 majorleague1:官网有很多台湾人倒是真的 09/05 16:12
116F:推 sausagecool:果然是嘴炮无国界 09/05 16:13
117F:推 Pet:newsgroup上的洋基板对王的评价不错啊!! 09/05 16:14
118F:推 olaf:谢谢转文~ 09/05 16:23
119F:推 kauyau:blog最後一篇回应(KL)太有趣了 09/05 16:26
120F:→ kauyau:A guy teaching English in this island mean he is good 09/05 16:27
121F:→ kauyau:at nothing but his mother tongue. So we can stop attack 09/05 16:27
122F:→ kauyau:-ing him because he is a poor guy. He can’t earn his 09/05 16:28
123F:→ kauyau: living in States and roams here. 09/05 16:29
124F:推 harddaynight:KL好呛 有点没品 不过我喜欢 XD 09/05 16:38
125F:推 nanalin:真酸的回文 09/05 16:39
126F:推 Nilthoron:KL没说错啊 09/05 16:45
127F:推 loki761124:KL说得好贱喔XD 只是我喜欢 09/05 16:47
128F:推 sausagecool:大推KL 09/05 16:49
129F:推 shawncarter:KL漂亮 09/05 17:04
130F:推 sxxs:一楼多看一点 一些袜迷反串被骂得很惨才对 还有滚回中国那篇 09/05 17:11
131F:→ sxxs:也被干缴得很惨~ 09/05 17:12
132F:→ sxxs: 官网真是超多反串...要王回小联盟啦DL啦中国拉 日本啦..一堆 09/05 17:13
133F:推 leddy:回文有些呛得很有道理,但有些对方看了大概看不懂...orz... 09/05 17:23
134F:推 Benitez:.500 journalist, even less. "囧> 09/05 17:39
135F:推 jokeman:外电也要看作者是谁ㄚ 名不见经传的外国乡民嘴炮也叫外电ꌠ 09/05 19:17
136F:推 gelee:=========请问一下,他用那两张照片要不要取得授权啊?===== 09/05 20:32
137F:推 kauyau:WANG版18238篇有这位外国乡民的资料 听说是TWINS的球迷 09/05 20:58
138F:推 IronChef:在网路上呛老外好像很屌的样子 09/05 23:41
139F:推 kauyau:老外何其多 只不过这个老外一副高高在上的样子 美帝很威? 09/05 23:59
140F:→ kauyau:袜版呛打爆小王是为了支持球队 所以无妨 09/06 00:03
141F:→ kauyau:但是这老外很多心态明显就是优越感作祟 还住台湾不呛他呛谁 09/06 00:05
142F:推 IronChef:我差不多已经一年半没跟老外吵架了XD 09/06 00:06
143F:→ IronChef:小时候比较爱闹事XD 09/06 00:07
144F:推 istay:还不就一群乡民 外国的乡民说话也不见得专业啦XD 09/06 00:41
145F:推 janno:南台科大的外籍教师..? 09/06 02:49
146F:推 CCfss: 说真的这种文可以删了 根本不用转来 09/06 04:28
147F:推 aresa:看完之後真是满腔怒火 09/06 10:23
148F:→ aresa:有些人就是喜欢全家被批成男盗女娼才甘愿,被夸奖很丢脸一样 09/06 10:23
149F:推 newest:这篇根本没深度也没内容 还外电勒 推kl呛回去 09/06 15:12







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