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※ [本文转录自 Christianity 看板] 作者: Geigemachen () 看板: Christianity 标题: Re: [问题] 关於Samael....不知适不适合在这里发问 时间: Wed May 24 03:58:42 2006 基本上,你提到的内容属於保罗所说”无穷的家谱”与”老妇荒渺的言语”吧..XDD When He would join the body He had formed out of the dust with the soul He had made on the first day, the angelic host who knew the power that man was about to receive from God murmured against his making. And the chief of those who murmured was that angel who was amongst the highest in the angelic host, whose wings were twelve where the others' wings were six, the angel whose name was Samael. Samael said, "Thou didst create us from the splendour of the Shekinah, and now thou dost plan to set above us the creature whom thou hast fashioned out of the dust of the ground." Man would have perished through the fire which Samael would have put upon him if it had not been for the protecting hand that God held over him. The Almighty cast Samael and his host out of heaven, and from that time that angelic prince is known as Satan. ※ 引述《KaneNod (堕灭祭司)》之铭言: : 在犹太传说中 : 萨麦尔(Samael,或Sammael) : 是第一名反叛的天使, 神造世界之初的大天使萨麦尔 他堕落以後,就被称为Satan撒旦(抵挡者,仇敌) : 「萨麦尔」不肯跪拜於亚当之前, ^^^^ 这出自於The Life of Adam and Eve http://www.bcholmes.org/wicca/satan.html This is interesting, though: Richard Marshall says that a Jewish text called The Life of Adam and Eve dating from the first century BC identifies the serpent of eden with Samael, the angel who rebels when God orders the heavenly host to worship Adam. Samael says that "he will build a throne above the stars and proclaim himself the highest of all beings. His angels rally round in agreement, and the Archangel promptly throws them all out of heaven and down into a deep dark dungeon." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_angel He wanted His angels to acknowledge man by bowing down to Him, but some of the angels did not obey His mandate. The origin of this idea is most likely the "Book of Adam and Eve", an apocryphal text which most scholars agree was written somewhere near the end of the 1st century AD. XIII: The devil replied, 'Adam, what dost thou tell me? It is for thy sake that I have been hurled from that place. When thou wast formed, I was hurled out of the presence of God and banished from the company of the angels. When God blew into thee the breath of life and thy face and likeness was made in the image of God, Michael also brought thee and made (us) worship thee in the sight of God; and God the Lord spake: Here is Adam. I have made thee in our image and likeness.' XIV: And Michael went out and called all the angels saying: 'Worship the image of God as the Lord God hath commanded.' And Michael himself worshipped first; then he called me and said: 'Worship the image of God the Lord.' And I answered, 'I have no (need) to worship Adam.' And since Michael kept urging me to worship, I said to him, 'Why dost thou urge me? I will not worship an inferior and younger being. I am his senior in the Creation, before he was made was I already made. It is his duty to worship me.' XV: When the angels who were under me heard this, they refused to worship him. And Michael saith, 'Worship the image of God, but if thou wilt not worship him, the Lord God will be wroth with thee.' And I said, 'If He be wroth with me, I will set my seat above the stars of heaven and will be like the Highest.' : 并说出:「凭何要我这圣火所生的天使,跪拜一个尘沙造出的身躯。」之叛逆之言。 ”圣火”指Shekinah,神的同在,或是神的荣耀光辉的意思 : 请问这段叙述出自犹太的光辉之书或塔木德经?或是其他经典? ^^^^^^ Book of Adam and Eve/ The Life of Adam and Eve 塔木德经有提到,只是把Samael也当作以扫/以东的守护天使。 犹太的光辉之书似乎没有(以Sefer ha Zohar,samael当关键字查不到 什麽交集) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael Samael is an important figure in Talmudic and post-Talmudic lore, a figure who is accuser, seducer, and destroyer. Legends mentioning Satan refer equally to him, such that Samael is often taken to be the true or angelic name of the Devil, as opposed to the epithet, Lucifer (light-bearer), which is based on a dual fulfillment verse against the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:4,12), or his functional title, Satan (adversary). However, Samael cannot always be simply identified with Satan, because some translations of the Book of Enoch confirm Satan's angelic name to be Satanail. In Judaism In Jewish lore, he is said to be the Angel of Death, the chief ruler of the Seventh Heaven, one of the seven regents of the world served by two million angels. Yalkut I, 110 of the Talmud speaks of Samael as Esau's guardian angel. In Sotah 10b, Samael is Edom's guardian angel, and in the Sayings of Rabbi Eliezer, he is charged with being the one who tempted Eve, then seduced and impregnated her with Cain. Though some sources identify Gadreel as the angel that seduced Eve, other Hebrew scholars say that it was Samael who tempted Eve in the guise of the Serpent. Samael is also sometimes identified as being the angelic antagonist that wrestled Jacob at Esau, and as being the angel that held back the arm of Abraham as he was about to sacrifice his son. : 由於不知道原文 所以在寻找出处时发生了困难.... : 这里是目前找到唯一符合的描述 但并无标明出处 : http://www.sacred-texts.com/etc/omw/omw28.htm : 请协助我解决这困扰我已久的问题 感谢各位.... -- 上月球!月球是中国人吴刚不可分割的一部分 抓嫦娥!此女意图分裂中国领土脱离中国掌握 杀玉兔!玉兔为资产阶级之玩物!日帝之玩偶! --



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