作者cassine (Savannah)
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标题[PS3 ] SONY坦承玩家个资被盗=.=
时间Wed Apr 27 10:40:49 2011
http://goo.gl/870vZ 这下害了了=.=
SCEA and SCEE have updated their blogs, with quite a lot of
information, in this information, they admit that they believe that
your personal information, home address, phone number, D.O.B etc have
been compromised and accessed by an unauthorised person/persons, they
give advice on how to prevent identity fraud, here are quotes from
both blogs
SCEA与SCEE昨日同步更新了部落格资讯,而且新资讯的份量不小。首先,他们坦
承玩家的个人资讯、住址、电话号码、生日之类的资料都被未经授权的人或者团
体存取了,对此他们建议玩家依照以下的指示预防网路诈骗Orz...
(由於欧、美双方的内容大同小异,我就只翻美国的)
Thank you for your patience while we work to resolve the current
outage of PlayStation Network & Qriocity services. We are currently
working to send a similar message to the one below via email to all
of our registered account holders regarding a compromise of personal
information as a result of an illegal intrusion on our systems. These
malicious actions have also had an impact on your ability to enjoy
the services provided by PlayStation Network and Qriocity including
online gaming and online access to music, movies, sports and TV
shows. We have a clear path to have PlayStation Network and Qriocity
systems back online, and expect to restore some services within a
week.
感谢您在我们努力修复 PSN与Qriocity服务这段期间的耐心等候,我们同时会藉
由E-mail将个人资讯受到非法入侵者攻击导致外流的讯息通知所有注册的玩家。
我们深信,这些恶意的行为将对您体验 PSN与Qriocity服务时的经验带来重大的
打击,这些服务包括线上影音节目等等。对於整个服务恢复计画我们已经有了明
确的时间表,大概在一个礼拜之内就可以恢复正常。
We're working day and night to ensure it is done as quickly as
possible. We appreciate your patience and feedback.
我们目前正日以继夜努力希望能够尽速恢复服务,同时也感谢您的耐心等候以及
意见回馈。
Valued PlayStation Network/Qriocity Customer:
谨致所有 PSN、Qriocity的客户:
We have discovered that between April 17 and April 19, 2011,
certain PlayStation Network and Qriocity service user account
information was compromised in connection with an illegal and
unauthorized intrusion into our network. In response to this
intrusion, we have:
在 4月17日至19日这段期间,我们察觉 PSN与Qriocity部份的使用者帐户资讯遭
到非法入侵者的存取,对於此一事件,我们采取了以下的应变措施:
Temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services;
暂时关闭 PSN以及Qriocity服务;
Engaged an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a full
and complete investigation into what happened; and
邀请外部具有一定声望的资安顾问检查整个系统,了解情况;
Quickly taken steps to enhance security and strengthen our network
infrastructure by re-building our system to provide you with
greater protection of your personal information.
立即应变,藉由重建我们的系统来加强整个网路架构的安全性,藉此对您的个人
资讯提供进一步的保护。(那已经外流的怎麽办?)
We greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill
as we do whatever it takes to resolve these issues as quickly and
efficiently as practicable.
我们诚挚地感谢您在我们不计任何代价努力让服务尽速恢复时所展现的耐心、明
理、以及和善。(噗哧XD)
Although we are still investigating the details of this incident,
we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following
information that you provided: name, address (city, state, zip),
country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity
password and login, and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible
that your profile data, including purchase history and billing
address (city, state, zip), and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity
password security answers may have been obtained. If you have
authorized a sub-account for your dependent, the same data with
respect to your dependent may have been obtained.
尽管我们还在深入追查此一事件的细节,但我们相信已经有未经授权的个人取得
了您注册帐号时所提供的资讯:姓名、地址(城市、州、邮递区号)、国家、电
子邮件地址、出生年月日、 PSN/Qriocity 的登入帐号以及密码、昵称。您的购
买纪录已经发票寄送地址、密码取回时的安全问题等都可能已经流出。若您有授
权家人使用子帐号,那相关的资讯也可能外流。
While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was
taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided
your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out
of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit
card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have
been obtained.
尽管仍未有确切证据证明您的信用卡资料也遭窃,但我们仍无法排除这种可能性
。若您有将信用卡资讯存在帐号内容之中,那考虑最坏的可能性就是卡号以及卡
片失效日期也外流了。
For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of
email, telephone, and postal mail scams that ask for personal or
sensitive information. Sony will not contact you in any way,
including by email, asking for your credit card number, social
security number or other personally identifiable information. If you
are asked for this information, you can be confident Sony is not the
entity asking. When the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services are
fully restored, we strongly recommend that you log on and change your
password. Additionally, if you use your PlayStation Network or
Qriocity user name or password for other unrelated services or
accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them, as well.
为了您的安全着想,我们强烈建议您留意使用电子邮件、电话、或是传统邮件的
方式询问您个人或是敏感资讯的手法,SONY绝不会使用这些手法联络您本人。更
不会使用电子邮件询问您的信用卡卡号、社会安全号码或是其他个人身份资讯。
因此,当您被问及这些问题时,您可以确信绝非由SONY所发出(哈哈,用其他名
字似乎就无所谓了)。当 PSN以及Qriocity服务恢复时,我们强烈建议您立即登
入并变更您的密码。此外,如果您有使用同一组帐号以及密码存取其他业者的服
务,我们同样建议您变更密码。
To protect against possible identity theft or other financial
loss, we encourage you to remain vigilant, to review your account
statements and to monitor your credit reports. We are providing the
following information for those who wish to consider it:
为了避免个资遭到窃取或造成其他财产上的损失,我们建议您保持警戒,并仔细
检查帐号的状态以及信用纪录,对於有进一步需求的人,我们提供以下资讯:
U.S. residents are entitled under U.S. law to one free credit
report annually from each of the three major credit bureaus. To order
your free credit report, visit www.annualcreditreport.com or call
toll-free (877) 322-8228.
(美国的居民可以申请一份免费的信用纪录)
We have also provided names and contact information for the three
major U.S. credit bureaus below. At no charge, U.S. residents can
have these credit bureaus place a "fraud alert" on your file that
alerts creditors to take additional steps to verify your identity
prior to granting credit in your name. This service can make it more
difficult for someone to get credit in your name. Note, however, that
because it tells creditors to follow certain procedures to protect
you, it also may delay your ability to obtain credit while the agency
verifies your identity. As soon as one credit bureau confirms your
fraud alert, the others are notified to place fraud alerts on your
file. Should you wish to place a fraud alert, or should you have any
questions regarding your credit report, please contact any one of the
agencies listed below.
我们已经巷美国信用卡管理局提供了名单,故您可以免费要求管理局将您的信用
卡管理局将卡片注记为「诈骗警戒」,商家在取得授权前必须进一步核对身份。
这意味商家在取得授权之前必须要按照一些必要程序来确认身份,所以可能会在
消费上造成一些不便。当其中一间管理局确认了「诈骗警戒」後,其他的管理局
也会同步将您的资料注记,若您有任何问题,欢迎拨打以下电话:
Experian: 888-397-3742; www.experian.com; P.O. Box 9532, Allen,
TX 75013
Equifax: 800-525-6285; www.equifax.com; P.O. Box 740241, Atlanta,
GA 30374-0241
TransUnion: 800-680-7289; www.transunion.com; Fraud Victim
Assistance Division, P.O. Box 6790, Fullerton, CA 92834-6790
You may wish to visit the web site of the U.S. Federal Trade
Commission at www.consumer.gov/idtheft or reach the FTC at
1-877-382-4357 or 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20580
for further information about how to protect yourself from identity
theft. Your state Attorney General may also have advice on preventing
identity theft, and you should report instances of known or suspected
identity theft to law enforcement, your State Attorney General, and
the FTC. For North Carolina residents, the Attorney General can be
contacted at 9001 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-9001;
telephone (877) 566-7226; or www.ncdoj.gov. For Maryland residents,
the Attorney General can be contacted at 200 St. Paul Place, 16th
Floor, Baltimore, MD 21202; telephone: (888) 743-0023; or
www.oag.state.md.us.
(关於个资保护的相关资讯)
We thank you for your patience as we complete our investigation
of this incident, and we regret any inconvenience. Our teams are
working around the clock on this, and services will be restored as
soon as possible. Sony takes information protection very seriously
and will continue to work to ensure that additional measures are
taken to protect personally identifiable information. Providing
quality and secure entertainment services to our customers is our
utmost priority. Please contact us at 1-800-345-7669 should you have
any additional questions.
再次感谢您在我们完成整个调查之前的耐心等候,对於此一事件带来的任何不便
,我们感到非常抱歉。我们的团队目前正24小时努力在解决问题,我们会在最短
的时间内重新让服务恢复正常。SONY极度重视个人资料保护,而且我们会继续努
力,在保护玩家的个人身份资料,同时又提供玩家一个既安全又有高水准的娱乐
环境。
Sincerely,
Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Network Entertainment
你诚挚地,SCEA与 SNE敬上
******
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◆ From: 140.120.31.137
1F:推 satou20444:Sony:这下靠杯了 114.40.136.235 04/27 10:42
2F:→ satou20444:继续请律师当资安顾问阿wwwww 114.40.136.235 04/27 10:43
3F:推 Modchip: 律师表示:让他出包才有钱赚... 114.42.90.130 04/27 10:44
4F:→ rusa:律师团:大夥开工罗 114.45.55.68 04/27 10:54
5F:→ cassine:律师团来的话可能要先面对玩家吧 140.120.31.137 04/27 11:12
6F:推 PHILOSOMA:感谢更新资讯 114.32.4.101 04/27 11:17
7F:推 doom3:好怀疑是报复喔 把geohot搞上法院的关系 122.117.166.50 04/27 11:24
8F:推 RedMario:REBUG一出就关PSN,然後又出现个资泄漏, 123.240.35.51 04/27 11:43
9F:推 littlecut:好奇乡民为啥看到SONY出事就很爽的样子 115.82.108.169 04/27 11:45
10F:推 windfeather:就反正无关伤害的人当然幸灾乐祸罗 122.254.23.227 04/27 11:47
11F:→ cassine:我觉得乡民会这样完全不意外,何况并非只 140.120.31.137 04/27 11:48
12F:→ cassine:有这里的人是抱持看戏的心态,国外一些游 140.120.31.137 04/27 11:49
13F:→ windfeather:不过闹大了,之後法律行动也才更有合 122.254.23.227 04/27 11:49
14F:→ windfeather:理正当性 122.254.23.227 04/27 11:49
15F:→ cassine:论坛上也有,我觉得SONY面对玩家的态度是 140.120.31.137 04/27 11:49
16F:→ windfeather:省得之後sony要对抗骇客还反而像是不 122.254.23.227 04/27 11:49
17F:→ windfeather:应该的一样 122.254.23.227 04/27 11:49
18F:→ cassine:关键,OtherOS拔掉没给补偿就有人不爽了 140.120.31.137 04/27 11:50
19F:→ cassine:graf_chokolo把OtherOS生回来却被抄家,那 140.120.31.137 04/27 11:50
20F:→ cassine:些搞开发的人自然更不爽 140.120.31.137 04/27 11:50
21F:→ windfeather:一副被骇活该,死了应该的诡异扭曲说法 122.254.23.227 04/27 11:51
22F:→ cassine:SONY法律行动的正当性,原来还有这种东西 140.120.31.137 04/27 11:51
23F:→ windfeather:毕竟倒楣的一向都是厂商和正版支持者 122.254.23.227 04/27 11:52
24F:→ cassine:拿大钱去假扣押也不是什麽光明磊落的手段 140.120.31.137 04/27 11:52
25F:→ cassine:SONY指责graf_chokolo的所作所为是盗版, 140.120.31.137 04/27 11:54
26F:→ cassine:光这点就有一堆搞开发的人无法接受了 140.120.31.137 04/27 11:54
27F:推 kaiwae:破解正确怎麽会是扭曲...122.146.182.135 04/27 12:06
28F:→ episold:credit report不是信用卡帐单 是信用纪录 74.71.56.60 04/27 12:17
29F:→ tenka92417:乡民集体控诉索尼侵害隐私权就爽搂.... 114.32.100.89 04/27 12:17
30F:推 littlecut:给我感觉就是 sony死好 我好爽 115.82.108.169 04/27 12:21
※ 编辑: cassine 来自: 140.120.31.137 (04/27 12:44)
31F:推 ethenlin:索尼贪钱 出事情活该 不过使用者好可怜 59.126.32.226 04/27 13:21
32F:推 kimisawa:索尼是贪了什麽钱 68.50.138.167 04/27 13:22
33F:→ GooGooDolls:贪钱?SONY哪时候变慈善机构我怎麽不知111.253.116.234 04/27 13:25
34F:→ GooGooDolls:到= =111.253.116.234 04/27 13:26
35F:推 windfeather:神结论XD 乾脆厂商都免费发送游戏好了 122.254.23.227 04/27 13:28
36F:推 f1234518456:XD 163.29.253.237 04/27 13:30
37F:推 kaiwae:Sony不是贪钱 是无能122.146.182.135 04/27 13:34
38F:推 littlecut:现在又扯到SONY贪钱xddddddddddddd 115.82.108.169 04/27 13:38
39F:→ Mechaome:那种举着反SONY大旗,认为破解正当,sony按 123.204.77.252 04/27 13:52
40F:→ Mechaome:法律保护自己与正版用户权益的作为却被当 123.204.77.252 04/27 13:52
41F:→ Mechaome:作邪恶,贪钱...的人,真的可以省省了.现在 123.204.77.252 04/27 13:52
42F:→ Mechaome:是犯罪集团在盗取个资,是国际级的非法行 123.204.77.252 04/27 13:53
43F:→ Mechaome:为.不是因为对象是你认为的万恶SONY,就可 123.204.77.252 04/27 13:54
44F:→ Mechaome:以合理化这种犯罪行为.世界上不知有多少 123.204.77.252 04/27 13:54
45F:→ Mechaome:人被这些非法份子侵害权益,还在那边高唱 123.204.77.252 04/27 13:54
46F:→ Mechaome:$ONY如何如何坏的论调,会不会太不成熟? 123.204.77.252 04/27 13:55
47F:→ HolyBugTw:>Mechaome 你的观念有问题... 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:02
48F:→ HolyBugTw:事实上hacker尚没有藉此牟利 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:02
49F:推 mild7no1:对啦 对拉~骇客最高尚啦 ~ 搞破解最有理 140.118.196.23 04/27 14:02
50F:→ HolyBugTw:直接让弱点公诸於世,把事情严重化 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:03
51F:→ mild7no1:千错万错都是SONY的错 谁叫他要OOXXOOXXO 140.118.196.23 04/27 14:03
52F:→ HolyBugTw:真的营利者不会高调,受害者只是少数 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:03
53F:→ HolyBugTw:届时受害者只能自己去找sony去理论罢了 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:04
54F:→ HolyBugTw:难说之前资料是否早被偷走,谁能保证? 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:04
55F:→ HolyBugTw:rootkit就是一个明例在先 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:07
56F:→ HolyBugTw:hacker找出漏洞,厂商可以针对性处理 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:07
57F:→ HolyBugTw:总比放着被有心人士利用好 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:08
58F:→ HolyBugTw:没hacker就没盗版吗?事实上也并非如此 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:08
59F:→ HolyBugTw:但这几年hacker让小卖店不能靠盗版维生 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:09
60F:→ HolyBugTw:软体其实也是有白箱测试的 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:11
61F:推 FantasyNova:HolyBug有道理诶 有人要来我家放放火118.165.167.223 04/27 14:11
62F:→ HolyBugTw:也有专门写tool去攻击,来检验安全性的 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:11
63F:→ FantasyNova:偷偷东西吗 让我家知道我家哪边需要118.165.167.223 04/27 14:11
64F:→ FantasyNova:改进118.165.167.223 04/27 14:11
65F:→ FantasyNova:我会心怀感激的,可以防范以後更有心118.165.167.223 04/27 14:11
66F:→ FantasyNova:的人 放更大的火 偷更贵重的东西118.165.167.223 04/27 14:12
67F:→ HolyBugTw:某些保安机制是需要演习这些的啊 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:12
68F:推 HolyBugTw:大厦缴管理费请保安,怎麽评估安全与否 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:14
69F:→ GooGooDolls:反正今天我帐户权益受损,求偿的对像111.253.116.234 04/27 14:15
70F:推 gdsword:这比喻很奇怪 因为他是对所有人而不是个人122.117.202.167 04/27 14:16
71F:→ cassine:如果SONY的企业形象有好到让人发自内心想 140.120.31.137 04/27 14:16
72F:→ GooGooDolls:一定是像SONY求偿,不过窃取玩家个资111.253.116.234 04/27 14:16
73F:→ cassine:帮助他补洞就不会落到今天这种田地了 140.120.31.137 04/27 14:16
74F:→ gdsword:他把大家门锁弱点公布给任何人 让门锁厂商122.117.202.167 04/27 14:16
75F:→ GooGooDolls:的人,我管你有没有牟利,犯罪就是犯111.253.116.234 04/27 14:16
76F:→ HolyBugTw:这次个资外泄,难道希望是台面下的事情? 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:17
77F:→ GooGooDolls:罪,有那麽难懂吗= =111.253.116.234 04/27 14:17
78F:→ gdsword:知道弱点才对 他不公布就是一家家被媮122.117.202.167 04/27 14:17
79F:→ HolyBugTw:hacker会踩线犯罪啊,这并不难懂 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:18
80F:推 kaiwae:不要再拿门锁比了如果今天是阿扁家的门锁呢122.146.182.135 04/27 14:19
81F:→ cassine:发现漏洞的人没有义务要私下告知厂商有洞 140.120.31.137 04/27 14:20
82F:→ cassine:他可以讲,也可以选择不讲,所以厂商还是 140.120.31.137 04/27 14:20
83F:→ cassine:得靠自己。人家知道有洞却不讲又不犯法 140.120.31.137 04/27 14:20
84F:推 HolyBugTw:选择讲的是犯罪,不讲的等抓包才是犯罪 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:21
85F:推 gdsword:门锁有致命的漏洞 害得使用这款锁的人的不122.117.202.167 04/27 14:21
86F:→ gdsword:安全 这个是门锁厂商的问题122.117.202.167 04/27 14:21
87F:→ HolyBugTw:真的已经偷了个资又不说的那才恐怖 61.219.178.195 04/27 14:21
88F:→ gdsword:去你家偷东西是直接骇你信用卡去刷122.117.202.167 04/27 14:22
89F:→ gdsword:这种对单人的行为才适合那个比喻122.117.202.167 04/27 14:23
90F:→ cassine:向graf_chokolo有办法存取HV,也公开了相 140.120.31.137 04/27 14:24
91F:→ cassine:关的资讯,结果SONY却指责他助长盗版,还 140.120.31.137 04/27 14:25
92F:→ cassine:抄了他家,换做是你难道不觉得很X 140.120.31.137 04/27 14:25
93F:推 littlecut:现在这状况很像某电影 什麽4.0吧 115.82.108.169 04/27 14:28
94F:推 gdsword:SONY是赚你的钱的 有义务要维护好他们的产122.117.202.167 04/27 14:28
95F:→ cassine:按照SONY以往的惯例应该是把PSN拔掉才对吧 140.120.31.137 04/27 14:28
96F:→ gdsword:品功能 再怎麽样SONY都应该维护好用户资料122.117.202.167 04/27 14:29
97F:推 kaiwae:大胆猜测一下 PSN会被拔掉 变PSN2.0122.146.182.135 04/27 14:30
98F:→ kaiwae:可以存取HV 不代表Server会被骇资料被盗取122.146.182.135 04/27 14:31
99F:→ cassine:但人家graf_chokolo做出OtherOS++就不行XD 140.120.31.137 04/27 14:31
100F:推 gdsword:档住骇客是SONY的责任 跟玩家没关系122.117.202.167 04/27 14:33
101F:推 arcadyii:根本是sony自己在唱独角戏 111.255.66.160 04/27 14:56
102F:→ ryuter:改机都很NICE的,其中一定有误会 220.135.7.49 04/27 15:04
103F:→ cassine:楼上所言极是,盗版才是罪不可赦 140.120.31.137 04/27 15:05
104F:推 littlecut:有点像终极警探4.0 我已经警告你了 115.82.108.169 04/27 15:07
105F:→ littlecut:你不重视还玩我 所以我要报复XD 115.82.108.169 04/27 15:07
106F:推 windfeather:警告可一定要用大量散布来警告啊XD 122.254.23.227 04/27 16:02
107F:→ windfeather: 不 122.254.23.227 04/27 16:02
108F:→ windfeather:告诉屋主说你的门锁有问题,和教大家 122.254.23.227 04/27 16:03
109F:→ windfeather:这间门锁有问题的屋子怎麽闯进去可是 122.254.23.227 04/27 16:04
110F:→ windfeather:两码子事 122.254.23.227 04/27 16:04
111F:→ windfeather:这也是hacker和cracker的道德差异处 122.254.23.227 04/27 16:05
112F:→ cassine:这样的话闯进去跟有没有拿东西也是两码子 140.120.31.137 04/27 16:15
113F:→ cassine:事,graf_chokolo什麽东西也没拿就被抄 140.120.31.137 04/27 16:16
114F:推 j778012:SONY抄了graf_chokolo所以就活该被抄底下 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:13
115F:→ j778012:7700万人个资罗? 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:14
116F:→ j778012:graf_chokolo这件事不管对不对,要出於报 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:15
117F:→ cassine:楼上你不要混淆视听,我根本没这个意思 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:16
118F:→ j778012:复或是其他种种理由行动,都不应该害及其 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:16
119F:→ j778012:他玩家之权益。 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:16
120F:→ cassine:好,那graf_chokolo又损害到谁的权益了? 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:16
121F:→ j778012:我刚还没打完 没有要混淆你那句话的意思 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:17
122F:→ j778012:我不知道他实际上是否真的触犯到着作权等 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:17
123F:→ cassine:个资外流固然很糟糕,但看SONY对付graf的 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:18
124F:→ j778012:相关问题,如果他真的是无辜受侵害,那也 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:18
125F:→ j778012:是找SONY算帐,为何扩大成底下的会员都应 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:18
126F:→ j778012:该接受这次的无辜牵连?或是SONY关闭PSN的 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:19
127F:→ cassine:手法,就觉得SONY是自食恶果了 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:19
128F:→ j778012:安全维护行为就该被酸?两件事要分开来看 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:19
129F:→ j778012:不是吗? 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:19
130F:→ cassine:是要分开,graf也循法律途径在处理了 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:20
131F:→ cassine:graf家被抄的事件我只看到企业顾全自己利 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:25
132F:→ cassine:益的粗暴手法,现在换SONY倒楣却开始有道 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:26
133F:→ cassine:德的声音出现,还真是微妙啊~ 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:26
134F:推 j778012:SONY的粗暴行为不是就获得了A团体与改机者 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:26
135F:→ j778012:和开发者的反弹吗?这次无辜的使用者被牵 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:27
136F:→ j778012:扯下来而导致关闭主机,也有批评声浪 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:28
137F:→ j778012:但出发点是好的为何不能有道德上声音出现w 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:28
138F:→ j778012:一码事归一码事,他做过坏事,不代表这次 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:29
139F:→ j778012:就是他使坏他活该 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:29
140F:→ j778012:就如同不可以把改机中的部分行为以偏概全 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:30
141F:→ j778012:不是这样吗?w 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:30
142F:→ cassine:对,你可以这样说,但我不是圣人也不想当 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:51
143F:→ cassine:赛局理论告诉我们,以牙还牙永远是最有效 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:52
144F:→ cassine:的策略之一,这场赛局里面,先出老千的又 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:52
145F:→ cassine:是谁呢?呵 140.120.31.137 04/27 17:52
146F:推 j778012:当然是拿钥匙去偷东西的人最坏了w 59.112.115.132 04/27 17:55
147F:推 kaiwae:拿钥匙偷东西的人并不在这场赛局中122.146.182.135 04/27 18:00
148F:推 GooGooDolls:以为不在就没事喔?被揪出来就死定了他111.253.116.234 04/27 19:25
149F:推 ethenlin:我说他贪又不是说他不能赚钱 59.126.32.226 04/27 19:29
150F:推 hill99:门把真是烂例子 附近邻居:小偷真不应该 219.84.253.213 04/27 19:37
151F:→ hill99:但是那被偷的也真是活该 谁叫他不换锁 219.84.253.213 04/27 19:38
152F:推 ainigi:好爽122.116.236.164 04/27 20:23
153F:推 ainigi:老实讲,这推文根本没啥好战的122.116.236.164 04/27 20:26
154F:→ ainigi:幸灾乐祸是第一瞬间的感觉,又不是几个汪汪122.116.236.164 04/27 20:27
155F:→ ainigi:汪出个大道理,就不会幸灾乐祸的122.116.236.164 04/27 20:27
156F:→ ainigi:结论就是,幸灾乐祸的还是一样,汪汪也一样122.116.236.164 04/27 20:28