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标题[新闻]苹果参考别人的功能造成app商店浩劫
时间Fri Sep 6 10:05:05 2019
https://tinyurl.com/y6j8px56
Apple’s Greatest ‘Borrowed’ Features Are Wreaking Havoc in the App Store
苹果那些伟大的借来的功能对App Store造成浩劫
Where does Apple get the ideas for its new features? It may borrow quite a few
of them from developers in the App Store.
苹果的软体功能从哪里得到灵感呢?它或许很多都是从app开发者得到的
Apple incorporating features originally found in third-party apps is a
well-documented trend. But this week, a Washington Post article took a deeper
look at some of the implications of it.
苹果把原来在第三方程式中的功能拿来用一段时间了。但这个星期华盛顿时报更深入的
探讨其意义。
Apple’s Borrowed Ideas
苹果借来的灵感
The Washington Post’s Reed Albergotti uses “Clue” as the first example. In
the absence of any period-tracking features for women in Apple’s Health
platform, a slew of third-party apps, including Clue, have filled the gap.
But in iOS 13, Apple is going to introduce several fertility and period
tracking features into its Health app.
例子一:经期追纵原本不在苹果的"健康"程式中,但许多app像"Clue"都有,iOS 13
这些功能都被加进去
While it isn’t clear what will happen to Clue and other apps like it,
similar instances in the past have lead to apps ultimately meeting their
demise.
虽然不知道"Clue"未来的命运,但过的案例可以推测它会走向灭亡
Back in 2013, for example, Apple added an official flashlight to iOS making a
plethora of third-party flashlight apps obsolete. The Measure app and even
Animoji were once ideas explored by third-party developers first.
2013年,苹果增加了手电筒功能,这使的一大票手电筒程式作废(我还真的下载一堆,
该删了)。"测量"app和"动态表情符号"原本都是第三方程式先开发的
Apple is also adding the ability to use an iPad as a secondary Mac display,
putting pressure on existing firms like Luna Display and Duet Display. And,
with a baked-in swipe-to-text keyboard, it looks like the writing may be on
the wall for apps like Swiftkey.
苹果也让iPad可以当Mac的第二萤幕。这使的原本靠这个赚钱的Luna Display和Duet
Display感到压力,当然还有滑动键盘,跟Swiftkey很像
Having an app or feature idea copied by Apple is apparently so prevalent that
it has a name: “Getting Sherlocked.” It refers to Apple’s Sherlock desktop
search tool, a precursor to Spotlight. But Sherlock’s functionality already
existed in a third-party app called Watson.
这被被苹果抄袭的行为是如此的常见,常见到大家都给它一个名字:被夏洛克。这指
的是苹果的桌面搜寻工具,Spotlight的前身,但夏洛克的功能本来就已经存在第三方
程式Watson
App Unfairness
App 不公平
At its core, “borrowing” ideas from another company or developer is pretty
common in the tech industry. Late Apple cofounder and CEO Steve Jobs even
once said that Apple has “always been shameless about stealing great ideas.”
在科技业,从其它公司或开发者借监灵感其实很常见。Steve 贾伯斯甚至说
:"苹果总是很无耻的偷伟大的想法"
But the bigger issue here is not that Apple copies app ideas, it’s that the
Cupertino tech giant can render those third-party apps obsolete at a drop of
a hat.
问题不是在於苹果拷贝这些app的创意,而是在於苹果只需要掉落一顶帽子就可以让
这些第三方程式作废
That’s true because first-party Apple features or apps typically have access
to tighter integration than third-party apps. Just look at Spotify and Apple
Music. The former streaming platform can’t currently be controlled via Siri,
while Apple’s can.
因为苹果的功能或是程式往往有权限做更紧密的结合,但第三方程式没有。看看Spotify
和Apple music,Spotify无法用Siri来控制,苹果的却可以。
Apple may also have an unfair position as the creators and maintainers of the
App Store. The company has full access to a treasure trove of deep insights
into app popularity. It could use that data to figure out which apps or
features users want and debut its own solutions based on them.
苹果处在一个不公正的位置,它球员兼栽判,同时是app store的创造者和维护者。
它拥有所有的权限去接触所有的财宝:像是app欢迎程式。藉由这些资料,
它可以知道哪些功能是使用者要的,并且创造它自己的版本
It’s also worth noting that Apple takes a cut of any in-app purchases made
on the App Store.
更何况,苹果从in-app购买中赚钱
A former App Review team leader made it clear that Apple doesn’t “borrow”
ideas from apps during the review process. That presumably prevents the
company from denying an app and then stealing its idea.
App审查员说苹果没有在app审查的时候借监别人的创意。这个理论上避免
苹果拒绝一个程式然後偷它的创意
Developers could, conceivably, avoid the App Store if they find this unfair.
But doing so could doom their app from the start. According to WaPo, Apple is
responsible for a staggering 71 percent of all app-generated revenue in the
U.S.
开发者理论上如果觉得不公平可以不要用App store,但在美国,71% app营收来自於
App store
Antitrust Implications
反托拉斯?
The WaPo story comes at a time when Apple and other tech giants are under
increasing scrutiny for allegedly unfair practices.
现在苹果和其它科技业对於它们不公平的竞争行为受到越来越严格的检视
Many political figures have called for Apple and other tech giants to be
broken up. The Justice Department is also reviewing tech giants like Apple
for possible violations of antitrust regulations.
很多政治人物要求苹果和其它科技巨头被分拆。
心得:
进入App Store就好像进入中国市场一样,虽然很赚,但一旦技术被抄就没有了
苹果最厉害的不是创新
而是把别人的创新变的完美
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1F:推 kiminocodo : 恶心 09/06 10:07
2F:→ cauliflower : 重新定义 09/06 10:08
3F:推 chris900812 : 重新定义 正常发挥 09/06 10:09
4F:嘘 vaio8937 : 重新定义 09/06 10:09
5F:推 hyghmax1202 : 靠心得有点中肯... 09/06 10:15
6F:→ hyghmax1202 : 本文重点:抄袭乃兵家常事,但苹果的优势就是他可 09/06 10:17
7F:→ hyghmax1202 : 以获得比第三方开发者更高的手机权限去让苹果自己 09/06 10:17
8F:→ hyghmax1202 : 的版本比第三方更完美。 09/06 10:17
9F:推 surnameada : 苹果之所以能让自家程式完美跟手机结合 09/06 10:18
10F:→ surnameada : 来自於不把权限给第三方程式 09/06 10:18
11F:推 onnie : 已经是中国的形状了 09/06 10:19
12F:推 Forestier : spotify跟netflix也在哭阿,说你要抽就算了 抽完再 09/06 10:21
13F:→ Forestier : 出跟你一样功能的东西,苹果成本就是低你三成,他又 09/06 10:21
14F:→ Forestier : 能合并内建功能 09/06 10:21
15F:→ w113353 : 安卓情况也没好到哪吧 09/06 10:23
16F:→ kouta : 原来手电筒是抄袭 噗ㄘ 09/06 10:24
17F:推 w113353 : Google也会"整合"各家UI的优点放到原生安卓啊w 09/06 10:24
18F:推 BABU1990 : 借监没问题吧 第二个第三个手电筒App不都是借监第一 09/06 10:24
19F:推 Bob9154 : 安卓好一点点 至少Spotify这种开放连接 09/06 10:25
20F:→ is1128 : Google 生态链大都免费阿~但是 apple 生态链不是 09/06 10:27
21F:→ is1128 : 所以对於第三方来说影响更大 09/06 10:27
22F:推 hyghmax1202 : 安装情况没好到哪?上次还有人嫌原生安卓很多功能 09/06 10:30
23F:→ hyghmax1202 : 没内建呢~而且还觉得打工仔的原厂算原厂。 09/06 10:30
24F:→ hyghmax1202 : 少打一个字 “打工仔的原厂不算原厂” 09/06 10:32
25F:→ kouta : 再浩劫 开发者在 App Store 还是赚比较多吧 09/06 10:34
26F:→ kouta : 不然谷歌 GCam还会使用者被拆出来给别厂牌装呢XD 09/06 10:34
27F:→ kouta : 安卓OS浩劫 09/06 10:34
28F:推 is1128 : app store 人数多,被 apple 抽的也有 09/06 10:36
29F:→ is1128 : 也很多 09/06 10:36
30F:推 whoisko : 最可怜的是HTC吧,优势UI的功能被google抄光了再便 09/06 10:37
31F:→ whoisko : 宜买 09/06 10:37
32F:推 w113353 : 不过我以为在整合进去之前都会先跟app作者商讨安家 09/06 10:37
33F:→ w113353 : 费呢? 看来没那麽好康? 09/06 10:37
34F:推 kinki999 : 抄没关系,至少也买个授权吧 09/06 10:38
35F:→ h8565656p : htc是自己被打也不哎的类型 09/06 10:45
36F:→ h8565656p : 所以卖给google不见得是坏事 09/06 10:45
37F:→ h8565656p : 倒是黑暗模式来说,真的不管google或apple,都让人觉 09/06 10:46
38F:→ h8565656p : 得恶心 09/06 10:46
39F:推 qqqzzz123 : google也会抄阿,只是比较佛心,google会抄的很烂, 09/06 10:55
40F:→ qqqzzz123 : 然後让大家更想去用第三方 09/06 10:55
41F:推 bc0121 : 推楼上 09/06 11:12
42F:推 opengaydoor : Google凭实力在佛心的XDD 09/06 11:19
43F:推 SODtaiwan : 这点google真的比较佛 y 09/06 11:22
44F:推 s605171995 : 开发者可以选市占八成的google play上架阿 09/06 11:41
45F:→ abelyi100 : 有个有名的是Apple的Night Shift从flux偷过来 09/06 11:41
46F:→ abelyi100 : 但因为flux更久以前是在JB界比较知名所以 09/06 11:41
47F:→ abelyi100 : 一般人不知道也不太重视…… 09/06 11:41
48F:→ s605171995 : 不是很爱嘴apple全球市占不到20% 09/06 11:41
49F:→ s605171995 : 市占都这麽低了哪有什麽垄断问题 09/06 11:42
50F:推 Andosinjo : 接下来还有蓝芽定位装置吧!市面上的要被打趴了... 09/06 11:46
51F:→ Andosinjo : 因为Apple加入市场後,会先把对方弄残。最明显的例 09/06 11:46
52F:→ Andosinjo : 子是up by jawbone,当初他还在Apple直营店贩售手 09/06 11:46
53F:→ Andosinjo : 环咧!直接被苹果下架 09/06 11:46
54F:→ kouta : 垄断莺歌小镇的杂货店 09/06 12:10
55F:→ kouta : 乾脆说苹果抄袭手机 弄垮NOKIA跟SE 09/06 12:11
56F:推 m122156419 : Google真的抄得很烂XD 09/06 12:12
57F:推 hyghmax1202 : 这点真的不否认 原生真的太简陋XDD 09/06 12:17
58F:推 ktw8723706 : 还有一种是直接收购 workflow变成shortcuts 我觉得 09/06 12:19
59F:→ ktw8723706 : 还是看软体开发商的功力跟专利 09/06 12:19
60F:推 qwert65732 : 不然你要买安卓吗 我大苹果拿你一点创意是看得起你 09/06 12:23
61F:→ qwert65732 : 让你的产品放在手机里给众人使用 09/06 12:23
62F:嘘 wz70403 : 抄袭三小 明明就是重新定义 09/06 12:27
63F:→ wz70403 : 帮第三方app导回正途 09/06 12:28
64F:嘘 doubleperson: 安卓还不是这样 09/06 12:30
65F:推 e2000 : Google靠服务吸引人使用,再从广告谋取更多利益, 09/06 12:37
66F:→ e2000 : 佛心?美国可是资本主义社会 09/06 12:37
67F:嘘 Gedu : 哈哈哈 安卓没得用哭哭 09/06 12:55
68F:推 weltschmerz : 被苹果看上是你的荣幸 免费测试员 好爽 09/06 13:01
69F:推 sunskist0831: 我大苹果你敢嘴 09/06 13:06
70F:推 CryMasK : 跟早期的Windows一样 09/06 13:11
71F:推 BoatLord : 「把别人的创意变的完美」X「重新定义」O 09/06 13:12
72F:推 LastAttack : 其实不怎麽样,安卓还不是一样的状况。症结点是在AP 09/06 13:22
73F:→ LastAttack : P store的分润吧 09/06 13:22
74F:推 dawn5566 : 原来苹果都是靠____的 09/06 13:22
75F:→ LastAttack : 以前安卓手电筒也没包在一起,还有投放萤幕也是 09/06 13:23
76F:推 BIGETC : 苹果的抄念作重新定义 09/06 13:26
77F:嘘 lucifero : 抄袭(X) 重新定义(O) 09/06 13:36
78F:推 lanszul : 贫果不意外阿 09/06 13:45
79F:→ xbearboy : 当年最经典的不是ibook的翻页过场效果吗? 09/06 14:36
80F:→ streit : 重新定义 09/06 14:41
81F:嘘 s14545 : 苹果做什麽果然都是对的 09/06 15:01
82F:→ DazaiOsamu : 一堆功能都抄越狱tweak 也没见越狱圈哀嚎 09/06 15:08
83F:推 oppoR20 : 你只看ptt当然没人哀嚎 有听过reddit跟twitter吗 09/06 15:14
84F:嘘 Kagero : 果黑闹够了没 09/06 17:51
85F:嘘 colawei : 讲的像是GOOGLE没有内建这些功能一样 09/06 17:56
86F:推 Aurestor : 还好苹果课金比较贵 所以我不会去碰 不用吃苹果的屎 09/06 22:40
87F:→ kouta : 课金的O有比较香吗 09/07 02:27
88F:嘘 takaoila : 红明显,哥你的翻译是google翻译的吗 09/07 06:07
89F:推 ntlmystery : 重新定义 09/07 10:18
90F:推 pokiman : Samsung music直接把spotify放首页 09/07 11:43
91F:嘘 qazwsxedcs : 苹果就是屌大 09/08 02:19