※ [本文转录自 NBA 看板 #1GWhnoe0 ] 作者: lollygagger (chivalry's alive) 看板: NBA 标题: [外絮] Q&A with … Don Nelson 时间: Sat Oct 20 22:59:56 2012 http://0rz.tw/cko9F Nelson: 'Luckiest guy in the world' 传奇教头老尼：我是全天下最幸运的人 By Marc Stein | ESPN.com Originally Published: September 6, 2012 （节录） Q: OK, fine. How true is the statement that you had pretty much given up all hope of getting into the Hall? A: Absolutely. I didn't think this was going to happen. I think I got rejected four times, so I had pretty well dismissed it from my mind. But I think Jerry Sloan helped me. He got in a couple years ago without winning a championship and I think that might have helped open the door for me. [Former Bucks and Warriors owner] Jim Fitzgerald is the guy that wanted it to happen so bad. He's the one who kept having [ex-Bucks PR man] Bill King send in all the [Hall of Fame application] materials, all the stats and whatever else they look at. Fitz kept having him doing it. And then right before Fitz died [in June], I got in and he got such a kick out of it. He already knew that he wouldn't be able to be there, but he was just so happy. 听说你对於进入名人堂本来不抱任何希望了，是真的吗？ 是啊。我以为我没望了，因为他们已经拒绝我好多次，我也早就死了这条心。没想到 杰瑞史隆（Jerry Sloan）拉了我一把，二年前他进了名人堂而且也没拿过冠军，我想 他帮我打开了名人堂大门。 最希望这事能成功的人是吉姆费滋杰罗（Jim Fitzgerald，前公鹿／勇士老板），他 一直让比尔金（Bill King，前公鹿公关）送那些伸请进入名人堂的资料、数据进去， 忙了好多年。直到今年六月费滋去世前不久，他们才终於点头。费滋乐坏了。他知道 他的身子没办法撑到亲眼看我进去，可是他还是好为我高兴。 Q: The story you used to tell, as I remember it, is that you didn't even want to be a head coach when you took over the Bucks during the 1976-77 season. What happened again? A: I turned the job down three times, but Fitz made me do it. Larry [Costello] resigned suddenly, but I just wasn't ready to be a head coach. I was 36 years old. I wanted to coach two or three years with Larry and then Jack Ramsay is the guy I really wanted to work under. I thought after six or seven years I'd know enough to be a head coach. That was my plan. But the third time Fitz said: "Just try it out. We'll just have a h andshake deal, so just try it out and we'll move on after a year if you don't like it." We had a game in two days -- they had to get somebody to stand in there -- so that's what we did. We tried it for a year. Q: How much were you thinking about coaching when you were still playing with the Celtics? A: I never thought about coaching. I always wondered what in the world I'm going to do when I retire. That's why I tried refereeing [in summer league before joining the Bucks]. I didn't really know any coaches other than the Celtics' guys. I didn't get friendly with other coaches and I played so long with the Celtics that they were the only coaches I knew. I wouldn't have even known who to call. Q: So how did you get on the Bucks' radar? A: [Then-Bucks GM] Wayne Embry is actually who thought of it. Larry was very conservative and Wayne thought he needed a guy that the players could identify with. He asked if I'd come in and be Larry's assistant. I was the type of guy he was looking for -- ex-player -- and that's why I got the job. 我记得你之前说过，1976-77年公鹿找你去当总教练时，你是千百个不愿意执教。 再给我们讲讲这故事吧？ 我拒绝了三次，但费滋逼着我答应了。因为赖瑞（Larry Costello）闪电请辞，他 们急着找人，但我完全还没准备好当总教练，我才３６岁，菜的要命。本想跟赖瑞 学个两三年，再在我很仰慕的杰克兰瑟（Jack Ramsay）手下学个两三年，大概六 七年可以担得起总教练的位置，至少我的计划是这样。但第三次费滋来游说我的时 侯说：「你就勉为其难试试看嘛，我答应你，如果一年之後你不喜欢，我们就作罢 。」加上再两天就要比赛了，他们总得有个教练站在那儿。所以事情就这麽开始的 ，试个一年看看。 当你在塞尔堤克打球时，有想过以後要当教练吗？ 打球的时侯从没想过会去教球，我一直不知道退休之後我到底要干麻，所以（在加 入公鹿前）我才会去夏季联盟打工当裁判。除了塞尔堤克队的，我连半个教练也不 认识。我在塞队待太久了，所以外面的人面我生的很，就算想要找门路我都不知道 可以打给谁。 所以公鹿队到底怎麽注意到你的？ 其实找我是韦恩安布里（Wayne Embry，当时公鹿总管）的主意。赖瑞太保守了， 韦恩想找个能跟球员打成一片的人，所以他来问我愿不愿当赖瑞的助理教练。我 是他们想找的类型：打过球的，这就是我得到这份工作的原因。 Q: You were part of five championship teams in Boston as a player and no one ever talks much about that. Maybe they'll show an occasional replay of your shot against the Lakers [in Game 7 of the 1969 Finals that bounced high off the rim and in], but that's it. How much, deep down, does that bug you? A: I was just a so-so player anyway. I was lucky enough to hang around with a great team for a long time. What I brought to the party was in a reserve role. I was just a 25-minute player. But I'll never forget, when I was coaching my first stint with the Warriors, we're playing in Boston and we're having a morning practice or shootaround. So I went over to Mitch [Richmond] and said: "See that No. 19 hanging up there?" I said: "Yeah, that's my number." And Mitch said: "You played, Coach?" 你在波士顿当球员的时侯球队拿了五次冠军，你也有一份功劳，但大家好像很少谈到 你。也许偶尔会播一下你对湖人那球（在 1969 总冠第七战的关键时刻，弹得老高又 弹进），但也就这样而已。内心深处，你会不会介意这样的待遇？ 反正我也只是个差强人意的球员。能待在一个伟大的球队那麽久，我已经够幸运了。 我能给球队的，就是做好一个板凳出发的角色球员，我只是个上场２５分的角色。 不过有件事我忘不了，我在勇士的第一个任期，有次作客波士顿，在练习的时侯，我 走过去跟米契（Mitch Richmond）讲：「你看那上面挂的那１９号没？没错，那就是 我以前打球的背号。」米契吓了一跳：「什麽！教练，你打过球？！」 Q: I know I've asked you a variation of this question before, but how much did winning those rings as a player soften the blow of not winning a championship as a coach? Or did [playing success] actually make coaching more frustrating? A: I always felt that my teams overachieved ... or we at least gave everything we had every time in the playoffs. When we got beat, it was a better team that beat us I think all except one time, where Seattle beat [Golden State in the first round in 1992]. When we were supposed to win, we won. And we even won a bunch of times when we weren't supposed to win. As long as we played to our potential, or over it, I didn't really have any problem with it. There's only one time, when the Celtics beat us in Game 7 there by a couple points [in 1987], that it really affected me. I lost it after the game, started crying like a baby. Players were coming over to me to console me, which was pretty strange. That's the only time I can remember where I just felt that I let the team down and we should have won. But guess what happened? The Lakers beat the Celtics and won the championship that year. There's always somebody better. 这个问题我变着花样问过你好多次了，就是，当球员拿了五次冠军，能不能弥补 你当教练指上犹虚的遗憾？还是球员时期的夺冠，让教练时期没能夺冠更遗憾？ 我一直觉得我带的队都能超乎实力地发挥…至少我们在季後赛总是毫不保留的智 计百出。如果我们输了，那是因为对方实力比较强，只除了超音速（在1992年第 一轮打败金州勇士）那次。当对方实力不如我们，我们会赢。甚至当对方比我们 强的时侯，我们也赢了一堆比赛。只要我带的队能正常、或超常发挥，我就没什 麽好遗憾的。 只有一次，就是塞尔堤克（1987年）在第七战以几分之差打败我们，我是真的深 受打击。比赛之後我崩溃了，开始哭得跟什麽似的。球员都跑来安慰我，场面满 诡异的。那是印象中唯一一次我觉得我让球队失望，可以赢的比赛给我搞砸了。 但你猜怎麽着？湖人後来打赢了老塞，拿到那年的冠军。这个联盟就是这麽残酷 ，人外永远有人，天外永远有天。 　 Q: What's your reaction when you hear people talking about Nellie Ball? How would you define it? A: I suppose it means small ball, fast and exciting, point forward, players playing out of position ... all those kinds of things. It's kind of funny to me when people talk about stuff like that. I don't necessarily think it's accurate. You only play Nellie Ball when you don't have a very good team, or when you have a bunch of good small players and not many good big players. When you have bad teams, you've got to be creative to win games you're not supposed to win. I was innovative when I had to be, but I wasn't innovative when I didn't have to be. When I had good teams and big teams, I didn't play small ball. When I was in Milwaukee and we had Bob Lanier, we went inside. What I did really was evaluate the team and play the way that I thought we had to play to be the most competitive. If I had a big center, I wouldn't have played so fast. I would have waited for Lanier to get down [the court] like I did in Milwaukee. Those teams were defensive-oriented and those were my best teams, too, by the way. 听到大家讨论老尼球风（Nellie Ball），你的反应如何？你怎麽定义老尼球？ 我想就是指小球吧，节奏快速、紧张刺激、进攻为主，球员不照位置打球…这类的 事。听到人们讨论打法时用我的名字还满有趣的，不过这种玩法就看情况用。只有 在球队实力不够的时侯才能用老尼打法，或者是你有一堆小个球员，禁区大个子儿 却不够的时侯。如果球队战力很弱，你就得出奇行险才能赢那些比你强的球队。 所以必要的时侯我很大胆创新，球队实力用不着我这麽做的时侯，我也不会逞能。 如果我球队很强，或者有身材优势，我就不会玩小球。在密尔瓦基的时侯，队上有 巴比兰尼（Bob Lanier），我们就往内线打。所以与其说我打老尼球，不如说我会 先评估球队，然後选择一种可以把战力发挥到极致的打法。如果我有大中峰，就不 会把节奏打得这麽快，而是让大个儿到禁区做他的事，就像我在密尔瓦基做的一样 。公鹿是防守取向的球队，顺便一提，也算是我带过最有身材优势的球队了。 Q: Best players you've coached? A: Sidney Moncrief. [Dirk] Nowitzki and [Steve] Nash. [Chris] Mullin, [Tim] Hardaway and Richmond. I think those would be the top guys. Q: Not a lot of people get to coach or build teams with their son. How much more meaningful is the whole Dirk Nowitzki experience and what he's become because your son Donnie was such a big part of it? A: Any time you get a chance to work with your son, it's got to be a 10. To go through those things together, first with Sarunas [Marciulionis] and all the stuff Donnie did to get him, and then finding Nowitzki and him becoming the player we thought he's going to be and the success that the team had ... are you kidding me? You couldn't write a book better than the way all that stuff turned out. When I saw Dirk for the first time, he was the greatest 17- or 18-year-old or whatever he was that I'd ever witnessed. But the best part was that Donnie somehow got the practices [for the European All-Star team that Nowitzki was playing on leading up to the Nike Hoop Summit in San Antonio in 1998] to be in Dallas at the YMCA. And no one was allowed to go into t hose practices except Donnie and I. So for a whole week I watched Nowitzki play. I hadn't seen many players at a young age, but he was the most unbelievable played I'd ever seen at that age. I couldn't believe what he was capable of. Paul Pierce was [available] there [with the ninth pick in the 1998 draft] and he would have been a great pick as well, but we still took Nowitzki because of the size and the things he could do. 教过最好的球员？ 雪梨蒙克里夫（Sidey Moncrief）、司机、纳许、穆林（Chris Mullin）、哈德威 （Tim Hardaway）、李奇蒙（Mitch Richmond）。我想这些是我带过最好的球员。 不是每个人都有机会跟儿子一样执教或重建球队，你挖堀司机这块外国璞玉，也看着 璞玉打出名号，这一切经验已经够神奇，加上这其中令郎唐尼（Donnie Nelson）居功 厥伟，你感想如何？ 只要能跟自己儿子一起上班，就是满分的经验，更别说我们一起经历那些精采。唐尼 先是发现萨鲁那（立陶宛球员 Sarunas Marciulionis ），然後想尽办法把他搞来联 盟（译注：最早进ＮＢＡ的外国球员之一）。再来我们相中司机，他也不负我们期望 打了出来，还带着球队一起拿冠军……一切美好得不像话，小说家都编不出这麽神奇 的情节。 我记得第一次看到司机，他大概十七、八吧，是我看过那个年纪最厉害的球员了， 但故事最精采的部份，是唐尼不知怎麽弄的，把司机当时打的欧洲明星队搞来达拉 斯ＹＭＣＡ的场地练习，他们是准备参加 1998 年圣安东尼奥举行的耐吉篮球高峰 赛（Nike Hoop Summit）。妙的是除了我跟唐尼之外，还没人可以进去参观，所以 我观察司机整整一个礼拜。我是没看过多少年轻球员打球，可是他是同龄中我见过 最不可思议的球员，我简直不相信他能好到那种程度。 其实当年（1998 年）我们也可以用手上的第九顺位选保罗皮尔斯（Paul Pierce） ，他也是绝佳的选择。可是最後我们决定挑司机，因为他的身高优势，当然也因为 他那身本事。 Q: We can't ignore the fact that you've had your share of run-ins along the way and that's probably one of the reasons it took you so long to get into the Hall. Chris Webber, Chris Cohan, Patrick Ewing, Mark Cuban ... how many of those [feuds] have you patched up now and put behind you? A: They're all behind me as far as I'm concerned. I'm at the stage of my career now that I can't remember any of the bad things that happened. All the tough losses, all the ups and down ... I can only remember the good things. I guess it's like going through childbirth. Like the women who say they can't remember how hard it was when they look at their baby. 可是有件事我不得不提，就是你也满容易跟人起争执的，或许这也是这麽久你才进 名人堂的原因。克利斯韦伯（Chris Webber）、克利斯柯汉（金洲勇士老板 Chris Cohan）、尤恩、马克厍班…有多少事你已经一笑泯恩仇、不再介怀的？ 事情都过去了，我早就不介意了。走到人生的这个阶段，我已经学会不再跟不愉快 的往事乾杯，像是那些差之毫厘、失之千里的输球，潮起之後的潮落…我只记得美 好的回忆。就像女人生小孩一样，当她们看到孩子皱巴巴的小脸，生产的苦痛就被 抛在脑後了。 Q: You sat down with some Bay Area writers recently and re-told the story about how you might have had a chance to coach the Celtics in the '80s, but I also remember you telling us the story of a chance you might have had to coach the Spurs. Which one is the bigger regret? A: That [latter] one really is a regret. I couldn't have left Fitz [and the Warriors], but it was clear that it wasn't going to work out with Webber and I. So I begged [Fitzgerald] to keep Chris and let me go. [Gregg] Popovich was holding the [San Antonio] job open for me. All I had to do is make sure I was free. I knew I was going to get fired in Golden State, that's the way things were looking, but they wouldn't let me go. And then they fired me four months later. They were also selling the team right around that time, so there were issues. I don't know exactly how much influence that had, but I should have been the guy that left. Keep the star player, get a new guy in that does a better job of handling him and let me move on. I'd have gone to San Antonio and I'd probably still be coaching today. Q: I'm not sure San Antonio would have been big enough for you and Pop. A (Laughing): Pop would have been my GM. What fun we would've had. Q: What about this nonsense you've been trying to peddle lately that you're finished with coaching? A: All done. All done. I'm cooked. I'm having so much fun not coaching now I can't even imagine ever even thinking about it again. Q: I don't know that I believe you. A: It was hard for me [to say that a year ago]. That's why I tried to get the Minnesota job. But not anymore. I'm just having a ball. I spent 50 years in the NBA. Can you imagine doing something that you love the most in the entire world and doing it for your entire life and, besides that, getting a pile of money for it? It's unbelievable. I'm the luckiest guy in the world. And I know it. 听说最近你跟旧金山湾区一些记者聊天，又讲到你在八零年代有机会执教塞尔堤克 的故事，但我记得你跟我说过，你也差点去了马刺当总教练。你觉得这两件事哪个 比较可惜？ 没去马刺真的很可惜。如果不是我跟克利斯（Chris Webber）实在是合作不下去， 我不会离开费滋（还有勇士），当情况糟到不再糟，我只好求费滋选择韦伯，让我 好好离开。 帕波维奇（Gregg Popovich）一直帮我留着马刺教练的位置，我只要负责让自己恢 复自由之身就好。我知道当时勇士准备让我卷铺盖走路了，至少看起来是这麽回事 ，但我提出想走人的时侯，他们反而不让我走了，而几个月之後他们还是开除了我， 马刺的机会已经飞了。 当时勇士内部正在讨论要卖掉球队，所以球团本身就是多事之秋。我不知道这对他 们的决定有多大影响，但当时该走的人应该是我。球团应该保留明星球员，换个能 好好处理球员的教练来，爽快放手让我离开。想想如果我去成马刺的话，谁知道呢 ？搞不好我现在还在教球呢。 我不认为圣安东尼奥有大到能容下您二位老爷耶，毕竟两位脾气都不小。 （笑）帕波会是我的总管，想想看我们会闹出什麽好戏，哈哈。 最近你又在胡言乱语些什麽，说不想教球了。 不教了，我教够了，想收山啦。现在不当教练我过得快活得很，连想到要回去带 球队我都反胃。 真的吗？这话我不太相信耶。 一年前要我讲这话很难，当时我还没死心，所以才会去争取明尼苏达那份工作。现 在不会了，我的退休生活很不赖。 在联盟打滚五十年，你能想像可以一辈子做自己最爱的事，而且还靠做自己最爱的 事赚了一大堆钞票吗？不可思议的美妙。我真是全世界最走运的家伙了，我深深明 白这点。 -- 本版键盘GM口中的ＮＢＡ马盖先，Pop 的恩师 -- Don Nelson 智计百出，骇客战述、挖外国宝、Nellie Ball...再再创联盟先河。 --

※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 111.250.70.159 　多谢指正～ ※ 编辑: lollygagger 来自: 111.250.70.159 (10/20 23:44) 你激起了我的好奇心，答案是...George Karl 2011-2012赛季为止 胜场次数 总出赛次数 胜率(出赛500场以上) Don Nelson 1,335 Lenny Wilkens 2,487 Phil Jackson .704 Lenny Wilkens 1,332 Don Nelson 2,398 Billy Cunningham.698 Jerry Sloan 1,221 Bill Fitch 2,050 Gregg Popovich .680 Pat Riley 1,210 Larry Brown 1,974 K.C. Jones .674 Phil Jackson 1,155 Jerry Sloan 1,970 Red Auerbach .662 Larry Brown 1,098 Dick Motta 1,952 Pat Riley .636 George Karl 1,074 Pat Riley 1,904 Tom Heinsohn .619 Bill Fitch 944 George Karl 1,657 Rick Adelman .610 Red Auerbach 938 Jack Ramsay 1,647 Jerry Sloan .603 Dick Motta 935 Gene Shue 1,645 George Karl .595 ※ 编辑: lollygagger 来自: 111.250.70.159 (10/21 01:25)

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