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标题[外电] 小牛球员留队的重要性排名 #3: Jason Kidd
时间Wed May 30 14:03:52 2012
For many, even after his out-of-this-world performance in the 2011
postseason, Jason Kidd would not be a consideration to bring back next
season. After all, he'll turn 40 in March and he's coming off a season in
which he struggled through three injuries, missed 18 of 66 games and finished
with the worst statistics of his career.
对於很多人来说,尽管Jason Kidd在2011年季後赛打出了不可思议
的成绩,他们还是不希望Kidd明年回到小牛。毕竟Kidd将在明年三
月满40岁,今年又受了三次伤,在66场比赛中缺赛18场,打出来的
成绩也是生涯最差的。
In fact, there will be some of you who can't believe Kidd wasn't on this list
a week ago.
事实上,有些读者不敢相信为什麽Kidd不在上礼拜的名单当中。
(指#10~#6)
Everyone by now should know that Kidd's value is not measured by statistics
alone. And in regards to next season, his value can only be measured in Dirk
Nowitzki's happiness. Remember, Nowitzki is the one that really pushed for
the 2008 trade for Kidd, persevered with Kidd through the rough times when it
didn't look like a championship was in the stars and then ultimately won a
title with Kidd -- a long-awaited first for both.
大家都应该知道Kidd价值不是数据能显现的,在下一个球季,他的
价值还包括了让Dirk Nowitzki高兴。Dirk在2008年很支持球队交易
来Kidd,他与Kidd都被背负着无冕王的称号,直到不屈不挠的两人
终於赢来了期待已久的冠军戒。
And now Nowitzki wants him back. Nowitzki believes Kidd can still play the
game at a high level and make offense easier for the rest of the team, as
Nowitzki has often said. But there's another variable at work here. Nowitzki,
one might surmise, wants Kidd back to help ease the transition with the
possibility of a large-scale roster revamp on the way. And that revamp could
possibly include the club's future point guard, whether it's Kidd's friend
Deron Williams or someone else.
而现在Dirk希望他归队,他相信Kidd还是能在比赛中打出高水准,
并且让进攻变的更简单,这是Dirk常常说的。不过还有一个变数存
在,有人猜测,Dirk想要Kidd归队是因为明年队上可能会有一堆球
员的变动,Kidd在能减轻适应的麻烦。不过这个变动也可能包括球
队未来的先发控位人选,可能是Kidd的朋友Deron Williams或其他
人。
Nowitzki needs another familiar face, another familiar voice, a veteran,
old-school, respected presence to set the ground rules and help bring a new
cast of players together as quickly as possible. Kidd, loved by all in the
NBA, would be integral in getting that done.
Dirk需要一位熟悉的面孔、熟悉的声音、一个老将与受到尊敬的人
来帮忙订下规矩并很快的把新队员团结起来。做为在联盟中受到爱
戴的球员,Kidd会是这件差事很好的人选。
Just listen to Nowitzki talk about his pal:
"I’d love to have him back," Nowitzki said. "I was very fortunate in my
career to play with two of the best passing point guards there ever were with
Nashie (Steve Nash) and him. He’s been great. He's been a warrior, just one
of probably the fiercest competitors I’ve ever been around. That’s why he
was able to stick around a long time, because he still has it. He can make
big shots, he can compete on defense, he doesn’t care about stats and he’s
been a great friend off the floor, too; great guy, Hall of Fame player. We
wish to have him back, but if he decides, hey, there’s a good team I can
come off the bench and give them something and he leaves, then I can’t be
mad at him."
听听Dirk的说法吧:"我很希望他回来,我很幸运在生涯中搭配过
两位联盟中最会传球的控球後卫,Nash与Kidd。他很棒,他是位勇
者,他可能是我遇过最好斗的竞争者。这就是他为什麽能在联盟待
那麽久,因为他还做得到,他能投进关键球,能拼命防守,他不在
乎数据,在球场上是个好队友,是个很棒的家伙,未来名人堂的成
员。我们希望他能留下,但如果他决定能去其他球队,从板凳出发
并且给他们一些帮助,我也不会怪他。"
But would Dirk be mad if the Mavs didn't go the extra mile to re-sign Kidd if
dollars gap isn't ridiculously wide?
This will be interesting.
但如果小牛是因为薪资空间不够,所以没留下Kidd,Dirk会怪高层
吗?这会很有趣。
The Countdown roars along at No. 3 ...
JASON KIDD
Pos.: PG
Ht./Wt.: 6-foot-4, 210
Experience: 18 years
Age:
39 (March 23, 1973)
2011-12 stats:
6.2 ppg, 5.5 apg, 4.1 rpg, 48 G
Contract status:
Unrestricted free agent
2011-12 salary: $10.1 million
2012-13 salary: TBD
His story: A decade ago Kidd guided the Nets to back-to-back NBA Finals
appearances, proving that the step-child franchise can win in the shadow of
the Big Apple. And that was back when the shadow extended to the Jersey
swamps and didn't have a Russian billionaire owner promising to pay whatever
it takes to field a championship club. The question is whether J-Kidd is
showering any advice on the younger Williams, like how great it might be to
revive that franchise in a beautiful new building in Brooklyn. Or perhaps
Kidd is telling Williams how great Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson treat their
players and how they'll always give the franchise a chance to compete no
matter how difficult it appears (and this is one of those times). Kidd has
made no secret that he would happily accept a backup role to Williams and
very few others -- here or even possibly up there. Kidd has said he'd like to
return to Dallas, while at the same time leaving the door for change wide
open.
十年前,Kidd带领篮网连续两年打进总冠军战,证明了尽管篮网活在
尼克的阴影之下,还是可以打出佳绩。现在又有一位俄罗斯富豪买下
了篮网队,承诺会不惜资本把篮网打造成冠军队。问题是Kidd有没有
给年轻的蝶龙任何建议呢,例如说在布鲁克林美丽的新球场里为崛起
的强权效力是多麽美妙?又或者是Kidd会告诉他Mark Cuban与Donnie
Nelson是多麽友善的对待小牛的球员,而且这是一支不管有多少困境
都会奋战到底的球队。Kidd很大方的表示他乐於担任蝶龙会是其他一
些球员的替补,在小牛或是别的球队。Kidd说他想留下来,不过也不
排除转队的可能。
His outlook: Kidd has also said he wants to play two more years to take him
through 20 seasons and age 41. But can he be an effective everyday player at
his age? Will a return to the full 82-game schedule, with its month-long
buildup to the regular season and the normal days off between games help him
stay healthy and be more effective than he was during this rushed and
compacted season? And how much will he command on the open market? Does Kidd
see himself as a full mid-level guy? And which teams that he might find
attractive will be open to pay him? When the season ended, Kidd predicted
that his future will be settled very quickly once the July 1 free agency
period opens. Is that because he assumes that D-Will's future will be sealed
quickly? The intrigue builds.
Kidd说了他想再打两年,这会让在NBA打滚20个球季,并且打到41岁,
不过到时候他还会是这麽有效率吗?在球季回到82场比赛之後,球季
拉长一个月,不过有更多的时间休息,Kidd的调整会比今年休息时间
不足的缩水球季好吗?他又希望在市场上得到怎样的报价?Kidd真的
把自己视为联盟中的一般球员了吗?哪些球队会愿意开价给他?今年
球季结束之後,Kidd预测他在7月1号左右就会很快的决定去向,这是
因为蝶龙的去向也很快就会确定了吗?似乎有什麽阴谋。
下集待续
(请大家不要反应太过激烈...这只是国外作家的看法而已
跟小牛高层的决定没有绝对的关系)
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1F:推 kccc418 :颗颗 看来第二第一就不意外了 05/30 14:30
2F:→ kccc418 :不对 我看错了= = 原来这作者把Marion排这麽前面? 05/30 14:31
3F:推 kid1412815 :Kidd现在打替补应该会比先发好(教练更好 疑 ?) 05/30 14:32
4F:→ kid1412815 :小牛还是需要再一个有得分能力 爆发力的後卫 05/30 14:34
5F:推 lovedirk14 :香妹真的重要阿...本季他一个人撑防守篮板 有时又要 05/30 14:45
6F:→ lovedirk14 :得分 05/30 14:46
7F:推 wdv24680 :以今年的阵容 香妹第二重要 一点都不意外啊 05/30 15:38
8F:推 PaulDavis :慢走不送,不要留恋了。 05/30 15:40
9F:推 dallasjet :香妹在JK前面一点也不意外.我觉得香妹对小牛蛮重要的 05/30 16:17
10F:推 ahsoo :Kidd拿底薪坐板凳,偶而上场稳住局面的话,我觉得ok 05/30 17:02
11F:推 chieher :完了,老大跟大家的想法不一样,到底要不要挺老大!? 05/30 17:48
12F:→ hackerjack :Kidd要留在先发,前提是要有另一个突破型的後卫相伴 05/30 18:08
13F:→ hackerjack :不然,以KIDD的现况,打替补真的较合适。 05/30 18:09
14F:推 LJY99 :Dirk真中肯 05/30 19:07
15F:→ popstarkirby:Dirk讲话真得体 05/30 20:51
16F:推 muyang1016 :拜托转教练或拿一年约吧吧 05/30 20:58
17F:推 dmdjjj :所以到底为什麽可以排在第三?上面那篇推文所讲的考 05/30 21:50
18F:→ dmdjjj :量的因素好像都没看到?只是搬出Dirk讲的话... 05/30 21:50
19F:→ BTWay :因为他是Dirk的男人啊,够重要了吧 05/30 21:51
20F:推 dmdjjj :我不解你在说啥... 05/30 21:52
21F:→ BTWay :因为他可以让Dirk高兴啊,哈哈哈 05/30 21:54
22F:推 dmdjjj :喔好吧...你继续当我没问 05/30 21:57
23F:→ BTWay :这是开玩笑也是认真的,尼克就是个很好的对照组 05/30 22:00
24F:→ Royalweger :排第几不重要..明年替补老将底薪~不要拉倒~初非没补 05/30 22:05
25F:→ Royalweger :到PG...才可能留下来又先发吧OTZ 05/30 22:06
26F:推 dmdjjj :对照什麽?还是你觉得Dirk对Jet说类似的话会比对Kidd 05/30 22:09
27F:→ dmdjjj :少吗? 05/30 22:09
28F:→ BTWay :对照有没有够大牌的老将可以让阵中王牌服气啊! 05/30 22:21
29F:→ BTWay :就这点而言,Kidd跟Nash具有类似的价值 05/30 22:22
30F:→ BTWay :但Jet恐怕就没有这方面的能耐,无论其个人表现再好 05/30 22:23
31F:推 dmdjjj :太好了!如果是这个原因排第三那我想上面那篇推文中 05/30 22:25
32F:→ dmdjjj :所说的所有因素都变打脸了!原作也自己在自己脸 05/30 22:25
33F:→ dmdjjj :题外话以Dirk个性有没有大牌老将让他服气重要在哪我 05/30 22:26
34F:→ dmdjjj :实在是看不太出来呢 05/30 22:26
35F:→ BTWay :请问哪一篇是上面那篇?#1FnQyweN没推文啊@@ 05/30 22:31
36F:→ BTWay :再者也没人说这点是唯一原因,打脸的点可否见教? 05/30 22:32
37F:推 dmdjjj :Jet排名那篇去看看阿!没人说但你把这个算不上原因的 05/30 22:34
38F:→ dmdjjj :原因当成原因了阿 05/30 22:34
39F:→ BTWay :至於Dirk脾气如何?至少我记得他会骂Jet、与Odom互殴 05/30 22:35
40F:→ BTWay :这些对球队而言不见得是负面,但确实需要有人协助 05/30 22:36
41F:推 dmdjjj :Dirk在小牛待了13年我还没见过有谁说过他的脾气需要 05/30 22:37
42F:→ BTWay :你说不是原因的原因,也不过就是本篇第三段 05/30 22:37
43F:→ dmdjjj :有人协助控制勒!出了名好脾气你不知道? 05/30 22:37
44F:→ BTWay :应该比打老婆脾气好啦XD但是德国人也不是好惹的 05/30 22:38
45F:推 dmdjjj :唷打老婆是你说的不是我说的喔!所以你认为Dirk需要 05/30 22:39
46F:→ dmdjjj :打老婆的人协助控制脾气@@? 05/30 22:39
47F:→ dmdjjj :好像不太对喔= = 05/30 22:39
48F:→ BTWay :大家本来就是互相帮忙,而不是互相扯後腿,不是吗? 05/30 22:41
49F:→ BTWay :你爸你妈你老师会打你骂你,但他们难道无法给予协助 05/30 22:42
50F:推 dmdjjj :所以你还没告诉我Dirk什麽时候在场上脾气控制不好到 05/30 22:42
51F:→ dmdjjj :需要有人协助...至少我知道从他自己扛大旗当小牛老 05/30 22:42
52F:→ dmdjjj :大後就没有,严格要说就是去年夺冠後时间还没结束就 05/30 22:42
53F:→ dmdjjj :跑进休息室哭拉XD 05/30 22:43
54F:→ dmdjjj :等等,原来Kidd算得上Dirk爸妈@@? 05/30 22:43
55F:→ dmdjjj :这比喻很诡异抱歉 05/30 22:44
56F:→ BTWay :ㄟ,有的时候你可以看看别人文字背後的正面意义 05/30 22:44
57F:→ dmdjjj :有的时候你也可以看一下自己的比喻哪里有问题 05/30 22:44
58F:→ BTWay :你要代换成哥哥姊姊弟弟妹妹儿子女儿表弟表妹都可以 05/30 22:45
59F:→ BTWay :如果你有看懂我的意思,就算有点怪,又何必斤斤计较 05/30 22:45
60F:→ dmdjjj :问题在Dirk和Kidd仅仅是队友而没有你说的这些关系 05/30 22:45
61F:→ dmdjjj :你的比喻不只怪还难以成立,会打自己妻子的人代表其 05/30 22:46
62F:→ dmdjjj :脾气控制并不好,要这人教队友控制脾气? 05/30 22:46
63F:→ dmdjjj :别忘记Kidd这几年也有过几个被人拿来大大检视的危险 05/30 22:47
64F:→ dmdjjj :犯规,至少这个在Dirk身上不太看见 05/30 22:47
65F:→ dmdjjj :更重要的是,Dirk在小牛13年没有过脾气控制的问题 05/30 22:47
66F:→ BTWay :我是觉得很多时候打骂教育也是情绪控制不佳的表现啦 05/30 22:47
67F:→ dmdjjj :你现在说他骂Jet和Odom互殴需要人协助他控制脾气? 05/30 22:48
68F:→ BTWay :不是Kidd能教大家什麽,而是他本身威信足以稳定军心 05/30 22:48
69F:→ dmdjjj :那请问是Dirk在场上较稳定军心小牛表现较好还是Kidd 05/30 22:49
70F:→ dmdjjj :我知道这两人常一起在场上,但Dirk不在时很明显有一 05/30 22:49
71F:→ dmdjjj :大段的落差喔 05/30 22:49
72F:→ BTWay :不然其他NBA球员干麽把选他为本季最佳运动精神奖 05/30 22:50
73F:→ dmdjjj :以你这样说代表Kidd到小牛前的小牛都没有一个有威信 05/30 22:50
74F:→ dmdjjj :稳定军心的人罗? 05/30 22:50
75F:→ dmdjjj :........最佳运动员奖很大原因是他的年纪好吗 05/30 22:51
76F:→ BTWay :就我个人观点,我是觉得Lin更有运动精神啦XD 05/30 22:51
77F:→ BTWay :哈哈,那大家为什麽当年不投给Bowen?他也很老啊 05/30 22:51
78F:推 LJY99 :原来运动精神奖是这样评比的喔!? 噗 05/30 22:51
79F:推 PaulDavis :有Kidd在就稳定军心? 那建议他下季开始坐在观众席 05/30 22:52
80F:→ dmdjjj :不然你认为是选啥呢?年纪39还每场上30几分钟不是最 05/30 22:52
81F:→ PaulDavis :稳定军心就OK啦。 05/30 22:52
82F:→ dmdjjj :大原因是啥 05/30 22:52
83F:→ BTWay :那也很好啊,不如改为吉祥物,变成Dalla Kidds 05/30 22:53
84F:推 LJY99 :既然这样 那就快去建议 05/30 22:53
85F:→ BTWay :我不是有投票权的NBA球员,你可以上Twitter问问他们 05/30 22:54
86F:→ LJY99 :XDDD 05/30 22:54
87F:→ BTWay :啊,少了一个s,抱歉英文很烂QQ 05/30 22:54
88F:推 dmdjjj :入围的六个人先不讲较低调的Ridnour和Jamison,你真 05/30 22:55
89F:→ dmdjjj :的认为CP3和8DA是手脚乾净不讲垃圾话吗?别闹了= = 05/30 22:55
90F:→ dmdjjj :CP3可是出了名被说脏,8DA遮眼防守也闻名一时 05/30 22:56
91F:推 LJY99 :这不是大家都知晓的事实吗.... 05/30 22:57
92F:→ BTWay :如果还有另一个dmdjjjj,他会说你扯远了............ 05/30 22:57
93F:→ dmdjjj :不好意思有人出来扯最佳运动员选法,那时外电有讲到 05/30 22:58
94F:→ dmdjjj :选的准则在哪,但那准则来看入围者根本是屁 05/30 22:58
95F:→ dmdjjj :而出来扯的正是二位 05/30 22:58
96F:→ BTWay :我只是要说他在联盟有人望威信而已啦 05/30 22:59
97F:→ BTWay :不过由以上年纪大之类的说法,姑且认为我们认知一致 05/30 23:00
98F:→ BTWay :所以这个点皆大欢喜,恭喜大家达成共识 05/30 23:00
99F:推 thedin :有某人在的地方就有笔战= =可以给我清新健康的牛板吗 05/30 23:00
100F:推 dmdjjj :那我也只是要说你所谓的人望威信不是像你想的一样, 05/30 23:01
101F:→ dmdjjj :因为最佳运动员选的备受争议,而Dirk甚至到小牛整支 05/30 23:01
102F:→ dmdjjj :球队其实并太不需要大牌老将压其他人 05/30 23:01
103F:→ dmdjjj :笑话我多久没出现了今天闲暇没事讲几句又在扯清新健 05/30 23:02
104F:→ dmdjjj :康罗? 05/30 23:03
105F:→ BTWay :我也不太知道什麽是人望威信啦 05/30 23:05
106F:→ BTWay :但我相信d大一定颇有,毕竟你之前的文章都很有水准 05/30 23:06
107F:推 LJY99 :所以kidd文章 可以召唤你出来 XD 05/30 23:06
108F:→ BTWay :总之我只是想表达赞同本文第三段的意见啦 05/30 23:06
109F:→ BTWay :其他问题,你可以问本文作者 05/30 23:06
111F:推 dmdjjj :召唤我?你是不是看错什麽?我是在Jet那篇才出现 05/30 23:07
112F:推 LJY99 :是哦!? 那我看错了 因为这边你的留言数比较多呦 05/30 23:08
113F:→ LJY99 :我才会有错觉~ 颗颗 05/30 23:09
114F:推 dmdjjj :这跟留言数有关系吗?从Jet那篇延伸至这篇很明显不是 05/30 23:12
115F:推 LJY99 :无关吗!? 留言多不就代表最在意内容 05/30 23:16
116F:→ LJY99 :有没有延伸 我是看不出来啦! :P 05/30 23:16
117F:推 dmdjjj :刚刚说召唤现在又说在意?你看不出来怪我罗~ 05/30 23:17
118F:推 LJY99 :有人怪你吗!? 05/30 23:18
119F:推 dmdjjj :那讲这麽多干嘛? 05/30 23:20
120F:推 LJY99 :讲很多就是怪你!? (话说 好像是你推文比较多喔) 05/30 23:22
121F:推 dmdjjj :我推文似乎并不是跟你,是你自己跳进来唷 05/30 23:23
122F:→ DM24Tim :=======大家适可而止吧 已经偏离讨论的方向罗====== 05/30 23:23
123F:→ ahsoo :对我而言,没有惊动Yummy家族都还算ok的 XD 05/31 00:38
124F:推 schatz8 :3j大你认真了 对某球员迷来说那位球员做什麽都是贡献 05/31 00:39
125F:→ schatz8 :在场上有无形的贡献和灵气贡献 还可以帮助Dirk好心情 05/31 00:40
126F:→ schatz8 :伟哉伟哉 05/31 00:41
127F:→ ahsoo :其实这个争议一直存在,但就从建队观点来说,小牛需要 05/31 00:41
128F:→ ahsoo :是能切,能防的PG, 对传球的要求没那麽高 05/31 00:42
129F:推 hotcom :某些人看到 KIDD 又爆走罗~ 05/31 01:39
130F:推 maydayholic :有什麽好吵的= = 05/31 02:05
131F:推 windlande :某帐号战老基不意外~~ 05/31 02:48
132F:推 n924127 :某帐号战老基不意外+1 05/31 03:12
133F:推 FTKBOYS :某帐号战老基不意外+2 05/31 04:05
134F:推 illusory36 :某帐号战老基不意外+3 05/31 09:12