作者Guillen ()
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标题Re: [闲聊] Dustin Ackley刚超过了生涯的前1000AB
时间Tue Apr 23 07:33:32 2013
1F:→ okinawa8:这几天水兵几个写手都开始写要正视现实了 Smoak就只是个04/23 04:18
2F:→ okinawa8:挥棒很慢的大块呆...
来呼应一下。
http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/21/the-new-and-improved-justin-smoak/
The “New and Improved” Justin Smoak
Last June, I publicly “gave up” on Justin Smoak. In that post, I presented
a list of the first baseman in the last 30 years who had been given 1,000
Major League plate appearances before the end of their age-25 season. Justin
Smoak was the worst hitter on that list when I published it. He is no longer
the worst hitter on that list, because as you know, he had himself a pretty
good September, and it was enough to push him to second worst on the list,
passing Travis Lee so as to no longer be the least productive young first
baseman of the last three decades.
You don’t need any reminders about Justin Smoak’s September. You might have
seen it, if you were still paying attention to the Mariners last September,
and if you didn’t, you certainly read about it all winter. The mechanical
changes. The different approach. The adjustments. The confidence. Justin
Smoak reinvented himself in September, you’ve been told.
Justin Smoak, September 1st of 2012 to April 21st of 2013:
PA BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA
179 11.7% 17.9% 0.146 0.336 0.275 0.363 0.421 0.342
Since the big change starting making itself manifest — remember, he didn’t
come back up on September 1st, so it’s an arbitrary beginning point that
simply eliminates a bunch of bad at-bats he had before he started hitting
because they don’t fit the narrative, but that’s besides the point — Smoak
has now racked up 179 plate appearances and has 12 extra base hits.
Twelve.
That projects out to 40 extra base hits per 600 plate appearances, or
essentially a full season of regular playing time. To put that in context,
Casey Kotchman has averaged 42 extra base hits per 600 plate appearances in
his career. You remember Casey Kotchman, right? The underpowered first
baseman who is in the big leagues for his contact rate and his glove?
That’s the kind of power that the revamped, new-and-improved Justin Smoak
has shown since the beginning of last September. Overhauled Justin Smoak hits
for about as much power as Casey Kotchman. You might look at the overall line
and say “hey, a .342 wOBA, I’ll take that”, but note what’s driving that
mark — a .336 BABIP which is simply not sustainable for a guy with Smoak’s
profile. He’s extremely slow, he hits the ball in the air a decent amount,
and he hits his fair share of pop-ups. That is not the profile of a guy who
is going to post a high BABIP over any real length of time. Take the air out
of those numbers, and you’re basically left with a guy who takes some walks
and has gap power, but also strikes out at about an average rate, so he won’
t hit for enough average to overcome the fact that he just doesn’t hit the
ball very hard all that often.
This is, essentially, the inevitable conclusion that evidence forces us to
draw: Justin Smoak is just not very strong. He’s never been very strong. He’
s never really hit for power in any kind of extended sample. Even going back
to the minors, he has a career .407 slugging percentage in Triple-A. That’s
in 559 plate appearances, all of them in the PCL, which is the most hitter
friendly league in organized baseball. In 50 games at Double-A as a
22-year-old, he had a whopping 16 extra base hits.
Justin Smoak has always been Casey Kotchman without the defense or the
contact skills; it’s just taken us a while to realize it. But, at this
point, there’s just no other conclusion to draw. If we look at the list of
first baseman in the last 30 years that have been given 1,500 PAs through
age-26, we find 49 names, and once again, Travis Lee is the worst hitter on
the list. But he’s only going to be the worst hitter on that list for
another day or two, because Justin Smoak has 1,495 career plate appearances,
and he’s going to cross the 1,500 PA threshold at some point in Houston. And
when he does, he’ll officially become the worst hitter on that list, as his
start to the 2013 season has pushed his career wRC+ down to 88.
In fact, even if you double the time frame we’re looking at, and go back to
1953 so that we’re looking at 60 years of baseball history, you will find
exactly two first baseman who received 1,500 PAs through their age-26 season
and hit worse than Justin Smoak; Dan Meyer and Dalton Jones. They are two of
the worst players to get substantial playing time in Major League history.
Meyer finished with a career -5.6 WAR, while Jones finished with a career
-3.6 WAR. They were artifacts of a time when talent evaluators weren’t so
great at their jobs.
Now, Major League teams weed out players like Dan Meyer and Dalton Jones.
They stop giving playing time to below replacement level players, because as
the term suggests, there are equal or better players just hanging out in the
minors, waiting for a shot at the big league level. Once it becomes fairly
clear that a player is not substantially above replacement level, there’s no
real reason to keep running him out there anymore.
Justin Smoak has 1,495 career plate appearances and is at -1.0 WAR. Maybe
Justin Smoak made some real changes last September that he’ll be able to tap
into occasionally, and maybe he’ll have a few more good months in the big
leagues before his career is over. Guys develop at different paces. Baseball
is weird, and bad players can become good players. It is not impossible for
Justin Smoak to eventually become a decent Major League player.
But, at this point, there’s just no real reason for the Mariners to keep
trying to squeeze blood out of this particular turnip. The mirage of hope
that surrounds Justin Smoak is just that — a mirage. Until he magically
develops some strength that he has never possessed before, nothing else he
changes will really matter. There is a large mountain of evidence that Justin
Smoak is just not strong enough to be a productive Major League first baseman.
He wasn’t strong enough before he made all those adjustments and he’s not
strong enough now. At least with Jesus Montero we can point to his age and
hope that maybe there’s some development time left that can make a
difference. With Dustin Ackley, we can point to his contact skills, his
speed, and his defense as reasons to think that he might still become a
productive big league player.
With Justin Smoak, there’s nothing left to point to. He’s not young. He’s
not improving. His mechanical adjustments haven’t made him any stronger, and
he’s currently only making contact on 72% of his swings at pitches in the
strike zone, about the same rate as guys like Mark Reynolds and Dan Uggla.
This isn’t an approach issue. Justin Smoak can’t learn how to be strong. He
simply lacks a physical skill necessary to make the rest of his physical
skills worth playing.
I know a lot of people are questioning whether the Mariners have a
developmental problem within the organization, given how the young core of
hitters seem to be regressing and are nowhere close to living up to their
minor league hype. And, I’m open to the idea that maybe the Mariners are
doing something at the minor league level that is causing talented young
players to underperform in the big leagues. But, with Justin Smoak, I think
the reality is that we’re just seeing a physical flaw exposed. Scouts liked
the swing, analysts liked the walks, and everyone — myself included — just
ignored the fact that he was a bat-only player who lacked real power.
I don’t think the Mariners have failed to get the most out of Justin Smoak.
I think we’ve seen the best Justin Smoak has to offer. It’s just not very
good, and it’s time for the organization to move on and give someone else a
chance. Or, at least, it would be if they had anyone at Triple-A or on the
bench who deserved a promotion. They don’t, so we’ll get Justin Smoak a
little while longer, maybe even for the rest of the year.
But, at this point, we can all give up on Justin Smoak now. He’s not part of
the core. He’s not a long term answer to any question a Major League team
should be asking.
快速大意翻:
1. 烟男马上就要变成史上最烂的固定先发一垒手了。
2. 虽然阿基师跟猛特罗也都很鸟,但对烟男已经没什麽好期待的。
3. 老大不小、速度慢、contact差、没什麽进步。
4. 最重要的是,他根本就没炮瓦,即使从小联盟时期就是个弱炮了。
5. 去年九月好像生猛有劲,但即使从那些数字推算,整季下来他的长打力跟烤鸡人差不多
,守备还没有烤鸡人好咧。对啦,wOBA很漂亮,但那是运气好啦。
6. 烟男不是我们的年轻核心,是时候放弃这段感情前进了,虽然球团应该还会想试试看。
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不管你怎麽想,反正我是信了。XD
今年球季结束後续签 Kendrys Morales 吧。
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3F:推 aibakoji:Morales有个问题,他的经纪人是Scott Boras 04/23 07:37
4F:推 okinawa8:JS写的Simplifying Jesus Montero那篇也很劲 04/23 08:34
5F:→ okinawa8:看了我都觉得Montero全身破绽 04/23 08:34
6F:推 Nocturnecat:一想到就连Loney都打得比他好就想哭… 04/23 08:43
7F:→ BatmanII:我发这篇讨论是因为我想不久後他就可以写 04/23 09:16
8F:→ BatmanII:一篇Ackley放弃.一篇Jesus放弃... 04/23 09:16
9F:推 Pennyjr:K-Mo不是想签就可以签的下,看看这两年花前的状况 04/23 10:59
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