作者Guillen ()
看板Mariners
标题What Hammy to the Angels Means for the M's
时间Sat Dec 15 02:49:41 2012
我觉得是许多篇护航文中,较为持平的一篇。文章又短又简单,大家参考参考。
http://sodomojo.com/2012/12/13/what-hamilton-to-the-angels-means-for-the-ms/
JJ Keller
I am sure all of you heard the news about Josh Hamilton agreeing to a 5 year,
$125 million contract with the AL West rival Angels. This is bad news for not
only the Hamilton-or-busters, but really for every Mariner fan. Even if you
did not find Hamilton enticing, you cannot like seeing him sign with a rival,
especially one who was already a very good team.
Hamilton转战天使是个坏消息,不仅是对抱持着『给我汉米其余免谈』立场的球迷而言,
基本上对所有水手球迷都是,天使现在如虎添翼。
I, personally, was somewhere in the middle. I was not all in on Josh as some
were, but I did like him for the right price. I might have even given him the
deal that LA did, but I have a feeling we would have had to beat that offer
by quite a bit. Playing for an 89 win team with the likes of Albert Pujols
and Mike Trout is a little more attractive than coming to a young team with a
lot of question marks in a pitchers park.
我应该算是『中间选民』,没那麽爱他但是能够用好价格得到他也很棒,甚至我愿意开
给他天使开出的价码,但天使是高富帅,我们要得到他得多出一点才行。
Now many of you may be thinking the Ms absolutely need to sign Nick Swisher
or someone comparable so we can try to match what the Angels did, and I
understand where you are coming from. But I strongly disagree.
现在许多球迷开始喊正妹Swisher非签不可,但我不那麽想。
In my opinion, the Mariners have two options at this point.
They can either sit tight and maybe make a few smaller additions such as
Jason Kubel or Mike Morse to at least stay relevant, but not go after a big
time free agent, or
They can go all out and bring in 3-4 big time players like Swisher, Justin
Upton, Michael Bourn and a pitcher.
在我看来水手现在有两个方向可以做:
1) 不追FA,做一些例如 Kubel 或是 Morse 凤还巢这类的小型补强。
2) 梭哈买下Swisher + Upton + Bourn + 一名投手。
Let me explain what some people may think of as crazy.
Option one makes sense because they aren’t going to compete in this
division, even if they bring in one big name bat like many hoped for. 3.5 –
4 WAR Nick Swisher does not get us anywhere but 3rd place at best. He
probably never would have instantly brought the Ms to contention, but now
there is almost no chance. No one or two players are going to be able to
catch the Angels, at least for the next few years.
That’s why it makes sense to stay put for now, and reassess next year or the
year after. Then we can bring in a bat that will still be around when the
Angels are old and the Ms have a chance to win. Bringing in Swisher on a 4-5
year deal when they won’t compete until the last two years of the deal, when
Swisher is most likely no more than an average player, does not help.
Wait it out, then make your big splash in 2014 or 2015.
水手根本就还没有什麽竞争力,补一个WAR 3.5-4 的正妹,顶多只能把我们拉到第三名
,只补一两个好手,至少在未来几年都没办法拉近我们跟天使的差距。
所以继续观望的策略就变得有点道理了,晚点再补进一个可以长留到天使老去水兵奋起时
的棒子。给正妹4-5 年约,然後等到水手有竞争力时,他已经变成一个普通人了,这对水
手毫无帮助。
等待,然後在14'或15'好好洒钱。
As for option two, it is the only chance the Ms have at competing in the next
year or two. They are way behind the Angels now, and it would take multiple
top players to stay with them. I’m talking signing Swisher, Bourn and Edwin
Jackson, no matter what it takes. Trading for Upton no matter what it takes.
Doing whatever is needed to get the players that will keep you in the hunt.
Unfortunately, I think option one is much more likely for this team.
第二方案就是一步登天,不计一切代价拿到好几个好球员。但不幸的是,第一方案比较有
可能发生。
Ownership has not shown a huge desire to win, and I don’t expect that to
change.
这句我就不翻了,高层甲赛。
I see Jack trading for a 2nd or 3rd tier guy like Mike Morse or Jason
Kubel, and waiting the rest out. As hard as it is to admit, that may be the
best option for this current Mariner team.
虽然很不想承认,但补进几个次级品应该是目前最好的选择。
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个人意见:高层烂成这样,什麽都喊假的,2014也不用想砸钱补强。
很爱说天使之後会变老人战队,但人家就是愿意花钱,汉
米普神老到不行时还是愿意花50M 把这两只按在板凳上,
然後再花50M签两只巨星,根本就没有什麽『对水手来说
可以一较高下的时机』,人家会一直保持在追不上的状态。
任天堂快把球队卖一卖吧,没钱花就只能玩沙。
JZ问题也很大,如果老板不给钱,那就认真一点走光芒模式
啊,每个层级的农场都顾好(现在除了三小强还有富兰克林
,其实根本就很荒芜),好好找寻5-8M年薪的功能性球员,
一开始可以去谈LaRoche或是认真交易Morse,要补外野Ross
也不错啊,结果跑去跟豪门凑热闹纯粹浪费时间。
结果现在我们得到些什麽?Bay,还有Boesch与Ibanez的乳摸
,干这些连次级品都称不上好吗?
省钱有省钱的玩法,可能一百年都拿不到冠军,但是还是有机
会进季後赛啊,现在能摸个边拿个外卡二大家就爽死了,总比
现在这种没盼望的鸟样还要好吧?
在我看来,水手今年真正的补强是补进休士顿太空人。
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1F:推 okinawa8:rumor看看就好, Boesch除非真的换了否则我只觉得是笑话 12/15 03:23
2F:→ okinawa8:我不认为JZ目前的做法有太大问题 只是成绩没出来就是 12/15 03:25
3F:→ okinawa8:这几年我感觉造成水兵积弱不振的原因其一是一堆新秀在MLB 12/15 03:26
4F:→ okinawa8:卡关 这一点JZ其实也满无辜的..AAA>MLB会发生什麽事情根 12/15 03:27
5F:→ okinawa8:本天知道 其二是JZ在砂砾捞珍珠这点上做得不够多 这几 12/15 03:29
6F:→ okinawa8:年来真的有补强到的便宜品大概就不拉娘, 阿斯马, Guti(後 12/15 03:29
7F:→ okinawa8:来坏了)和Jaso之类的 但是不管质或量都不够... 12/15 03:32
8F:推 okinawa8:和花不花钱没什麽大关系...就像国民也不是靠Werth 12/15 03:39
9F:→ okinawa8:再有耐心看一年吧 要棒子不是也搞来耶稣了吗 他的棒子在 12/15 03:42
10F:→ okinawa8:小联盟还不够大根吗 他也才23岁 12/15 03:43
11F:→ okinawa8:最後我还是认为水手离有竞争力没那麽远 就像去年第一个 12/15 03:45
12F:→ okinawa8:月Smoak扛下打线的时候战绩就起来了 就像教士打线只靠A- 12/15 03:46
13F:→ okinawa8:Gon还是能打一样 打线只要有一个人出来扛得住水手就会很 12/15 03:48
14F:→ okinawa8:不一样 12/15 03:48
15F:推 blackdevil:有一个打出来就能扛住不就更该追Hamilton? 12/15 04:07
16F:→ blackdevil:话说我觉得能在这分区从四跳到三就是很大的进步.... 12/15 04:08
17F:推 hunterqiji:水手补进太空人﹐但美西其他对手也在补进啊... 12/15 06:44
18F:→ hunterqiji:条子猴子绿帽三个队拼不过﹐外卡也是没戏 12/15 06:44
19F:推 Pennyjr:我们明年最大的进步就是从分区垫底进步到分区倒数第二 12/15 07:04
20F:→ Guillen:楼上说的就是我的意思。 12/15 07:36
21F:→ Guillen:看到一则消息,水手开出的合约是4/100加连第5、6年option 12/15 07:39
22F:→ Guillen:如果是真的话,那代表老板不小气跟JZ没有过於谨慎。 12/15 07:41
23F:推 shoting:Phillies Claim Mauricio Robles 12/15 09:01
24F:→ shoting:结果还是没养起来 12/15 09:01
25F:→ skalt:老挥啊跟洋基签了13M/2year,要2015才能回来退休了(?) 12/15 10:44
26F:推 cd12631:我也有看到10M/4y那则消息 如果那是真的 我觉得还比较释怀 12/15 11:22
27F:→ cd12631:比较怕的就是完全是对外喊一喊 喊爽的 12/15 11:22
28F:推 cd12631:Dicky交易案进行中 条子到底会不会崩溃乱换哩 12/15 11:45
29F:推 l60km:会不会汉米自己不太想来? 12/15 11:45
30F:推 pjharper:是安慰球迷的假消息吗?XD 12/15 12:13
31F:推 cd12631:如果是100/4 那合约内容和天使差没多少 选天使也满合理 12/15 12:18
32F:→ lovejeely:有人要对Trumbo下手了,趁乱冲一把吧 12/15 12:42
33F:→ lovejeely:我是觉得天使应该不会这麽脑残换掉Trumbo 12/15 12:42
34F:→ lovejeely:不过既然有传言,问一问也不用钱,混水摸鱼探探风向XD 12/15 12:43
35F:→ larksong:水手有筹码去换 Trumbo吗 ? 这位能换到的话队打线有帮助. 12/15 13:26
36F:推 Purekim:同区肯定被打枪吧 12/15 13:49
37F:推 Nocturnecat:就像玩LOL一样~从前期的装就是高你一阶,一路压到後期 12/15 15:21
38F:→ Nocturnecat:还没等到一较高下的机会出现的时候都不知道GG几年了.. 12/15 15:22