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※ [本文转录自 MLB 看板 #1E-_psZ_ ] 作者: abc12812 () 看板: MLB 标题: Trading ace Hernandez would benefit M’s 时间: Thu Dec 29 13:38:59 2011 http://tinyurl.com/7eyk5xp Jack Zduriencik knew why I had called before I even asked a question. Depending upon your perspective, it’s either good or bad that Jack Z is reading my mind. I say good, because Jack Z is always pleasant about it, and maybe he and I can one day take our act on the road. “Trade Felix,” I say. “No,” Jack Z replies. Now before Mariners fans get all upset with me again for suggesting to their GM that he trade right-hander Felix Hernandez, allow me to cite two recent developments: ‧ The Padres’ boffo return for right-hander Mat Latos, a pitcher who isn’t nearly as good as Hernandez (who is?). ‧ The Athletics’ strong return for left-hander Gio Gonzalez, another pitcher who isn’t nearly as good as Hernandez. ‧ The stunning offseason additions of the Rangers and Angels, who no longer are simply the best teams in the AL West, but perhaps the best in the American League. The Mariners, even if they somehow sign free-agent first baseman Prince Fielder, aren’t going to make the playoffs next season, and probably wouldn’ t qualify in 2013, either. I understand the fan opposition to trading Hernandez, but the goal is not to destroy the M’s, it’s to make them better. The Yankees, as I wrote in March, are a logical trade partner, deep in young talent and strong enough financially to absorb the $58 million left on the final three years of Hernandez’s contract. For King Felix, other teams would jump, too. Zduriencik, though, says that he doesn’t want to hear it, that his plan is to keep Hernandez and make him the anchor for the team’s emerging rotation. I get that — the Mariners’ young starting pitchers, if everything breaks right, might rank among the best in the game in two or three years. But here’s the problem: Hernandez, 25, is under contract only through 2014. And if the Mariners don’ t turn it around during that time, he will not stay in Seattle out of the goodness of his heart. He’ll be gone. As Yankees GM Brian Cashman advised reporters last season when judging A.J. Burnett, it’s time for the Mariners to “smoke the objective pipe.” As the Rays have shown in the AL East, the only way to compete with high-revenue behemoths is to assemble a large number of high-end young players and have them hit at once. That was the Padres’ motivation for trading Latos, the Royals’ motivation for trading Zack Greinke. Granted, Hernandez is at a different level. Granted, the M’s can support much higher payrolls. But why not commit fully to rebuilding? OK, Jack, your turn: “I still say, as I’ve said all along, we’ve still got the best young pitcher in the game, and that’s pretty darned good,” Zduriencik said, referring to Hernandez. “One thing we have here — what we’re really excited about — is young pitching. You take Felix and (Michael) Pineda. We think James Paxton is going to be really good. We’ll give him a chance in spring training. Same with (Danny) Hultzen. We’ve got a young kid, Taijuan Walker, who might be the best of them all. Erasmo Ramirez . . . “We’re a year or less from having some of these really good arms sitting on our ballclub. It’s kind of what we’re hanging our hats on right now. All of us are excited about what’s going to happen in the next year or two.” And Jack, I’d be right there with you, if only the Mariners could hit. The M’s last season scored 556 runs, ranking last in the majors for the second straight year. The Padres — playing in cavernous Petco Park, without the benefit of a DH, in their first season without Adrian Gonzalez — scored 593. Even if the Mariners could get Fielder — and I’m highly skeptical that he would choose them over a team with a more realistic chance of contending soon — how much of a difference would he actually make? The M’s seem to believe that the effect would be exponential, that they would get not just Fielder’s 120 RBI, but benefit from his ripple effect throughout the lineup. Fielder would absorb the middle-of-the-order pressure. Younger hitters such as Mike Carp, Justin Smoak and Kyle Seager would be free to be themselves. Makes sense in theory, but Fielder might walk 200 times in such a lineup. Opponents would have little incentive to pitch to him, preferring to attack younger hitters instead. More to the point, what happens if the M’s don’t get Fielder? Catcher John Jaso currently stands as their big addition. And it’s too late in the offseason for them to make other moves of consequence. No, better to go the other way. Not all of the Mariners’ young pitchers and hitters are going to develop in the way that club officials anticipate. The more prospects a team collects, the greater the chances that it will succeed. Zduriencik had the right idea last summer, sacrificing wins to acquire a strong return for right-hander Doug Fister and a lesser one for lefty Erik Bedard. Now Jack Z should go to the Yankees and demand essentially the same package I suggested last March — catcher Jesus Montero, infielder Eduardo Nunez and right-hander Ivan Nova plus righty Dellin Betances or lefty Manny Banuelos. Maybe the Yankees wouldn’t budge on Nova, who went 16-4 with a 3.70 ERA last season. Fine, tell them to include two different youngsters, make it a 5-for-1. For King Felix, the Yankees would part waters, move mountains and — surprise! — blow past the dreaded luxury-tax threshold yet again. Jack? “You get people who will throw it out there: ‘Don’t forget, if you ever want to do something (with Hernandez), let me know,’” Zduriencik said, without mentioning the Yankees specifically. “It’s more of an inquiry than anything else . . . People are courteous. They understand where we stand. We’ve been pretty strong on our desire to keep him here.” I know, Jack, I know. We’ll talk again soon. --- 不过水手部落格(USS Mariner/Prospect Insider) 普遍的看法好像是比较想用Pineda当交易筹码就是了 --



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1F:→ Tukiyomi:又要钓鱼了 12/29 13:40
2F:推 arsia:卖出去 等一朗退休 水手还要卖谁的脸 12/29 13:41
3F:推 okinawa8: Ackley: 12/29 13:43
4F:→ buttery:可以学隔壁的运动家养族谱,反正目前看来KING到这个合约结 12/29 13:44
5F:→ buttery:束前,没有机会进季後赛,等真的合约结束,应该也会想进FA 12/29 13:46
6F:推 four5:又来了 zzzz........ 12/29 13:48
7F:→ abc12812:Felix明年开始可就不便宜了,我不觉得交易是很离谱的想法 12/29 13:58
8F:→ kennyone:trade King Felix... you think too much..... 12/29 14:00
9F:推 tunababy:那不是一般的不便宜...所以交易困难度很高... 12/29 14:05
10F:推 sexyfunny:现今人不冲一下吗?虽然这必定会把Montero交易出去 12/29 14:09
11F:→ sexyfunny: 金 12/29 14:09
12F:推 mika0120:借转水兵版 12/29 14:16



※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc)
※ 转录者: mika0120 (111.242.7.172), 时间: 12/29/2011 14:16:33
13F:→ mika0120:好久没消息了 12/29 14:16
14F:推 aaa80437: 恩... 12/29 14:31
15F:推 andynanpa:Ken Rosenthal也算是有名的交易名嘴了, 听听就好, 不然 12/29 16:15
16F:→ andynanpa:也蛮闲的(  ̄ c ̄)y▂ξ 12/29 16:16
17F:推 th11211:真的无声无息...难道说没有消息就是最好的消息...? 12/29 16:52
18F:推 Epsilon:在重兵环伺的情况下,本来就一动不如一静。我们的状况不是 12/29 22:44
19F:→ Epsilon:签一两个FA或做一两个交易就可以变成能进季後赛。这时要是 12/29 22:45
20F:→ Epsilon:病急乱投医,两年後回过来看一定会後悔。猪头B教我们的事 12/29 22:46
21F:→ Epsilon:情还不够多吗? 12/29 22:46
22F:推 RedEyesAyu:确实猪头B的余毒伤害至深~不过现阶段什麽也不做,好像也 12/29 23:34
23F:→ RedEyesAyu:不太对呀>"< 虽然不敢奢望能进季後赛 但至少要有曙光QQ 12/29 23:35
24F:推 pasaword:在条子跟猴子疯狂砸钱的情况下 这两年水兵的确不要乱动 12/30 01:49
25F:→ pasaword:比较好... 12/30 01:49
26F:→ pasaword:现在最重要的应该是把小王吃下来等农场打者长上来 12/30 01:50
27F:推 pasaword: 子 12/30 02:13
28F:推 Pennyjr:小王子不吃三年约,长约不好谈 12/30 09:06
29F:推 andynanpa:我的感觉刚好相反, 小王子愿意来的话, 6~7年的长约我们 12/30 10:55
30F:→ andynanpa:说真的也不是付不起(听说二老板有财务危机? 喔, 这个还 12/30 10:56
31F:→ andynanpa:好啦, 如果Larson真想脱手他的股份, 有个叫Paul Allen的 12/30 10:56
32F:→ andynanpa:家伙听说已经看我们家看很久了(  ̄ c ̄)y▂ξ), 我反而 12/30 10:57
33F:→ andynanpa:比较担心$先生抓着短约这优势给你开个啥80~90M/3这种鬼 12/30 10:58
34F:→ andynanpa:出来.....不过最新外电是$先生不会要短约, 应该会好办点 12/30 10:58
35F:推 ryvius0723:M$不出手 给Paul Allen也可以XD 12/30 12:43
36F:推 stevenchiang:Paul Allen 是拓荒者的那个老板吗? 12/30 12:50
37F:推 andynanpa:对啊, 话说这个钱多到花不完的老兄几乎包办整个西北地区 12/30 13:59
38F:→ andynanpa:的职业运动(阿拓啦, 海鹰啦, 还有足球), 想当然尔会对我 12/30 14:00
39F:→ andynanpa:们家有兴趣也不是怪事. 不过昨天和网友聊天有说到, 如果 12/30 14:00
40F:→ andynanpa:他真变我们老板我看西雅图最好先办个大拜拜, 阿拓这几年 12/30 14:01
41F:→ andynanpa:算是衰到极点了(咦? 我们家也是? 那根本是绝配啊XD) 12/30 14:02
42F:推 pasaword:阿拓的C没一个健康的 - - 所以会负负得正? XD 12/30 18:02







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