http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/8212 2004年退休的Edgar，今年首度获得名人堂提名资格 在BBWAA的投票中获得了36.2%的票数 虽然无法进入名人堂，但至少保有继续挑战的资格 关於Edgar究竟能不能进入名人堂，有着许多的争论 这篇文章讨论支持与反对Edgar进名人堂的论点 以下是简单翻译，有误请指正 POLL: Edgar Martinez and the Hall of Fame Posted by Andy on September 14, 2010 Edgar Martinez was signed by the Seattle Mariners as an amateur free agent in 1982 and played in 18 seasons in the majors with the team. Although he started off as a third baseman, by 1993 Martinez appeared more often as a DH and starting in 1995 was a full-time DH for the next 10 seasons. Edgar在1982年被水兵签下，一开始以三垒手出赛，1993年大多以DH上场，1995年起便以 专职DH的身份打完接下来10季的比赛。 Martinez won 2 batting titles, led the league in OBP 3 times, and was a 7-time All-Star. He finished with a .418 career OBP, good for 22nd all-time. 'Gar also led the league in doubles twice, RBI once, and even runs scored once. Edgar拿过2次打击王，3次上垒率王，7次入选全明星赛。他的生涯上垒率高达.418， 在史上排名第22。此外他还拿过2次2B王，1次打点王，及1次得分王。 There are two big knocks against Martinez--he was as slow as molasses and rarely played the field. I'm not sure we can blame Martinez for being a DH, but the fact that he wasn't good enough to contribute in the field has to count against him somewhat from a flexibility perspective. 在Edgar进入名人堂的路上有两块大石头--他跑得实在有够慢，而且他很少在场上守备。 Click through and let's discuss his HOF credentials. 让我们讨论有关Edgar的名人堂资格吧。 For Edgar Martinez in the Hall of Fame: 支持Edgar入选名人堂的理由: ．As mentioned above, Martinez has currently 22nd in career OBP. This outs him just behind Mickey Mantle and Frank Thomas and just ahead of Stan Musial and Wade Boggs. Martinez often doesn't get mentioned when the game's best hitters are listed, but make no mistake about it...this guy is way, way up there. Edgar的生涯上垒率是史上第22，仅次於Mickey Mantle与重伤害。虽然人们在讨论最佳 打者时常会忽略Edgar，但毫无疑问的，他是个很棒的打者。 ．He even cracks the top 100 in batting average, a list dominated by long-deceased players. He's also 70th in slugging percentage and 35th in OPS. Even his OPS+ is 43rd. So this guy was not a product of the high-offense era he played in. His offensive numbers come out as fantastic no matter how you look at them. 在几乎都被上古神兽占据的史上打击率前百名单上，Edgar居然能在里面拥有一席之地。 Edgar同时在SLG排行史上第70，而OPS则排行第35，连OPS+都能排第43。因此这家伙并非 只是强打年代的产物，而是货真价实的强力打者。 ．Martinez's career WAR is 67.2, which is 69th among position players. However, keep in mind that he rarely played the field. Had he been drafted by an NL team and forced to play 3B (probably switching to 1B pretty quickly) he might have racked up a big negative fielding runs total. Price Fielder springs to mind as a possible comparison, and he's already got -40 fielding runs. That means that perhaps Martinez could have had -100 fielding runs for his career, which would have dropped his RAR from 688 to 588 and dropped his WAR ranking down to something more like 105th all-time. I'm not saying we necessarily need to apply this penalty to Martinez, but we at least need to recognize that the defensive part of his game was very limited, which gave the Mariners less roster flexibility than they might have otherwise had. Edgar的生涯WAR是67.2，在同位置选手中排行第69。但注意一点--Edgar很少上场守备。 假如他被国联的球队选到，也许他会被要求守3B，也许很快就换到1B，因而得到满大的 守备负分。若与小王子比较，小王子目前已经累积-40的守备分数，这表示若Edgar下场 守备，也许会拿到-100的生涯守备分数，这将让他的RAR掉到588，且让他的WAR掉到史上 第105名。当然我们不能因此而扣掉他的分数，但我们至少必须记得他在守备上的贡献相 当有限。 ．Martinez crushed the ball in 4 ALDS series to the tune of 7 HR and 20 RBI in 17 games. Edgar在4次ALDS中的表现只能用鬼神形容--17场比赛击出7HR，20RBI。 ．Highest OPS+, 1990-present, minimum 5000 plate appearances: Rk Player OPS+ PA From To 1 Barry Bonds 195 10218 1990 2007 2 Albert Pujols 171 6703 2001 2010 3 Mark McGwire 170 5739 1990 2001 4 Frank Thomas 156 10074 1990 2008 5 Manny Ramirez 155 9710 1993 2010 6 Jeff Bagwell 149 9431 1991 2005 7 Edgar Martinez 149 8392 1990 2004 8 Jim Thome 147 9769 1991 2010 9 Alex Rodriguez 146 10120 1994 2010 10 Albert Belle 146 6439 1990 2000 Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used Generated 9/13/2010. 在1990年後，5000PA以上的球员中，Edgar的OPS+排名第7。 ．44.1 career Win Probability Added (44th all-time) Edgar的生涯WPA在史上排行第44。 Against Edgar Martinez in the Hall of Fame: 反对Edgar入选的理由: ．As mentioned, Martinez was a really slow baserunner. From his baserunning stats, we see that he took the extra base just 33%. From 1990 to 2004, the AL average was 43%. (I figured that out by collecting numbers from pages like this.) This explains in part why he had such a high OBP but averaged "only" 96 runs scored per 162 games. (I am nitpicking a bit here...) Among guys with a similar OBP, Boggs averaged 100 runs per 162 games, Greenberg 122, Ott 110, and Musial 104. Martinez's total is really quite low, especially considered that he played during a high-offense period, although the fact that he hit 4th and 5th a lot (and wasn't followed by the best hitters, necessarily) may have a lot to do with this as well. 如同前面提到的，Edgar跑得实在太慢了。他的extra base只有33%，在1990-2004这段期 间的美联extra base平均则是43%。这解释了为什麽他的OBP这麽高，但平均每162场比赛 他只能得96分。与他有类似OBP的选手，得分都比他多。Edgar得分实在太少了，虽然这 可能跟他大多打四五棒，而後面又缺乏能送他回家的打者有关。 ．Martinez got a lot of MVP votes in one year (1995, finished 3rd) and a smattering in other seasons. He deserved the MVP in 1995 but apparently didn't get much respect around the league. Edgar在1995的MVP竞争中拿到第三，其他年代则都拿到分散的票数。他在1995年的成绩 的确够资格拿MVP，但他没拿到，显示当时大家并不够喜欢他。 ．As well as he hit in the ALDS, he hit poorly in the ALCS. In those 17 games he managed just 1 HR and 4 RBI with a .156 BA. Martinez helped put the Mariners franchise on the map with winning seasons and playoff appearances, but is also partly responsible for them not yet making the World Series. 他在ALDS打得很好没错，但在ALCS却打得有够烂--17场出赛只击出1HR，4RBI，打击率只 有.156。Edgar帮助水兵在季赛获胜并赢得季後赛资格，却无法帮助水兵拿到世界大赛的 门票。 ．His most similar players: Will Clark (902) Todd Helton (888) John Olerud (885) Moises Alou (879) Bobby Abreu (862) Bernie Williams (860) Bob Johnson (857) Paul O'Neill (852) Ellis Burks (850) Orlando Cepeda (840) * 与他相似的打者中只有Cepeda进入名人堂 ．Did I mention he was primarily a DH? 我提过他是个DH了吧? -- Zu jeder Zeit, an jeder Ort bleibt das Tun der Menschen das gleiche. --Legend of the Galactic Heroes --

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