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https://tinyurl.com/y59nj8px ================================= Man City finally get their man - from Fred, Jorginho & De Jong to "new Busquets" Rodri Sam Lee ================================= The Premier League champions have not had it all their own way in their pursuit of a Fernandinho replacement but have now landed a priority target Manchester City have finally got their man. Well, not the man they were hoping to sign 18 months ago, nor the one 12 months ago, nor the one six months ago, but in Rodri they have finally signed a deep-lying midfielder who ticks the boxes necessary to play in a Pep Guardiola team. There have been a few of those in the past couple of years, and not just the ones City made firm attempts to buy. (不负责大意乱翻): 18个月前Rodri并不是曼城最先要找的Fernandinho接班人~ 12个月前也不是~ 甚至6个月前也不是~~ Rodri has long been tipped as the heir to Sergio Busquets. Given it was Guardiola who promoted Busquets to the Barcelona first team and launched his top-level career, it is easy to imagine his successor slotting seamlessly into this City project. The 23-year-old has proven himself adept at the defensive side of the game, partially thanks to playing for Diego Simeone's Atletico Madrid, while his short, fast passing with both feet will help City build attacks efficiently – although perhaps the range of passing has not been used to its full potential in Simeone's safety-first approach. But it is inevitable that City have struggled to find somebody with the exact qualities that make them ready to compete with and eventually replace Fernandinho – and not just because of setbacks in the transfer market. The Brazilian has blossomed into something of a unique midfielder, one who is as capable of playing Guardiola-beloved passes as he is of making tackles and interceptions – and, for good measure, winning headers. In the past two years, City have watched and approached several midielders who they believed ticked some of those boxes and could be coached to tick the rest. 乱七八糟大意: 1.Busquets过去是Pep提拔且爱用的防中/堕後中场 而Rodri在风格上有那麽一些像Busquets (但Rodri觉得自己更像Fernandinho 这点我同意 因为他在马竞有打出凶狠俐落的防守 ---这是Fernandinho在曼城这麽珍贵的要素之一) (他要是预判也能修练到Fernan那麽好~~ 就真的太超值了) 2. Fernandinho在曼城是很特殊的(攻守关键我就不多说了) 所以曼城过去几年找他的接班人找得很头痛很正常 They tried to sign Fred from Shakhtar Donetsk in January 2018 after identifying some of the qualities they were looking for; specifically, his eye for a pass (especially long-range), his physicality and his energetic approach. In Ukraine, he tended to make more bursts forward than would have been expected at the Etihad Stadium, but that was something that City planned to change. In the end, that didn't matter, because Manchester United came onto the scene and City started to look elsewhere. In the event, while Fred did not show an awful lot in his first season at Old Trafford, he was used in more of a reserved role, hinting at the kind of role City would have asked of him. 曼城起先想找Fred (这个大家都知道~~当初可是大家期待了不少了呢 XDD) (我个人认为主因是 1. 他和Ferna一样都是Donetsk矿工养出来打出名号的 会这麽期望他自然有希望他拷贝前辈的足迹的想法 2. 他的体能不错;当时在矿工担任很活跃的角色 传球能力当时也表现很出色 实际上曼城刚好在欧冠小组分到和矿工同一组 简直就是现场验货 XDD 当时对Fred的小小疑虑就是防守是不是也能在曼城练到像Fernan一样? 事後发现他跑去曼联真是一件好事 XDD 因为他的防守观念其实不够好(先不讲身体素质,就光说脑子里装的意识) 而强项攻击和输送在曼联也没踢出来~~~ 这笔交易当初被Mourinho拦掉我可是相当不爽, 因为我觉得Fernandinho的轮换者对曼城欧冠和联赛双线影响很巨大; 结果现在我看到Fred在曼联都想笑出来 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD (不过认真说我觉得说不定Solskjaer会找到Fred的使用说明书 也许下一季他就翻身了也说不定~) City quickly moved on, and while they had a close look at Lyon's Tanguy Nmdobele – still a relative unknown at the time – they made a serious bid to get Jorginho. Much like with Rodri, they had pretty much planned for his arrival as early as April 2018. They loved how the Italian was the playmaker in Maurizio Sarri's team, which twice gave City a tough time in the Champions League during 2017-18, and believed he would take them on to the next level, particularly in the Champions League. Jorginho is not a physical defensive midfielder like Fred or Fernandinho, but his strengths – chiefly the organisation of his team-mates and his ability to spot and execute a wide range of passes – convinced Guardiola that he would be an ideal fit. While Fernandinho is always on hand to put out fires, the idea was that Jorginho's organisation would mean fewer fires to be put out in the first place. They also believed Jorginho would be good enough in the air to play at the back of midfield, despite his relatively short height, but that suddenly all became irrelevant – along with his verbal agreement with City, his desire to play for Guardiola and the fact Napoli even agreed to a transfer fee. In mid-July, the Serie A side refused to sanction a move, insisting instead that he go to Chelsea as part of the compensation package that took Sarri to Stamford Bridge. Had City met Napoli's demands in May or June, the Sarri factor would not have come into play, but they had decided on their valuation and stuck to it, opening the door for rival bids, as has happened previously. 好了, 接下来就是曼城想找Jorginho (这个也让大家当时期待很多~~~) (为什麽? 其实最近几年各位可以发现曼城喜欢现场验货找球员 XDD 像目前阵中的灵魂人物Bernarndo Silva就是欧冠验货发现是超级真货 所以赶快盘过来 XDD 同样是Monaco队友的Mendy 题外话,Mendy的进攻属性是有打出来,缺陷是玻璃太严重 所以这不能怪高层 这个和假如曼城误买了Fred应该是不同性质的问题) Jorginho当时在拿坡里确实让曼城在欧冠踢得辛苦 (赢得不轻松,我还记得Kun在客场达成曼城射手王生涯成就~~~) 其实想买Jorginho不能说错 现场验货当然有现场的魅力和体验 XDD (至少买家会觉得买到水货机率降低) 但我发现主要是联赛的速度问题----英超实在节奏太快了 容不得Jorginho思考出球 这也是我上一季发现Jorginho在CHELSEA的问题-- 一旦被英超疯狗流逼抢伺候,他优秀的出球能力就打了折扣 (其实事後马後炮来看Jorginho应该要选择来曼城对他才最好~~ 因为曼城全队的进攻站位/走位被Guardiola操到一种独步英超其他球队的体系运转, 这可以减低Jorginho出球上的压力, 总的来说,他当初没选曼城, 就失去了一个最适合他的英超球队的机会 (文章中提到这是要弥补Sarri转投Chelsea的补偿: 但我觉得如果球员坚持一点其实可以克服的) 此时如果单单来看, 曼城错过Jorginho也有点可惜~ 但他也不是Fernandinho那类的中场, 严格来说万一後防失火出包 他的救火作用没有Ferna那麽大~~~ (Sam Lee的看法是他出球能力更棒,所以曼城会更少後防失火 我不这麽认为(我同意他说的Jorginho出球比Ferna还优秀~ 但曼城後防出包某种程度就是体系的特色问题---- 当你踢传控你就是要冒这个风险: 所以才签了Walker和对手比赛跑拦截 才希望有新鲜的肉体延续Ferna过去屡屡回追禁区救险的任务 才要全队在丢球之後立刻压迫反抢或是用犯规马上中断对手反击机会) 现在才比较发现Ferna在曼城的出球处理节奏真的是被淬链出来 XDD (很多好的处理看起来想都没有想是因为长期的浸润适应) That left City empty-handed and under-prepared. Despite red-herring links to Mateo Kovacic and Mario Lemina, they had no real Plan B in place. Ndombele was looked at again, as was Wolves' Ruben Neves, but neither were obtainable. 这几个目标我都有印象 XDDD Ndombele传了也一阵子 而且又是现场验货 XDD 因为曼城在隔年的欧冠小组和Lyon同一组 Enter Frenkie De Jong. The Dutchman had been on the radar of essentially every top club in Europe for a long time, but City really ramped up their efforts to sign him last autumn. At this point, it became hard to ascertain exactly what City wanted from their Fernandinho heir. Did they want a defensive player they could teach to pass or a passer they could teach to defend? When Guardiola first arrived back in 2016 he kept an eye on Julian Weigl, but soon realised that he was not physical enough to do what Fernandinho does. And, at the start of the season, Ilkay Gundogan did not look entirely comfortable with the dirty side of the game, either, so physicality was on the agenda when it came to new players. And while De Jong is more of a Jorginho or a Neves than a Fred or Ndombele, the 22-year-old was deemed so good, such a generational talent, that City were willing to sign him anyway. They imagined his willingness to receive the ball on the edge of the box, turn and either pass or dribble the ball up the pitch. They loved how, despite his stature, he always seemed to be in the right place to win the ball back. For a while, City thought they had him. In fact, officials at Barcelona felt the advances made by Blues sporting director Txiki Begiristain in September and October last year made it extremely difficult for any other club to get a look in. Extremely difficult, but not impossible. After De Jong started to deliberate, Barcelona eventually made a major push of their own, sending a delegation to Amsterdam with the goal of persuading De Jong to make the move to Camp Nou. As well as the lure of playing with Lionel Messi, they offered an after-tax salary, including bonuses, of over €300,000 per week, plus €5m to the agent, for his services. 这里一路提到了AJAX的小将de Jong~~ 作者Sam Lee提出了一个很有趣但我觉得非常关键的问题: ==================================================== 当曼城寻找Fernandinho的接班人时 他们到底想要的是一个防守很好的进攻者, 还是进攻能力很棒的防守中场? ==================================================== 这个看起来是吹毛求疵的问题其实反映里面的建构哲学 特别曼城的体系又那麽与众不同 (我个人的想法从Rodri身上我发觉是: "进攻能力很棒的防守中场" 由於曼城体系的种种(细节请参之前"Guardiola式曼城如何称霸英格兰"一系列文章) 堕後中场这个位置变成是曼城的攻守枢纽,重中之重 必须要用阅读比赛能力最棒的那一等级的球员来作出反应 (Busquets就是这一点出色) 所以他的思考还是要是防守中场---不是要你用身体肉搏去回应英超肌肉流 而是要你用头脑然後在场上很机敏的作决定: 你要做什麽让曼城这台进攻机器在防守上威胁降到最低? 然後後场出球的时後,你和两个中卫,两个边後卫,还有门将Ederson 要怎麽一起合作把球送到前场?) (所以我这里提前下结论(我自己的版本) 曼城在寻找Ferna接班人的过程也没有很清楚到底要的是进攻好的DMF 还是防守好的CMF/AMF(passer) 只是用目标导向来想:要有Pep想要的出球能力 同时要担任攻防枢纽 现在回想以攻守平衡来看Rodri才是平衡的选择 (运气不错在这里 XD) 18-19联赛在Ferna受伤的时後用Gundogan顶没被爆很关键的一点是 Bernarndo实在他妈的太认真给力在跑在帮忙防守~~ 这不能是常态!!!!) 而我认为F. de Jong是一个很聪明, "防守很好的传球/进攻者" 所以他选择去巴萨我也觉得除了巴萨肯给那麽诚意的待遇 他的选择非常合理~~~!!!! (他去只要先防守"分担"Busquets而不是马上取代Busquets, 相反的他的活力也能补充年纪逐渐大的Rakitic) 文章也有提到曼城非常靠近签下de Jong (其实de Jong也很适合曼城, 至少他比Gudogan硬,比Jorginho对抗性更强! 一路看下来 de Jong这个选择可能是最合理的(先不谈Rodri,因为这时候还没想到他)) That left City shocked and Guardiola annoyed. After three near misses in the space of a year, the pressure ramped up on Begiristain, who had to go back to the market yet again and find somebody who not only ticked enough boxes, but would be available for the kind of fee City wanted to spend. For all of their money, their club record fee is 'only' £60m. When it is put like that, it seems inevitable that Rodri was the man they turned to. Begiristain was encouraged just as much by the midfielder's afforable release clause as his defensive contribution, height and improvable passing ability, and the usual approaches were made to ascertain whether he would want to join. A long-term admirer of Guardiola's Barca, that was never going to be too much of an issue. In April, a year on from when they put Jorginho's move in place, City had everything prepared to sign Rodri. One insider had said it was "very, very done". Alarm bells rang last month, then, when the player said he needed some time to think about his future. Suddenly, more red-herring City targets appeared, this time with the goal of hurrying Rodri into making the right decision. They were Ndombele and Marcos Llorente – handily, a former target and the man that Atleti themselves had lined up to replace Rodri. In truth, City would have been back to square one again, and they not only had to worry about Ateti's attempts to sign Rodri to a new contract but Bayern Munich's concrete interest; their sporting director, Hasan Salihamidzic, met the player's agent in Madrid in May. In the end, Rodri stuck to his original decision, perhaps aided by a phonecall from Guardiola at the start of June. In the following days, he informed Simeone that he had decided to leave, and that he would join City. With the release clause set in stone – just like Aymeric Laporte's in 2018 – City could relax, to an extent. They allowed Rodri to enjoy his holiday, despite allowing Dani Alves to do so when he went back on his agreement and moved to Paris Saint-Germain, and triggered the clause when he returned. He may not be the kind of superstar signing that would help Puma, City's new sponsors, flog a million extra shirts across the globe, but he may just be one of the most important signings in this Guardiola era. City have done some of the hard work by bringing him to the club in the firstplace; now they have to ensure he ticks all the boxes. (全文完) (大意): 拜仁也差点也拦胡, 但最後Guardiola在六月给Rodri的一通电话也许奏效 (球员接到这种讯息会晓得自己想在旗下效力的主教练也会非常重视自己) 拜仁体育总监Salihamidzic和Rodri的经纪人碰面我一点不讶异 ---拜仁之前就用过优质的西班牙後腰Javi Martinez (和Rodri同样也是1.9米以上的高大DMF) 总之, 最後总算Rodrigo Hernandez顺利来了 Sam Lee也认为这很可能是Guardiola时代的曼城最重要的一笔签约 (我觉得很有可能; 中轴Pep签约5人众请参阅之前我胡言乱语的文章 XDD 总之目前球队看起来未来的中轴将会以Guardiola签下的这5个球员 (Bernardo,Rodri,Laporte,Ederson,Jesus) 加上原先有的De Bruyne和Sterling为绝对主力 (以及未来之星Phil Foden) (Aguero,Ferna,David Silva都被我列为老将-无敌学长所以没提到 XDD) (Sane还要再观察一个球季吧...) (Mahrez,Stones,Walker也会是要角) 然後, 左後卫有Zinchenko和Angelino了 Mendy真的该振作了 XDD =============================== 这篇拉哩拉杂打完了 然後不想看我废话的 可以参阅下一篇 XDDDDDDDDDDD 虎扑上有Sam Lee文章的大略中译 --



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1F:推 BrandonRoy: 推推 07/09 15:10
2F:推 CHASHOW: 推认真分析人员补强~开始对Rodri寄予厚望了! 07/09 16:17
3F:推 BSH99: Sane也是瓜要的,只是年轻人有时就是太情绪容易有撞墙期有 07/09 19:25
4F:→ BSH99: ,等他突破後我觉得不会比490差 07/09 19:25
5F:推 singzion333: 推推!经U大一讲,真的很有可能球队也不确定继任者 07/10 00:00
6F:→ singzion333: 该走哪个路术,好险今年拿到了Rodri! 07/10 00:01
7F:推 Fernandez05: 拜仁迷好想要Rodri啊 但来曼城可能更适合 07/10 01:12
8F:推 a89512ro: 下季又是让人期待! 07/10 01:46
9F:推 bryant780417: 推推 07/10 11:30







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