作者kirimaru73 (雾丸)
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标题Re: [闲聊] 你现在是车了
时间Thu Feb 24 13:02:04 2022
小孩开基定的状态有确定答案了
http://www.cranialinsertion.com/article/3726
Q: I activate Gideon Jura's 0 ability and enchant him with Swift
Reconfiguration to turn him into a Vehicle. If I use his 0 ability on a later
turn, what does he turn into?
A: Aha, a question about layers! The interesting layer to focus on is layer
4, where all the type-changing goodness is happening. We have the effect from
Swift Reconfiguration and Gideon Jura's own effect, and the two effects
aren't dependent on one another, so we apply them in timestamp order. Swift
Reconfiguration changes his type and subtype to Artifact — Vehicle, and
nothing else.
Gideon's own effect turns him into a Human Soldier creature
that's still a planeswalker, but that "still a planeswalker" bit actually
just means "in addition to whatever types and subtypes he has", so it doesn't
turn him back into a planeswalker. The resulting type line is Artifact
Creature — Human Soldier Vehicle, which is a bit odd, but perfectly legal.
基定上面的「仍然是旅法师」并不是字面上的意思
他的意思就是「仍然是原本的类别」，不多不少，没有其它
所以如果变身前基定已经不是旅法师，变身後也不会是旅法师
其实我个人觉得这种规则不太好，因为100个人里面应该有101个人会想要照字面解释
但是现在的规则并没有转弯空间，一定要照「仍然是原本的类别」来运作
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1F：推 shadowblade: 写成仍然具原本类别比较不会被误解 02/24 13:22
2F：→ kirimaru73: 这边有个障碍，就是玩家不太喜欢看到「类别」这种官话 02/24 13:36
3F：→ kirimaru73: 除非像塔莫耶夫或是躁狂这种不得已，否则会尽量少写 02/24 13:37
4F：→ TED781120: MTG的叙述上「此卡对OO造成X点伤害」都要写成「~卡名~ 02/24 13:45
5F：→ TED781120: 对OO造成X点伤害」也算是我一直比较不能理解的部分。 02/24 13:45
6F：→ TED781120: 刚玩的时候我还在想，如果我场上有四个狰狞熔岩术士， 02/24 13:46
7F：→ TED781120: 是不是横置一个就能打八点。 02/24 13:46
8F：→ buffalobill: 就像一些很欠扁的VTuber也会用名字代替「我」说话 02/24 14:13
9F：→ kirimaru73: 戳戳兵突然变得讨厌了起来 02/24 15:30
11F：→ kirimaru73: 我高中打牌时曾经有同学出了两只来防守 我一打过去就 02/24 15:41
12F：→ kirimaru73: 看到两坨9/9的条状物张牙舞尾 难攻不落 02/24 15:42
13F：→ kirimaru73: 虽然我觉得怪怪的但也没把握所以就让他这样玩了 02/24 15:42
14F：推 shadowblade: 有些算旧式习惯写法保留下来的吧,现在已经改掉不少了 02/24 17:01
15F：推 Ayukawayen: 事实上是 不因此失去鹏洛客类别 的意思 02/25 16:49
16F：→ kirimaru73: 这还是会有歧异，例如会不会因此失去神器类别？ 02/25 17:37
17F：→ kirimaru73: 答案是不会，因为「仍然是旅法师」有保留神器的含意 02/25 17:37
18F：→ kirimaru73: 但即使理解成「不失去旅法师类别」也无法交代神器方面 02/25 17:37
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