作者vigilante666 (vigilante666)
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标题Re: [情报] Rafael Devers to Giants
时间Mon Jun 16 11:02:21 2025
原文43
这篇主要分享Devers交易案的一些後续值得观察的点,有些可能几年後才会有结论,但是
都蛮有趣的。文章引用自MLB官网。
出处:
https://reurl.cc/Z4mk6V
5 takeaways from the shocking Devers deal
Rafael Devers … is a Giant? The Red Sox just … sent him away? This is the so
rt of deal that you don’t really see that much in baseball anymore: It almost
feels like more of an NBA trade, doesn’t it? It sure had the shock of one. I
t’s one of those trades that makes your jaw drop. Though, like many great tra
des, the more you start to think about it … the more sense it kind of makes.
But it is a massive risk, really, for everyone involved. Here are five off-the
-cuff, back-of-napkin takeaways from one of the most unexpected, seemingly out
-of-nowhere baseball trades in many a moon.
虽然这笔交易并不是那麽完全地空穴来风,但是他发生得这麽快又酝酿地这麽保密还是让
蛮多人都吓一跳。但...今年看过Luka都可以被小犊交易後,真的有种看到啥交易都不觉
得
稀奇的心情了。总之或许以後还是需要花点时间习惯看Devers穿巨人球衣打球,把球都打
到右外野大墙後方的水里吧。
1) The Giants have their star.
巨人总算得到他们梦寐以求的球星了。
They went after Aaron Judge. They went after Shohei Ohtani. They went after Ca
rlos Correa (and briefly got him). And they fell short every time. The Giants
roster, really since the Buster Posey playing era ended, has felt like a bunch
of quality supporting players surrounding a void where a star was supposed to
be.
巨人追过法官,追过大谷,也追过Correa(并且炸胡短暂在一起过)。但他们似乎总是差
那麽临门一脚。自从Posey退休之後,总感觉巨人队总是充满着一堆绿叶球员,但就是少
了一个招牌球星。(这句是原文,无意引战。)
Well: That star is here now. (And it apparently took Posey to get him.) You ra
rely see stars of this caliber being traded, and you definitely never seem the
m traded when they’re as hot as Devers is right now. Devers is a fantastic hi
tter, and has been for quite a few years, but he is in fact better right now t
han he has ever been. He has put up the highest OPS-plus of his career (149),
his OBP is an all-time-best .401, he leads the AL in walks (56) and he has bee
n the rock of a Red Sox offense that has a lot of young players and is missing
their top offseason acquisition in Alex Bregman. He is an absolute stud, one
who is still only 28 years old. The Giants have been desperate for someone to
build around. He’s now here.
现在巨人总算得到他们想要的人了。(还是透过Posey才得到他的,巨星传承?)很少有
机会看到这种等级的球星在球季的这个时候被交易。今年Devers目前的产出其实比起他过
往的成绩都还要优秀,不管是OPS+、OBP、或是获得美联最多的保送都是如此。而且他才2
8,即将迈入巅峰的年纪,是巨人可以围绕建队的球星了。
2) That is a very expensive DH.
Devers是一个有点贵的DH。
That’s what he is, right? Right? The Giants just gave Matt Chapman a big cont
ract extension, so obviously third base is booked for years to come, and, well
, while the Giants certainly need a first baseman -- it’s Dominic Smith now a
fter LaMonte Wade Jr. was sent to Anaheim -- well, if you want to be the perso
n in the Giants front office to have that conversation with him on his first d
ay in town, please, feel free.
他目前就只是一个DH,对吧?巨人才刚给Chappy一个很大张的延长合约,看起来现在跟未
来的三垒应该都是交给他才对。尤其交易走Lamonte Wade Jr.之後,巨人其实蛮需要一个
一垒手的(现在是Dominic Smith在垫档...)但...如果你想要在Devers人来旧金山屁股
都
还没坐热的时候就开始跟他聊守一垒的事情的话,请便(?
For Devers’ current production, the $31.35 million he's getting paid is well
worth it. But will it be well worth it in 2033, which is when that contract fi
nally ends? When he’s in his late 30s? Now that Devers is locked into DH, he
’ll be there for a long, long time. This is what the Red Sox were worried abo
ut, with the positional issues the only reason they ever thought about trading
him in the first place. Those worries are now the Giants’.
以他现在的打击产出来看,他的年薪其实是匹配甚至是超值的。但等到2033的时候这个年
薪还是值得的吗?那时候的Devers已经37,尤其在他28的时候就已经只能窝在DH,你很难
不去担心这些。至少红袜就是这麽想的。但这些现在都已经是巨人要去烦恼的事情了。
3) The Red Sox better hope this doesn’t end up feeling like the Mookie trade.
红袜应该不希望看到这笔交易的结果跟当年他们送走木屐一样。
We might end up having “Is Rafael Devers on a Hall of Fame path?” discussion
s over the next few years, depending on how healthy he can stay, but if he doe
s end up making the Hall, well, it’s going to be pretty wild that the Red Sox
-- not the Marlins, not the Expos, the Red Sox -- traded away two future Hall
of Famers over a five-year stretch. Now, obviously, the circumstances are dif
ferent.
Devers将来会是一位名人堂球星吗?如果是的话,这蛮有可能是红袜在5年内连续交易走
两个名人堂球星。当然,时空背景是略有不同啦。
Betts is a better player, there are different people in charge, the Red Sox ha
ve certainly shown they’re willing to spend, and Devers didn’t exactly endea
r himself to the organization of late. But considering one of the reasons they
gave Devers such a big extension in 2023 was because of fan frustration that
they had traded Betts … well, shipping him away three years later has, how do
they say, bad optics.
木屐是一位更好更全面的球星(吧。红袜的管理层也不同,红袜虽然一直以来都是愿意花
钱的球队,但是近期发生的事情不得不让红袜高层开始思考Devers是否如他们原本所思考
的那样适合红袜。但红袜高层当初续约Devers的原因之一,就是因为当初送走木屐让很多
红袜球迷心生不满。虽然现在送走他,未必会比当初不续约还要更能够获得球迷谅解啦..
.
Also, what does this tell young Red Sox stars like Roman Anthony and Marcelo M
ayer? Are they going to get early extensions? Will they even want one? Will th
ey trust they will really stay if they do?
然後更重要的是,这笔交易传达了什麽样的讯息给Roman Anthony跟Marcelo Mayer这样的
新生代球员?他们会有机会获得提前的延长合约吗?或是他们会想要跟红袜签吗?如果他
们签了,他们真的觉得自己会在波士顿待很长一段时间吗?
4) Alex Cora just got a lot more pressure on himself.
Cora现在应该感到压力山大。
There is always a healthy discussion about what the job of a manager is in tod
ay’s analytical front office world. Are they just guys who make out the lineu
ps and talk to the press? Are they really in charge? How much power do they ac
tually have? There’s one thing everyone agrees is really important, though: R
unning a happy clubhouse. You know: managing. It might not have been Cora’s d
ecision to keep asking (or not asking) Devers to switch (and not switch) posit
ions, but you can make a good argument that it’s his job to massage the situa
tion in a way that does not have the team’s star player (who, again, is crush
ing the ball right now) at such odds with the front office that they trade him
away.
关於总仔的职责一直是一个没有定论且开放式回答的议题。他们是负责决定先发还有跟媒
体讲干话的人,还是他们是真的有决策权,他们到底在这支球队里面的话语权有多少,这
些都是因队而异的。但有一点是责无旁贷的:让休息室的气氛活络且良好。或许并不是Co
ra需要去跟Devers沟通改变守备位置的问题,但必须说他是可以让Devers跟红袜高层之间
沟通更顺畅的少数人选。
This has already been an up-and-down start for these Red Sox. We have seen thi
s front office and ownership group be, well, let’s say “tempestuous,” or ma
ybe “reactionary.” Cora has to figure out how to be the public face of the o
rganization, to show that he can run a happy clubhouse and to win … which he
’s now going to have to do without his best hitter.
Cora必须要知道如何去应对外界对於红袜的疑虑、批评、以及赞扬。但同时他也必须确保
休息室的氛围是好的,是能够让球队去赢下比赛的。现在Cora将要在失去队上最好球员的
情况下,尝试去完成这些任务。
5) This is already the trade of the Deadline. (Right?)
交易大限前不会出现比这个更有料的交易了吧?
I know a lot of people who thought the biggest name that would be moved at the
July 31 Trade Deadline would be Sandy Alcantara. Surprise! It’s the middle o
f June, and it’s tough to see how there could possibly be a bigger deal than
the one we just witnessed. (I mean, it would be a big deal if Jordan Hicks got
traded on his own, and I didn’t even bother mentioning his involvement in th
is trade until just now.) We’re going to spend so much time discussing trade
possibilities for the next few weeks, and in a fevered rush in the days leadin
g up to the Deadline. But how in the world are we going to top this? It’s sor
t of impossible to imagine. Then again: It was sort of impossible to imagine t
his trade too. And here we are.
应该一堆人原本都以为今年交易大限前被交易的big name应该就是鱼王Sandy Alcantara
了吧?但现在才六月中,你也很难想像有什麽会比交易Devers更有料的交易在今年的大限
前出现了。接下来几周本该是密集讨论各种交易可能性的时间,但到底要怎麽产生一笔更
猛更值得讨论的交易?但如果Devers(还有Luka)都可以被交易了的话还有什麽不可能的
勒?
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怪。
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1F:推 polanco: 在保密防谍这点真的有像 06/16 11:07
2F:推 DanielHudson: 巨人有可能真的只让Devers打DH到合约跑完吗?还是 06/16 12:19
3F:→ DanielHudson: 下个赛季开始转1B 06/16 12:19
4F:推 saiulbb: 如果去巨人,然後第一场就站一垒,这画面不知道看不看得 06/16 12:20
5F:→ saiulbb: 到XD 内心有点期待这样的剧场 06/16 12:20
6F:推 tigertiger: 2033搞不好这个约变廉价合约,大通膨时代06/16 12:21
7F:推 Yjizz: 确实 这神交易大概本季最值得一提的了06/16 12:26
8F:→ Diaw0803: 要气袜袜就是去巨人後练1B XD 06/16 12:34
9F:→ zxc906383: 你要他春训练1B 他不会有意见吧 06/16 12:35
10F:推 travis915117: 2033年已经是合约最後一年了 还要求他打出超值的成 06/16 12:42
11F:→ travis915117: 绩不会太苛刻吗XD 06/16 12:42
12F:推 mirrorlee: 其实没那麽惨啦 他自己都有说他可以去1B只是不能在球06/16 13:11
13F:→ mirrorlee: 季中这样干 所以如果他明年开始可以守1B 又能维持他现06/16 13:12
14F:→ mirrorlee: 在的打击表现 巨人根本赚烂06/16 13:12
15F:推 sam9595: 红袜最大的问题会是 省了那麽多钱 有把握抢到谁?06/16 13:45
16F:推 polanco: 省钱可以只是省钱啊06/16 13:47
17F:推 sam9595: 只省钱那就对整体战力没帮助 被球迷喷活该呀06/16 13:49
18F:推 c871111116: 他那访问整段看下来没多气氛吧==06/16 13:51
※ 编辑: vigilante666 (223.136.67.5 台湾), 06/16/2025 13:56:50
19F:推 Werth: 相当於红袜Hicks薪水全吃还换到两个新秀还行啊 06/16 14:07
20F:推 adad48362: 不好看啦 都可以这样搞一个自家培养出来的球星了 以後 06/16 14:25
21F:→ adad48362: 要抢FA会变非常困难 btw感觉应该很快可以看到他上mooki 06/16 14:25
22F:→ adad48362: e的podcast XD 06/16 14:25
23F:推 godswd: 怎麽会有在巨人终老的想法,这时代一定还有下家的 06/16 15:40
24F:→ mirrorlee: 他一定不可能在巨人终老的 大约偏偏没有拒绝交易的的条 06/16 16:30
25F:→ mirrorlee: 款 可以想像生涯末期会四处流浪 06/16 16:30
26F:推 whhw: 推 06/16 23:58