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标题[外电] 水手总管Dipoto到底是做的好还是不好?
时间Fri Sep 1 16:20:58 2017
来源: The Seattle Times
网址:
http://tinyurl.com/y9goyz65
Mariners’ roster has changed under Jerry Dipoto, but is it better?
水手总管Dipoto到底是做的好还是不好?
He trades incessantly, relentlessly — perhaps even obsessively.
他不停地交易,冷血的地交易--甚至是执念般地交易。
In the past 23 months, he has made more deals than anyone in Major League
Baseball.
在过去23个月里,他交易的数量比大联盟里面的任何一个总管都要来的多。
Nearly two years after becoming the Mariners’ general manager, Jerry Dipoto
remains the game’s most entertaining executive.
在成为西雅图水手总管近两年,Jerry Dipoto成为联盟最有娱乐性的执行者。
One question, though: Has he actually made this team better?
但是,有个问题: 他有把水手队变得比较好吗?
It’s a fair query given how the M’s just lost their fifth consecutive game
and sit at 66-68 for the season. And it’s especially fair given how that
defeat came on the same day as another Dipoto trade.
在水手队连输五场,战绩变成66-68後,大家有这个问题一点都不过分,更何况那是在
Dipoto又完成一场交易的同一天发生,有这样的问题一点都不过份。
Hours before the Orioles’ 8-7 win over the M’s on Wednesday, Seattle
acquired right-handed starting pitcher Mike Leake, $17 million and
international bonus-pool money from St. Louis for minor-league infielder
Rayder Ascanio. Lots of moving parts on that deal — but the needle wasn’t
one of them.
在西雅图星期三7-8输给金莺後,西雅图水手从红雀队拿到右投先发Mike Leake,拿到了
1700万镁的补偿,以及国际签约金,水手把小联盟内野手Rayder Ascanio交易到红雀。
很多的球员跟细节在这场交易发生,但是却没有拿到需要的。
In Leake — who will be under club control through 2021 — Seattle gets a
starter that epitomizes average. The 29-year-old has a 4.02 career ERA and
was at 4.21 this season before the Cardinals shipped him and his $55 million
contract out.
在Leake的交易: 水手球团拥有他的合约到2021年,有个平均水准的先发,Leake现在29岁
,生涯ERA4.02,在红雀的这年ERA是4.21,与红雀的原合约总额有5500万。
So will it pay off for the M’s? Well, based on the trades Dipoto has made
since he got here, the answer is as simple as heads or tails.
这交易对水手来说划算吗? 呃,从Dipoto来到西雅图所做的交易结果来看,答案大概会是
跟猜硬币正反面的机率差不多。
Take a move such as dealing pitcher Nate Karns for Jarrod Dyson, and it’s
hard to think Seattle didn’t win. Injuries have limited Karns to just eight
starts this season, and Dyson has dominated the outfield and base paths for
Seattle, racking up a 2.2 WAR in the process.
就拿把Nate Karns换Jarrod Dyson这笔交易来说好了,很难不说这笔交易西雅图有赚到。
Karns有伤,本季只投了8场先发;Dyson在外野表现杰出,WAR有2.2。
But then you look at how the Mariners got Karns in the first place — trading
Logan Morrison, Brad Miller and Danny Farquahar for him, C.J. Riefenhauser
and Boog Powell last year — and it doesn’t look so productive.
但是若去看去年水手怎麽拿到Karns的--他们把Logan Morrison,Brad Miller,跟Danny
Farquahar换走,拿回Karns, CJ Riefenhauser跟Boog Powell--这笔交易看起来就不怎样
了。
Morrison has 32 home runs for the Rays this year. Miller had 30 for them last
year (although his numbers are way down this season). Riefenhauser, Powell
and Karns haven’t done much of anything.
Morrison今年在Rays扛了32支HR,Miller去年也扛了30只(今年数据下滑);换来的
Riefenhauser,Powell跟Karns就没啥表现可言。
We can play this game for a while.
这个猜硬币的游戏还可以继续玩下去。
Ben Gamel? Great pick-up by Dipoto. He was leading the AL in batting average
at one point this year and was acquired for a pair of low-end pitching
prospects.
Ben Gamel? 这个Dipoto换的不错,今年一度是美联联盟打击率第一,是用两个低阶潜力投
手换来的。
Chris Taylor? Terrible give-away by Dipoto. The infielder has a 4.4 WAR for
the Dodgers this year — second-best on the team — and was traded for
pitcher Zach Lee, whom the Mariners waived in December.
Chris Taylor? Dipoto把他换走真的是太糟糕了。他今年在道奇内野,WAR是4.4,在道奇
球队排第二;西雅图那时换来Zach Lee,水手12月的时候就把他释出了。
Acquiring first baseman Yonder Alonso for Powell was a buy-low move that has
paid dividends for the Mariners. Trading away pitcher Mike Montgomery for
Daniel Vogelbach — who has a minus-0.4 WAR in his seven games this season —
has not.
把Powell换走,换到Yonder Alonso算是一个逢低买进的出手,结果也算是收获颇丰;但是
把投手Mike Montgomery换走,换到Daniel Vogelback--本季七场比赛,WAR-0.4--就是赔
个一屁股的买卖。
As far as Dipoto’s most significant trade to date? The one that moved
Taijuan Walker and Ketel Marte to the Diamondbacks for Jean Segura and Mitch
Haniger? Even that one is up for debate.
所以,到目前为止,Dipoto最重要的交易是哪桩? 把Taijuan Walker跟Ketel Marte换到
Diamondback,拿到Jean Segura跟Mitch Haniger这笔? 即使这笔都还有待商榷。
Segura, who gave Seattle a shortstop and leadoff man in one fell swoop, is
hitting .299 this season — good for 10th in the American League. But Walker
has logged more than 126 innings and has a 3.55 ERA.
Segura,水手的游击跟开路先锋,本季打击率.299,美联排名第十;换出去的Walker则是
投了126局,ERA3.55。
Haniger exploded out of the gate but has struggled since returning from
injury. Marte has played well since returning from the disabled list.
Haniger一开始有爆发,但是在受伤回来後就陷入挣扎;换出去的Marte则是在从DL移出後
表现不错。
The combined WAR for Segura and Haniger this season is 3.3. The combined WAR
for Walker and Marte is 3.6.
Segura跟Haniger的合并WAR本季是3.3,Walker跟Marte则是3.6。
Of course, evaluating trades based on one season isn’t fair. Dipoto has made
a concerted effort to acquire players he can control for years to come. But
are those players going to produce?
当然,用一季的交易来评估是不公平的。Dipoto用了各式各样的努力去找到球员,可以确
保几年内的轮值无虞。但是,到底这些球员的表现会不会好呢?
Plenty of Dipoto’s decisions are worthy of praise. He never traded the
ageless Nelson Cruz. He has gotten solid production from Guillermo Heredia.
And his team (barely) remains in the wild-card picture despite a slew of
injuries.
很多Dipoto的决定还是值得称许的,像是他从未交易不老的Nelson Cruz,Guillermo
Heredia的表现稳定,水手队在有些伤兵的状况下,仍然(机率很低)在外卡的竞争行列内。
But he also has made a series of deals (Seth Smith for Yovanni Gallardo,
Tyler O’Neill for Marco Gonzales) that seemed to serve quantity more than
quality.
但是他做的某些决定(像是Seth Smith<->Yovanni Gallardo, Tyler O'Neill<->Marco
Gonzales),看起来就像是重量不重质。
Just before the trade deadline, former Fox Sports baseball writer Ken
Rosenthal quoted an anonymous executive, who said of Dipoto: “I’ve never
gotten it. It feels like he has made 348 trades to turn a .500 team into a
.500 team.”
在交易大限之前,前福斯运动棒球记者Ken Rosenthal引述一个不具名的球团高层,说到
Dipoto,「我实在搞不懂,看起来Dipoto像是做了348桩交易,然後把一个五成胜率的球队
变成还是只有五成胜率的球队。」
Given that the Mariners finished 10 games better in 2016 than they did in
2015, this seemed unfair at the time. Now? I don’t know.
水手在2016比2015多赢了10场,这样说Dipoto就不公平。那现在呢? 那就不知道了。
Given its injury-prone rotation, Seattle’s starting pitching doesn’t
necessarily stand to get much better next year.
看着这麽容易受伤的先发轮值,能保证水手的先发投手群明年一定会投的比今年好吗?
And with Cruz and Robinson Cano getting a little more banged up each season,
the offense might take a dip as well.
而打击方面,Cruz跟Cano每年都逐步耗损,明年的打击能力可能也会下降。
An endless list of transactions can tell us exactly what Dipoto has done. But
do we know what he has accomplished?
一长串的交易名单只会告诉我们Dipoto做了哪些事情,但是球队会不会变得比较好就是天
晓得了。
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那个不知名人士讲的话真的是中肯:
「我实在搞不懂,看起来Dipoto像是做了348桩交易,然後把一个五成胜率的球队变成还是
只有五成胜率的球队。」
帮我水兵QQ
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1F:推 bluesai: 一直不懂他交易是看心情还是怎样 09/01 16:26
2F:→ bluesai: 而且他很讨厌trumbo.. 09/01 16:28
3F:推 abcde2048: 第一眼看成水管总手 09/01 16:28
4F:推 doraemon47: 感谢你兵从我猴拿走Dipoto 想到普神跟黑米就气 09/01 16:28
5F:推 cd12631: 但普神和黑米不是你家老板钦点的吗 09/01 16:31
6F:推 hahabis: King for Brian Cashman, 结案 09/01 16:31
7F:推 Car1osCorrea: 我也很讨厌Trumbo...尤其是他在天使守左外的时候 09/01 16:33
8F:嘘 rex9999: 把交易当电动的 看薪情不顾感情的 最终都会失败 09/01 16:36
9F:→ jerryklu: Pedro:马的,楼上是在呛我逆? 09/01 16:44
10F:→ EEERRIICC: suck 09/01 16:46
11F:嘘 LlewynDavis: 废物一个 跟KT差不多 09/01 16:58
12F:推 lwifbf: 公平交易界的王者 十分公正 跟他交易绝对不吃亏 09/01 16:58
13F:推 KyleSeager: 想不透Talor Oneil为啥换到Marco Gonzales 09/01 17:12
14F:→ KyleSeager: Ben Gamel 明星赛後打超烂== 09/01 17:14
15F:推 KyleSeager: 简单说,Dipoto补了西墙,东墙就破。补完东墙,西墙又 09/01 17:16
16F:→ KyleSeager: 破了!? 09/01 17:16
17F:推 KyleSeager: Mark Trumbo是换到金鸟哪位球员啊 没印象了 09/01 17:19
18F:推 ghoster7: 不过JD不做这些交易的话水手战绩还能维持一定的竞争吗? 09/01 17:20
19F:推 cd12631: 去年发表种族歧视的二号捕手 09/01 17:21
20F:推 maxspeed150: Trumbo去年就像fluke啊 今年又变回replacement level 09/01 17:32
21F:推 KurtZouma: 不是交易很多精很强,有时候等不知道他要补什麽 09/01 18:18
22F:推 weitomato: 把五成胜率的球队变成五成胜率的球队真的超坏XDD 09/01 18:39
23F:推 okinawa8: 川宝换到的是Steve Clevenger...发表种族歧视推文後就掰 09/01 19:09
24F:→ okinawa8: 了 09/01 19:09
25F:推 ucieric: 天使的农场就是被他挑空的~唯一功劳就是拉Trout到大联盟 09/01 19:49
26F:推 Kyosuke: 爱当菜篮族每天买进杀出 XD 09/01 19:54
27F:推 TheBlueMoon: 借转水兵版,感谢 09/01 20:03
※ TheBlueMoon:转录至看板 Mariners 09/01 20:04
28F:→ ShaShoukun: Trumbo没有守备而且选球鸟保送少又容易吞一票K 09/01 20:34
29F:→ ShaShoukun: 他在有些有特殊倾向的队伍里不被喜欢很正常 09/01 20:35
30F:推 saiulbb: 交易真的多到像打电动一样XDDD 09/01 20:42
31F:→ Pujols5: 装忙高手? 09/01 20:59
32F:推 madboy: 要弄的很忙 让老板看到你有在做事w 09/01 21:28
33F:推 jackytao: 今年Taylor大爆发应该是意外吧,刚开始暴走的时候超多人 09/01 21:30
34F:→ jackytao: 不看好(FB一丢捡不回啊Q) 09/01 21:31
35F:推 KyleSeager: Taylor在水兵没长打,今年在道奇是怎麽了? 09/01 21:42
36F:→ LucasDuda: 躲人要说赛还是捡到Turner XD 09/01 21:52
37F:推 triff: 超狂 09/01 21:53
38F:→ triff: 水兵冲啊。 09/01 21:53
39F:→ triff: 水兵水兵拿冠军! 09/01 21:53
40F:→ DanielHudson: 说不定Dipoto是有入航空公司的股,要帮忙卖机票的? 09/01 22:14
41F:推 AZBTPATONY: 有些人在某队就是打不出来 看看shaw 09/01 22:22
42F:推 triff: 压力没这麽大的环境比较适合他,祝福他,还有祝福水兵 09/01 22:25
43F:推 wahaha5678: Taylor有修过打击姿势 09/01 22:40
44F:→ wahaha5678: 打击姿势加了抬腿,另外手部动作也有调整 09/01 22:42
45F:→ wahaha5678: 只能说躲人的打教团队有本事了 09/01 22:42
46F:→ wahaha5678: 话说Dipoto来玩FB的话一定很有趣www 09/01 22:43
47F:推 andy880036s: 说不定他有玩啊XD 09/01 23:04
48F:推 kenny781558: 我是天使迷 老实说我自己还蛮喜欢Dipoto的... 09/01 23:18
49F:→ kenny781558: 他有些交易做的蛮漂亮的 只是後来和高层不合 09/01 23:19
50F:→ kenny781558: 我认为他绝对不会成为一个不好的GM 09/01 23:19
51F:推 ghoster7: JD听说不是被说虾给斗掉了 09/01 23:26
52F:→ ghoster7: 在洛杉矶的时候 09/01 23:27
53F:推 koscew: 应该是一堆球员离开西雅图後就打超猛 09/02 04:14
54F:推 MotoDawn: 跟某些公务员很像阿 一直装忙让你感觉有在做事 09/02 16:53
55F:推 tony160079: 但你要想 至少她还能五成变五成 猪头B就办不到 09/03 02:51