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标题[外电] Jack Morris指控Clay Buchholz投球作弊
时间Fri May 3 10:21:38 2013
TORONTO -- Jack Morris, a former World Series hero and a Toronto Blue Jays
broadcaster, said Thursday that he watched video after Wednesday night's game
between the Jays and Red Sox and came away convinced Boston pitcher Clay
Buchholz is throwing a spitball.
Morris said he didn't notice it during Wednesday's telecast.
"I found out because the guys on the video camera showed it to me right after
the game," he said. "I didn't see it during the game. They showed it to me
and said, 'What do you think of this?' and I said, 'Well, he's throwing a
spitter. Cause that's what it is."
前大联盟强投,现任蓝鸟队播音员Jack Morris说八寇子投口水球(spitball)
"我转播比赛的时候没看到"
"比赛後我看画面,他们问我这是什麽,我说他就是在丢口水球!!!"
Morris's accusation was vigorously disputed by the Red Sox, including manager
John Farrell and Buchholz, who said it's the first time he has been accused
of throwing a spitball.
"Loading up with what, rosin?" Buchholz said. "I get wet from my hair. Are
they talking about the stains on my shirt? There probably are stains on my
shirt, because I've been wearing the same shirt for the last three years.
"I'm doing the same thing right now as I did in 2008, when I was sent down to
Double-A. But I guess something's got to be wrong, right?'"
红袜上下否认这项指控,包括八扣子本人和经理John Farrell
八扣子:"我的手做了什麽? 抹止滑粉吗? 我头发湿了耶!!! "
"还是他们在说我衣服上的污渍? 那是因为我三年没洗了耶!!!(误)"
"从08年被丢到2A开始我就是这样做(怨),现在出问题了吗?"
Video of Buchholz rubbing his pitching hand on his left forearm was shown on
the Jays' pregame show Thursday night.
"He's got rosin on his arm," said Farrell, visibly annoyed. "He's not loading
up; he's got rosin on his arm. As soon as someone pitches well or does well,
they're cheating."
录影带显示八扣子的右手去擦了左前臂
John Farrell:"他手臂上有止滑粉啦,但他没抹(load up?)"
"有人投的好就是作弊啦"
Buchholz has won each of his first six starts, including Wednesday's when he
held the Jays to two hits in seven scoreless innings. Buchholz, who has a
1.01 ERA, on Thursday was named American League Pitcher of the Month.
Morris said he went to Farrell and told him of his suspicions. He said he saw
Buchholz repeatedly going to his left forearm, which he said was clearly
smeared with a substance that Buchholz was rubbing onto the ball.
"It was all over his forearm, all over the lower part of his T-shirt, it's
all in his hair," Morris said. "I can't prove anything. I can't prove
anything.
Morris表示他看到八扣子反覆涂抹左前臂的东西到球上
"他手臂上都是!!! 他衣服低的那块也都是!!! 他头发也都是!!!"
"但我证明不了什麽(摊)"
"现在裁判都不抓这种东西了,颗颗"
"Funny thing, the way the game is played today. In our generation, every
player, every coach would have seen it, the umpire would have gone out and
made him change, made him stop and that changes everything. Or else they
throw him out of the game. So what kind of bugs all of us is nothing is done
here."
That last comment could be construed as criticism of Toronto manager John
Gibbons and the rest of the Blue Jays, none of whom raised any issues with
plate umpire Bruce Dreckman.
但在当天比赛蓝鸟上下没有半个人向主审裁判检举??
Morris won 254 games over the course of an 18-year big-league career. He is
best remembered for one of the greatest pitching performances in World Series
history, when he was with the Twins and beat the Atlanta Braves, 1-0, in 10
innings in Game 7 of the '91 Series.
Asked if he believed the action of Buchholz's pitches suggested he was
throwing a spitter, Morris said, "What do you think? Look at the pitches.
Fastball at 94 that goes like that," Morris said, his hand darting swiftly
down and away. "On a fastball?
Morris的丰功伟业包含最知名的1991世界大赛
"你有看过那麽恶心的球吗?? 94MPH还可以这样转弯!!!!!!"
"He's not the first guy to ever do it? You can get away with it. Gaylord
[Perry] made a nice career out of it."
Perry is in the Hall of Fame.
Morris, asked if he has seen any other current pitchers throw a spitball,
said he hasn't.
"But I'll be looking,'' he said. "I'll be looking. You warn all your boys
I'll be looking.''
Morris:"大家都给我小心,我从现在开始盯上每个投手"
Morris said he shared his suspicions with Red Sox catchers David Ross, who
caught Buchholz on Wednesday, and Jarrod Saltalamacchia before Thursday's
game.
"I went up to Salty and I told him," Morris said. "He said, 'It's dry in
Boston, and I've seen him put water all over his pants.' I said, 'Salty this
isn't my first [expletive] rodeo.' He didn't know what to say to that, so we
ended the conversation right there."
"我有去找David Ross和Salty"
"Salty说:'Boston很乾,我看到八扣子把他裤子都弄湿了'"
Saltalamacchia and Ross acknowledged speaking to Morris.
"I know for a fact he's not doing anything illegal, as far as making his ball
move more or cutting the ball to make it do this, that's ridiculous,"
Saltalamacchia said.
Saltalamacchia said Buchholz uses a mix of water and rosin to improve his
grip on the ball.
"There aren't too many pitchers who don't try to get a grip somehow,"
Saltalamacchia said. "That's why there's rosin out there. I don't see
anything to be alarmed about. It's not like he's taking a file and cutting
the ball, doing something to make the ball move.
"The only person I've ever seen do that is [Vicente] Padilla. I'd see Padilla
get water from the back of his head, and the ball would sink six inches or
so. With Buch, anyone who's been around him knows his ball does what it does,
but he's not doing anything different than last year or the year before."
Salty表示:"八扣子没做任何违规的事情,说他故意让球跑多一点真的很荒谬"
"他有用一些水和止滑粉的混和物去增加球的握力"
"但哪个投手不想让球能更握紧一点,我没看出有任何不妥的事情"
"我只看过Vincente Padilla作弊,
他从头後面抹一点水然後球就跑了六英寸"
"八扣子的球一直都是这样,他没做什麽和以前不一样的事"
Said Ross: "I touch the ball as much as Buch does and I know when a pitcher
is messing with the ball. He's not putting anything on it. And that shirt he
wears is about 40 years old."
Ross:"我拿的球跟八扣子一样多耶,他真的没作弊"
"只是他那件衣服大概穿了40年了"
Morris said he never threw a spitter in a game.
"One game I tried it in the bullpen and that's why I know," he said. "It was
back against Oakland when Billy [Martin] was in Oakland. He had Matt Keough,
Mike Norris, Rick Langford and Steve McCatty. Every one of those guys was
throwing a spitter; every one of them. The reason I know is I was pitching
against Mike Norris and back in those days they wouldn't throw balls out, and
they were all full of [stuff].
"Next time I'm in the pen, I asked Milt Wilcox, 'How do you throw a spitter,'
because he pitched with Gaylord. He knows all Gaylord's tricks.
"He said, 'C'mon, I'll show you.' So I threw about three of them and the
bottom fell out -- quick, sharp, nasty. But it's not the easiest thing to
throw. That's why you don't throw it every pitch."
Morris said he took no issue with his spitball accusations being reported.
"I've got no problem with it," he said, "because I know he was."
Morris wasn't the only one to accuse Buchholz.
Former major league pitcher Dirk Hayhurst, now a broadcast analyst for the
Blue Jays, told Toronto radio station Sportsnet 590 The Fan on Thursday that
Buchholz was "absolutely" cheating in Wednesday's start.
前大联盟投手Dirk Hayhurst,现任蓝鸟转播分析员也表示八扣子绝对在作弊
http://ppt.cc/94bN
翻译当练英文,翻错的请指正并见谅,谢谢!!
*Rosin=止滑粉
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1F:推 johnedgar:抓到了!....吗? 05/03 10:24
2F:推 seeyou1002:Buchholz: 我投球坦荡荡,你是把投手都当王八蛋就是了 05/03 10:25
3F:推 wildhog:笔电呢? 05/03 10:25
4F:推 abc12812:对付蓝鸟打线有需要这麽麻烦吗? 05/03 10:25
5F:推 evilvens:崩溃? 05/03 10:25
6F:推 svuper:他有用一些水和松香的混和物去增加球的握力<-不就是了? 05/03 10:26
7F:推 JoseIglesias:Farrell原来是红袜老板(笔记) 05/03 10:26
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8F:推 tedwood6465:所以Buchholz从2A的时候就.... 05/03 10:28
9F:推 JakeMcGee:Farrell在蓝鸟时根本就身在曹营 心在汉阿XDDD 05/03 10:29
10F:推 ysb731220:囧了 这有得吵了 05/03 10:31
11F:推 alex710707:他昨天的直球真的超恶心 强道让人认为有作弊嫌疑 05/03 10:32
12F:推 ck3300511:抓到拉~ 05/03 10:35
13F:推 alex710707:等到结果出来再说吧 05/03 10:37
14F:推 Absioute:口水球是啥 用口水沾球吗 不是很多投手都会去舔手 05/03 10:38
15F:推 chaohsiu:我记得规定是投手可以抹口水,但在投手板set好就不行 05/03 10:40
16F:→ chaohsiu:然後可不可以抹松香或其他东西我就不知道了 05/03 10:40
17F:推 WLR:低投资高报酬,有人会去研发类似的东西蛮合理的 05/03 10:43
18F:推 JoseIglesias:Rosin就是放在投手丘後面的滑石粉 你觉得可以用吗 05/03 10:45
19F:→ maxspeed150:规则上是说在投球前要抹乾净 05/03 10:46
20F:→ maxspeed150:不过 这种事情反正没证据就是喊爽的 05/03 10:47
21F:推 zyx12320:Rosin到底是滑石粉还是松香? 估狗翻译是松香 05/03 10:48
22F:推 colakane:Bochy投球之间会一直舔手指没错,如果他有用松香,不是舔 05/03 10:53
23F:→ colakane:到嘴巴了吗? 05/03 10:53
24F:→ rockyue:只要能打打嘴炮影响到他往後投球的心情 蓝鸟就算赢了 05/03 10:55
25F:→ fifth:还记得Buchholz.. 当过小偷偷过东西.. 05/03 10:55
26F:推 WadeMiley:他说说而已 但之後每个对上巴扣的球队都会用放大镜检视 05/03 10:57
27F:推 spko:Rosin就是止滑粉,投手丘後面都会有一个Rosin Bag给投手用 05/03 11:00
28F:→ spko:甚至每个裁判身上都会带一包以防万一 05/03 11:01
29F:→ spko:下小雨的时候甚至允许投手可以放止滑粉在屁股的口袋里 05/03 11:01
30F:→ spko:但是不允许投手放止滑粉到手套、或球衣上的其他地方 05/03 11:02
32F:→ spko:也不允许投手把球直接塞进Rosin Bag里 XD 05/03 11:02
33F:→ spko:止滑粉只要碰到水就会有些许粘性,本来就是这样用的 05/03 11:02
34F:→ curryrice:原po改一下吧 Rosin是滑石粉 05/03 11:03
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35F:推 sft005:其实袖子里还藏了笔电啦 快抓~ (哈欠) 05/03 11:06
37F:推 abc12812:小心被神偷偷暗号 05/03 11:08
38F:推 mp39999:所以只会是喊爽的 XD 05/03 11:10
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39F:推 RogerWaters:load up, 是说他有用止滑粉, 但没有用一堆上去... 05/03 11:13
40F:→ RogerWaters:用止滑粉是合法的, 但load up用一堆到球上就是作弊了. 05/03 11:14
41F:推 Mooooose:Vincente Padilla被抓包 05/03 11:22
42F:推 seeyou1002:Padilla的名声一直都不好 不意外 05/03 11:26
43F:推 poplc:有球迷拍到他手上有白白的东西----http://ppt.cc/QXp6 05/03 11:26
44F:推 JakeMcGee:那是流汗的盐拉XDDD 现在没证据谁都抓不到的啦 05/03 11:28
45F:推 mp39999:大概穿了40年XDDD 05/03 11:30
46F:推 maxspeed150:Padilla本来就有被抓过啊 05/03 11:36
47F:推 duo0518:手拿滑石粉→手去摸手臂→手臂上沾到滑石粉 有问题吗??? 05/03 11:37
48F:推 RogerWaters:看condensed game,他是将滑石粉整包抹在手臂上,要投球 05/03 11:54
49F:→ RogerWaters:前摸手臂的滑石粉, 再摸裤子... 05/03 11:55
50F:→ RogerWaters:投完後必摸口水, 再摸裤子...为什麽要整包抹在手臂上. 05/03 11:57
51F:→ RogerWaters:就看你怎麽想了... 05/03 11:57
53F:推 duo0518:原来如此 的确动作有点多... 05/03 12:12
54F:推 sdfsonic:不要起争议啦! 05/03 12:20
55F:推 bestteam:敢指控八扣子是想换电脑了吗? 05/03 12:26
56F:推 howacha:没啥吧 05/03 12:26
57F:推 alex710707:有好戏看了 等着看他下一场先发对上蓝鸟 05/03 12:29
58F:推 Sephiroth:应该是怀疑他沾身上的水+滑石粉之後去投吧!如spko所说 05/03 12:32
59F:推 Sephiroth:,两者混合会变成具黏性的物质,这样涂抹到球上就有影响 05/03 12:34
60F:→ rockyue:那比赛时飘雨或者有手汗的会怎样? 05/03 12:38
61F:推 force5566:笔电是麽梗? 05/03 12:39
62F:推 TassadarGau:楼上Google一下就知道 05/03 12:41
63F:推 spko:止滑粉"本来"就是要沾水让它有黏性,不然要止滑粉做甚麽 XD 05/03 12:54
64F:→ spko:就是让手上投到出汗的投手的手不会手滑~~~~ 05/03 12:55
65F:推 lmc66:酸葡萄吧 别人投得好就是作弊 呵呵 05/03 13:01
66F:推 jaysuzuki:每个人在评论时都有预设立场了,实际情况是怎样除非去查 05/03 13:12
67F:→ jaysuzuki:不然也无从知道 05/03 13:12
68F:推 soul1:投口水球可是能进名人堂的,吵什麽啊 05/03 14:31
69F:推 JessicaA1ba:笔电神伦被指控正常啦 谁叫他有案底 05/03 14:53
70F:嘘 Arsenalhenry:被杀爆只好开始找碴 05/03 15:07
71F:推 Sephiroth:所以问题点就在是止滑而已,还是过量涂抹到球上 05/03 15:29
72F:→ Sephiroth:只是这样看来,这指控很站不住脚XD 05/03 15:29
73F:推 svuper:笔电就是~以前当过小偷~还偷了30台!! 是盗匪无误 05/03 16:40
74F:推 genesys570:官网首页影片Tazawa也作了一样的摸手臂动作 05/03 16:44
75F:推 alex710707:现在就是事实怎样都还不确定啊 有些人开始逾设立场了 05/03 16:51
76F:→ georgecat:这是要怎麽发现 05/03 17:03
77F:推 meteorhades:指滑粉不是本来就这样用吗 搞不懂问题在哪XDD 05/03 17:34
78F:推 ps20012001:是用在手 但是用到连球上都有+上口水...这就不好说了.. 05/03 17:59
79F:→ ps20012001:反正接下来几场 一定会被放大检视 用实力来澄清吧 05/03 18:00
80F:推 v32767:什麽时候mlb酸民也这麽多了 05/03 19:34
81F:推 oliver81405:抓到了齁!!!!!!!!! 05/03 20:27
82F:推 melissalewis:红袜不意外啦!!!! 难怪会请走红袜之光8BV 05/03 21:36
83F:推 lankyo:8BV是洋基之光谢谢~~ 05/03 21:53
84F:推 airphone:姑且不论真假,投球前的小动作也太多,被怀疑正常 05/03 22:42
85F:→ alex710707:某M出来引战了 不意外 05/03 23:22
86F:推 anijen:下一场不要搞这些动作,成绩一样自然不会有人讲话wait&see 05/04 00:15
87F:推 anijen:不过看了Condensed每球真的一堆动作.. 05/04 00:51
88F:→ dapei842110:你应该不知道他投球本就很会摸吧 今年已经被投教要求 05/04 02:29
89F:→ dapei842110:加快动作 之前更摸 05/04 02:30
90F:推 dimblackjQ:蓝鸟自己花一堆钱投手打击一团糟 看到红袜就眼红了 05/04 02:35
91F:推 bkm1:第一球就给94 mph的球往打者身上招呼 谢谢他们的指教 05/04 13:31