作者errard (errard)
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标题[闲聊] Jungle or not?
时间Wed Mar 10 22:15:37 2010
快换新英雄了，在此讨论看看这星期对於jungle之狼大家有甚麽看法呢？
或者说，哪些英雄来撑原本应该两人的线，比较能够和对面抗衡呢？
个人浅见：
Jungle之优势─
1.等级：相对於对方两人，己方单人等级理当较高
2.扰敌：神出鬼没的jungle之狼突然出现，gank!
3.扫荡对方CP区让他们无从偷赚
4.抢对方buff
Jungle之劣势─
1.被抓的风险：对面一开始就烙人抓狼，没抓到狼就gank下路!
抓到一样gank下路! Double play!
2.被压的风险：队友A：fxxking wolf, when do you stop jungling?
队友B：what a noob, dont even has a boot
3.狼还没养肥，对面先肥了：队友C：GG，their Tris(Twich) is well fed.
4.请高手补充
其实狼、熊都是常见的jungle动物，相信也让不少玩家又爱又恨，希望大家
可以分享一些所见的或是自己不错的jungle策略/玩法~
分享一点，关於用狼的jungle：
符文组：
以攻速和破甲符文为主，理由是CP方便而且狼的招式都不会爆击，
所以不考虑cri chance或者cri damage的符文
天赋：
Plentiful Bounty：增加smite收入5元以及降CD
Sunder ：降低6点armor
Offensive Mastery：增加对小兵伤害4点
Awareness： +5% 经验
Utility Mastery： 延长buff时间30%
当然要这样点，Offence不可能全满，不过对於jungle流来说，30%的buff时间
真的很重要，很值得放弃+4%伤害。
召唤者技能：
smite：加快你的赚钱速度、让你能早日吃buff
维持你的血量在高档、让你的经验值能跟得上撑线的队友
(而不是反倒比队友低)
flash：丛林中逃跑、两段跳大决...
fortify：降低掉塔的风险，尽管大家都知道有危险要去增援，可是
现在在打的蜥蜴人剩半血了... 不然就是离塔还有一段距离
而且还附加额外7点对小兵伤害，带了不吃亏
Jungle部份：
(小型)三匹狼：不准用smite!绝对不准!
石头人：smite可以打半血，有点+5% exp的话打完就能升级了
幽灵群：等级一没smite是打不赢的，有smite则可轻松吃，而且
大幽灵给的经验很多
(大型)石头人/蜥蜴人：带上rally 1级可以吃，2级带上smite+红药水也OK
装备：
起手 +10 damage + 1 health pot
+18 armor + 1 ward + 2 health pot
+12% lifesteal
全jungle套餐：Madred's Razors(1000 gold)
加快CP速度，提早进6级
Ganker套餐： Phage(1315 gold)
Hunters Call改强後，缓起来好杀度百分百
注意事项：
1.读取的时候注意对方的召唤者技能，有smite的jungle机会大
2.观察对方买的装备(Tab)，起始475元，对方没花完则很有可能买眼
3.打大型怪前，先看看对方的人员动向，决定要不要扣着smite防敌人
抢buff
4.Blood Scent不用太早点，点了对jungle没帮助，而且要gank也容易
被察觉。现在那个标示也太大了，要不发现还真难~
5.龙的战略地位相当重要，是狼儿誓死守护的Jungle地点，一定要放眼
可以的话就吃!
参考眼位：
http://0rz.tw/aqYPW
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◆ From: 218.169.98.33
※ 编辑: errard 来自: 218.169.98.33 (03/10 22:17)
※ 编辑: errard 来自: 218.169.98.33 (03/10 23:01)
1F：→ SamMa :个人觉得，队友被压不知道回线的狼很糟糕 03/10 22:33
2F：→ SamMa :看到1v2队友血剩半条，就该过去帮忙了 03/10 22:33
3F：→ SamMa :让队友有空吸个血，或是回家补给一下 03/10 22:34
4F：→ errard :现在跳游戏会有3min/10min的惩罚，否则之前有的玩家 03/10 23:02
5F：→ errard :看你选狼就跳了，真辛酸~ 03/10 23:02
6F：推 Dolacone :现在看到ww/yi/try三出二还是得跳啊XD，太後期了 03/10 23:07
7F：推 xaviers1123 :好的狼大绝可以突破阵线 薄一点的就死了 03/10 23:22
8F：→ yzpdal :不管是是突破 或者是秒掉对方最有威胁的 WW都很好 03/10 23:23
9F：推 kafka0 :好文啊！吃蓝buff，可以再详述一下吗？ 03/10 23:40
10F：推 toughbank :youtube有影片专门教ww如何jungling 03/10 23:45
11F：推 doomdied :开场买armor加两灌水就可以吃蓝buff,之後就不用说了 03/11 00:35
12F：→ errard :刚刚一开始就有leaver, 4v5我就没jungle了对上sion 03/11 01:04
13F：→ errard :mord... 对方想塔杀让我开fortify的结果就是... 03/11 01:05
15F：→ errard :不过这只是低等的小对战，笑笑就好~ 03/11 01:07
16F：推 Dolacone :楼上的leaver在哪?XD 03/11 01:07
17F：→ errard :後来又re了，那时我7级~ 03/11 01:09
18F：→ errard :看的真仔细! 03/11 01:09
※ 编辑: errard 来自: 218.169.98.33 (03/11 01:52)
19F：推 ric917 :图片的故事告诉我们 坦克只出伤害装备还是要被秒 03/11 02:21
20F：→ ric917 :法师出再多防 还是得被杀 狼够蠢连cp都打不多 03/11 02:22
21F：推 ric917 :好玩家不拘泥於形式还是会有好表现 03/11 02:41
22F：推 psboy :玩的好的ww也有啊 连对手都称赞勒 qq 04/06 14:53
23F：→ psboy :好的ww会观察全场 就算跑jungle也不会放着线不管 04/06 14:54
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30F：嘘 wchd : 09/20 15:39
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42F：嘘 opojc2c : 04/11 11:23
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44F：推 diefish5566 : 我打野都不打野怪 在中路杀小兵 和单中有八成像 01/15 03:05
45F：推 duece0927 : 我打也都不吃野 改在下路插眼游走保AD和SUP有九成像 01/19 02:48
46F：→ mocdd : 87地一推 01/26 19:58
47F：推 f051372 : 87 01/26 20:07
48F：推 taiwanstrike: 辟新战场 01/26 22:21
49F：推 wssxxx : 太87啦~~ 01/26 23:12
50F：推 BaXeS : GOGO 01/26 23:38
51F：推 h4321oem : 878787878787878787878787 01/27 01:22
52F：推 a34781261 : 87 01/27 03:01
53F：推 andy31313 : 87 01/27 08:34
54F：推 asd2260123 : 野猪骑士来喔 01/27 11:37
55F：推 jho52106 : 啊～轻一点～ 01/27 11:59
56F：推 taiwanstrike: 八七骑士来喔 01/27 15:45
57F：推 p2p8ppp : JG有够87 01/27 18:14
58F：推 asd2260123 : 打野猪骑士来喔 01/27 21:26
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60F：推 jerry07539 : 野猪骑士来喔 01/27 23:48
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62F：推 shwei2012 : 87 01/28 02:26
63F：推 qazwsx80316 : 安安 01/28 06:47
64F：推 f051372 : 野猪骑士来喔 01/28 09:58
65F：推 f051372 : 野猪骑士来喔 01/28 10:00
66F：推 p2p8ppp : 87 01/28 13:46
67F：推 qazwsx80316 : 01/28 19:51
68F：推 taiwanstrike: 87 01/28 21:36
69F：推 death19407 : 捌柒 01/29 00:37
70F：推 tim8177414 : 87 01/29 01:37
71F：推 uc500 : 87 01/29 02:48
72F：推 qazwsx80316 : 好的 01/29 19:29
73F：推 taiwanstrike: 87 01/29 19:47
74F：推 g5637128 : 87 01/29 23:28
75F：推 f051372 : 87 01/29 23:34
76F：推 h4321oem : 野区有只猪 01/30 00:13
77F：推 leftless : 87 01/30 00:54
78F：推 leftless : 87 01/30 01:21
79F：推 qazwsx80316 : 口苗口苗 01/30 10:19
80F：推 asd2260123 : 野猪骑士来喔 01/30 14:41
81F：推 taiwanstrike: 87 01/30 17:25
82F：推 vic3560812 : 87 01/31 12:46
83F：推 rich830502 : 87 01/31 14:16
84F：推 taiwanstrike: 87 01/31 22:40
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86F：推 HughHuang : 87 02/01 00:50
87F：推 jerry07539 : 野猪骑士来喔 02/01 04:14
88F：推 taiwanstrike: 87 02/01 20:55
89F：推 sharkhead : 87 02/01 21:27
90F：推 wssxxx : 各位87们 新年快乐 02/01 22:09
91F：推 h4321oem : 新年快乐 87 02/01 23:55
92F：推 keiryork : 87 02/02 01:48
93F：推 www16852 : 87 02/02 01:49
94F：推 FertilizerN : 87 02/02 01:55
95F：推 f051372 : 87 02/02 11:27
96F：推 taiwanstrike: 87 02/02 16:28
97F：推 jerry07539 : 87 02/02 19:09
98F：推 p2p8ppp : 87 02/02 20:13
99F：推 taiwanstrike: 八七骑士来喔 02/02 21:45
100F：推 fishpill : 狂 02/02 23:47
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142F：→ funkD : 勇者 <(￣一￣ ) 02/03 12:25
143F：→ aa58231 : 致敬 <(￣ㄧ￣ ) 02/03 13:11
144F：→ BaXeS : <(￣ㄧ￣ ) 02/03 13:29
145F：→ h4321oem : 太神啦 02/03 14:49
146F：推 duece0927 : 为您默哀<(￣ㄧ￣ ) 02/03 16:13
147F：嘘 diefish5566 : 太惨了 02/03 16:26
148F：推 f051372 : 笑死XDDDD 02/03 16:34
149F：嘘 f051372 : <(￣ㄧ￣ ) 02/03 16:36
150F：→ taiwanstrike: 您真是87 向您致敬20日 02/03 21:57
151F：→ wssxxx : 致敬 <(￣ㄧ￣ ) 02/03 23:10
152F：→ fishpill : 致敬 <(￣ㄧ￣ ) 02/03 23:20
153F：→ asd2260123 : 勇者 02/04 01:13
154F：→ rainnawind : <(￣一￣ ) 02/04 02:09
155F：→ p2p8ppp : 致敬 <(￣ㄧ￣ ) 02/04 17:28
156F：推 DioEraclea : 朝圣 4DJ 02/12 22:31
157F：嘘 taiwanstrike: 事隔9天还是掰了 02/12 22:42
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159F：嘘 h4321oem : . 03/12 11:22
160F：推 Firstshadow : (づ′・ω・）づ QQ 03/21 03:21
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162F：推 John6023 : 巴巴战士来啦~ 04/12 18:59
163F：嘘 diefish5566 : 我就是不想jg 04/12 23:33
164F：推 John6023 : (づ′・ω・）づ该下SKT还是RNG呢... 05/12 00:17
165F：嘘 BaXeS : SKT 05/12 01:41
166F：推 XingDi : 推，虽然我觉得他们好像直接无视了 06/13 00:59
167F：嘘 taiwanstrike: 颗颗 06/13 01:23
168F：推 juyhnmki : 唉唷 他的手可以穿过我的巴巴R 偷偷88 ㄎ 06/22 21:24
169F：嘘 wssxxx : ㄎㄎ 不到5分钟 06/22 21:30
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171F：嘘 HomerEDLee : 87 06/30 20:42
172F：推 aggress5566 : 巴巴 巴巴 巴巴 巴巴 巴巴 08/11 17:21
173F：嘘 brave0618 : 抓到啦 87 08/11 17:31
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175F：嘘 taiwanstrike: 麦当劳逆 08/17 12:37
176F：推 aggress5566 : 楼下金城武 巴巴 巴巴 巴巴 09/19 23:41
177F：嘘 chou3321 : 87 09/19 23:59
178F：推 justinchiao : 0 01/22 23:54
179F：嘘 p2p8ppp : @@ 01/22 23:57
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181F：嘘 Crushredkiss: 帮平衡 04/02 23:24
182F：推 udx12356 : 下去 04/04 17:40
183F：嘘 faelone : 不要调皮 04/04 20:27
184F：推 a25380 : (づ′・ω・）づ 04/04 20:27
185F：嘘 p2p8ppp : 87 04/04 22:05
186F：推 udx12356 : 把特哥还给我 04/11 05:45
187F：嘘 p2p8ppp : 不要 04/11 12:26
188F：推 handle0802 : 推 07/08 20:07
189F：嘘 RancoonYuan : ... 07/09 01:17
190F：推 HJC6666 : +1 07/28 11:55