作者Paraguay (巴拉圭)
看板LeBronJames
标题[外电] LeBron vs. Durant:现今最佳球员的比较
时间Fri Mar 29 21:59:30 2013
※ [本文转录自 NBA 看板 #1HLLyRk5 ]
作者: hao5566 (五六##) 看板: NBA
标题: [外絮] LeBron vs. Durant:现今最佳球员的比较
时间: Fri Mar 29 17:30:00 2013
Within their first five years neither LeBron James nor Kevin Durant had won
an NBA championship. Nonetheless, both proved in that short stretch that
their ringless fingers could not hide one very obvious fact: they would
ascend the ladder of NBA greatness in their careers. While enjoying the
entertainment that both NBA superstars exhibit today, there is a very high
likelihood that both will finish their career in the heart of the discussion
for greatest NBA players of all time.
在LBJ和KD的前五年生涯中,两人都未得到NBA冠军。然而,两人却都在
这小段时间内证明了,尽管手上没有戒指,他们仍然能够在生涯内登上
NBA的巅峰。
正当我们尽兴於LBJ和KD的表现所带来的娱乐时,这两位球星同时也一直
被人们拿来讨论说,到底谁是最伟大的NBA球员,而这很有可能持续直到
他们的生涯结束。
So how do the two best players in the NBA compare? Quite frankly, as you will
see in their statistics, they are eerily similar. Here is a comparison of
LeBron and Durant’s respective first five years in the NBA, both of which
started at age 19:
所以到底该如何比较这两位球员呢?坦白的说,从统计数据上来看,他们
两人的数据是出奇的相似。以下是两人生涯前五年的比较,且皆从19岁
起开始:
Coming into the league, LeBron James was hailed as the next great thing.
Gracing the cover of Sports Illustrated as a high school basketball player,
LeBron was expected to be nothing short of the stature of Kobe Bryant and
Michael Jordan. Conversely, many analysts questioned Kevin Durant’s
relevance as a professional player. While LeBron had an NBA-ready body right
out of high school, Durant’s physique was much more questionable. Whispers
of bust surrounded the dynamic scorer who was 2007 College Player of the Year
in his one year at Texas. Perhaps prophetic, in their respective drafts,
LeBron was No. 1 overall and Durant was No. 2.
LBJ刚进联盟时,便被誉为下一个伟大的传奇。以高中篮球员成为Sports Illustrated
的封面人物,LBJ被认为是一名不下Kobe和Jordan的球员。然而反观Durant,
有许多分析球评质疑KD是否适合做一个职业球员。因为在LBJ高中毕业的时候,
就拥有能闯荡NBA的身体素直,但是Durant的体格是否适合却是被画上问号的。
许多议论便开始围绕着这位在大一就得到2007年度最佳大学球员的身上。
As their high selection suggests, both landed in cities with NBA teams
desperately in need of a franchise player. At the time of James’ arrival,
the Cleveland Cavaliers had missed the playoffs for five consecutive years.
Outside of LeBron, little hope was on the horizon. In the Akron native’s
rookie year in the league (2003-04), two of the top five scorers on the team
included Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Ricky Davis. Similarly, Kevin Durant came to
the then-Seattle SuperSonics hoping to revive a franchise that had lost Ray
Allen. The SuperSonics had one playoff appearance in the five years leading
up to Durant’s rookie year.
从他们第一、二名的选秀顺位便知道,这两支球队都是极欲寻找一个属於他们
的看板球星的球队。在LBJ初到骑士之初,骑士队已经错过了连续五年的季後赛。
而除了LBJ,另外的小小希望也已到来,那就是Zydrunas Ilgauskas和Ricky Davis。
而同样的,选中KD的超音速队也希望能找到一个看板球星来弥补RAY ALLEN的离开
而此时超音速队也在过去五年中只进了一年季後赛。
In KD’s rookie year (2007-08), he scored about as many points as the second
and third leading scorers on the team combined. But unlike LeBron, Durant
would get some help over the next couple years as two more high draft picks,
Russell Westbrook and James Harden, contributed to a turnaround in what
became the Oklahoma City Thunder franchise.
在KD的菜鸟年,他得到的分数是球队上第二得分点和第三得分点加起来的分数。
但与LBJ不同的是,KD在接下来的几年得到了Russel Westbrook和James Harden
两个强力队友,进而带给球队转机。
球队 LBJ和DURANT菜鸟年该队的胜率 继菜鸟年後的胜率
骑士 0.42 0.5 → 0.6 → 0.6 → 0.55
雷霆 0.25 0.29 → 0.6 → 0.68 → 0.7
Although LeBron had significantly more success in his rookie year than
Durant, neither LeBron’s Cavs nor Durant’s Thunder made the playoffs for
the first two years that both players were in the league. However, there was
immediate hope that there would eventually be a turnaround. Both won NBA
Rookie of the Year honors. Scoring titles, All Star appearances, and a host
of other accolades followed in their first five years.
由上表可知,虽然尽管LBJ在他的菜鸟年显着的比KD成功,骑士和雷霆
都没能在LBJ和KD在队上的前两年闯进季後赛。然而,却存在着一个最
终将成为转机的希望,那就是两人都赢得了Rookie of the years的殊
荣、得分王的头衔、全明星赛出场资格以及在他们各自生涯的前五年成
为许多其他的荣誉的得主。
As if those trends don’t mirror each other enough, take a look at the
regular season numbers they put up in their first five years:
如果这些趋势不能足够反映对方相似性,一起来看看在前五年的常规赛
他们创造的数据:
Per game statistics LeBron James Kevin Durant
Points 27.3 26.3
Rebounds 6.9 6.6
Assists 6.6 2.8
Steals 1.8 1.2
Blocks 0.8 1.0
FG percentage .467 .468
FT percentage .728 .878
Games played 390 380
The only significant differences are in assists (LeBron has the edge) and
free throw percentage (Durant has the edge)…everything else is nearly
identical. Going to advanced statistics helps differentiate a little bit
more, but one beats the other in categories you would expect them to (LeBron
in PER, Durant in eFG% and TS%). As a measure of the extraordinary beginning
to their careers, only 24 players have a career PER above Durant’s 22.6.
Eight had higher than LeBron’s PER (25.2).
唯一显着的差距便是他们的助攻(LBJ6.6>KD2.8)和罚球命中率(KD.878>LBJ.728)
其他的数据是非常相似的。如果再检视更进一步的统计资料,对区分两者的差别
帮助不大,但在某些项目上谁比较强是可以预期的(ex:LBJ的效率值,KD的eFG值
和真实命中率值)。经过对两人卓越生涯的初期衡量下,只有24名球员的per值超过
KD的22.6,而8名球员超过LBJ的25.2。
Go to their playoff records and again, not much difference. Neither won a
championship—but to put it in perspective, Jordan was not a champion until
his seventh year in the league. LeBron made it to the Finals once and
Conference finals twice. Durant has advanced one round deeper into the
playoffs each year starting his third year in the league. Both had their own
jaw-dropping playoff performances, as well. And like their regular season
numbers, playoff stats are remarkably similar:
再来看看他们的季後赛成绩,再一次的发现,两人并无太大差别。
两人都没有得过冠军─但是从另一观点来看,Jordan也是在他的第
七年才拿到冠军。
LBJ进过总决赛一次、准决赛两次。KD则是越打越深入接近冠军赛。
两人都有让人瞠目结舌的季後赛成绩,而同样地,他们的季後赛成绩
也很相似:
Playoff per game statistics LeBron James Kevin Durant
Points 27.5 28.1
Rebounds 8.0 7.7
Assists 7.3 3.2
Steals 1.6 1.1
Blocks 0.8 1.2
FG percentage .433 .465
FT percentage .742 .854
Games played 46 43
But here, LeBron has the edge with a top-five playoff performance of all time
in his first five years in the league. So, with all of this in mind, who was
better? Stats and awards point to a wash but there are some unquantifiable
differences that help provide a marginal separation.
所以,谁是更好的?虽然统计和奖项已经看初一些端倪,但我们还可以
透过一些无法量化的差异,进一步分辨清楚。
LeBron James was an athletic monster who proved he could get to the rim at
will and was a gifted facilitator. Durant, on the other hand, was a pure
shooter whose length creates tough offensive mismatches. Defensively, LeBron
was more polished than Durant even though the rebounding, steals, and blocks
suggest equality. For one, defensive rating and defensive win shares both
favor LeBron.
LBJ是一个运动的怪物,总是证明了他能随心所欲的进到篮下,是一个
极具天赋的进攻者。KD,在另一方面,是一个纯粹的射手,以身高创造
强硬的进攻错位。在防守端,LBJ比KD更精练尽管篮板,抄截和火锅数据
上很相似。
Durant is definitely the better pure shooter but LeBron’s overall game gives
him the slight edge. And strictly in terms of performance, the then-Cavs star
made more happen with less surrounding pieces. Kevin Durant needed Westbrook
and Harden to make the playoffs. LeBron, in his first year making the
playoffs had the help of Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall,
and Larry Hughes. So even though the Western conference is more competitive
than the East, Durant had the luxury of playing with a host of other scorers
and defensively-minded players. Bottom line: if your franchise needs a player
and LeBron James and Kevin Durant are on the draft board, they would be taken
in the same order that they were on their respective draft days.
KD显然是更好的纯射手但LBJ的整体比赛能力让LBJ得到稍微的领先。
并严格从表现方面来看,LBJ算是由自己的能力带领骑士进入季後赛,
KD则需要RW和JH的帮忙才能进入季后赛。LBJ在他的第一年,队友是
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall,and Larry Hughes。
因此,即使普遍来说西区比较竞争,但KD却拥有豪华阵容的队友。
後记:如果你是GM,需要一个球员,LBJ和KD你会先选谁。
(此文是说仍然是LBJ NO.1 KD NO.2)
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心得:
随便找了篇来练习英文,
这篇主要是在讲生涯前五年LBJ比KD强
然后他认为LBJ NO.1 KD NO.2的选秀顺位即便是
两人放在同一期选也不会变
感觉目前能跟LBJ抗衡的全联盟大概就只有KD了
如果我是GM的话,当然是选LBJ
但我是球迷的话,
我希望KD可以再更成长,强到跟LBJ可以互相抗衡。
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来源:
http://www.basesandbaskets.com/2013/01/lebronvsdurant.html
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◆ From: 118.161.25.164
1F:推 shyshy :LBJ >> KD 03/29 17:32
2F:→ shyshy :当代最佳球员怎麽少了一位候选人?? 造反 03/29 17:32
3F:推 big1p :助功是2.8吧 03/29 17:32
※ 编辑: hao5566 来自: 118.161.25.164 (03/29 17:34)
4F:推 verydisco :比罚球数 KD大胜 03/29 17:32
5F:推 oeibei :只要裁判有凝 03/29 17:33
6F:推 sxing6326 :KD不靠罚球 就只是另一个Rashard Lewis 03/29 17:34
7F:推 lousen0068 :唯一显着的差距便是他们的助攻(LBJ6.6>KD1.2) 03/29 17:36
8F:→ shwkz :KD要是和LBJ组队就好了...和忍者龟组什麽队 03/29 17:36
9F:推 monHHH :金身王 03/29 17:36
10F:→ jtch :东LBJ 西Kobe 03/29 17:36
※ 编辑: hao5566 来自: 118.161.25.164 (03/29 17:38)
11F:→ lousen0068 :高中就能拿最佳大学球员 神 03/29 17:36
12F:→ verydisco :#1H7RAbh0 这场KD根本被LBJ打假的 03/29 17:37
13F:→ verydisco :只是後来用圆才有五成FG% 03/29 17:37
14F:推 lai162 :纯射手FTA9.4 LBJ FTA7.1 有没有射手的罚球数的八卦? 03/29 17:38
15F:推 callmedance :意思是说kobe还没退休 所以现在还是kobe的时代吗 03/29 17:39
16F:→ cola1230 :kobe季後赛都被打出去几次了 早就没人理他 03/29 17:40
17F:推 gn00945822 :应该不是kobe时代吧.. 今年湖人还在保老八 03/29 17:40
我是指话题的讨论方面,kobe现在仍然是话题焦点之一,而且他现在34(还35岁?)
打成这样确实让人关注。
※ 编辑: hao5566 来自: 118.161.25.164 (03/29 17:42)
18F:→ sxing6326 :从去年就已经是他们两人的时代了 老大今年抱大腿失败 03/29 17:42
19F:推 peadon :你是练翻译,但两人的差距根本不是这篇文章写的而以 03/29 17:42
20F:推 Gwendaline :KD拿掉罚球数後...嗯 03/29 17:42
21F:推 GianniC :Kobe可以比的上这两个人?? 我怕数据列出来又... 03/29 17:43
22F:推 Aceyalone :个人觉得啦~ 现阶段KD完全比不上LBJ吧......... 03/29 17:43
23F:推 opsddb :LBJ是1次总决赛,2次分区决赛才对,那段翻错了 03/29 17:44
阿...不知道为什麽我会翻成那样,谢谢你!
※ 编辑: hao5566 来自: 118.161.25.164 (03/29 17:45)
24F:→ shwkz :Kobe可惜了 组队找错人 自己又爱自干 队友又伤兵多 03/29 17:44
25F:→ sxing6326 :没哨子 KD命中率应该没五成 但不代表他的得分就会 03/29 17:45
26F:→ sxing6326 :下降很多 这点要先厘清 03/29 17:45
27F:推 lai162 :这篇明明是在讲LBJ跟KD 扯kobe出来救援是怎样啦 03/29 17:45
囧,我讲kobe的原因只是觉得他仍然受人关住啦,我删掉好了qq
28F:→ shwkz :Gasol和魔兽都不行 Nash又老 白花钱 03/29 17:46
※ 编辑: hao5566 来自: 118.161.25.164 (03/29 17:48)
29F:→ Aceyalone :为什麽每一篇都要提到kobe跟湖人啊... 有点烦耶 03/29 17:47
30F:推 super009 :还在揽X比豪大鸡腿 根本明显不是同水平............. 03/29 17:47
31F:→ bobyacool :还要Kobe退休喔? 早就是LBJ的天下了 至於KD也只是没 03/29 17:48
32F:→ bobyacool :人 硬要找出一个人来比而已 两个早就不同等级了 03/29 17:49
33F:推 KobeYaMeTe :一个摸毛就犯规 一个要用擒抱才能犯规 有啥好比的 03/29 17:49
34F:→ bobyacool :除了罚球 我实在找不出他哪里可以跟LBJ比? 03/29 17:49
35F:→ opsddb :KD早期的数据和打法比较像Dirk,神准无解的二楼跳投 03/29 17:49
※ 编辑: hao5566 来自: 118.161.25.164 (03/29 17:51)
36F:→ opsddb :,不错的篮板,罚球都很准。不过KD活动力较优,较多 03/29 17:50
37F:→ shwkz :好想看湖人VS热火 梦幻冠军赛对决 > < 要等到何时? 03/29 17:51
38F:推 GianniC :KD虽然比不上LBJ 但是数据应该不会输kobe 03/29 17:51
39F:→ opsddb :灌篮和3分球,司机则是较多中距离。不过封馆时KD和 03/29 17:51
40F:推 lai162 :抱歉楼主 我只是看到1F硬要扯kobe救援就很烦 没有要 03/29 17:51
41F:→ lai162 :呛楼主的意思 楼主翻译辛苦了 03/29 17:51
42F:→ opsddb :LBJ一起训练後开始朝全能进化,篮板助攻火锅抄截都上 03/29 17:52
43F:→ opsddb :升 03/29 17:52
44F:→ GianniC :没有LBJ 第一人可能就是KD 虽然哨音加持太大 03/29 17:53
45F:推 ax227762 :去年还比较接近 今年已经被LBJ拉开了 03/29 17:53
46F:嘘 SS159 :未看先嘘....论最强 竟然没提到科仙? 03/29 17:53
47F:→ JohnConnor :拿掉裁判 KD恐怕什麽都不是 03/29 17:54
48F:→ sxing6326 :LBJ不要再找KD了 看这样可不可以让他罚球少一点 真烦 03/29 17:54
49F:→ sxing6326 :LBJ不知道是不是要刻意迎合联盟塑造两人对抗的话题 03/29 17:55
50F:推 rdnsfan :KD只有三分跟罚球赢吧 03/29 17:55
51F:→ OyAlbert :没罚球的加成,KD拿什麽跟喇叭詹比? 03/29 17:55
52F:→ ch13 :KD虽然会念能力 可是宝杰不会就比他强了 03/29 17:56
53F:→ sxing6326 :没哨音 首先受影响的就是命中率跟罚球数 少了这两点 03/29 17:56
54F:→ sxing6326 :要维持高得分 就只能增加出手 这又会影响命中率 03/29 17:57
55F:→ shwkz :带队能力LeBron大胜 KD不像领袖型人物 他可是妈宝 03/29 17:58
56F:推 GianniC :反正命中率下降 还是可以用高出手弥补 Kobe Melo之 03/29 17:58
57F:→ GianniC :流不就是这样刷数据 我相信KD不会刷输他们 03/29 17:58
58F:→ shyshy :KOBE MELO 之流 XDDDDD 03/29 17:59
59F:→ gary360 :KD只能说是个得分主力 离掌控比赛还有一段差距 03/29 17:59
60F:→ sxing6326 :所以KD被高估的很严重 老大跟他比都算真材实料了 03/29 18:00
61F:→ shwkz :LeBron会叫他妈妈乖乖坐好看球 霸气十足 03/29 18:00
62F:→ JohnConnor :但LBJ只能管他妈妈在场边的行为@@ 03/29 18:01
63F:推 ice80712 :扯Kobe干嘛? 巅峰时期又不同 03/29 18:01
64F:推 GianniC :孝顺父母不是坏事 时代真的不同了 03/29 18:02
65F:推 RickyRubio09:LBJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Durant 03/29 18:02
66F:推 guluroach :BB有差 03/29 18:02
67F:推 lonelysam :kobe喔 天下第一不解释~ 03/29 18:03
68F:→ GianniC :不需要一直提到人家母亲吧 03/29 18:03
69F:→ shwkz :KD还是想办法甩掉忍者龟比较好 忍者龟不是好副手的料 03/29 18:05
70F:推 motoman :洋洋洒洒写了一大篇...但这些我们不都知道了? 03/29 18:05
71F:推 elfrose :推原po的翻译 但嘘原文 他们哪里相似了?罚球差太多 03/29 18:06
72F:推 kevinlai29 :我觉得现阶段能跟lbj比较的也只有他的队友兼爱人了 03/29 18:06
73F:推 waynecode :KD只靠罚球那是酸迷才会说的话 03/29 18:09
74F:推 minoru04 :常守蛛KD超恐怖的 03/29 18:11
75F:→ minoru04 :长手 03/29 18:11
76F:推 altoaizen :说只靠罚球是酸迷 把场均罚球数降到联盟平均值 看看 03/29 18:12
77F:→ altoaizen :平均得分会降多少 03/29 18:12
78F:→ altoaizen :场均罚球九次 以一个以投射为主要进攻手段的球员来说 03/29 18:14
79F:推 jyekid :你没考虑 裁判吹判会导致防守者降低防守避免被吹Foul 03/29 18:14
80F:→ altoaizen :根本是他妈的鬼扯!! 03/29 18:14
81F:→ altoaizen :吹啊吹的谁还敢贴过去防守 看你离我五尺远拔起来就射 03/29 18:15
82F:→ jyekid :君不见KD切入裁判没吹哨 一脸哀爸叫母的表情 03/29 18:15
83F:推 BLACKCAT0703:结论LBJ是怪物 当年的三英战吕布啊!!!!! 03/29 18:17
84F:推 rock0077 :KOBE纯粹是打铁方面 天下第一 俗称天下第一铁 03/29 18:19
85F:→ shyshy : LBJ KD KOBE = 浩克 雷神 钢铁人 03/29 18:20
86F:→ Aceyalone : 打铁人 03/29 18:21
87F:推 allen7257 :KD很可怜.要不是联盟捧他到大家倒胃口.他还真的不错 03/29 18:23
88F:推 MUCHMONEY :可怜个屁 球迷算啥 洗成绩拿大约最重要 03/29 18:26
89F:推 rahim :KD没3哨加持的话,跟LBJ完全是不同等级的球员... 03/29 18:29
90F:→ paso :0:1 03/29 18:30
91F:→ White1stMan :KD有哨也不是LBJ这等级的 老实说LBJ的确是目前第一人 03/29 18:31
92F:→ White1stMan :而且其他所以人都和他有段距离 实在没啥好比的 03/29 18:32
93F:→ White1stMan : 有 03/29 18:32
94F:→ shyshy :LBJ >> KD+哨子 但 KD 没哨也是联盟第二人 03/29 18:34
95F:→ shyshy :那是因为宝杰太强了 实力跟乔丹差不多 03/29 18:34
96F:推 Aceyalone :西河:联盟第二人!? 03/29 18:34
97F:推 garnett78 :LBJ果然很会刷例行赛命中率0.467 季後赛露出手脚 03/29 18:35
98F:→ garnett78 :剩0.433 03/29 18:35
99F:→ shyshy :西河只有打铁或失误是第二人吧 03/29 18:35
100F:推 dosomethnig : 比圆 KD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LBJ 03/29 18:37
101F:推 oicecnir :宝杰现今第一人..想不到KD怎麽尬过他的理由 03/29 18:37
102F:推 Drexler :选KD呀 选一个却同时能上场四人 03/29 18:38
103F:→ raylock1216 :KD这一季感觉不太行...常常守到西河= = 03/29 18:40
104F:推 serendipity :KD神恐怖 带来的胜率增加更胜lbj 而且还年轻 03/29 18:41
105F:推 yeiloud :LBJ乐胜吧 03/29 18:41
106F:推 RBC54321 :KD菜鸟年得分也没等於第二第三得分点相加吧... 03/29 18:42
107F:→ RBC54321 :除非是说总数 那还较接近...平均的话 其实也还好吧 03/29 18:43
108F:推 s66449 :反观LAODA 03/29 18:48
109F:→ serendipity :老大没几年就拿到总冠军了 谢谢指教 03/29 18:48
110F:推 shyshy :Laoda现在连反观的资格都没有了拉.... 03/29 18:49
111F:推 HsiangFly :史上最佳:KB 次佳:MJ 最糙老:LBJ 最有爱:KD 03/29 18:49
112F:推 goodawp1 :LeBron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KD 03/29 18:59
113F:推 abcorz :MJ>LBJ>KD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KB 03/29 19:01
114F:推 aifor3 :孙悦最强,第一年就拿冠军 03/29 19:03
115F:推 lucifershen :Kd看不出来会不会打逆风球 逆风都有3人代打 03/29 19:05
116F:→ Duncan7406 :KD这两年才有打出巨星的架式 反倒是2010年时才被高估 03/29 19:06
117F:→ Duncan7406 :金身在KD打第二年後半就有了 不过那时候他不红就是了 03/29 19:07
118F:推 windgodvocx1:KD is my love 03/29 19:08
119F:→ Duncan7406 :不知道很多人看待他的标准是怎样 但是事实就是目前扣 03/29 19:11
120F:→ Duncan7406 :掉裁判他也还是联盟第二人 即便他离LBJ有一大差距 03/29 19:11
121F:推 loquito :Lebron 比乔丹还强了,因为这年代太弱 03/29 19:12
122F:→ shyshy :LBJ传球 快攻 防守 空切 射篮 切入 全包= = 03/29 19:13
123F:→ shyshy :根本就没招可以练了 KD其实也是很强了 03/29 19:13
124F:→ Duncan7406 :金身酸归酸 在KD生涯里裁判给他的待遇倒是始终如一 03/29 19:14
125F:→ Acer3000 :根本没有可比性. KD is good. LBJ is better. 03/29 19:16
126F:嘘 Leonala :看看数据KD差多了吧 更别说得分扣掉罚球了 03/29 19:17
127F:→ Leonala :按错等等补推 03/29 19:17
128F:推 vux :LBJ全包 还作的比专职好 想也知道选谁 03/29 19:17
129F:推 yuyumagic424:扯Kobe干嘛 这篇是在讲天下第一耶 03/29 19:44
130F:嘘 CCFACE :只有打国际赛的时候我会觉得KD有统治力 03/29 19:44
131F:推 TokyoKind :念能力KD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LBJ 03/29 19:51
132F:→ sxing6326 :看看KD 第一年没金身的时候 那种命中率 根本呵呵 03/29 19:54
133F:推 nccuwade :LBJ比较好 乐胜 03/29 19:54
134F:→ sxing6326 :没金身就是另一个两千万 是说他也绝对值两千万就是了 03/29 19:55
135F:推 hypersonic :选KD 然後LBJ 会 选择 来我这队 03/29 19:58
136F:推 garnett78 :要比打铁 第一年LBJ比KD铁喔 先去查查数据吧 03/29 20:06
137F:嘘 demon616 :要比可以 但老实说 这样的数据称不上类似= = 03/29 20:07
138F:推 elfrose :serendipity真的是反串的吧?我观察很久了说 03/29 20:08
139F:推 jack19931993:LBJ可以打五个位置又便宜 缺点是没裁判爱 03/29 20:09
140F:推 izuuinhayato: 看KD打球实在很无聊 03/29 20:22
141F:推 GianniC :看KD打球要听裁判花俏的哨音才好看 宛如交响乐般 03/29 20:24
142F:推 izuuinhayato:扣掉裁判的话, LBJ>TP>KD 03/29 20:28
143F:推 yobdc :KD真的很会要犯规,很有技巧的要!胡子溪河都学他的 03/29 20:35
144F:→ chink5566 :罚球数KD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 03/29 20:41
145F:推 GUDU :LBJ如果能拿到和KD一样的哨音 应该会成为NBA史上最 03/29 20:46
146F:→ GUDU :威猛的超级怪物 预测场均接近40分 03/29 20:47
147F:推 kilid :有哨音加持→不仅防守者动辄得咎 还可无人防守得分 03/29 20:51
148F:→ kilid :这种方式拿得分王 进而成为超级巨星 似乎名不副实 03/29 20:52
149F:推 mingc43 :NBA版真的怎样都能扯到Kobe 03/29 20:57
150F:推 harry200233 :一个靠裁判,怎麽比,比念力吗 ?????? 03/29 21:00
151F:→ harry200233 :一逆风就BBBBBBBBBBBBBBB 03/29 21:00
152F:嘘 bamboo313 :你是在后什麽啊 03/29 21:02
153F:推 lcy317 :其实很明显LBJ无论是数据还是对比赛的影响力>KD 03/29 21:08
154F:→ lcy317 :就连季後赛两人交手也是LBJ赢 03/29 21:08
155F:→ lcy317 :会拿KD跟LBJ比是因为他们这个世代就是他们最突出了 03/29 21:09
156F:→ lcy317 :除非KD能有新的搭档 不然两队总决赛交手8成热火赢 03/29 21:11
157F:推 kinsman :KD没转队,完胜 03/29 21:21
158F:嘘 kusami :LBJ大胜 没啥好比 03/29 21:26
159F:推 kusami :补推回来 不过这种文总是一堆人要扯老大哈哈 03/29 21:29
160F:→ kusami :说真的看老大败球打铁都比BBB好看 虽然最近老大也很B 03/29 21:30
161F:嘘 linchenjuin :拿靠裁判的比 别污辱LBJ谢谢 03/29 21:41
162F:→ linchenjuin :作弊骗裁判 还要靠媒体当妈宝来装乖 恶心 03/29 21:42
163F:→ Duncan7406 :五年前也是常拿LBJ来比Kobe 那时捧科贬LBJ的不计其数 03/29 21:42
164F:→ Duncan7406 :现在看来只是角色换一下 这边风气还是不变~~ 03/29 21:43
165F:推 GianniC :五年前的Kobe跟LBJ就已经很缺乏可比性了 03/29 21:45
166F:推 d88647511 :LBJ有数据 KB有冠军戒 还可以比 你拿一个数据跟冠军 03/29 21:45
167F:→ d88647511 :都输的 是要比甚麽 03/29 21:45
168F:→ GianniC :LBJ 2008-09 的 PER 是 31.7 是史上第四好的成绩 03/29 21:47
169F:→ GianniC :我看不出Kobe看得到车尾灯 03/29 21:47
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