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※ [本文转录自 NBA 看板 #1FgEmVeY ] 作者: chieher (阿路加:我要去美国) 看板: NBA 标题: [外絮] CP3 for MVP? 时间: Tue May 8 17:49:16 2012 NBA MVP Race 2012: Chris Paul Deserves Basketball's Most Prestigious Award http://tinyurl.com/7rh97cn The race to be named the MVP of the 2011-12 NBA season has long been discussed as a two-man tilt between LeBron James and Kevin Durant, but what about Chris Paul? 2011-12的NBA MVP话题总是绕着两个人转:LBJ vs KD 小保罗呢? You know, the guy who singlehandedly transformed the Los Angeles Clippers from the laughing stock of the league into a team that nearly nabbed home-court advantage in the first round of the playoffs? 把快艇队从大家的笑柄,拯救为季後赛雄狮的「那个人」 CP3 4 MVP Yeah, that Chris Paul. His presence has been the one significant difference between this season and last, between a team that lost 61 percent of its games and missed the playoffs and a team that won nearly 61 percent of its games and reached the postseason for the eighth time in franchise history, and only the fifth time since moving to LA. 小保罗的出现让快艇有了巨大的变化 去年季赛快艇输了61%的比赛,而今年他们赢了61%,并闯进了季後赛 Mind you, CP3 helped to engineer such a massive turnaround during a lockout-shortened season, with all of two weeks to get acclimated to his new surroundings in training camp before the 66-game schedule began in earnest. Chauncey Billups, his most accomplished teammate and a fellow newbie to the team, went down with a ruptured Achilles' tendon in early February, leaving Mo Williams and Caron Butler (fresh off an ACL tear) as the next-most senior members of the squad as far as postseason experience is concerned. Mr. Big Shot在二月初就因伤倒下了 Meanwhile, Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan, the two young cornerstones of the franchise, actually showed some signs of regression. Griffin, in particular, took statistical steps back across the board, most notably at the free throw, though he still checked in as the league's seventh-most efficient player (23.4 PER, according to Basketball Reference). Griffin 和 Jordan 事实上出现了一些下滑的徵兆,特别是 Griffin Griffin 今年的罚球只有 52.1% (去年是64.2%) Griffin's incompetence in crunch time left Paul to carry the load. According to 82games.com, CP3 averaged 40.6 points, 6.0 rebounds and 8.8 assists per 48 minutes of clutch time, which is defined as "4th quarter or overtime, less than five minutes left, neither team ahead by more than five points." Griffin 在关键时刻起不了作用,小保罗就只能担起责任了 在clutch time, 小保罗的PER 48:40.6分 6.0篮板 8.8助攻 (clutch time的定义:在第四节或OT, 终了时间低於5分钟, 任一队领先不超过5分) But frankly, trying to make CP3's case from a purely statistical standpoint is a losing battle. Paul certainly has nothing to be ashamed of, not after averaging 19.8 points, 9.1 assists, 3.6 rebounds and a league-best 2.5 steals while ranking second in player efficiency rating, second in win shares, second in offensive rating and first in offensive win shares. All while finishing well outside the top 20 in the NBA in usage percentage. In other words, Paul did more with less than most. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What About 'Bron? LBJ 咧? Jeff Zelevansky/Getty Images LeBron, on the other hand, had a statistical season for the ages. The Miami Heat superstar strung together per-game averages of 27.1 rebounds, 7.9 rebounds, 6.2 assists and 1.9 steals on a career-high 53.1 percent shooting from the field. As far as advanced metrics are concerned, James finished first in PER, seventh in offensive and defensive rating, second in offensive and defensive win shares and first in overall win shares, all while registering the league's third-highest usage rate. So, from a purely statistical standpoint, LeBron was the best player in the league. LBJ的数据是毫无疑问的领先,如果由数据来看,LBJ是最好的球员 But "best" and "most valuable" aren't necessarily one in the same. The Heat were the No. 2 seed in the East last season, and are the No. 2 seed once again this time around, though their win percentage dipped (however marginally) from .707 to .697. 但是 最好的球员 最有价值球员 Surely, LeBron's efforts were highly valuable, especially given Dwyane Wade's recurrent injury problems, Chris Bosh's inability to do much of anything in the paint and the rest of the roster's general impotence. Still, in the grand scheme of things, James' play didn't do quite as much to move the needle as did CP3's. LeBron had another great year, yet the Heatles couldn't quite sneak past the often-Derrick-Rose-less Chicago Bulls to snag the top seed in the East. Also, there's no discounting that Wade—when healthy— played a huge part in keeping Miami at or near the top of the heap, a fact to which his PER of 26.3 (third-best in the NBA) is a clear testament. LBJ 今年还是很打得很棒,但热火还是没有干掉公牛,成为第一种子 更别提LBJ 身边还有一个 Wade - PER排名第三的球员 Making the jump from second to first may be tougher than going from 13th to fifth, as the Clippers did with Paul, but the sheer size of the gap closed has to speak to CP3's superiority, however slight, with regard to MVP candidacy. 要从第2升到第1,也许比从第13升到第5还难(CP3的快艇) 但这排名上的变动,也事关谁更有资格拿MVP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Love for the Durantula KD 咧? Ronald Martinez/Getty Images What about Kevin Durant, then? title by pouring in 28 points per game, with career-highs in field goal percentage (.496), rebounds (eight per game), assists (3.5 per game) and blocks (1.2 per game). Along the way, the Durantula registered the fourth-best PER, the 20th-best defensive rating, the third-most offensive win share, the ninth-most defensive win shares and the third-most win shares overall with the fifth-highest usage rate. KD 今年PER排名第4 As far as teammates are concerned, Durant had the privilege of playing with one guy (Russell Westbrook) who's one of the top-10 guys in the league, another (James Harden) who's arguably in the top-20 and a third (Serge Ibaka) who's one of the most impactful defenders in basketball. In total, OKC's win percentage jumped from .671 to .721, landing them second in the West behind the San Antonio Spurs. 但只要队友是考虑因素之一,KD 队友的优势就很明显 他身边有一个联盟前10的队友(西河)、还有Harden和Ibaka From a numbers standpoint then, Durant falls somewhere near CP3, though Kevin's team that, unlike Chris', reached the playoffs in each of previous two seasons, making it all the way to the conference finals last year. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ultimately, Paul's case for the MVP can best be made like that of your typical Coach of the Year (not including the job Gregg Popovich did with the Spurs this year). Like a coach on an up-and-coming team, CP3 came into a brand-new situation, with a team that hadn't so much as sniffed the postseason the year before, and constituted a significant portion of the difference between last season's mediocrity and this season's meteoric rise. 如果 MVP 的产生跟 COY 类似,是看这个人对球队带来多大帮助,那CP3就很有机会了。 It's not often that a player wins the MVP in his first season with a new team, but with the way the Clippers have improved with Chris Paul in the backcourt, Who should be the MVP? 所以,MVP 该颁给谁? 1. Chris Paul 2. LeBron James 3. Kevin Durant --



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1F:推 brokenback3 :应该是LBJ或KD 05/08 17:50
2F:推 KevinLoveYou:ㄏㄏ 05/08 17:50
3F:推 qscxz :KD for 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 05/08 17:51
4F:推 shyshy :4.Bobe Bryant 05/08 17:51
5F:推 nagisanoff :给LBJ啦 05/08 17:52
6F:推 Yukirin :LBJ啊 05/08 17:52
7F:→ nagisanoff :有魔咒 05/08 17:52
8F:推 howsiao :非常同意这篇. 可惜投票的人最终还是会乱投 05/08 17:52
9F:推 afdm1234 :CP3本季还差得远 05/08 17:52
10F:推 brokenback3 :LBJ拿的话 可能会破魔咒 05/08 17:52
11F:推 wincecarter :KD for 3!!!!!!!!!! 05/08 17:53
12F:推 yankees21 :CP3早该给他一座MVP了 太威了 05/08 17:53
13F:嘘 RichWomen : 当然是林书豪 他两次登上运动画刊封面耶 05/08 17:53
14F:推 jkiop79315 :数据就最显眼阿 毕竟很多隐藏价值很难表现出来 05/08 17:53
15F:→ lonelycoffee:cp3不是和书豪一个等级的吗>////< 05/08 17:54
16F:推 kinanson :快艇如果握cp3换成lbj的话,我想快艇会更强 05/08 17:54
17F:推 rich780501 :还不是08年抠比抢了CP3的 不然CP3早有MVP了 05/08 17:54
18F:→ blockline :影帝不是会帮助队友~怎麽跟萎德同时上场好像? 05/08 17:54
19F:推 kullan :08年的MVP真的应该给CP3 而不是Lao-da 05/08 17:54
20F:→ kinanson :那热火把lbj换成cp3会更强吗?这可就不一定了 05/08 17:54
21F:→ rich780501 :不过要是我选我会给LBJ 05/08 17:54
22F:推 fegat :季後赛不算阿 明年请早 05/08 17:55
23F:→ DM1984 :CP3缺一个MVP 但LBJ数据太可怕 05/08 17:55
24F:→ kullan :我确定把Chalmers换成CP3会更强 05/08 17:55
25F:推 louis123321 :08年黄蜂战绩超越湖人就会是Cp3的了 可惜没做到 05/08 17:55
26F:推 KevinLoveYou:Kobe黑走cp3的mvp 05/08 17:55
27F:→ cslf20 :CP3 05/08 17:56
28F:→ louis123321 :所以颁给湖人的领袖 同时也没有拿过MVP的kobe 05/08 17:56
29F:推 kasumi28 :111111111111111111111111111111111 05/08 17:56
30F:推 rufus7 :08年例行赛尾声黄蜂对湖人 黄蜂自己没拿下来 怪谁 05/08 17:56
31F:→ wincecarter :也没黑走吧 就战绩论啊 那年湖人强过黄蜂啊 05/08 17:56
32F:推 steven610381:KOBE又开始救援了 整篇没kobe也能救援 05/08 17:56
33F:推 phoenician :当然是KD阿 跟西河同队数据还能这麽威 05/08 17:57
34F:推 ice80712 :08年给KB有什麽不对的 比战绩湖人>黄蜂阿 05/08 17:57
35F:→ louis123321 :08年给kobe对於那些专家来说没什麽不对 但对於ptt 05/08 17:57
36F:→ louis123321 :专业的酸民来说 简直大错大错... 05/08 17:58
37F:推 cjxx :如果用隐藏数据的话 TP应该也要列入阿 05/08 17:58
38F:推 bamboo313 :Kobe抢走CP3...?照你这样说 去年我也可以说ROSE 05/08 17:58
39F:推 rufus7 :08年 CP3就是输在战绩比人差 没啥好争的了 05/08 17:58
40F:→ bamboo313 :抢走林书豪的MVP阿 05/08 17:59
41F:推 Headquarter :27.1 points吧? 05/08 17:59
42F:推 KevinLoveYou:专家只是训练有素的kobe 05/08 17:59
43F:→ cmid05 :CP3本季感觉有段时间还在调适(打得比较客气) 05/08 17:59
44F:推 shyshy :老大那年拿MVP实至名归阿 等级和ROSE不相上下 05/08 18:01
45F:嘘 ericcharng :看到CP3只能虚了 等级也差太多 要捧也不是这样 05/08 18:01
46F:→ howsiao :保罗季赛只是保留实力而已 05/08 18:02
47F:推 KevinLoveYou:楼上迷迷 05/08 18:03
48F:推 MINAMIKE :总板的"那个人"只有一个 05/08 18:03
49F:→ xxyyzz4901 :MVP魔咒 05/08 18:04
50F:推 musichour :这篇文章偏颇的要命 LBJ数据超好对球队也有帮助就酸 05/08 18:04
51F:→ howsiao :最近大家都看到季後赛和关键时刻的保罗了吧 05/08 18:04
52F:→ honeydog7772:没道理不颁个MVP给他 05/08 18:04
53F:嘘 PureTrue :kobe那座应该给cp3的 05/08 18:05
54F:→ musichour :战绩输公牛 这不是典型的酸文吗避开优点硬挑缺点 05/08 18:05
55F:→ ssskav :cp3这季应该比较想要fmvp吧?XD 05/08 18:06
56F:→ musichour :08年给CP3完全没话说 今年输LBJ太多了吧 05/08 18:06
57F:→ Ommmmm :不可能 Kobe那座也是应得的 不要再说CP3了 05/08 18:09
58F:推 stocktonty :如果加上这次第一轮的成绩 CP3也许有资格拿 XD 05/08 18:10
59F:推 Bifrost :当年湖人季末例行赛打赢黄蜂 也是颁给kobe MVP的原因 05/08 18:13
60F:→ Bifrost :之一 05/08 18:13
61F:→ shwkz :MVP大部份都给东西区12名 快艇的排名也想抢MVP? 哈 05/08 18:14
62F:嘘 ARODisGod :没提到LaoDa 失败 05/08 18:16
63F:推 LBJ23 :Cluth time for 48 mins这种算法 算出的数据太自慰 05/08 18:16
64F:→ LBJ23 :了 05/08 18:16
65F:推 shyshy :只好推楼上 数据有48的都蛮虾的... 05/08 18:17
66F:推 mikekyoa :08年那座MVP几乎可以说是看湖人黄蜂那一场KB不但赢了 05/08 18:17
67F:推 superjohnny :CP3当年是数据太鬼神了吧..而他的影响力确实值得 05/08 18:18
68F:推 trylin :Kobe Bryant 05/08 18:18
69F:推 nagisanoff :CP3今年拿FMVP我请前10推吃鸡排+珍奶 05/08 18:18
70F:→ mikekyoa :比赛,数据也比下CP3。黑走这种说法很无知 05/08 18:18
71F:→ nagisanoff :当然不包括我 05/08 18:18
72F:推 langeo :当年原本就是CP3该拿MVP... 05/08 18:19
73F:嘘 hirdaramani :那年没拿到还不黑吗 05/08 18:19
74F:→ jamesyu545 :YA 05/08 18:21
75F:推 reversy :你说你楼下喔 05/08 18:22
76F:→ chieher :原作者不能推 sad QQ 05/08 18:22
77F:推 acess23 :快艇滥报了 05/08 18:22
78F:推 bfetter : 05/08 18:22
79F:推 yobi :CP3最接近MVP的那年被A走了 05/08 18:23
80F:推 superjohnny :推这篇吗 科科 等机排了 05/08 18:24
81F:推 krajicek :CP3今年第一队有机会吧,Rose大概没办法(缺赛太多) 05/08 18:24
82F:→ howsiao :保罗今年没第一队的话, 联盟可以去吃屎了 05/08 18:26
83F:推 seabox :难讲 TP也有可能第一队 05/08 18:26
84F:→ seabox :不过考量人气+实力应该是CP3是第一队 05/08 18:26
85F:推 tliu223 :这种评判标准才助长了MVP得主拿不到总冠军之风啊w 05/08 18:27
86F:推 EndlessYearn:不可能 1.球队不是分区冠军 2.也不是分组冠军 05/08 18:32
87F:推 afdm1234 :今天也没有特别比往年强~~没进第一队也正常 05/08 18:37
88F:→ afdm1234 :今年 05/08 18:37
89F:推 leo255112 :快艇不太可能打到总冠军赛... 05/08 18:37
90F:推 jetrider :写得不错,但MVP还是LBJ的~ 05/08 18:43
91F:推 shangyen :CP3之前那座MVP被强奸犯黑走了 就知道有乱投 05/08 18:44
92F:→ dogville :数据和战绩都输 凭什麽拿? 要论影响力 多的人有资格 05/08 18:46
93F:推 stocktonty :比起08 我还比较想翻案2010 FINAL MVP 05/08 18:47
94F:嘘 Rizzi :想太多,联盟只想要明星拿MVP,不然Kidd和CP3早拿到了 05/08 18:50
95F:推 jetrider :CP3是明星啊,Kidd和CP3星度不能比吧? 05/08 18:55
96F:嘘 ericcharng :讲的好像那年黄蜂拿冠军一样 什麽叫助长拿不到冠军风 05/08 18:56
97F:推 gn02335338 :Kidd以前也拿过MVP第二名 为什麽不能比 05/08 18:57
98F:推 louis123321 :Kidd在篮网时的星度...哪里不是明星...? 05/08 18:58
99F:推 jetrider :我不是说实力,是说联盟观点的明星光辉 05/08 18:58
100F:推 ice80712 :同时期跟Kidd竞争的对手太强 大欧 TD AI 05/08 18:59
101F:推 kerkersoul :狗鼻MVP那年 湖人要是有球员是MVP最该得的是嘎兽 05/08 18:59
102F:→ louis123321 :他那时候我觉得很红阿 05/08 18:59
103F:→ jetrider :好吧我觉得我的话有点引战的感觉,不要理我XD 05/08 18:59
104F:推 Rizzi :Kidd和CP3星度当然够,但比上当年的TD和KB就是较黯淡 05/08 18:59
105F:→ allenJr :这种观点的话,魔兽也可以排很前呀,魔术整个崩溃耶 05/08 19:01
106F:→ AriesC :马後炮 05/08 19:02
107F:→ allenJr :再说MVP是给例行赛的,给LBJ或是KD才比较正常吧 05/08 19:03
108F:推 manyun :这篇是在害cp3吗= = 怎麽看都lbj的数据比较好 05/08 19:04
109F:→ capirex :老大要拿FMVP好嘛~~~~ 05/08 19:05
110F:推 kerkersoul :狗鼻都可以A别人MVP了 CP3就不能拿回来吗?? 05/08 19:06
111F:推 ThreeNG :Kobe拿MVP那年Gasol转队到湖人後才打了27场 05/08 19:06
112F:→ ThreeNG :史上还没有球员光打27场就拿MVP的 05/08 19:06
113F:→ kerkersoul :LBJ有需要那麽多MVP?? 我只承认他是上半季MVP 05/08 19:06
114F:推 kerkersoul :有阿~只是那季不是给嘎兽而已 05/08 19:09
115F:推 zed9104 :LBJ会拿MVP 虽然CP3在快艇影响力比LBJ在热火大 05/08 19:11
116F:推 Proakis :快艇是CP3得球队还是BG的球队阿? 05/08 19:12
117F:→ Proakis :BG=Jeter CP3=A-Rod? 05/08 19:13
118F:推 ecbytesan :jordan= 波沙达 05/08 19:17
119F:推 ahwan :看成MWP @@" 05/08 19:32
120F:→ zzzaaaqqq111:MO=Rivera 05/08 19:32
121F:推 moon963 :只是LBJ今年季赛数据太强大了 大概还是LBJ拿吧 05/08 19:33
122F:推 djcc : 当然还是喇叭阿 喇叭去快艇也做得到 05/08 20:10
123F:嘘 linkelvin :黑艇还想出个mvp? 第2轮就掰了 05/08 20:16
124F:嘘 imhere :没资格吧 05/08 20:33
125F:嘘 HeavenIs :讲得好像西区第一种子还是总冠军一样 05/08 20:33
126F:推 l04 :其实扣掉cp 快艇阵容也是内外兼备 况且季末战绩下滑 05/08 20:33
127F:嘘 woo123woo :一堆詹迷在自嗨.... MVP绝对是KD 05/08 20:39
128F:推 qoop3 :会是KD无误 05/08 20:41
129F:推 woo123woo :当KD夺回得分王时 更加确定MVP是KD(没拿MVP也是KD) 05/08 20:44
130F:推 phelyl :「提升队友」的讲法太抽象了 PER还比较有参考价值 05/08 20:50
131F:→ god2 :LBJ 05/08 20:53
132F:推 katanakiller:08年老大就赢在战绩和少座MVP造神CP3还年轻... 05/08 20:59
133F:推 gordon27 :篮球真的有不少无法用数据呈现的东西 05/08 20:59
134F:嘘 ice80712 :笑死人了 某人自以为比espn网站还专业 05/08 21:24
135F:推 bennybennyb :当然是书豪葛格阿 带尼克进季後赛耶 05/08 22:06
136F:嘘 CourtneyLee :嘘抠鼻黑走CP3一座MVP 05/08 22:24
137F:→ zealeliot :CP3真的强 不过第二轮应该还是过不了马刺 05/08 22:31
138F:推 ko232 :自以为专业的迷迷们~08年给科神也有意见~主观意识 05/08 22:42
139F:嘘 gn03620685 :裁判才是真正MVP 05/08 22:48
140F:→ pounil :CP3 关键时刻之神 05/08 22:49
141F:推 wadecp3 :08年KOBE真的要感谢湖人GM和嘎兽 05/08 23:12
142F:→ skcwebb :为什麽会有人认为Kidd和CP3不能比?乡民都太年轻了? 05/08 23:53
143F:推 magicchen :去叫KOBE把08年MVP还给CP3阿 05/08 23:55
144F:嘘 jameskoko :光是LBJ有WADE这队友数据还这样真不知道有啥好选 05/09 00:21
145F:嘘 heacoun :CP3下辈子吧 05/09 00:31
146F:嘘 ko232 :CP3在NBA有创下什麽震惊世人的吗??跟KOBE比~呵呵 05/09 00:34
147F:推 blueteddy :以CP3领导球队与压力下的沉稳度 绝对有资格是MVP!! 05/09 01:09
148F:推 blueteddy :哈哈 林书豪差远了 跟CP根本不同等级 05/09 01:12
149F:→ piercingX :下辈子吧 是有多强? 05/09 01:15
150F:→ piercingX :上一次有PG拿到MVP是谁呀?这十年二十年有谁? 05/09 01:16
151F:→ chieher : ↑去年的Rose阿........... 05/09 01:18
152F:推 minamix :LBJ+1 05/09 01:29
153F:嘘 wacidila :纯嘘酸民跳针 05/09 01:39
154F:推 GianniC :看看LBJ防守的位置 可以1号守到5号 CP3就输死了 05/09 03:36
155F:→ GianniC :把防守的价值跟弹性放上去 CP3完全就不用说了... 05/09 03:37
156F:推 blueteddy :光看到heat有LBJ+DW+CB 还赢不了公牛 就哭哭了 05/09 07:11
157F:→ blueteddy :篮球是teamwork 不是个人秀 谁能以个人力量让整个 05/09 07:11
158F:→ blueteddy :团队发挥最大效益 才是真正的 M V P! 05/09 07:11
159F:推 transformer8:谁在跟你比防守价值阿 没办法一个人打五个位置该死喔 05/09 08:42
160F:推 aska1219 :竟然有人说kidd的星度跟CP3不能比? 国中生吗? 05/09 11:30



※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc)
※ 转录者: Paraguay (58.114.81.143), 时间: 05/09/2012 11:49:19
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