作者doodoohow ()
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标题[外电] 关於Artest加入湖人的分析文
时间Sat Jul 4 01:55:23 2009
其实两人都不太算很有逻辑
出现了很多的「我觉得」
另外就是反对方某些论点让我怀疑
他到底有没有对湖人跟Artest做过功课
还是只是有话想说就凭印象说了
虽然他是个专职NBA分析师= =
http://0rz.tw/XDSsM
不支持方:David Thorpe
* "I don't think the Lakers are suddenly better, even assuming Lamar Odom
is back. What is chemistry worth? Five points? Ten points? I argue it's a
difference maker. If you win by eight, maybe chemistry was worth nine. I'm
not saying Ron will be a jerk, I don't think he will be. But I do know that
for this team to succeed he'll have to play a role, and I don't know how
he'll be at that."
「就算Lamar没跑掉,我也不觉得湖人会忽然就变强。化学效应能干嘛?五分?十分?
我认为有绝对性的差异。如果你赢八分,也许化学效应帮你拿了九分。我不是说
Artest是个杂碎,也不觉得他是(赶快补这一句)。但我知道他的球队想要成功他就
必须扮演他的角色,而我不知道他要怎麽做到。」
* "Trevor Ariza has much better shot selection than Artest, and the ball
tends to stop with Ron. Now, the Lakers have Phil Jackson, but a coach only
has so much energy. Think of it like a bottle of water. When it's empty, it's
freaking empty. If Phil Jackson has to spend a lot of his energy stopping Ron
from taking stupid shots, that means he's not putting energy and focus into
other things that make the Lakers better."
「Ariza在攻击选择上比Artest好多了,因为球到Artest手上就有去无回了。湖人是有
个Phil没错,但教练就只有这麽多能量而已。想像一下有一瓶水。如果他是空的,他
就是空的。如果Phil在调教爱乱喷的Artest的时候把体力都榨乾了,那他就没办法把
那些精力拿来让湖人更好。」
* "We don't know if Trevor Ariza just made some shots last season, or has
actually improved as a shooter. But if he is now a much improved shooter, he
has superstar potential."
「我们并不知道Ariza是运气好喷进了那些三分还是真的作为一个射手进步了。但是如果
他是真的有进步的话,那他有着成为超级明星的潜力。」
* "The Lakers didn't run much triangle last year, and I assume they'll
run even less now. Ron Artest is a very instinctive player, and the triangle
is not a very instinctive system."
「湖人上一季没打那麽多三角,而现在我看他们会打更少了。Artest是个凭直觉打球的
人,而三角并不是个靠直觉来进行的战术。」
支持方:作者
* Now, basically every key Laker but Derek Fisher is big, strong and
effective in the post. That might not seem like a big deal, but it's really
throwing down the gauntlet to opponents. The NBA has a lot of players who
really don't want to be isolated on defense in the post (choosing from likely
playoff opponents, think about the likes of Carmelo Anthony, say, or Rudy
Fernandez -- also consider the Rockets played Aaron Brooks and Carl Landry
together). But it will always be a threat, and the hard-cutting Lakers work
well as a team to make opponents pay for doubling the post.
「基本上除了Fish之外,每一个湖人的重要球员都高壮而且能打低位。这看起来不是什
麽大事,但对於对手来说很伤。NBA很多球员都不喜欢一对一守低位(以季後赛对手来
看就是Melo,Fernandez,Brooks跟Landry)。但这是个武器,对於切入频繁的湖人来
说,他们会让包夹低位的对手付出代价。」
* Keeping Kobe Bryant in peak form is the most important thing for the
Lakers. Artest can guard anyone Bryant can guard, meaning the Lakers will
have constant opportunities to protect Bryant from wear and tear.
「保持Kobe的巅峰其对湖人来说是最重要的事情。Kobe能守的Artest就能守,所以也可
以以此让Kobe远离不必要的伤痛。」
* As Hollinger points out, the Lakers have some opponents of note
(Anthony and Brandon Roy come to mind) against whom Artest is a very
effective defender. He can also spend some time trying to harness some of the
point guards who give Derek Fisher trouble.
「Hollinger指出,Artest对於湖人的某些对手,像是Melo跟Roy,挺在行的。他也可以
花点时间去尝试防守那些给Fisher找麻烦的控卫。」
* Plenty of NBA players seem to follow a trend of being young and crazy
when they're new to the league -- just the money itself is thrill enough.
Some never leave that mode. But more than a few times, we have seen players
age into really caring about winning. No one wants to be remembered as a
loser. Ron Artest has not won a ring. Now is his time to prove he can. No, he
won't be in a contract year, but he'll have plenty to prove.
「很多NBA球员在刚进来的时候都会人来疯,毕竟光是一大笔钱就够嗨了。有些人永远
离不开那个状态。但我们经常看到球员是想要赢球的,没有人想要被当成废咖。
Artest还没拿到戒指,而现在是他证明自己的时候。纵使不是合约年,他还是有很多
等着他去证明的事情。」
* Thorpe makes a great point about Phil Jackson having to expend a lot of
energy. But watching "Kobe Doin' Work" convinced me (even if that wasn't a
typical game, with the cameras and all) that Kobe Bryant has ascended to some
other level of team control. If Artest is jacking shots, isn't he going to
hear about it from Bryant first? And isn't Bryant the kind of guy who would
have credibility with Artest?
「Thorpe说Phil需要花不少心思在Artest身上,这点没什麽问题。但如果你看过Kobe
Doin' Work你就知道Kobe在带领球队上已经进化到另一个等级了。如果Artest乱喷,
他得先过Kobe这一关,而Kobe岂不就是那种能收伏Artest的人吗?」
* Ron Artest was at his worst two years ago in Sacramento. He was not, as
Larry Brown would say, playing the right way. He broke plays to go
one-on-one. He appeared to be using his full complement of defensive skills
on only a fraction of plays. He felt bad for missing jumpers (something he
has never been amazing at) and then grew determined to get the points back
for his team by ... forcing more jumpers. But despite all that, even with the
Kings he was one of the best and most productive players on the roster -- as
he has been throughout his career. The lesson, to me, is that Artest has
something in common with LeBron James besides build. James is way better, of
course, but both have strengths that overwhelm notable flaws. (I think of
them as the "You get what you get, and you don't get upset" players.) The
conditions could not be more favorable now. A championship on the line, a
team with powerful leaders and a legacy to be built. Purple and gold, I
suspect, is going to look very good on Ron Artest.
「Artest两年前在国王的时候是最惨的一段时间。根据Larry Brown的说法,他不是在打
正确的篮球。他会打断战术去一对一,只在一部分的时候尽力,而且跳投没进的时候
就会沮丧(问题是他本来就没很准),接着又想要把刚刚没进的分抢回来...於是投更多
球。但不管这些,即使在国王那段时期他也是队上效率最高的球员之一,更不用说生涯
其他时候。这让我知道Artest在身材之外还有跟LeBron很像的地方。当然LeBron更威,
但两个人都有着足以弥补缺点的力量。现在湖人状况也许已经好到极点了:有优秀的领
袖,还有一个建构中的传奇。我想紫色跟金色也许穿在Artest身上会挺好看的。」
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氏中的一部分,这还不包括他本人的名字。现在坊间最流行的一个版本称穆托姆博的全名
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1F:推 floriany:推,辛苦了! 07/04 01:58
2F:推 LABOYS:科科啦 07/04 01:59
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4F:→ doodoohow:同意三楼 反对的那位跟战文水准差不多 囧 07/04 02:00
5F:→ doodoohow:话说我刚刚重看了81pts game Sasha好像完全没变嘛= = 07/04 02:02
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7F:推 floriany:Sasha...明年拜托准一点点 (冏) 07/04 02:07
8F:推 imsohappy:在进攻方面除非阿泰肯改,不然我也不觉得阿泰有很大的 07/04 02:08
9F:→ imsohappy:助益 07/04 02:08
10F:推 LABOYS:Rodman当年也没人觉得他会改 最後他改了 07/04 02:09
11F:→ imsohappy:等赛季开始吧 起码个人能力上阿泰不用怀疑 07/04 02:09
12F:→ imsohappy:团队融合说也说不准XD 07/04 02:10
13F:推 themartyr24:Sasha明年至少得把今年没进的都投回来 07/04 02:10
14F:→ doodoohow: 那他要拿得分王了(误) 07/04 02:12
15F:推 righthand:"Artest can guard anyone Bryant can guard" 07/04 02:16
16F:推 shch: "...except, of course, Bryant and himself" 07/04 03:19
17F:推 dickenst35:湖人只要阿泰的防守就够了,不缺得分的球员 07/04 10:21