作者earthrise (yes)
看板LadyGaga
标题[新闻] What went wrong with TEoG mv
时间Fri Jun 17 23:28:47 2011
What went wrong with GaGa's 'Edge of Glory' video?
NY post
http://tinyurl.com/3w562vf
重点提要:
1.Joseph Kahn在推特上否认这是他的作品,主因是拍摄过程中gaga及haus of
gaga开始七嘴八舌推翻他的想法,所以最後他退出,也就是说gaga才是这支mv的导演
2. Kahn的团队本来已经搭好了set:
http://i51.tinypic.com/vrzfo8.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/2nklapz.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2z5t63d.jpg

内容有布鲁克林桥、医院、水底景等...也就是原本的人鱼路线
3. 编舞Laurieann Gibson在推特上回应小怪兽对MV的批评(演变成大吵),认为创作想法
分歧是常有的是,小怪兽不应这麽刻薄
个人感想:Joseph Kahn的作品多麽厉害大家可以去孤看看,基本上我觉得嘎及嘎屋请
了名导又不信任他是很愚蠢的事情,尤其当最後完全照自己点子拍出来的东西这麽贻笑
大方
在TFM时我还不觉得,但现在我认为the fame is kinda getting to her head,也就是大
头症。
太快了。
Lady GaGa's videos are opulent affairs thanks to complex storylines,
extravagant costume changes, an army of back-up dancers showcasing the latest
moves from genius choreographer Laurieann Gibson and visually dazzling
screenshots that could hang in any respectable art gallery.
But when her latest music video for "Edge of Glory" premiered last night, the
general consensus was "huh?" As in, "what the hell is this pared down,
choreography-deficient, one costume, dancer-free piece of rubbish?"
At first, fans leapt to judgement and began harassing Joseph Kahn, the
visionary director who has helmed videos for artists like U2, Britney, Mariah,
Snoop. He also was the man behind "Edge of Glory." Emphasis on "was."
Yesterday he Tweeted, "I did NOT direct Lady Gaga's 'Edge of Glory' video.
Lady Gaga did -- I don't co-direct. One canvas, one paintbrush. Respect the
art. Very simple rule with me."
This seemed to imply disagreements on the set, a theory that has been
corroborated by Joseph's team, sources close to production and, well,
watching the video.
One such insider, Chancler Haynes (Kahn's on-set editor), revealed on Twitter
exactly what went down in a series of DM's with a fan ... who then released the
conversation.
It seems that the mermaid motif GaGa debuted on "Le Grand Journal" was supposed
to be the video's theme as well. "[Joseph Kahn] had sets built for a hospital
scene, Brooklyn Bridge, and a big underwater mermaid scene. It all made sense.
Concept was done," Chancler wrote.
But somewhere along the way there was, to hear Laurieann tell it, "an issue."
One that, according to Chancler, stemmed straight from The Haus of GaGa. "GaGa
changed her mind and told Joseph what to do. His hands were tied. The director
just didn't have control over GaGa after she started making changes [and]
Joseph's concept died."
A concept that according to three leaked production stills (which Chancler
confirmed to be real) looked suitably epic.
If only the drama stopped there. Last night, after the underwhelming video made
its grand debut, her Little Monsters proved just how sharp their claws are and
began Tweet-tacking Laurieann on Twitter. NBD, this happens all the time when
you participate in an open dialogue with fans. The difference here is that
Laurieann returned fire when one fan accused her of stretching the truth.
"listen u disrespectful f**k they had an issue on set I don't lie!!!!!" Her
140 character verbal vomit also included, "creative Changes happen always
educate ignorant Monster's!!!" She then went on and personally responded to
two dozen angry comments that varied from "you r sick Get some help u have no
clue" to "who r u!!! don't talk negative to people u don't know it's foolish!"
And that seems to be the buzz word here since foolishness reigned from start
to finish. It was foolish of GaGa's team to stop trusting the director they
hired, it was foolish of GaGa to think this subdued video would please the fans
that have been conditioned to expect something grander, it was foolish of
Chancler to have that conversation online and it was foolish of Laurieann to
open fire on fans.
But most of all, it was foolish of us to expect that GaGa would never stumble
because, despite the preternatural image constantly presented, she is only
human after all.
http://tinyurl.com/3w562vf
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1F:推 kowei526:好想看本来会拍什麽样子啊!!!:( 06/17 23:35
2F:推 icefishxx:原本的版本应该很棒 为什麽不信任呢 结果搞成这样难堪 06/17 23:36
3F:推 brooksmile:想看原版+1 QQ 06/17 23:37
4F:→ icefishxx:就算自己当导演 前一首Judas也没有这麽粗糙阿 (不懂阿) 06/17 23:38
5F:推 aliqruq:人鱼版的概念还比较好 不过人鱼版只能在表演上看到了 呜 06/17 23:38
6F:→ icefishxx:以後大概也没机会看到Joseph Kahn帮gaga导的MV了 06/17 23:40
7F:推 jerry8022:Kahn还颇厉害的说~~~ 06/17 23:41
8F:推 premiumGT:我希望这是GaGa最後一次执导自己的MV 她跟她的团队在这 06/17 23:47
9F:→ premiumGT:张专辑的概念实在让人搞不懂 06/17 23:48
10F:推 pattytao518:场景很好看 想看原版 06/17 23:49
11F:推 e0004252:GAGA自己倒是很满意 请看最新TWITTER讯 06/17 23:55
12F:→ e0004252:她好像走味了... 06/17 23:56
13F:推 moo885588:原版的概念也是边缘嘛~~~ 06/17 23:58
14F:推 k15464:连助理都跳出来说话 想知道详情的可以拉下去看 06/17 23:59
16F:推 tom91002:糟了GAGA要黑掉了啊啊啊啊啊啊啊... 06/18 00:06
17F:推 foamb:板上人气变HOT了现在!! 06/18 00:06
18F:推 icefishxx:希望gaga只是不想再引起纷争而说MV不错 不要因为 06/18 00:08
19F:→ icefishxx:"自我设限"而看不清事实有多糟 拜托不要 06/18 00:09
20F:推 kuropika:好想看原版=口=.... 06/18 00:15
21F:→ kuropika:要自己弄的话也不要草草了事呀 06/18 00:15
22F:推 nancyli:好难过 06/18 00:15
23F:推 foamb:唉@@ 就算他觉得自己的想法比导演还要好,但是再好的点子也 06/18 00:24
24F:推 foamb:还是得透过专业的执导技术 把想法用最好的方式具象化出来啊 06/18 00:27
25F:→ foamb:结果却搞到导演退出了..真的很难堪 也很不智.... 06/18 00:28
26F:推 hownever:很推你的个人感想。 06/18 00:37
27F:推 ayuELT:好伤心喔...有些东西不擅长还是要听听专业的意见呀 06/18 01:17
28F:→ ayuELT:不要甚麽都自己去做,到最後就是这种不伦不类的作品了唉 06/18 01:18
29F:→ hownever:Joseph Kahn看到MV成品之後应该也会偷笑吧。 06/18 01:22
30F:推 dropgoal:很赞成尊重专业, 同时保持草根精神, 希望记取教训~ 毕竟 06/18 01:23
31F:→ dropgoal:Ga说过,她想要统治乐坛至少25年,所以都要学习当一个明君 06/18 01:24
32F:推 recx:本来以为她是有主见却很肯听话学习的艺人.. 06/18 01:36
33F:→ recx:我希望MV出来效果有多差能重重的点醒她 06/18 01:36
34F:推 a54jack:好伤心唷... 06/18 01:59
35F:推 flutepj:这支mv很失望 06/18 02:17
36F:推 baupi:it was foolish of us to expect GaGa would never stumble! 06/18 03:12
37F:→ baupi:别再造神了, 她 只是个人类 XDDDDD 06/18 03:13
38F:→ knmtou:唉唉... 06/18 04:16
39F:推 dropgoal:就算不如以往, 和其他人比也不见得多差~她本来就是人类, 06/18 08:25
40F:→ dropgoal:差别在於她 "超人/出众的表现" 的次数比他人频繁 06/18 08:26
41F:推 ayuELT:TF跟TFM时期真的场场精彩出众,现在的水平... 06/18 10:11
42F:→ ayuELT:好啦胃口真的养大了,可是gaga这样真的无法持久的我觉得 06/18 10:11
43F:推 aliqruq:别比烂 = = 这MV糟透了 还给无辜的导演被嘴炮 06/18 10:29
44F:推 flyhigher:超人和出众还不是要靠团队...把名导得罪了对自己演艺生 06/18 10:32
45F:→ flyhigher:涯是有甚麽好处喔?再不觉悟就准备flop this way!!! 06/18 10:33
46F:→ flyhigher:她本来就是一个强力依靠团队包装的歌手,创意是她能走下 06/18 10:34
47F:→ flyhigher:去的本钱,事实已证明靠她自己(以及嘎屋)根本没有能力让 06/18 10:35
48F:→ flyhigher:有力地行销音乐。 06/18 10:35
49F:推 kwhitomi:gaga加油好吗....千万别大头症上身阿!!!! 06/18 11:08
50F:推 Randomwalk:想看原本的版本+1 XD 06/18 11:09
51F:推 AndrewPublic:我觉得行销还好,歌点对行销没那麽大困难,不过嘎自己 06/18 13:43
52F:→ AndrewPublic:也说过啦,她演艺圈朋友少,这(可能)事一个问题 06/18 13:43
53F:推 Deadshot465:说真的,平心而论,不要说甚麽胃口被养大好了 06/18 14:14
54F:→ Deadshot465:拿这MV跟The Fame时期的MV做比较,难道有同样的水准? 06/18 14:15
55F:→ Deadshot465:不要求更多更好,只要求同样水准,有嘛QQ? 06/18 14:16
56F:推 san122:记得在好几个地方都看过这种说法,gaga的成功是个人才华+集 06/18 15:00
57F:→ san122:美国音乐界包装之大成,gaga很棒,但只有gaga一个人没有那些 06/18 15:01
58F:→ san122:行销专家一起合力,也是不成的啊!这支MV希望能给她点提醒 06/18 15:01
59F:推 bockychen727:不爱这支MV+1! 希望gaga真的有听到= = 06/18 15:42
60F:推 Mateus:这MV真的很差劲 之前GOOGLE CHROME的PROMOTE好上一亿倍 06/18 17:03
61F:推 mahey:唉,推楼上 06/18 23:35
62F:推 roda23139:Madonna也让人傻眼很多次 还不是红到现在XD gaga加油XD 06/21 05:36
63F:→ earthrise:madge早期~全盛MV可是弹无虚发啊 是近年才意兴阑珊 06/21 12:37
64F:推 AnExotic:我看Wiki才知道Joseph Kahn就是导Kylie-All The Lovers的 06/21 19:14
65F:→ AnExotic:导演,拍得超级棒!歌词和专辑的女神概念都拍出来了! 06/21 19:15
66F:→ AnExotic:最後没做出成果真的很可惜! 06/21 19:15