作者knmtou (1)
看板LadyGaga
标题Re: [情报] 又卖0.99元了...
时间Fri May 27 14:19:15 2011
※ 引述《herohoney (http://ppt.cc/eJRa 点!!)》之铭言:
: http://twitter.com/#!/amazonmp3/status/73650270021750784
: http://ppt.cc/5tq1 (amazon网站)
: 还没买专辑的人快去买吧...XDD
: 看来销量又要往上冲了
: 只是到时候会有人讲话就是了@"@
看来国外已经有人在连署陈情了,写这篇陈情文的人认为
Amazon以0.99美金的价格帮助GAGA销售专辑是CHEATING,希望Billboard
不要把这个promotion算进专辑销量内
(之前BestBuy 买一支智慧型手机就送一张专辑的促销已经不被算进Billboard 200内了)
节录重点:
这种「作弊」行为不能算进销量内,他们觉得这种手段让BTW可以很容易的破百万销售,
假使一万个小怪兽各买100张专辑,百万销售根本就是垂手可得 (老实说我觉得这个论点
太好笑了XDDD)。这种行为太不公平了,之前破百万的歌手都是以原价或是不会太夸张的
促销价格卖破百万。
以下是信件全文
Dear Billboard,
1,000,000 1st week sales of GaGa (with the $0.99 deal) are NOT the equivalent
of an artist 10 years ago with 1,000,000 sales. At this rate, Gaga will
outsell Celine Dion, Madonna, Mariah Carey in 10 years if she makes deals
like these. Michael Jackson has rolled around in his grave, because his TOP
selling album status may be ruined by your ignorant, silly and inappropriate
policy.
You have to take into consideration that when artists like The Beatles,
Whitney Houston, Eminem, Britney Spears, Usher, Shania Twain, Taylor Swift,
50 Cent, Norah Jones.. and all of the other artists who have has first week
impacts over over 1,000,000 unit sales to consumers that there was NO SPECIAL
DISCOUNTED PROMOTION for them. It's almost as if Gaga's taking advantage of
the rules that have been set by the powers-that-be. This is why you have a
lot of angry fans on your hands, especially Britney Spears & Eminem fans. You
have someone who made a thunderous boom onto the music scene and left her
mark with one of the highest debuts ever. That title is in danger of being
stripped or lessoned because for two days (or even more) Amazon decided to
virtually give the album away. In a sense it is completely not fair.
At the end of the day selling a brand new album at 99 cents means fans can
afford to buy 100 copies for just under 100 bucks. IMAGINE 10,000 GAGA FANS
BUYS 100 COPIES EACH ==> 1,000,000 COPIES ALREADY That basically gives her
the #1 spot without her even trying to get it. Where is the pride in that?
f**king PATHETIC! Almost ANY artist with a brand new album selling at 99
cents could accomplish massive first week sales and a debut number one. Its
basically CHEATING.
The richest artist of the year (like GaGa) selling an album for $0.99 is the
same as an artist who started from scratch and can not afford all these
advertisments and plays things fair and sells an album for, let's say $9.99
?? I'm sorry but your policy is UNFAIR.
And if GaGa truly wanted to give her fans the "treat" if an album in a more
accessible way, she might as well leak her albums, and keep making money off
tours if that's the case, but it is CLEARLY not the case, for it is obvious
that the 1st week SALES is very important for GaGa and her team, and to make
such a drastic and DESPERATE change is sad. This 0.99 cents album is totally
ridiculous how a new artist with low budget is gonna compete with this kind
of "politics" a new artist cant sell his album at 0.99 cents, this is
basically so unfair to other artists that sold 1 million in a regular price
And a sign of Billboard's "go with the flow"and inconsiderate arrangements.
Both GaGa and Billboard will be remembered for this policy change, because it
minimizes the efforts and 1st week sales of many other artists who have
earned their legendary figures and 1st week debuts. Billboard is joining the
rest of the corporate-driven industry, where money talks. It is not artists
and untalented individuals who ruin art and music, it is policy changes and
last second behind-the-scenes decisions like yours who reduce legends' and
icons' status. The digital era is inevitible, and one must deal with it
rationally, not in biased methods of business making. Billboard has always
been a respectable chart, and has been losing the respect from critics and
even artists.
It's the fact that artists like Eminem, Usher, Shania Twain, 50 Cent, Norah
Jones, Britney Spears, Taylor Swift and others actually WORK hard to sell a
$12+ album to their fans which ends up breaking records and selling
1,000,000+ and in comes this desperate ass try from Gaga to sell her 99cent
album just to break the record. Yes, Gaga's album may be some-what good, but
it's the actually work we're talking about here and the fairness of it. Your
only asking for all this hate yourselves. So don't complain when people
attack you on Twitter.
The industry is CORRUPT and it's all about Payola $$$. I guess the record
industry isn't about quality anymore, but about how many records you can
break by virtually smashing albums down America's throat. Ah well. The
decline from first week to second will be another record that Gaga breaks...
Music politics is all this is. The media, Billboard included, are all
strapped in on the Gaga train and money or something that is of value for BB
is obviously being exchanged. The $.99cent sale of this album is nothing more
than a ploy from Team Gaga to get her to break records and join that
1+million first week debut list. That's all. It's ridiculous and desperate
for a debut week. With this I wish Beyonce would do the same thing, she
deserves it as well. So does Katy, Rihanna and so on. TRYING HARD desperately
selling her album for .99cents. With that price most artists could venture
into the 700k+-1+million stream. It's ridiculous and Billboard knows it. You
guys are always playing music politics.
Speaking about the situation with Britney's 5th studio album, Blackout. The
Eagles had a choice. They chose to sell that album exclusively to a store
that Billboard does not count AND has never counted for decades. They even
willingly signed an agreement stating they would not be counted toward the
regular Hot 200 album chart. So they change it last minute, for The Eagles?
That is what you call unfair. That is what you call unprofessional.To change
the rules of something that's been set for years and years and years,
basically since day one of the chart starting in 1945 just because one band
decided to not sell the album in a way where they would be counted, is not
fair at all. They had a choice, they made that choice. You don't change the
rules in the middle of a board game do you? Especially when the winner is
about to be announced!
PS: All companies that have distributors sell their products have contractual
terms for the price floor in which their product can be sold at or terms that
require negotiation for major promotional activities. This prevents the
original companies from losing brand value. In a normal sales transaction,
both Amazon and the record profit on a sale to a customer and in order for
both sides to forego that profit, there has to be an agreement on either side.
This means that Universal/Gaga is making a cut on the backside of the Cloud
Service and a payment for the loss of revenue/price differential. Universal
had to sign off on the promo plan and it likely included another check, on
top of their normal cut, given the magnitude of the event.
Not to mention Gaga was giving out FREE codes to people with Farmvillle to
download the digital album as well when they came to her cd signing the other
night.
FANS OF MANY ARTISTS ARE SPREADING THIS LETTER EVERYHWERE. WE HOPE YOU WILL
CONSIDER CAREFULLY AND WILL HAVE A GREAT DECISION (not counting those Amazon
0.99$ sales) FOR FAIRNESS.
THANKS & BEST REGARDS,
--
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1F:→ knmtou:但老实说我觉得Amazon这样促销也不是GAGA的错吧orz 05/27 14:22
2F:推 herohoney:就不要到时候扣除这些0.99销量之後还是超过100万XDD 05/27 14:23
3F:→ knmtou:揪竟这风波到底会怎麽落幕呢 05/27 14:27
4F:推 herohoney:我觉得可以这样啦 amazon卖出15张算累计一次 这样感觉 05/27 14:28
5F:→ herohoney:就比较公平了XDDDDDDD 05/27 14:28
6F:推 billloung:ㄟ马松又不是傻瓜,卖一张赔一张一定有底限的啦 05/27 14:30
7F:→ billloung:他要赚的就是媒体曝光,已经达到目的 05/27 14:31
8F:→ billloung:如果是这样大家快去疯狂下载,亚马逊亏损几亿美金XD 05/27 14:32
9F:→ knmtou:卖一张专辑损失12.87美金XD 05/27 14:33
10F:→ badbad:为什麽要做这种落人口舌的事 GAGA的实力还需要做这些吗?! 05/27 14:35
11F:→ badbad:错都在amazon~ 05/27 14:35
12F:推 billloung:这没有对或错,通路这麽做这是他的自由。卡卡和唱片公司 05/27 14:40
13F:→ billloung:身为商品供应者,绝对不可能发生如此款待单一通路的情况 05/27 14:40
14F:→ billloung:否则其他通路怎麽做生意 ? 亚马逊也不可能无限量下载 05/27 14:41
15F:→ billloung:亚马逊的数字出来了吗 ? 依照市场规麽推估,我猜可能 05/27 14:41
16F:→ billloung:只有itune的 1/3甚至更低。 05/27 14:42
17F:→ billloung:而且亚马逊做这个行销一定也会和唱片公司讨论,然後唱片 05/27 14:43
18F:→ billloung:公司也一定会将这个消息让其他通路知道,但一定有个限量 05/27 14:44
19F:→ billloung:保证,唱片公司也不可能让亚马逊无限上卖(就算他想亏) 05/27 14:44
20F:→ knmtou:刚刚看BIBO的新闻,amazon第一天就卖了330K张... 05/27 14:53
21F:→ knmtou:然後iTunes卖了104K 05/27 14:53
22F:推 billloung:真是大手笔(赞 !),广告费五十万美金 05/27 14:56
23F:推 brooksmile:个人觉得不是gaga的错吧 哈 05/27 15:10
24F:推 icefishxx:根本不是gaga的错 唱片公司该出面灭火了吧 而且就算 05/27 15:28
25F:→ icefishxx:amazon不做促销 这张专辑也一定是今年首周最卖的阿 05/27 15:29
26F:推 guanghagrid:唱片公司要怎麽灭火,他们无法决定别人要不要赔钱卖啊 05/27 15:36
27F:→ guanghagrid:只要唱片公司提供给各下载通路的条件是相同的,就不关 05/27 15:36
28F:→ guanghagrid:他们的事了,亚马逊想赔钱卖,唱片公司管不着吧...XD 05/27 15:37
29F:推 recx:这就跟有个路人买了一百张然後丢到街上洒 05/27 15:39
30F:→ recx:唱片公司也不能阻止他啊XDD 05/27 15:39
31F:→ recx:我是同意billboard要慎重考虑这个事件的影响 05/27 15:40
32F:→ recx:因为Amazon搞不好不只会搞一个歌手 05/27 15:40
33F:→ recx:可是我很不喜欢"拢系gaga细勒萧婆欸阴谋啦"的语气XDD 05/27 15:41
34F:推 seanleo0416:跟Gaga本人无关 但销售量应该还是不采计比较好 05/27 15:43
35F:推 liar1478:绝对是Amazon的问题 但是就是会影响到Gaga.. 05/27 15:47
36F:推 likeaprayer:我也赞成不算@@ 没必要让这张专辑背这种无辜罪名=3= 05/27 15:48
37F:→ likeaprayer:即使扣掉amazon的通路目前回报的销售也非常惊人 05/27 15:48
39F:→ knmtou:这里有两篇,一篇是Amazon会损失多少钱在这个促销上 05/27 15:52
40F:→ knmtou:一篇是对於这个促销活动影响销量的看法~ 05/27 15:53
41F:推 hankxtina:Gaga这时一定在想:虽然我有爽到,但干我屁事?干嘛扯到 05/27 15:53
42F:→ hankxtina:我啊?Orz 05/27 15:53
43F:→ hankxtina:其实这一切都是Amazon的问题,明明就赢不了iTunes,还害 05/27 15:53
44F:→ hankxtina:了Gaga! 05/27 15:53
45F:推 recx:我希望不算 算了要是拿了冠军又要被闲话... 05/27 15:54
46F:推 likeaprayer:说实话Amazon恢复原价之後 很多人一定又跑回iTunes @@ 05/27 15:55
47F:推 puretd:算了只是会多更多争议 又很容易让人说话 05/27 15:55
48F:→ recx:没算拿冠军很爽 没算没拿冠军再加油 算下去拿不拿都被骂 05/27 15:55
49F:→ knmtou:Amazon已经成功的炒热话题了XD 05/27 15:58
50F:→ tim2502:不是冠不冠军的问题吧 本来就会冠军 只是销量冲到哪儿已 05/27 15:58
51F:推 puretd:算了的话以後大家提到这张专辑的销量都会记得有0.99的存在 05/27 15:59
52F:推 recx:born this(0.99) way 05/27 15:59
53F:→ puretd:宁愿数字不要那麽恐怖也不要作落人口舌的事 05/27 16:00
54F:→ knmtou:Nine This Way 05/27 16:00
55F:推 billloung:Amazon已经损失了两百多万美金~真有钱~~XD 05/27 16:18
56F:推 billloung:不过主笔似乎也认为亚马逊这两三百万美金很值得 05/27 16:21
57F:推 premiumGT:虽然这样真的有失公平但写陈情信的人也太闲... 05/27 18:13
58F:推 puretd:不用写信BB榜也会自己决定这件事 05/27 18:37
59F:→ billloung:应该是会算在销售,因为并不是唱片公司自己削价,而是通 05/27 20:48
60F:→ billloung:路自行吸收,就把它看成亚马逊一家公司买了五十万张吧XD 05/27 20:49
61F:推 hankxtina:所以很像是Amazon在消费Gaga!@@.................... 05/27 22:19
62F:推 san122:看来基本上真的是gaga被利用了,不过amazon也不算损失,毕竟 05/28 23:05
63F:→ san122:一个没人知道的音乐销售新网站,可以一天带进超过30万名新会 05/28 23:06
64F:→ san122:员,只花两百万算很值得了 05/28 23:06