作者BSH99 (BSH99)
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标题[外电] 尼克的化学作用好像无法累加??
时间Mon Feb 18 02:24:17 2013
Knicks Having Chemistry Issues Doesn’t Add Up
http://ppt.cc/QzW9
On Valentines Day, Jared Zwerling wrote a piece giving the impression the New
York Knicks are undergoing some behind the scenes chemistry issues. The title
of the story is, “Scout Melo’s Act Gets Old Fast.” I’m not going to even
address that because he probably wasn’t the one who wrote it.
Some of the points he makes are 100 percent accurate, but the overall premise
of the story isn’t as smooth as 2 + 2 = 4.
Lets take a look…
在情人节时,我们亲爱的大记者JZ写了一篇有关於尼克化学作用问题的文章,标题就叫做
"看看瓜的打球风格越来越像老人球了阿...",虽然我不是很接受这说法,但JZ显然不是
唯一一个这麽说的人。
有些地方她说得非常正确,就像是2+2不会等於4,让我们来看看他说了甚麽。
THE KNICKS STARTED THE SEASON ON FIRE, JUMPING OUT TO AN 8-1 RECORD AND THEN
20-8, FUELED BY THEIR HOT 3-POINT SHOOTING AND PERIMETER DEFENSE.
FROM THERE, THEY’VE CONTINUED TO BUILD WINS, BUT ON AN INCONSISTENT BASIS —
AND NOW THEY ENTER THE ALL-STAR BREAK WITH LOSSES IN THREE OF THEIR PAST
FOUR GAMES.
"尼克开季状态火热,打出了8-1,之後是20-8,这都多亏了他们火热的三分手感跟极棒防守
透过三分,他们成功建立起胜利的基础,但这并不是稳定取分的方式,在明星赛前,
尼克4场比赛中输了3场。"
Agree mostly with what was written here. New York started off fast and has
now tailed off. In their last 27 games the Knicks are 14-13, that’s not good.
恩...大致上他这里写的我非常同意,尼克开季火热,但他们最近的27场只打出14-13
这可不是个好成绩阿。
WHILE INJURIES AND PLAYERS RETURNING TO THE LINEUP HAVE DELAYED THEIR
DEVELOPMENT SOMEWHAT, THIS CAN’T BE IGNORED: THE KNICKS’ OFFENSE IS TOO
SIMPLISTIC RIGHT NOW. MIKE WOODSON CONTINUES TO ALLOW ANTHONY, RAYMOND FELTON
AND J.R. SMITH TO DOMINATE THE BALL AND THE REST SEEMS TO BE MOSTLY
FREELANCE, WITH ROLE PLAYERS POSITIONED BEYOND THE ARC FOR HOPEFUL 3-POINTERS.
"他们在这段期间遇到了伤痛问题跟伤兵归队问题,这让他们需要磨合更长一段时间,
这是我们不能忽略的部分,而尼克的进攻现在太过於简单化了,武僧持续地把球权放给
胖瓜,小胖子,JR,而其他人则是自由的活动,说穿了大部分的角色都是站着等投3分。
一言已概之,就是要他们都当好三分射手的角色。"
What would you like Mike Woodson to do? Melo, Felton and Smith are the only
New York players who play significant minutes that are capable of initiating
the offense. Pablo Prigioni can when he gets the opportunity, but his minutes
aren’t consistent. Jason Kidd and Iman Shumpert can be relied upon in small
dozes, but if you ask them to for long stretches, you better be ready to deal
with a bump up in turnovers. It makes zero sense to put the ball in Tyson
Chandler’s hands more. When Amar’e Stoudemire is on the court, the offense
is run through him plenty – he has a usage rate of 25.5%.
如果你是武僧你会怎麽做呢?胖瓜,小胖子,JR是尼克阵中少数可以扛上大部分时间还有
能力可以组织进攻的人,当然老普有机会上场的话也可以,但他的上场时间太不稳定,
老基跟香波比较适合短时间的组织,如果你要他们两个扛上大部分时间,那你可能要准备
好接受TO爆增的情况,这对於让老钱多拿到球可是没甚麽意义阿。
而当阿骂上场时,进攻大多会透过他,他现在被使用率可是有25.5%呢。
THAT HAS MADE SOME OF KNICKS FEEL UNDER-UTILIZED, ONE SOURCE CLOSE TO THE
TEAM SAID, BECAUSE NOW THEY’RE JUST STAND-AND-WAIT-FOR-THE-BALL SHOOTERS.
"情报指出有些尼克成员表示现在小阵容打法中他们只是等球射手。"
For people on this Knicks roster to be complaining about their role they
would have to have a disconnect with the reality of what they are capable of
doing as a basketball player. I could somewhat understand if it’s Shumpert
whining, and from other stories that can’t be ruled out. The only other
player it makes sense with would be Amar’e. But if STAT slightly grasps the
concept of trying to extend his career, you would think he would be on board
with how he is currently being used. I don’t see anyone on this roster that
is in a situation that they should be upset with.
对於在阵容的尼克球员他们会去抱怨他们的角色,而让他们远离身为一个篮球员的能力
(这里好像是说因为只要等球射三分,所以不用太多技巧)
我大概可以理解如果香波在那边碎嘴的声音,而其他报导可不会放过这种事,唯一有资格
可以站出来碎嘴的大概就是阿骂了,但如果阿骂对他的未来定位抓到一点头绪还有想延长
他的职业生涯,那麽你会认为他现在正被正确的使用中,我并不认为任何一个尼克球员在
目前的情况里有他们应该感到不满的地方。
“THE OFFENSE IS TOO BASIC AND IT NEEDS SOME TWEAKING. WATCHING MELO DO HIS
THING GETS OLD FAST,” ONE NBA SCOUT SAID. “I THINK THE OFFENSE NEEDS MORE
MOTION IN IT, SO THAT GUYS’ TALENTS CAN BE USED MORE. I THINK THE EARLY
SUCCESS HURT THEM BECAUSE NOW OPPONENTS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND HOW TO
DEFEND IT. THEY TRULY ARE A 3-POINT SHOOTING TEAM, AND YOU CAN’T WIN IN THE
LONG RUN THAT WAY. NELLIE’S (DON NELSON’S) MAVERICKS TEAMS WENT THROUGH
THAT.”
"有一位NBA球探是这麽说的:'这进攻也太制式化了,而且还需要再多揉合,看看瓜他现在
打得越来越老人了。'
'我认为尼克进攻应该要再多跑动,再多把大家的天赋融合再一起。我认为他们季初的成功
害了他们,因为现在对手都知道他们会怎麽做了而且要怎麽防了,尼克现在真的是支三分
球队了,但从长远的角度来看这招可走不远啊,老尼的小牛队就证明过了。'"
Ahhhh one of my favorites, the notion that you can’t win basketball games
shooting three pointers. Some teams win games by shooting threes, other win
with it being a lesser part of their offense. In 2010-2011 the Mavericks won
the NBA Championship and shot the fifth most threes in the NBA. The Nellie
ball Mavericks won over 50 games in four of his six full seasons as head
coach and one of those four was a 60 win campaign. How is that not winning in
the long run? The bigger reason Dallas didn’t make it to the Finals during
that stretch was the simple fact they in an absolutely loaded Western
Conference. Their playoff defeats came at the hands of the Spurs – 58 wins,
Kings – 61 wins, Spurs – 60 wins and Kings – 55 wins. If the Mavericks
magically got moved to the Eastern Conference during that stretch they would
have made the NBA Finals at least once, maybe multiple times.
The other part about the Knicks offense being too basic is definitely a
possibility. I’m not a basketball coach nor a true X’s and O’s guy, but
when you read about some of the other concepts teams use it seems there are
some things Coach Woodson could incorporate to try and create a better flow
with easier opportunities.
阿阿阿阿这可是我最爱的部分阿,大家都会说你这样投三分是赢不了篮球比赛的。
但有些队伍可是靠这招赢下比赛呢,还记得2010-11年的小牛吗?他们当时可是全NBA中最爱
投三分的第五名阿!!那年他们拿到了NBA总冠军,老尼的小牛赢了50场比赛,他们还曾经拿
过60胜咧~
为何这种方式从长远的角度来说走不远?而老尼的小牛那几年到不了总冠军赛的原因
是因为他们遇到的对手是当年58胜的马刺,61胜的国王,60胜的马刺,55胜的国王。
如果小牛那几年可以在东区打季後赛,那他们应该至少会有一次可以抵达总冠军赛。
至於关於尼克的进攻太过於制式化这点我是赞同的。
我不是篮球教练,也不是甚麽键盘篮球天才,但当你去阅读一些关於团队的概念时,你会
发现武僧教练其实是有试着去融入一些,试着去创造更好的流动性,跟更好的机会。
THIS SEASON, WOODSON HAS REPEATEDLY SAID HE NEEDS TO HELP CERTAIN ROLE
PLAYERS — NOTABLY STEVE NOVAK, RONNIE BREWER AND IMAN SHUMPERT — AND THAT
HAS TO HAPPEN AFTER THE ALL-STAR BREAK. MORE OF A TEAM APPROACH IS NECESSARY.
BEFORE THE SEASON, MELO SPOKE ABOUT SACRIFICING POINTS FOR THE GREATER GOOD
OF THE TEAM. BUT HE’S NOW THE LEAGUE’S SECOND-LEADING SCORER (28.6 POINTS
PER GAME), AND RECENTLY HE HASN’T HAD MUCH HELP FROM HIS SUPPORTING CAST.
"这个赛季,武僧不断的重复说他需要帮助像NOVAK,小酒,香波这样的角色球员,而在
明星赛後,要有更好的团队是必要的,瓜曾说过为团队牺牲得分,但她现在可是联盟中
第二得分高手(场均28.6),而且他最近还说他需要其他人的帮助。"
New York does need to do a better job finding Steve Novak shots and helping
Iman Shumpert get more comfortable. I don’t see how Brewer’s role would
change much from what it was before – standing in the corner and the
occasional cut is what he does. A lot of the success these players should
have is playing off Melo and the Felton/Chandler pick and roll.
痾...尼克的确需要让NOVAK跟香波更加融入,但我真的不知道小酒的角色可以有啥改变,
阿不就站在底角等着投篮跟偶尔空切一下,还有防守吗?这些球员的成功可能要更加依靠
瓜的表现还有肥顿打P&R的表现...。
THE KNICKS ALSO NEED TO COME TOGETHER ON DEFENSE, AND IT STARTS WITH HOW THEY
GET BACK INTO FORMATION IN TRANSITION AND ROTATE WHILE GUARDING PICK AND
ROLLS. TOO MANY TIMES RECENTLY, OPPONENTS HAVE SCORED EASILY OFF SCREENS
BECAUSE THE KNICKS’ SWITCHES ARE OFF. THAT LEADS TO A PERSONNEL QUESTION:
DOES WOODSON NEED TO JUGGLE THE STARTING FIVE TO INCLUDE DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST
BREWER OR JAMES WHITE? BREWER WOULD LIKELY GET THE NOD BECAUSE HE PLAYED WELL
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON WHEN THE KNICKS WENT 11-4 IN NOVEMBER.
"尼克也需要好好思考怎麽防守了,他们得要找回开季的防守,他们最近真的让人太容易
得分了,因为尼克最近轮转真是烂透了,这又回到个人问题了,我觉得武僧需要调整一
下先发了,多把几个防守专家进去,像是小酒拉,小白拉,小酒看起来更胜任这个工作,
因为他开季的时候表现很棒啊,当时尼克可是11-4呢。"
There is no debate the Knicks need to improve on the defensive end of the
court. In their 18 losses this season NY’s DRtg is a 109.9 and in their wins
it’s a 99.9. That is way too many games of playing porous defense. In the
last five games the DRtg has jumped to 107.2 up, just over four points on the
Knicks’ season average. Side note –I like James White, if he got 7-10
minutes a night for a little bit to see if he could contribute I would have
no problem with it, but calling White a defensive specialist is a little much
for me.
The rest of the story begins a discussion on what line-ups the Knicks should
use, which is an entirely different column in itself.
Jared brings up some fair points, but there were some angles that made me
think twice.
我举双手双脚赞成尼克需要加强防守,在他们18场败场中DRtg是109.9而他们赢的那几场
则是99.9!!!这就是他们有太多场比赛打出有漏洞的防守,在最近的五场还上升到107.9+
(按:现在你知道那群家伙最近有多不爱防守了)
这可是比尼克这季的平均还要多4分阿!!!!!,话说我喜欢小白,如果他有7-10分钟的上场
那他可能可以做出一些贡献,但是要说小白是防守专家,这又有点太超过罗~
剩下的报导大致上就是讨论尼克要怎样用他们的阵容拉~
总之jz提供了一些公平的论点,但他们有些想法跟我不同就是了。
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这篇蛮有趣的,两边感觉都蛮有理的XD 噢还有蓝色的字好像不完全是JZ说的
大多都是纽媒最近在讨论的事吧ˊ_>ˋ
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※ 编辑: BSH99 来自: 180.218.213.115 (02/18 02:26)
1F:推 Jefa910:小酒开季的抄截跟空切都很亮眼 还能帮抢板 02/18 02:47
2F:→ Jefa910:领先时可以用他来调节先发体力 02/18 02:47
3F:推 rioslo:小酒现在连垃圾时间都不一定看得到他了Q__Q 02/18 04:54
4F:推 skymay:纽媒跟球迷一样都很担心尼克的问题 XDDD 是说尼克教练真的 02/18 07:57
5F:→ skymay:不好当,外在声音超多的 XDD 02/18 07:58
6F:推 md1011:不过本篇说的挺中肯, 进攻单调, 防守不力, 的确是问题 02/18 08:19
7F:推 Dopin:我无法判断到底是 球员执行不力 / 招式被看破 / 教练指示 比 02/18 08:58
8F:→ Dopin:赛的跑动跟战术跟下棋类似 只是多了命中率行不行的问题 (死) 02/18 08:59
9F:→ Dopin:胜者为王败者为寇 赢了瑕不掩瑜就可忽略 但输多了总是要找点 02/18 09:00
10F:→ Dopin:可以改的地方 但最近尼克实在有点谜 所以再观察一阵 /.\ 02/18 09:00
11F:推 fireunicorn:拳王哪里有说这句话阿...@@? 02/18 14:38
12F:→ fireunicorn:喔...我眼花了...= = 02/18 14:38
13F:推 mywu:用另外一个角度来看事情也许能够看出盲点吧 02/18 15:02
14F:推 chen06:难道要瓜打的像辫子头时一样?不过现在变胖飞不太起来了 XD 02/18 16:41
15F:→ chen06:谢谢翻译 02/18 16:42
16F:→ chen06:希望能让小酒回先发试试,也让CC多点上场时间 02/18 16:43
17F:→ chen06:CC手感来时抢分是强项(防守要加强)不过现在全队都要加强吧 02/18 16:45
18F:推 BleuOmbre:用人很保守 :( 02/18 20:34
19F:推 zero73413:真的 我觉得小酒防守功能要拿来先发用啊! 别再冰他了Q_Q 02/18 21:05
我心目中的角色定位可以像这样~
1 2 3
PG 肥顿 / 老基 / 老普
SG 香波 / JR / 小酒 / 老基(偶尔代打) /肥顿(偶尔代打)
SF 瓜 / 小酒 / NOVAK / CC
PF 阿骂 / 西蛙阿北/ NOVAK / CC / 老汤
C 老钱 / CAMBY / 阿骂 / 西蛙阿北
阿骂要不要先发我无所谓,他能健康我就满意了,但小酒至少给个替补SF拉~~
至於小白...对不起我排不出他的位子了Q.Q
※ 编辑: BSH99 来自: 180.218.213.115 (02/18 21:42)
20F:推 HidakaShu:开季前阵容确定时,就有预想到小酒在伤兵归队後上场时间 02/18 21:41
21F:→ HidakaShu:会变少,但没想到是掉出轮值QQ 02/18 21:41
22F:→ jerrystarks:他会掉出轮值应该是因为本来就有伤而且进攻太悲剧了 02/18 21:56
23F:→ jerrystarks:比NOVAK的防守还悲剧.. 02/18 21:57
24F:推 skymay:我真的觉得别再让瓜扛大前了,太浪费他的体力了,这样也会 02/18 21:59
25F:→ skymay:导致他进攻时投篮的不稳定,时常打铁 02/18 22:00
26F:→ skymay:像他今天打sg和sf又不用控球就很轻松写意 02/18 22:02
27F:推 fireunicorn:大家还是会把NOVAK往後排吧~没办法板凳太多人了XDD 02/18 22:23
28F:推 kid1412815:泪推NOVAK跟小酒... 02/19 17:15
29F:推 Jefa910:不用穷紧张啦 接下来稳赢的啦 02/19 19:48