作者BSH99 (BSH99)
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标题[外电] 武僧的新尼克进攻巫术大解析
时间Fri Nov 16 00:35:06 2012
http://ppt.cc/JMbO
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Mike Woodson And The Surprisingly Innovative Knicks Offense
武僧与他的新尼克进攻体系
When Mike Woodson had the interim title removed from his name and was
officially hired as the head coach of the New York Knicks, I was skeptical of
his ability to design an offense that maximized the talent on hand. Woodson’
s isolation-based offensive system – derisively nicknamed Iso Joe and/or Iso
Melo by detractors – was slowed to a halt by the world champion Miami Heat
in the first round of last year’s playoffs, and routinely suffered the same
fate at the hands of the Boston Celtics, Chicago Bulls or some other team
during his years as head coach of the Atlanta Hawks.
当武僧把她身上的代理尼克教练标签撕掉的时候,我很怀疑他是否能完全发挥出这支球队的
进攻天赋,武僧那着名的ISO体系--很多人笑称那是ISO-JOE跟ISO-MELO。
这套体系也常常止步於第一轮,像去年就被冠军队伍热火所击败,而在他当老鹰总教练时期
对上老赛跟公牛或是其他球队也常让武僧尝到相同的滋味。
Given more time to consider my thoughts later in the summer (i.e. after the
draft and free agency), I remained less than enthused by Woodson’s hiring,
mostly due to his failings as an offensive tactician and the poor fit his
offense represented with much of the Knicks personnel, especially the new
point guards. Neither Raymond Felton or Jason Kidd is a particular good
outside shooter at this stage of their career, and sticking them in an
isolation-heavy offense and turning them into spot-up shooters seemed a waste
of Felton’s pick-and-roll game and Kidd’s passing prowess.
在经过暑假那阵交易案後,我对这个看法多了点保留余地,我仍旧对武僧的上任不感兴趣
因为他那贫乏的进攻战术,真的适合尼克现在的阵容吗,尤其是有了新控卫的出现。
不管事肥顿还是老基都是个不错的外围射手,如果坚持把她们融入高度重视ISO的体制内,
让他们当个定点射手,感觉上是有点浪费肥顿的P&R跟老基的传球。
Closer to the start of the season, I expressed extreme doubt that the offense
the Knicks figured to be running – the offense Woodson had run for the
entirety of his head coaching career – could succeed in the modern NBA, and
even went so far as to call it an anachronism. Given the new defensive rules
put in place over the last decade, they can effectively cut off isolation
offenses at the knees, meaning that repetitive and predictable isolations are
where playoff dreams go to die.
在接近新赛季开始,我极端地对尼克的进攻感到担心,我认为武僧那套是落伍的,在这
十年内所新增的规则,他们极有效率的切断ISO战术的效用,这代表着,不断地使用ISO
将会让你们的季後赛之梦梦碎。
Through the first four games of this season, Woodson had made me look like a
fool. He has designed an almost entirely new offensive system involving a
heavy dose of off-ball screening, pick-and-rolls, post-ups, dribble
hand-offs, and rapid, decisive, side-to-side ball movement around the
perimeter.
不过在经过开季四场比赛後,武僧让我觉得之前的我根本是傻瓜,她设计出了全新的
进攻体系,并且用了大量的SCREEN,P&R,低位,无球跑动,球的转移极为快速跟果断!
What Woodson has done is tailor an offense to the personnel he has, rather
than try to fit that personnel into preconceived roles based on the system he
had run during his tenure in Atlanta and last season in New York. The result
has been the league’s best offense through this early part of the season,
one that has the Knicks sitting at 4-0 as the NBA’s lone remaining
undefeated team.
武僧设计出来的新进攻体系是把每个人的特点都融为其中,而不是他之前在老鹰跟去年尼克
打的那套战术,这套体系已经是全联盟目前为止最棒的进攻体系,他让尼克打出开季4-0,
独领联盟龙头的位子。
At the center of it all is Carmelo Anthony, who is running fewer isolations
and more post-ups than at any point in his career. Felton and Pablo Prigioni
are getting copious amounts of pick-and-roll opportunities with Anthony,
Tyson Chandler, Kurt Thomas and Rasheed Wallace. JR Smith, Steve Novak and
Kidd are coming off screens from every direction and seeing a plethora of
open 3-point opportunities. Ronnie Brewer is lurking behind all the action
for corner 3′s and cuts to the rim.
这套战术的核心是瓜瓜,他目前打出他生涯中最少的ISO比例跟更多的低位,肥顿跟老普
用了相当大量的P&R的机会,不论是跟老钱,瓜,老KT,还是老西蛙。
而JR,腰带王,老基则透过各种SCREEN来创造出空档3分的机会,小酒则活耀於底角跟
空切。
Carmelo Anthony
The primary goal of each possession is to get the ball the Anthony in the
post, whether on the right block or the left elbow. All but two of Anthony’s
post-up possessions so far this season have originated from one of those two
spots.
瓜瓜
最主要的目标就是先疯狂地把球塞给低位的瓜瓜,不管是在右边或是左肘区,至今为止
尼克的战术起点都是起於这两个动作之一。
Post-ups have accounted for a career-high 22.6% of Carmelo’s possessions
this season, per mySynergySports. Last season, that number was just 13%.
During his Knick stint in the 2010-11 season, it was only 11.4%. Much of this
has to with the Anthony’s much-discussed move to power forward – where he
has a quickness advantage over nearly every player that defends him, which
aids his face-up game – but it also seems to be a concerted, designed effort
to get him the ball in more optimal places to score.
瓜今年在低位的比例已经是他生涯最高的22.6%,上赛季他的低位比例才13%,上上赛季
更低才11.4%,不过这跟他今年扛PF有关就是了,他在PF时有速度上的优势,这对他面框
很有帮助,这也算是对他而言更理想的方式去得分。
Carmelo has always been a player whose game has tilted toward the right side
of the floor. For example, he took 90 jumpers from the right elbow compared
to just 28 from the left elbow last season, via NBA.com. However, he made
only 34.4% of those right elbow jumpers, while knocking down 46.4% of his
shots from the left elbow. So the Knicks have made an effort to move some of
his post-ups from that right wing area he likes so much, over to the left
elbow. He’s mostly attacked via the dribble drive when he’s posted there,
but just due to being in a more dangerous position on the court, he’s at an
advantage over last season. As a result, he is 10-for-18 from the field with
5 shooting fouls drawn – good for 1.25 points per possession (PPP) – and
has scored on 62.5% of his post-up opportunities, per Synergy.
瓜一直很喜欢在右侧打球,举例来说,上赛季他的90次跳投中只有28次是在左侧肘区,
但是他的右侧肘区的跳投命中只有34.4%,而在左侧却有46.4%,所以尼克必须尽力让
瓜从他最爱的右翼出手,移一些次数到低位去,而在左肘区,当他在那边的低位时,
他大多会采取切入的方式,就只是因为那里是球场上很具有威胁性的位子,他在那边
很常要到犯规,而且他的得分有62.5%是来自在低位的机会。
Many of Carmelo’s post-ups are of the traditional variety where he simply
sprints down the floor and acquires position on his defender (this has been
especially true in delayed transition), sticks his hand in the air and waits
for a pass. However, the Knicks have also used more creative ways to get the
ball to Anthony in the post – for instance, make him the screener in a
pick-and-roll, and have him roll his way into the post.
尼克大多会创造机会来把球送到在低位的瓜 像这样。
http://ppt.cc/UdTA
This play also highlights what has without a doubt been the best and most
important part of Anthony’s post game this season: his willingness to draw
in a double team and kick the ball out to open shooters. His willingness to
pass out of those doubles has permeated through the rest of the roster, as
the Knicks routinely ping the ball around the perimeter until something opens
up. Anthony has long been labeled an inefficient ball hog who just guns for
his own shots and refuses to look for the open man. That label could not be
more ill-fitting this season.
这种打法是毫无疑问是很突出的,而最重要的部分就是瓜的低位,瓜也很乐意当遇到
(所以之後可能变成阿骂@@)
包夹时把球传出来,他的乐意传球将会传染到尼克名单上的每个人身上,瓜有很长的时间
被称为"效率差的持球者,而且自顾自的投篮,也不愿去看那些处於空档的人",不过这个
标签可能这赛季就会撕掉了!
Anthony has been patient and reactive in the post (and everywhere else),
constantly looking to keep the ball moving. If he gets doubled, he passes it
out to Felton, Kidd, Smith, Novak, Brewer, anybody. If the defense just
feigns a double, or if they leave him single-covered altogether, he attacks
quickly and decisively with his turnaround jumper or a face-up dribble drive.
瓜在低位是很有耐心的,而且很专注於让球轮转,如果他被包夹,他就会把球传给肥顿,
老基,JR,腰带王,小酒,任何一个人,如果防守者只是假装包夹,或是他们只留一个
在盯防他,那麽瓜会以迅雷不及掩耳的方式,果断地吃掉对手。
Coupled with his rise in post-up plays has been a decline in Anthony’s
favorite play – isolations. Just 21.7% of his possessions so far this season
have been of the Iso Melo variety, compared with 35.4% last season and 37%
during his 2010-11 Knick stint. The drop in designed isolation plays has kept
the Knicks’ ball movement crisp. The rise in other kinds of opportunities,
along with Carmelo’s trust that they will come later in the possession if he
kicks the ball out, has kept him from breaking the offense to isolate, as he
so often did both in Denver with George Karl and under Mike D’Antoni in New
York.
而瓜这季打得方式也有大改变了,ISO仅仅只有21.7%,上赛季是35.4%,上上赛季是37%,
因此球的转移非常乾净俐落,瓜非常相信机会总会到来的,如果球的流动被断了,瓜会
毫不犹豫的走上前来转成ISO模式,当初他在丹佛跟在冷哥底下时就很常这麽做了。
Pick-and-rolls
If the Knicks can’t get the ball to Melo in the post, the next option on the
possession is a pick-and-roll between Felton and Tyson Chandler. As we well
know, Chandler is one of the best pick-and-roll finishers in the league. Over
the past two seasons, he has ranked 18th and 2nd in PPP as a roll man, per
Synergy. His small sample size 1.78 PPP as a roll man so far this season
would dwarf his mark from each of the past two seasons, and though it is not
nearly sustainable, it does indicate just how effective he is finishing
around the rim in pick-and-roll situations.
Chandler’s presence has been a boon for Felton, who struggled with turnovers
in pick-and-rolls last season. He’s cut those turnovers down by over 5% and
raised his field goal percentage in pick-and-rolls nearly 2 points in the
early part of this season.
现在来谈尼克的P&R
如果尼克没办法把球交给在低位的瓜瓜,下一个选项就是让肥顿跟老钱打P&R,我们都知道
老钱是一个非常棒的P&R终结者,在过去的两个赛季中,身为ROLL MAN已经是他这两年来的
注册商标了,缩然这只是小样本还不足以说明论点,让我们来看看他的P&R的影响吧。
老钱的存在对肥顿来说是大帮助,肥顿上赛季挣扎於P&R的失误,他现在TO至少先少个5%
而且他的FG%大约多了2%。
Even more impressive for Felton has been his passing out of pick-and-rolls,
as seen above. He’s made sweet rim music with Chandler on more than one
occasion, tossing him alley-oops left and right (honestly, he’s hunting for
them far too often). Though Felton has yet to carry over his strong first
quarter starts through the rest of the game, his early play, and in
particular his creative passing, has set the tone of the rest of the game.
http://ppt.cc/Iguw
看看上面这个肥顿跟老钱的P&R,肥顿那有创造力的传球,在接下来的比赛中订下了节奏。
One particular pick-and-roll play the Knicks have run that I have fallen in
love with is this triple pick-and-roll, with screens set first by JR Smith,
then by Steve Novak, and then by any of the Knicks’ cadre of bigs. Smith
rolls to the corner, Novak to the wing, and the big through the middle of the
lane.
http://ppt.cc/Nvw-
这张图是是我超爱的那种三重P&R,看看JR先做第一次的SCREEN,然後腰带王再做一次,
JR往底角走,而腰带王走向侧翼,而大个子在弧顶SCREEN一次在往内切。
Here, the Miami heat smother Pablo Prigioni coming around the screens. But
they’re the Miami Heat for a reason. Their athleticism, size and the style
of defense they play all work in concert to disrupt even the best
pick-and-roll attacks.
http://ppt.cc/hq3W
就是上面这影片,虽然老普最後执行失败了,但你自己看看KT跟JR都是大空档。
不过对方是热火队,他们有那种体能可以这样玩。
Against the Dallas Mavericks, the play worked to perfection. Sheed’s roll
down the middle of the lane draws just enough defensive attention so that
Novak is open on the wing. As the defense closes out hard on the league’s
best 3-point shooter, he simply skips it over to Smith, who is waiting wide
open in the corner.
http://ppt.cc/e0a6
在看上面这影片,对小牛的时候这三重SCREEN就很成功了。
Off-ball screens
The creative and purposeful use of off-ball screens has been without a doubt
the most surprising – and best, and my favorite, and any other superlative
you can think of – thing about the new-look Knick offense. The use of
screens has ranged from very simple, like the cross-screen Carmelo receives
from Chandler to free him for an elbow jumper above, or the back screen Steve
Novak gets to create an open 3-pointer below, to things that are much more
complicated and creative.
http://ppt.cc/P_bL
另外个特点就是:无球SCREEN
看看上面那影片:老钱帮瓜制造出空档
http://ppt.cc/TnHK
或是像上面这样帮腰带王创造出三分空档。
One thing the Knicks have been doing a lot of is screen-for-screener plays,
only not in the way you usually think of them. When most teams run
screen-for-screener plays, they’ll have a guy set a screen, then receive
one. It’s a good way to create backdoor lob opportunities, especially when
you have explosive finishers who double as great screen-setters, like Tyson
Chandler. But what the Knicks are doing is setting screens for the guy who is
going to screen for somebody else, thus creating separation not only between
the ball-handler and his man, but also between the screener and his man
before the screen is even set.
尼克已经做了很多SCREEN的PLAY了,不只是你总是想得那种,当大部分的队伍都在玩
SCREEN时,他们将会让一个家伙上来SCREEN,然後在往内切,这是很常见的开後门方式,
尤其是你的终结者又是个不错的SCREEN者时,像老钱这种就特别好用,但是尼克在做的
不仅仅只是上前SCREEN,同时还会有人来帮SCREEN者掩护,因此,他们创造出来的空间
不只是持球者跟SCREEN者之间的,甚至还包含了那些额外的SCREEN者。
(这里好像在绕口令= =)
http://ppt.cc/ixbU
看看上面这影片,先是腰带王假装上前要去帮肥顿SCREEN,途中JR先帮腰带王SCREEN,
然後JR往内跑帮老钱SCREEN,老钱绕出来假装帮肥顿SCREEN,在往内跑,
瞧!禁区的大空档就这样出来了,而喇叭詹那无精打采的协防不成威胁。
There are some possessions where the Knicks are setting so many off-ball
picks that it almost makes you dizzy.
尼克这几场做超多这种无球SCREEN,几乎会让你看到眼花!
http://ppt.cc/aNd5
看看上面这个,JR先帮腰带王SCREEN,JR内切帮老钱SCREEN,老钱绕出来帮瓜SCREEN,
老钱再上前假装帮肥顿SCREEN,这时对方已经眼花让肥顿有空间可以直切禁区上篮,
然後肥顿在禁区在小传球给老钱。你已经可以看到小牛那几个惊慌的表情了~!
http://ppt.cc/Dra-
上面这个也很复杂,肥顿空手往禁区切,老钱帮SCREEN,然後肥顿在往三分线跑,
瓜前来帮SCREEN,JR把球传给跑出来的肥顿,随後自己空手往禁区切,老钱这时再帮
(这时JR体能够好的话,或许可以直接肥顿空抛给JR)
SCREEN,这时老钱在上前帮肥顿SCREEN,肥顿持球往禁区切,老钱跟进,肥顿空抛给老钱。
这时老钱前面已经只有篮框了,要注意的是这时候肥顿左右侧的瓜跟JR也是空档阿。
The most surprising participant in all this screening action is probably JR
Smith. As seen multiple times above, he’s often the man setting a pick on
Chandler’s man to free him up to go set a screen of his own. The Knicks have
also used Smith to set screens to free Novak, Brewer or Kidd for open
jumpers. There’s an added bonus to using Smith as the screener.
令人惊讶的是,JR超积极去当SCREEN者,你可以时常看到她帮老钱,腰带王,小酒,老基
创造空档,另外个好处是JR自己还会偷偷跑出另外一个空档。
http://ppt.cc/dSyh
看看这个,就是JR帮腰带王SCREEN,然後自己再偷跑出另外一个空档。
(尤其是现在JR三分命中率是可怕的72%...)
Dribble Hand-offs
If the post-up for Carmelo isn’t there, and the high pick-and-roll isn’t
there, this is often the next option on any given Knick possession. Felton
will enter the ball to Chandler (or Thomas or Wallace, but mostly Chandler)
in the high post, or Kidd on the wing, and then either set a screen for
Brewer, Smith or Novak in the corner, who comes to receive a dribble hand-off
from Chandler, or take a rub screen from Chandler on a cut to the hoop and
pop out off a screen on the other side for another pick-and-roll opportunity.
http://ppt.cc/YSVo
这个是另外一种的方式,肥顿带球过半场,老钱上高位,肥顿传球给老钱,肥顿空手内切
顺手还帮小酒SCREEN,然後老钱传球给小酒在帮小酒SCREEN,这时小酒已经有一个在罚球线
附近的空档,只是他没上就把球再丢还给肥顿@@。
(仔细想想JR在魔术战倒是有蛮多这种在罚球线附近的空档跳投)
http://ppt.cc/Znrq
这也是~
It is nothing short of shocking to me that Mike Woodson designed this
offense. It looks almost nothing like Iso Joe, Iso Melo, or whatever you want
to call the offense that he ran in Atlanta and last season in New York. There
are a few elements here and there, but the creativity he has shown with the
use of screens both on and off the ball, the lack of isolations and the fact
that he has tailored an offense to his personnel rather than trying to fit
square pegs in the round holes of his preferred system are all pleasant
surprises. In the early part of this season, Mike Woodson’s New York Knicks
have an offense that is one of the most innovative and fun to watch in the
entire league, and that is certainly something I never thought I’d be saying.
总之,现在尼克打得让我有点小震惊,武僧设计了这套进攻,这看起来几乎没有跟他以前的
ISO-JOE或ISO-MELO像的地方,但是武僧已经展现出他的创造力了,他利用这些SCREEN
跟无球跑动,并且减少了ISO的比例,事实上,他已经开始在融合这些球员的进攻,而不是
试图把人订死在他的体系里,这对我来说就是个大惊喜了。
这个赛季才刚开始,武僧的纽约尼克队已经打出了一种具有创新跟观看性的打法!!
我之前从来没想过压根没想过我会讲出这样的话呢~
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这一定是幻觉~这都是武僧的巫术~都是骗人的~
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1F:推 StrawBruce:专业! 11/16 00:54
2F:推 ILNARA:看影片也觉得melo单打变少了 但没想到统计出来 少这麽多~ 11/16 00:54
3F:→ ILNARA:武僧真的有在想办法 以往melo单打都是没办法的办法.. 11/16 00:54
4F:推 Jefa910:ISO其实蛮好用的 只消耗一个人体力 其他人休息等篮板 11/16 01:19
5F:推 Dopin:能够切进去大屁股 距离近一点基本上有空档进球稳定度还是高 11/16 01:21
6F:→ Dopin:不过这对腰带王那种长程火炮就不适用 XDDDD 11/16 01:21
7F:→ ILNARA:但说穿了现在这套 就是melo吸怪 大家会动 会跑就有球射XD 11/16 01:28
8F:推 dj6601:明天这套对popo这老狐狸不知道有没有效 不过以melo为战术 11/16 01:29
9F:→ ILNARA:melo传球慾望↑团队跑动慾望↑战绩↑球迷爽度↑↑↑↑↑↑ 11/16 01:29
10F:→ dj6601:核心 我还挺喜欢的 至少撕裂防守很奏效 赞! 11/16 01:29
11F:→ ILNARA:嘿呀~我上季就有说过了 melo最好用的地方是吸怪 不是单打XD 11/16 01:30
12F:→ dj6601:武僧冲刺减肥↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ 11/16 01:31
13F:→ ILNARA:而且现在内线有melo牵制 外线有JR牵制 要破解至少要两只锁 11/16 01:31
14F:→ dj6601:我觉得 在各队越来越熟悉我们的战术後 阿骂的回归是转捩点 11/16 01:33
15F:→ dj6601:阿骂如果能保持健康 最怕又碰上撞墙期 11/16 01:34
16F:推 ILNARA:我相信武僧有办法解决 拳王 melo 阿骂空间的冲突~(调度XD 11/16 01:35
17F:→ dj6601:连胜又连败 我的心脏肯定受不了的 11/16 01:35
18F:→ ILNARA:连败也没多大不好 至少问题被打出来了XD 11/16 01:36
19F:→ ILNARA:但我个人认为 阿骂中距离手感回来 什麽问题都解决了.. 11/16 01:36
20F:→ dj6601:问题最好能直接在场上解决啦 幸好武僧不是冷笑话那种老顽固 11/16 01:37
21F:→ dj6601:以目前的调度来看 表现不好就顾板凳 武僧应该没在怕的 11/16 01:38
22F:推 ILNARA:冷笑话太依赖控球了 我们没有NASH CP3或蝶龙那种顶级控球 11/16 01:40
23F:→ ILNARA:去发挥冷笑话的功力....控球被顾死 麻烦就来了.. 11/16 01:41
24F:推 dj6601:老基该庆幸冷笑话已经走了吗 不然这把老骨头..... 11/16 01:43
25F:推 ILNARA:XD 打太久的话 KIDD要防守付出的体力太多了.. 11/16 01:44
26F:推 HidakaShu:这季我们打出来的球看得就是舒服~ 11/16 01:46
27F:→ HidakaShu:melo传球慾望↑团队跑动慾望↑战绩↑球迷爽度↑↑↑↑↑ 11/16 01:46
28F:推 dj6601:明天终於能跟live了 兴奋的睡不着呢!!YA 11/16 01:48
29F:推 ILNARA:我要早点睡了 晚安~ (不想睡过头 错过本季第一场Live...=.= 11/16 01:48
30F:→ dj6601:same here! bye 11/16 01:49
31F:→ ILNARA:掰掰~早上见~(^_<)~☆--- 11/16 01:50
32F:推 p78533578:看样子一切都得看JR了。XDDD 11/16 01:59
33F:推 Jefa910:未看先猜两位都睡过头 11/16 02:14
34F:→ chen06:本版有B大真是太棒了~按很多个赞^^ 11/16 06:09
35F:推 skymay:感谢B大的翻译!!! 大推武僧的进化!! 之前真的很多人都一直 11/16 06:10
36F:→ skymay:不看好武僧 XDD 还一直骂武僧只会叫球员单打 XD 11/16 06:11
37F:推 BleuOmbre:Screen!!! 11/16 07:35
38F:推 hell2112:推翻译,看战术看得好热血啊! 11/16 07:59
39F:推 ILNARA:...杰发..<(# ̄皿 ̄)╮☆(__ __||) 11/16 09:29
40F:推 Jefa910:猜错了>_< 11/16 09:30
41F:推 shaqattack:pro 11/16 12:23
42F:→ drcula:年初其实就有讨论,武僧当年也是无可用之兵,只好玩ISO战术 11/16 16:34
43F:→ drcula:更别说今年季後赛的惨状,能打什麽战术,巧妇难为无米之炊 11/16 16:35
44F:推 walkerinsky:thx!!! 11/16 20:34
45F:推 esther81828:我想骂脏话!!!!! 我看得超嗨!!!!! 11/16 21:35
46F:→ esther81828:无球screen超级棒 11/16 21:36
47F:→ esther81828:平常看球会一直盯着持球者看 再来就是跟持球者直接相 11/16 21:37
48F:→ esther81828:关的左右那两个球员,以後会多看看在中间跑无球的人!! 11/16 21:37
49F:→ drcula:今天老基抄球->melo单打,遇三人包->妙传肥顿,前面有墙,回转 11/16 22:36
50F:→ drcula:後抛JR大空档三分得手.............在场观众都欢呼了 11/16 22:37
51F:推 jijuan:推 11/17 17:44