Reviving Amar’e Stoudemire in the post http://0rz.tw/NKDzP 图:http://0rz.tw/vbvW9 Amar’e Stoudemire is in Houston, having joined the long list of NBA players who have turned to Hakeem Olajuwon for post-up tutoring. Which raises the question: What the heck happened to Stoudemire’s post game? 阿骂在休士顿参加欧拉朱旺的低位训练营,现在有个问题是阿骂的低位发生了麽问题? We don’t think of Stoudemire as a post-up player because even in his Phoenix prime, he was a turbo-charged pick-and-roll finisher for Steve Nash and a guy who preferred to face the basket in one-on-one situations. 因为他以前在凤凰城的样子,让我们认为阿骂不是一个打低位的选手,他在那边担当的 是档拆後的终结者,而且阿骂更喜欢在1对1的情况下使用面框打法 But he had a post game, especially in 2009-10, when the Suns made a memorable run to the Western Conference finals under Alvin Gentry. In that season, 19.2 percent of the possessions Stoudemire finished with a shot, turnover or drawn foul came via post-up plays, according to Synergy Sports. That was a larger share than Stoudemire devoted to pick-and-rolls or isolations. Watch the tape, and it’s clear: Going to Stoudemire on the left wing, just outside the paint and about halfway between the baseline and foul line, was probably the second-most-important set in the Suns’ arsenal. 但是阿骂是有背框的,尤其是09-10赛季,当时令人怀念的太阳打到了西冠,在那赛季 根据Synergy Sports,阿骂有19.2%的出手都是来自低位的投篮,要犯规,失误 这比阿骂在p&r跟单打後所占的比率还要大,看看太阳的影片吧,这是很清楚的 阿骂在左翼启动,就刚好在罚球线跟底线的中间,这曾是太阳第二重要的得分武器 It was unstoppable, too. Stoudemire shot 50 percent (136-of-272) out of the post in 2009-10 and scored almost exactly one point per possession on those plays, a mark that would generally rank among the half-dozen best low-post scoring rates for players of all positions who use more than a token number of possessions on the block. Over and over, the Suns would find Stoudemire in that sweet spot on the left wing and simply get out his way, clearing the other four players to the right side of the floor or the top of the three-point arc. Creating that space was easier in Phoenix than it is in New York because Stoudemire in that season often played center, with Channing Frye, a long-range shooter, as his big-man partner. Still, the Suns sometimes paired Stoudemire with a more traditional big man, such as Robin Lopez or Lou Amundson, and simply stationed that player somewhere along the right baseline when it was time for Amar’e to operate. That set-up didn’t provide him with as much space as the Frye alignment, but it didn’t matter. 这曾经是守不住的,阿骂的09-10赛季投篮命中率有五成(136/272),几乎每次出手 就有一分入帐,这代表着在当时阿骂的低位单打命中率名列前茅,之後太阳终於发现 当阿骂在左翼低位时,会让其他队友退到球场的右方或者是弧顶3分线,在太阳要出清出空间 (等等...之前说瓜喜欢在右边出手 这样看来阿骂是适合在左边罗@@?) 会比阿骂在尼克时容易,因为阿骂在太阳是打C,他当时的搭档有Channing Frye他有一手 不错的射程,还有Robin Lopez,阿穆森,当阿骂开启进攻模式时,他们会退到右方底线, 虽然他们没办法提供像Channing Frye那样的大空间,但是这并不是甚麽问题 (这样看来阿骂跟老钱并没有我们想得那麽不合@@?) In 2011-12 with the Knicks, only 10 percent of the possessions Stoudemire finished came via post-ups. Worse yet: He shot 39 percent on those plays. Out of 85 players who used at least 75 post-up possessions last season, Stoudemire, once one of the league’s best at this stuff, ranked 58th in points per possession, according to a report Synergy put together for SI.com. Right around him in the rankings: Patrick Patterson, Enes Kanter and Tyler Hansbrough. That is not Stoudemire’s preferred company, especially if the Knicks and coach Mike Woodson want him down there more often next season, as ESPN New York’s Jared Zwerling reports. 到了11-12时期,阿骂的进攻只剩下10%是低位,更悲剧的是他的命中率只有39%,在那些 85个选手中排倒数的,在他附近的人有Patrick Patterson,Enes Kanter,Tyler Hansbrough 这些可不是阿骂该拿来比较的人选阿...尤其是当尼克跟武僧希望他在低位增加威胁性 There was never a huge margin for error in Stoudemire’s post game, even at his peak. He is insanely left-wing dominant, and he basically has two moves. First: a drive to the left baseline, usually preceded by a head/shoulder fake to his right, that can end in a number of ways: a blow-by dunk, a pull-up floater over a backpedaling defender, a pull-up jumper or a crazy finish in which Stoudemire goes under the rim, pops out the other side and launches an improbable two-handed fading mini-jumper. He’s uncomfortable finishing with his left hand, so those layups and floaters on the left side of the rim are righty shots, meaning he takes the ball back toward the defense rather than hiding it along the baseline and behind his body. And in 2009-10, Stoudemire rarely took jumpers out of the post — something that changed in New York, and generally changes for players as they age. 阿骂在低位时从来没有出现过甚麽重大失误,即使他还在巅峰时,他就是个疯狂的左翼 进攻者,他基本脚步有两种:1.先把球运到左边底线,然後把球转到右手做个假晃 接下来就是灌篮跟抛投或跳投,他还有一种不可思议的双手後仰跳投,阿骂不是擅长一个用 左手完成进攻的人,所以当阿骂在左边底线上篮跟抛投都是用右手完成,这将会使球曝露在 防守者的面前,而不是藏在他身後,在09-10赛季阿骂很少在低位以外的地方选择跳投 而在纽约时期却变多了,大部分他这年纪的球员都会在这时做出改变 Move No. 2 is basically the opposite: a left shoulder fake toward the baseline, followed by one hard right-handed dribble into the paint and a quick righty jump hook. Stoudemire would occasionally toss in a counter spin at the end of each move, but it’s typically slow and labored, by his standards. And for whatever reason, he is slower and much less comfortable from the right wing, and uses many more dribbles to do his work there. 而第二种:则是跟第一种相反,他会左肩假晃一下假装要前往底线,然後向右切进油漆区 迅速地做个右手钩射,有时阿骂会多做个转身,但是用他的体能标准来看,他的转身真的 (让我又想到欧拉朱旺说阿骂这几个礼拜都在不断的传身XD) 很僵硬又慢,而且不知道甚麽原因,当她在右翼时他显得很慢而且很不舒服,做了过多的运球 (阿骂别慌 以後右边就交给瓜吧 反正他很喜欢在右边XD) His post game reminds of Nene’s. Both are speed-based and generally lacking in “crisis moves” to which the players can turn when the defender manages to withstand the first quick attack. Two things can ruin a post game like that: the combination of age and injuries, and the influx of new players who take up space down low. Both came together in New York last season, and Woodson and his staff face big a task in reinventing Stoudemire as a post-up force. But it’s certainly not an insurmountable challenge. 阿骂的低位会让你想到nene,他们俩个都是用不错的速度却缺乏一种致命的步伐 所以一旦他们两个被防守者守住第一步的进攻,他们就会自乱阵脚了 有两点会毁掉低位进攻,1.年纪跟伤痛 2.队伍增加了新的内线球员而压缩到空间 这两点很不巧的最近一季纽约都有,这使着武僧新上任就面临一个大问题 如何让阿骂复活,当然这并不是不能克服的难题 Center Tyson Chandler obviously needs to be somewhere the near basket, which naturally brings another defender close to the rim. That’s not a new thing for Stoudemire; as mentioned above, he has plenty of experience eyeing defenders lurking just outside the lane on the right baseline and finishing his move before they can get there. Forward Carmelo Anthony also enjoys the wing area, though he’s very right-wing dominant in both his isolations and post-up plays — something that might have made the Knicks believe he’d be a nice fit with Stoudemire. But he’s still down there, and so a lot of Stoudemire’s post attacks last season drew him into crowds like this: 图:http://0rz.tw/capT2 尼克的中锋老钱很明显的需要在篮框附近,因此他会把防守者也带到篮框附近 对於阿骂来说,这已经不是甚麽新奇的事了,就如同我上面所说的,阿骂有足够的经验去应付 那些在油漆右方所过来的协防者并且把球送进篮框里,同时瓜瓜也喜欢在侧翼活动 他非常喜欢在右侧启动他的单打,这些事情给了尼克一些徵兆,尼克相信瓜瓜跟阿骂 是可以融合在一起的,但是世事难料,瓜很喜欢跑到低位等球,这将会让阿骂面临很多 内线防守者就像这张图 图:http://0rz.tw/capT2 (这就真的蛮需要训练营来磨合了@@) 或像这样 http://0rz.tw/8IHfN Or this, with Dwight Howard (No. 12, under the basket) already in the paint a few steps away from Chandler, and Hedo Turkoglu (No. 15, at the free-throw line) almost ignoring Anthony up top, ready to crash on Stoudemire’s righty hook shot: 图:http://0rz.tw/uMCqx 草莓兽无视老钱而Hedo Turkoglu也无视瓜的三分 Anthony is a smart player, though. He knows that when Stoudemire is posting up and Chandler is in the game, he has to get his tail out to three-point line to give Stoudemire room to breathe. But that raises an ongoing issue in New York: Teams don’t fear Anthony’s three-point shooting. Last season, then, opponents sent defenders diving down into the post off Anthony, along with Landry Fields, Iman Shumpert and other shaky long-range shooters the Knicks sent out there. 其实瓜瓜是个很聪明的球员,他知道当阿骂在低位时还有老钱也在场上时,他必须把 自己的防守者拖到3分线来,给予阿骂足够的空间可以存活,但是这里有了一个问题 就是对手并不害怕瓜瓜的三分球阿...防守瓜的人看到瓜在三分线就退一步守他 当然被受到这等待遇的人不只有瓜,还有LF,香波,其他尼克在外围的射手 (大概只有novak不会被放吧....敢放novak的目前看到只有wade 因为她回得来Q^Q) In addition, Stoudemire, according to every scout, coach and personnel guy you talk to, lost a bit of explosiveness and leaping ability last season, whether it was due to age, several nagging injuries or all of it combined. He gave us glimpses of his old explosiveness, especially late in the season before his back injury in March, but they were mostly just glimpses. 此外,根据每一个球探,教练,任何一个你在谈论的人都知道上一季的阿骂的爆发力跟跳跃力 都已经下滑了,无论是否是年龄加伤痛的综合影响,他上一季3月让我们有瞥到几眼从前的他 不过就只有几眼...之後他就受伤了 All of this stuff — age, injuries, new personnel — combined to close Stoudemire’s post-up window a precious half-second faster than he was used to in Phoenix. Those righty finishes on the left side? They came with his initial defender still in his face, or with a helper there from the weak side earlier than expected, in position to challenge or block the shot. And on those righty hooks, more defenders were able to keep up with Stoudemire’s first step, so that they were in front him when he gathered the ball to shoot, and not a half-step behind. 年龄,伤痛,新队友,这些因素的结合都让阿骂开发低位进攻的可能性被关闭了,这比他在 太阳时还要快被关闭,那些在左边用右手终结的招式?现在防守他的人都知道要紧跟着他 并且从弱边来协防的人也比他预期的还要快来到他身边阻止他,现在也越来越多的防守者 可以跟上阿骂的第一步而来干扰他,而不是落在她身後 Without counter moves, the sort of things Olajuwon is teaching him now, Stoudemire had nowhere to go. He has never been a gifted passer from the block or on the move; even in 2010-11, by far his best passing season, the bulk of his assists came from a stationary position above the foul line, where he could pick out cutters and pitch the ball to shooters spaced around the court in former coach Mike D’Antoni’s system. 如果没有从欧拉朱旺(现在在教他的)那边学到步伐跟转身,阿骂将无路可走 阿骂从来没有做出为了闪避火锅跟一个脚步的移动所出现不错的传球 即使在10-11他最棒的传球生涯年,他的助攻也都是来自罚球线附近所完成的 在冷哥的体制中,阿骂在罚球线上可以找到众多空手跑位者跟射手 It sounds simple to say, “Be a better passer on the move, Amar’e!” Or, “ Learn the ‘Dream Shake,’ Amar’e.” But these are major adjustments for in-their-prime stars used to playing a certain way. "去成为一个不错的传球者跟学会梦幻步伐"听起来很简单,但是做起来很难 There is nothing magical about how the Knicks might better mesh their three frontcourt stars, both in general and in optimizing Stoudemire’s post-up game and other individual skills. The solutions have always been right there on tape, lost amid the pile of other empty possessions — Anthony looping around a Jeremy Lin/Chandler pick-and-roll; Stoudemire cutting from the weak side as Anthony posts up on the right block, or Anthony cutting from the right as Stoudemire posts up on the left; high-low post-ups with Stoudemire and Anthony the same side; the sort of snug pick-and-rolls near the lane that Monta Ellis and David Lee got so good at in Golden State; all three stars becoming more willing and able to make tricky interior passes on the move; more pick-and-roll combinations, and more movement from more players built around those combinations. 对於尼克想要融合她家的三巨头已经不是甚麽神奇的事了,他们的第一件事就是提升 阿骂的低位跟其他个人技巧,解决方法总是存在录影带内,从无数的备案找出答案 瓜在豪哥跟老钱的P&R附近埋伏,当瓜在右侧低位时阿骂从左弱边空切,或者相反, 阿骂跟瓜打高低位配合,罚球线附近的挡拆,就像是ELLIS跟DAVID LEE在勇士所做的一样 We’ve gone over all it before, and we’re not even touching on other big things, including the possibility of cutting the minutes the three stars play together. Stoudemire’s post game died in New York last season. A week with Olajuwon isn ’t going to resurrect it, but it’s the kind of good, hard work that can help settle one issue among many interrelated problems that plagued New York’ s broken offense. New York won’t solve out all of them, all of the time, and addressing one doesn’t necessarily create some kind of domino effect toward an efficient NBA offense. Evolution at the team and individual level in the NBA is a tricky, unpredictable thing. But small bits of progress, even inconsistent progress, on a dozen small fronts adds up. 我们说了很多种想法,包括让这三人同时在场的时间缩短 总之阿骂的低位已经在上一季就死了,从欧拉朱旺那里学了两个礼拜并没办法挽救他 但是这是个正面的讯息,努力的训练可以使帮助他们的互动默契问题,尼克没办法解决所有 的问题,也没办法只靠一个人就带起他们的攻守效应,在NBA中球队的发展跟个人球技的 关系是令人难以猜测的,但是一个小小的进步,即使是断断续续的,微不足道的,久了 也会是很大的一步! 心得:阿骂加油Q^Q... -- ─∥ ─── ◣ =◥"◥’． ∵ ◆∥ ψsherry821224 ────────────── ∥ ◤ ◥ ◤ ◥ ∥ ◤ ◢◤\ ◣◥ Teammates don't ∥ ╱ ∥◤￣◣ ﹍◣∥◤￣╲∥ ╱∥◤￣╲ ▼‵､λ﹀▼▼ play with each ∥◆◇ ∥ ∥∥◣∥ ∥╱ ∥◣＿ ─-.╳ ︶- other, they play ∥ ╲ ∥ ∥∥ ∥ ∥ ╲ ◥∥▲ ρ\ `, ▲▲ FOR each other. ─∥ ╲ ∥ ∥∥ ∥◣＿╱∥ ╲╲＿◢∥ ◥ | ◢────────…‥． --

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