http://tinyurl.com/ljyfd83 Friday Mail Sac: It's all about timing and value to contract, but is the timing and valuation correct? Let's see...where to start? I think that I want to start by applauding everyone that has commented over the past few days over the incendiary topic that is Tyreke Evans. While there has certainly been some extremism on both sides of the aisle, the overall conversation has been dynamic and informative. And the tone has had far more respect than I would have guessed (with a few notable exceptions). The ban hammer and timeout tapper have been on high alert, but there have been very few occasions to unsheathe them. Well done! There are great rationalizations on either side of this debate. On the one side is that this team is not as good without Evans as they are with Evans. And if the sum of this summer's roster moves wind up being Evans for Vasquez, I would agree. 我想首先我要称赞大家在过去几天有关Tyreke的交易讨论， 的确正反两面有些极端的声音，但整体而言，讨论不断的在进行，彼此交换讯息。 且比我猜想的更理性且相互尊重(少数例外)。 言论禁止或暂停讨论这些管理者的手段一直保持在警戒状态， 但只有在极少数的场合才需要派上用场。干得好！ 讨论双方都有很合理的论点。一边认为这支球队没有Evans也没有比拥有Evans好。 如果今年夏天球员名单止於Evans而非Vaz，我会希望如此。 Vasquez will certainly provide a pass-first mindset that we have not seen from the point guard position since perhaps Jason Williams, and this will make everyone on the team better on the offensive end. However, we should also keep the very real perspective that Vasquez was probably not a top 15 point guard by the end of last season. He's a suspect shooter, and has not shown much passion for defense. Just like Tyreke Evans, he needs to address the deficiencies in his game to get to the next level. And make no mistake: Evans is at a much higher level right now as a player than Greivis Vasquez. 也许Vaz是从J.Will以来，我们很久没见过的传球第一的控球後卫(按:SRod?)， 这将使得在进攻端让队上每个球员都更好。 然而，我们也应该看清现实，上个赛季Vaz可能还不是排名前15的控球後卫。 你会怀疑他到底是不是个射手，也不热衷於防守。 就像Tyreke，他需要改善本身的缺善，去达到一个新的水平。 而且没有错：作为一名球员，Evans比Vaz还要更好。 On the other side of this debate is that Evans is not worth the 4 year, $44m investment, or at the very least that there are better ways to spend that money. As someone that would have paid Evans that amount (and $1m a year more before I cried "Uncle"), I'm not sure that I agree...yet. I would tend to agree that a team with Tyreke Evans as their centerpiece is not a serious playoff contender. However, an $11m a year player is not centerpiece pricing. $11m a year would have made Evans the 4th highest paid player on Miami last year, and the 3rd highest paid player on the Spurs. If we skip down to the 4th seeds in the playoffs, Evans would have been the 5th highest paid player on the Nets and the 3rd highest paid player on the Clippers (Griffin's new contract not kicking in until 2013-14). Tied for 3rd on Boston, 4th on the Lakers (both 7th seeds), but tied for 1st on 8th seed Milwaukee and 1st on Houston (with Harden's new deal kicking in this year). 另一种辩论的角度是，Evans不值得在他身上投资4年4400万美元， 或至少是有更好的方式来花这笔钱。正如同有人愿意向Evans支付这笔金额， 至少到目前为止我不确定我同意这个论点。 我倾向於同意，以Tyreke作为球队核心不会成为一个季後赛的竞争者。 然而，每年$11m也并非核心球员的价码。 若在去年的迈阿密，Tyreke每年$11m的薪水是第四高的，在马刺则是第三高。 在往下看季後赛中的第4种子，在篮网会是第五高，快艇则是第三高 (Griffin的新合约要到2013-14才开始执行)。 并列Boston第三高，湖人第四高(都是第7种子)， 但同样是第8种子的Milwaukee和Houston则是第一高(胡子新合约今年开始执行)。 The Kings could have matched and retained Evans at 4/$44m without really mortaging the franchise or committing to him that he was "the man" or the face of the franchise. The Kings could have elected to pay Evans and pay Cousins at or near the max next year and still be under the cap, albeit not enough to sign an upper tier player. But in 2015-16, the team would have an abundance of cap room, with Cousins/Evans and Thompson being the only current contracts of any note (McLemore would be earning a couple of million at this point). 国王大可以花4/$44m匹配并保留Tyreke， 无需把他当成救世主或者承诺他就是国王要的那个人。 国王可以选择付给Tyreke，并且在明年给考表弟达到或接近最大的合约， 且仍然在薪资上限以下，尽管不够签其它更好的球员。 但在2015-16年，只剩表弟/Tyreke/JT有合约，球队将有充足的薪资空间 (这一点对McLemore来说会使他多赚几百万)。 Given these numbers, I'm not sure that the timing matters. I mean, you don't want to throw a $44m investment out there if it's not going to improve your team, so if the mindset of the franchise is that you don't pay out for your 2nd or 3rd best player until you have paid out for your best player, I can at least see a bit of the logic. But as versatile as Evans is, it sure seems that you could retain him and retrofit him as you bring in other talent. It really comes down to value, in my opinion. Simply, the Kings front office did not value Tyreke Evans as a 4/$44m player. For those that agree with the front office, it's "Welcome our new cap guru and analytic overlords!" For those that disagree, it's "I miss Geoff Petrie!", or at the very least, some insight into what the front office is thinking here. 考虑到这些数字，我不确定跟顺序是否有关联。 我的意思是，如果它不会使你的球队进步，你不会希望就这样随便投资$44m， 所以这种心态是，直到你付钱给你的最佳球员，你才会付给第二或第三的球员， 我终於可以看到一点点的逻辑。但像Tyreke这样的多功能球员， 肯定似乎得挽留他，改造他直到你带来其他更好的人才。 在我看来，终归一点就是价值。简单地说，国王的新团队认为Tyreke不值4/$44m。 对於那些同意的人，“欢迎我们的新薪资上限大师和数据分析霸主！” 对於那些不同意的人，“我好怀念Petrie！”， 至少目前为止我们可以了解上头的人都在想些什麽。 One thing that is really not debatable is the value to contract of Vasquez. He is a starting caliber point guard (again, though, not currently a top 15), at a very low $2.2m. I like Jeff Teague a lot, but Vasquez is not all that far away from Teague, so it will be interesting to see what kind of contract Teague draws this summer. Because whatever it is, that could potentially be the market for Vasquez next year if/when he becomes a restricted free agent. Teague's contract will definitely provide a negotiating point for Vasquez as this process moves forward, if the Kings indeed have an interest in keeping him around (FWIW, I put little stock in the scuttlebutt that the Kings wanted Calderon over Vasquez, and even if that is true, this does not automatically mean that they dislike Greivis, especially since they are indeed acquiring him as of right now). As much as I would have paid Evans 4/$44m, Vasquez's contract is the better value right now, though perhaps for only one year. 有一件事你不用怀疑，那就是Vaz合约的价值。 他是一个先发等级的的控球後卫(再次强调虽然不在前15名内)，非常低的$2.2m的薪资。 我非常喜欢Jeff Teague，但Vaz也差不了多少，很好奇今夏Teague会怎麽签。 所以不管如何，Vaz明年夏天成为受限制自由球员，势必很有市场价值。 Teague的合约势必会提供Vaz一个谈判的参考，如果国王确实想留下他 (无论如何，我听到的传言是，国王对Calderon更有兴趣，即使如此， 也并不意味着他们不喜欢Vaz，特别是因为他们现在也得到他了）。 即便我多麽愿意支付Tyreke 4/$44m，目前Vaz的合约更有价值，即便只有一年。 And while I agree that the sign & trade is better than outright losing Evans, the fact is that the Kings had the opportunity and authority not to lose him. The fact that they are electing to do so simply means that they think that Evans is (a) overvalued at this contract offer, and (b) not worth paying over value for. The overvaluation component is important here. At some point every team has to overpay for talent in order to be competitive. However, given the cap constraints, your hope is to relegate those overpayments to your top couple of players. Is Evans one of those guys? The Kings seem to be saying no. The Kings seem to be saying that they are going to ultimately look elsewhere for their top-end talent (I have no clue as to where right now and your guess is probably better than mine), and they have either chosen flexibility over Evans, or something else is going to happen that we are not privy to yet. It is, after all, only July 5. 我同意S&T总比彻底失去Tyreke好，但事实是，国王有机会也有权力不失去他。 他们选择这样做只是意味着他们认为Tyreke这份合约太大，且不值得跟进这价码。 合约太大这点是很重要的。 在某些时候，每个球队必须多付点钱留下这些天赋以保持竞争力。 然而，由於薪资上限的限制，你的希望是贬谪那些你需多付钱的队上的顶尖球员。 Tyreke是这类人吗？国王似乎不这麽认为。 国王似乎在说，他们还在寻找最终更顶尖的球员(我没有线索，也许你猜的比我准)， 他们选择保持弹性更胜於签下Tyreke，或许还会发生什麽惊天动地的事我们不知道。 毕竟现在也才7月5日。 A side note to all of this is the Robin Lopez component. I think that I am once again valuing Lopez higher than the front office. Lopez is due to make $5.1m and $5.3m over the next two years actually $5.9m and $6.1m after factoring in the trade kicker - hat tip CaliforniaJag). That's not a bad price for a defensive-minded center. Lopez would provide more defensive interior presence than anyone since Samuel Dalembert. He is not a plus-rebounder, but that happens sometimes with guys that are busy altering shots (his rebounding rate is on a par with Marc Gasol, for example). I can't see why the Kings wouldn't keep him, unless there is something else brewing that we don't know about. I'm OK with receiving 2nd round picks for Lopez instead of Jeff Withey (who is reportedly headed to the Pelicans in this deal), as I think that those picks may be ultimately used to obtain good players from other teams that are looking to shed contract, or as pieces to other future trades. Again, so much is contingent on the next deal...if that deal is indeed forthcoming. 还需要关注R.Lopez这部份。跟上头比较起来，我还是认为Lopez价值更高。 由於Lopez未来两年薪资为$5.1m和$5.3m，对於一个防守型中锋这价格不差。 (由於交易的关系，实际上得支付$5.9m和$6.1m。)(按:不懂规则) Lopez将提供自大懒伯以来最好的内线防守影响力。 他不是一个好的篮板手，但有时会是因为有些人急於出手。 (他的篮板率与Mark Gasol差不多) 我看不出为什麽国王会不想要他，除非有别的我们不知道的东西。 选择第二轮选秀权替代Jeff Withey(去小鸟了)而舍弃Lopez我认为OK， 我认为那些选秀权最终可能会被用来获得其他球队想摆脱合同的优秀的球员， 或包进其他未来的交易。再次得说，下一次交易有太多可能性....如果真的有交易的话。 Overall, I'm not pleased with where the Kings roster is today as opposed to where it was right after the draft. But that could change in the blink of an eye, or within minutes of me posting this, or by July 12 and the first day of Vegas Summer League, or by training camp, or by the trade deadline, or by next year, or perhaps the year after that. My hope is that there are still plenty of chapters to be written about the Sacramento Kings offseason of 2013. 总体而言，比起选秀刚结束，我实在不爽现在国王的球员名单。 但也可能在眨眼之间就改变了，或者我张贴这几分钟内，或者在7月12日， 或者拉斯维加斯夏季联赛的第一天，又或者训练营，或者在交易截止日前，或者明年， 或者後年。我希望国王这个2013的夏季还没有结束，继续让我有东西可以写。 -- 这篇应该可以引起更多共鸣 --

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