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※ [本文转录自 NBA 看板 #1Gyew0Fe ] 作者: sampsonlu919 (SNL应该在PTT有专版) 看板: NBA 标题: [专栏] ESPN:如果国王队真的搬走了,然後呢? 时间: Sun Jan 13 18:37:48 2013 If the Kings move, then what? 原文:http://es.pn/UDcNDH 翻译:http://bit.ly/11srIaQ by Beardsanity A Seattle investor is reportedly interested in buying the Kings. Could an NBA franchise really be returning to the Emerald City? What would a new Seattle team be called? What would become of the history of the Kings? Our panel discusses the hottest topics surrounding Sacramento's potential move. 据报导,一个西雅图的投资家有意向买下国王队。真的可能有一支NBA球队重回翡翠之 城吗?西雅图的新球队名字会是什麽?国王队又会变成什麽样子?我们的圆桌会成员 讨论了Sacramento可能搬走的相关热门话题。 1. 如果国王队搬去了西雅图,他们应该拆散球队阵容吗? If the Kings move to Seattle, should they blow up the roster? Danny Chau, Hardwood Paroxysm网站球评: Yes, a scorched-earth policy singeing the trail from Northern California to the Washington coast would be best for a prospective Seattle team. These franchise-altering shifts always warrant a fresh start. Outside of hometown hero Isaiah Thomas and probably DeMarcus Cousins, the organization should actively pursue as many transactions as possible. 是的,从北加利福尼亚一路烧到华盛顿海岸的焦土政策会是未来的西雅图球队最好的 选择。这种球队易主的改变总是会带来全新的开始。除了荣归故里的英雄Isaiah Thomas 、还很可能有DeMarcus Cousins之外,球队应当积极寻求尽可能多的交易。 James Ham, 国王部落格Cowbell Kingdom网站球评: The Kings have some pieces to build around, but a good portion of the roster needs upgrading. They are a lottery team again this season, but youth is not what they need. What they need is a new ownership group with the financial strength to pay free agents. Can you imagine DeMarcus Cousins in a city where it rains over 300 days a year? 国王队有一些可以围绕重建的球员,但是名单上很大一部分都需要升级。他们这赛季又 成为了一支乐透球队,但是年轻球员并不是他们所需要的。他们需要的是全新的球队 老板,有足够的财力可以签下自由球员。你能想像Cousins呆在一个一年365天有300天 在下雨的城市吗? Mark Haubner, The Painted Area网站球评: No. This is still a very young team, which is on pace for a solid eight-game improvement (and only two games behind the Lakers!), though there's still obviously a lot of roster-shaping to be done. Blowing it up would entail dumping DeMarcus Cousins, who's too talented to give up on at age 22. But jettisoning Tyreke Evans should definitely be on the table. 不应该。这还是一支很年轻的球队,正走在能比过去多赢8场比赛的大道上(而且只比 湖人队多输了2场!),尽管很明显球队阵容需要很多的改变。全部拆散意味着必须要 甩掉Cousins,他如此的有天赋而且才22岁,你不会想要放弃他的。但是抛弃Tyreke Evans确实应当被摆在桌面上了。 Beckley Mason, ESPN.com: The Kings haven't won more than 25 games in four years so I'm not sure there's much to "blow up." Once new management figures out if Cousins wants to stick around, they should consider pretty much every other player on the roster expendable and think long term. 国王队在过去的4个赛季都没能赢得超过25场比赛,所以我不能确定他们有很多可以“ 拆散”的。一旦新的管理层弄清楚了Cousins是否想要留下来,他们应当把剩下几乎所有 的球员都视为可交易的,做好长远打算。 Royce Young, 雷霆部落格Daily Thunder球评: Yes. If there's ever a time a fan base is going to be forgiving, it's right after a move. That was part of the reason the Presti Plan was so successful in Oklahoma City. Fans never got disgruntled about the terribleness of the team because they were just excited to have basketball. And a new team in Seattle would have that same luxury. Fresh city, fresh start, fresh roster. 应该。如果球迷们决定宽容一次的话,那一定是球队刚搬完家之後。这也是Sam Presti 的计划在奥克拉荷马如此成功的原因之一。球迷不会为球队的糟糕表现感到不满意的, 因为他们很高兴重新拥有了篮球。西雅图的新球队也会享受这种待遇的。新城市,新 开始,新阵容。 2. 如果国王队搬走了,西雅图的新球队应当叫什麽? If the Kings move, what should a new Seattle franchise be called? Chau: If the deal goes through, I can't envision any scenario in which Seattle doesn't reclaim the Sonics moniker. There's a lot in a name, and a new one implies years of building trust and community from the ground up. But there is a Sonics nation lying dormant just waiting to be aroused. I like the sound of "Seattle Anoraks," though. 如果易主完成了,我不能想像西雅图没有重新叫回超音速这个名字。一个名字涵盖了 很多,新名字意味着需要很多年来重新建立信任度和社区环境。但是超音速国度就潜伏 在那里,等待着被人唤醒。不过我喜欢西雅图滑雪衫队(Anoraks)的叫法。 Ham: There is no reason a new team in Seattle shouldn't be called the SuperSonics. But there are plenty of Sacramento Kings fans who would prefer the Seattle Hypocrites or maybe something sporty like the Seattle Bandits. 西雅图的新球队没有理由不被叫做超音速队。但是很多Sacramento国王队的球队可能会 选择西雅图伪君子队(Hypocrites)或是西雅图土匪队(Bandits)这样华丽丽的名字。 Haubner: SuperSonics. All one word, capital "S" in the middle. No other choice. 超音速队(SuperSonics)。只要一个单词,中间的S要大写。没有别的选择了。 Mason: The Seattle SuperSonics! And The Presidents of the United States of America should play at halftime of the first game. 西雅图超音速队!而且美利坚合众国的总统应当在第一场比赛中场休息时上场打球。 Young: Though I think "SuperKings" sounds amazing and would immediately be the best nickname in sports, the name has to be SuperSonics. It just makes far too much sense and still is one of the coolest nicknames in all of sports. 尽管我认为“超级国王”队(SuperKings)听起来好极了而且马上会成为体育界里最好的 名字,球队的名字必须得是超音速队。这名字太合理了,而且仍然是体育界里最酷的 名字之一。 3. 如果国王队搬走了,国王队和超音速队的队史怎麽办? If the Kings move, what happens to the Kings' and Sonics' histories? Chau: Seattle should opt to take control of the Sonics' identity. If it's a dual ownership with Oklahoma City, so be it. Sacramento should be able to suspend the Kings' history and keep it in hopes of a future team adopting the legacy. The Kings have been in Sacramento since 1985. Their fans deserve the rights to the history, at least. 西雅图应该选择接受超音速队的身份。如果与奥克拉荷马雷霆算是共有的话,那就这样 吧。Sacramento应当暂停国王队的队史,保存着它,希望将来会有球队接收这支球队的 遗产。国王自1985年起就在Sacramento了。至少他们的球迷理应拥有这段历史。 Ham: The Kings' history should stay in Sacramento and the Sonics' history should return to Seattle. A team's history is for the fans who cheered and the players who played there. I can't imagine a Chris Webber or a Vlade Divac jersey hanging from the rafters in another city. 国王队队史应当留在Sacramento,而超音速的队史应当回归西雅图。球队的队史是为了 给球队加过油的球迷和在球队打过球的球员而存在的。我不能想像Chris Webber或是 Vlade Divac的球衣悬挂在别的城市的球馆里。 Haubner: It seems uncontroversial that the Sonics' history should be returned to Seattle. I can't imagine Thunder fans' desire to have Gary Payton holding their franchise records any more than Sonics fans do. The Kings' history should be placed in the custody of Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson until he can bring a team back to the city. 超音速队的队史重回西雅图看起来没什麽争议。我不能想像雷霆球迷会比超音速球迷 更希望Gary Payton保持着球队的记录。国王队的队史应该被Sacramento市长Kevin Johnson封存起来,直到他能将另一支球队带回这座城市为止。 Mason: I'm sure Oklahoma City fans would gladly get rid of the Sonics' history so they can be free of the ugliness associated with their team's relocation. What to do with the Kings' history is a trickier question -- could that iconic history just float in limbo until it finds a home, or maybe (gulp) have a museum in Sacramento? 我确定奥克拉荷马城的球迷会很高兴甩掉超音速队队史的,这样他们就可以摆脱掉球队 迁移带来的不好的影响了。拿国王队队史怎麽办是个更加棘手的问题—可以让这段标志 性的历史在找到新家之前一直扔在无人顾及的角落里吗,或者也许(咽口水)在Sacramento 建一座博物馆? Young: I suspect the Thunder will move to sort of distance themselves even further from their shared history with the Sonics, opening the door for Seattle to rightfully claim all of it and ignore Sacramento's history. But what do you do with the Kings' history and record books? That's an excellent question. Return it all to Rochester, I guess? I really don't know. 我怀疑雷霆会让自己更加远离他们与超音速队共有的队史记录的,这给西雅图名正言顺 地重夺队史并忽略掉Sacramento的队史打开了大门。但是你会拿国王队的队史和记录 怎麽办呢?这是个好问题。我猜应该把它还回罗切斯特(Rochester,译注:国王队前身 是罗切斯特皇家队)?我真的不知道。 4. 如果他们拥有了另外一个城市的球队,西雅图的球迷应当怎麽想呢? How should Seattle fans feel if they get another city's team? Chau: A conflicted joy. It's OK to be excited. Seattle basketball is a big deal, and after the Sonics' unceremonious departure, Seattle should be elated. But a period of reflection, of empathy, for a city that is going through a familiar heartbreak is absolutely something worth taking time for. A pitiless, eye-for-an-eye mentality has never done the world much good. 充满矛盾的喜悦。为此感到兴奋没有什麽问题。西雅图很重视篮球,在超音速队的不辞 而别之後,西雅图应该感到高兴。但是对於一个即将经历相似的心碎的城市,花些时间 去反思和同情也是应该的。冷酷无情、以眼还眼的想法从未给这世界带来什麽好处。 Ham: Seattle fans have been through this pain, and it is something they shouldn't wish upon another NBA city. If they wait another season or two, they will have a new building and most likely a brand-new expansion team with zero guilt. If it happens this way, they will always be the city that lost Kevin Durant and stole the Sacramento Kings. 西雅图球迷感受过这样的痛楚,他们不应该希望这事发生在别的NBA城市身上。如果他们 再等上一两个赛季,他们会有新的球馆而且很可能有一支新加入联盟的球队,而且不用 感到愧疚。如果事情以现在这种方式发生了,他们会成为那个失去了Kevin Durant还偷 走了Sacramento国王队的城市。 Haubner: Thrilled that their beloved Sonics would be returning, sympathetic to Sacramento fans who would be losing their beloved Kings in all-too-familiar fashion, frustrated that they were put in the position of having their team stolen and then having to steal another team. And still avoiding Starbucks a little bit longer because of what Howard Schultz did. 为深爱的超音速队能够回归而感到激动,为Sacramento城的球迷会以一种过於相似的 方式失去他们深爱的国王队而感到同情,为他们处於一个自己的球队被偷走、不得 不偷来别的球队这样的位置感到沮丧。而且因为Howard Schultz的所作所为,再多 抵制星巴克一会儿。 (译注:Schultz是星巴克的董事长和CEO以及前西雅图超音速队老板,在06年把球队卖给 了奥克拉荷马城的Clayton Bennett。) Mason: The short answer is happy, so long as the stadium deal isn't exploitative of taxpayers. There will be plenty of hand-wringing and emotional confusion -- no one knows better what Sacramento fans are going through. But ultimately the city should and will respond with enthusiasm and joy for their own good fortune. 简短的答案是高兴,只要关於球馆的交易不涉及到剥削纳税人就行。这其中会有很多 让人绞手叹息的、情绪上的困惑—没有人比他们更清楚萨城的球迷会经历什麽样的 痛苦了。但是最终这座城市应该并且也会以热情和欢乐迎接他们自己的好运气。 Young: Conflicted, but ecstatic. There's really no need to apologize for a team moving into your city. It's just part of the professional sports world. But there's an obvious hypocrite factor with all the venom that was spewed by Seattle at OKC for what it perceived as "stealing" its team. And now Sacramento is going through the same heartache, so maybe keep the gloating at a minimum. 很矛盾但是会感到狂喜。真的没有必要为了一支球队搬入了你所在的城市而道歉。这 只是职业体育世界的一部分罢了。但是想到西雅图在奥城“偷走”自己的球队之後吐出 的恶言恶语,这显然有点伪善了。现在萨城正在经历着同样一种心痛,所以也许还是 尽量不要高兴得太厉害吧。 5. 如果国王队搬走了,这会是NBA美好的一天吗? If the Kings move, will it be a good day for the NBA? Chau: Probably not until opening night in Seattle, when the fan response in the city becomes something palpable. But if the deal goes through, those months prior to the season opener will be clogged with negative reports and a general outrage from one of the NBA's most dedicated fan bases in Sacramento. It'll be ugly, just as it was in 2008. 很可能在西雅图的开幕夜之前,在城市里的球迷响应变得更加明显之前都不是。但是 如果这笔交易完成了,在赛季揭幕战开始之前的几个月都会充斥着负面新闻以及来自 NBA最忠诚的球迷群体的愤怒。这会很丑陋的,就像2008年一样。 Ham: No way. You don't right a wrong by creating another wrong. Seattle lost its team because the city's elected officials gave up. If Sacramento loses its team, it is because David Stern and his Board of Governors failed to protect some of the best fans the NBA has ever known from unscrupulous owners. It's a sad day for the NBA if a city does everything right and still loses. 门都没有。你不能用一个新的错误来弥补旧的错误。西雅图失去了自己的球队因为城市 选举出来的官员都放弃了。如果萨城失去了自己的球队,这是因为David Stern和他的 管理层未能保护好全联盟最好的球迷群体之一不受无良老板的伤害。如果一个城市什麽 都没有做错却丢掉了自己的球队,这会是NBA悲伤的一天。 Haubner: Net negative. One great fan base returns, while another great fan base is lost, with the cost of a second ugly story of franchise relocation in five years. Positive trends would be that Seattle taxpayers fended off being held hostage to end up with an arena financed with essentially no currently existing public money, and that the Maloofs would hopefully be gone forever. 净影响是负面的。一个伟大的球迷群体回归了,同时丢掉了另一个伟大的球迷群体, 代价是5年里第二则球队搬家的丑陋故事。积极的趋势是西雅图的纳税人不用继续作为 一座基本没有真正存在的公款经费的球馆的人质了,还有Maloof兄弟很有希望永远不 再出现了。 Mason: Yes, Seattle is a bigger TV market in a more prosperous city. That said, the way the Maloofs would be backing out on a city and fan base that worked so diligently to keep the team is deplorable. Though we should be wise to the game at this point, their actions (but not the $500 million sale price -- yowza!) reflect poorly not just on the NBA but professional sports generally. 是的,西雅图是一座更繁华的城市,有着更大的电视市场。即便如此,Maloof兄弟以 这种方式离开如此奋力地想要留下自己的球队的城市和球迷群体实在是让人叹息。 尽管现在我们应该懂得游戏规则了,他们的行为(而不是五亿美金的售价—天啊!) 反应出的不只是NBA还有基本上整个职业体育。 Young: Yes. But also no. I don't really see a right answer here. Yes in the sense that the NBA returns to a city that very much deserves a franchise, but no because the NBA leaves a city that very much deserves a franchise. It's such an impossible situation and one that's both devastating and wonderful at the same time. 是的。但是也不是。我在这里没有看到正确答案。“是”是因为NBA重新回到了一座 理应拥有一支球队的城市,而“不是”是因为NBA离开了一座理应拥有一支球队的城市 。这几乎是一种不可能实现的情形,这种情形既具有毁灭性同时又美妙极了。 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 心得:看来国王派的球迷与球评还是无法接受这样的结果,即使它们也心里有数迟早 会发生 --



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1F:推 tsukirit :只看到一条白色的光,我是国王队的新希望 01/13 18:38
2F:推 afdm1234 :TE掰 01/13 18:40
3F:推 Redchain :就很不方便而已 01/13 18:45
4F:推 nwojessy :一楼在说J.Will吗 01/13 18:48
5F:推 CharleneTsai:西雅图 PowerRangers队 01/13 18:49
6F:推 ckshchen :幸福了 然後呢 01/13 18:49
7F:推 Faith1128 :感觉这个转手对国王跟圆超音速迷都是个伤害... 01/13 18:50
8F:→ Faith1128 :*原 双输的交易... 01/13 18:51
9F:推 dakkk :加州这麽多队 少一队不会怎样 01/13 18:55
10F:推 tsukirit :沙加缅度其实是个非常不热闹的地方 01/13 19:00
11F:→ qtgeorge :用OKC当初带走球队的手法来取回一只球队, 01/13 19:04
12F:→ qtgeorge :超音速迷情何以堪 01/13 19:04
13F:推 Altair :对第二题的回答 XDDD 感觉这几个都不爽+kuso 01/13 19:17
14F:→ Altair :伪君子队那边有错字 是"国王队的球「迷」" 01/13 19:18
15F:→ rammstein :看到一楼就想到2006的J-WILL跟2011的BB... 01/13 19:34
16F:推 SSS120329 :伪君子队... 要找雷枪强势回归吗 01/13 21:03
17F:推 fablife :小城市球队赶快换到大城以免以後有实力打到西区冠军 01/13 23:23
18F:→ fablife :然後被裁判做掉! 01/13 23:24
19F:推 sk050607 :借转国王 01/13 23:32



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20F:→ sk050607:拆散阵容 所以是像以前山猫队那种组队方法? 01/13 23:34
21F:→ sk050607:看来应该不是 搞错意思了= = 01/13 23:54
22F:推 yhes916103:在沙加缅度盖新球场之前应该不会有球队会想来 01/14 13:43
23F:→ yhes916103:下一支国王队不知道什麽时候会再出现了 01/14 13:44
24F:推 a00779928:来期待10年後 LBJ退休买下国王队 让国王队复活 01/14 17:59







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