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The Case for Tyrus Thomas as a King 从国王角度看Tyrus Thomas http://0rz.tw/OCeRJ 请先看这段影片 http://0rz.tw/yFdK6 Let me start by telling you my conclusion. My conclusion is that it is worth giving up our 2011 (NOT 2010) first rounder, lottery or not, for Tyrus Thomas. How did I arrive at this conclusion? Well that is what we're going to explore today. Tyrus Thomas, selected 4th in the 2006 NBA Draft by the Portland Trail Blazers, and then traded to the Chicago Bulls for LaMarcus Aldridge, was expected to be a building block for the Bulls future. 4 years and 3 coaches later (that sounds familiar), it was not meant to be. At least not for the Bulls. As stated earlier, the Bulls are looking to trade Tyrus Thomas for a first round pick. The Kings are among teams interested, and unlike the other teams listed, can offer a better pick than any of them. The 2011 first round pick. Unprotected. I doubt anyone who has perused this site or followed the Kings for more than a day would question that the Kings biggest need is a big man, one who can guard the paint, rebound, and score a bit. Tyrus Thomas does all those things, a few of them better than any of the current Kings big men. 我认为可以用2011年首轮﹝非2010,不一定是乐透签﹞交易Tyrus Thomas。 为何我会做出这种判断,以下是我的说明。 Tyrus Thomas在2006年第4顺位被波特兰拓荒者选中,随後被交易至芝加哥公牛队换取 LaMarcus Aldridge,公牛将他视为球队的未来培养,四年过去,经历过三位教头的带 领,如今他已经被排除在公牛的未来之外。 本季公牛已经将他摆上交易名单希望能换取第一轮选秀权,国王是感兴趣的队伍之一, 国王比其他队伍占优势之处在於可以提供较高顺位的选秀权,2011年不受保护的首轮签。 我知道很多人会质疑国王现在需要的是一个能守护禁区,保护篮板并适时得分的大个子, Tyrus Thomas符合上述条件,而且比国王现在所有的长人都做的要好。 Why is Thomas so maligned in Chicago if he's such a good player then Aykis? Why aren't they trying to keep him? Well Thomas hasn't been a model citizen in Chicago, and to be fair, he has had 3 coaches in his short career and none of them offered him consistency as has been well documented. Here's a good quote from Kelly Dwyer, a lifelong Bulls fan, from his article on Thomas yesterday: I can't think of a single player, with the possible exception of New York's David Lee, that has been jerked around more than Thomas. And I can't think of a single player, with no exception, that has acted like more of a prat than Tyrus. A nasty combination. One doesn't lead to the other, but it doesn't help. Thomas was drafted as a project by the Bulls in 2006, but he was never treated like a project. Instead, he was treated like some four-year college starter that had been on CBS too many times to mention, and someone who was used to the grind. Thomas wasn't used to the grind. He was a basketball scrub until his late teens. He only had one year of slapping the backboards at LSU. He was ready, but he wasn't ready. It's a messy situation in Chicago to say the least 如果TT是比阿基基好的球员,为何他现在却变成公牛的毒瘤?为何公牛不留下他? 因为TT在芝加哥的私生活表现并不好,另外公正的评论TT场上的表现,带过TT的三位教头 从未提供TT稳定的上场时间来证明自己的身价。公牛的死忠球迷Kelly Dwyer有一篇关於 TT的中肯评论: 最适合和TT比较的人是大卫猫,但我想不到任何一个人和TT有一样多的问题。 他和大卫猫之间并没有孰优孰劣的问题,所以和大卫猫比较并没有帮助。 TT在2006年被视为公牛未来的蓝图而选入队中,然而他从未被视为球队的未来来培养, 球队使用他的方式,让他看起来像是一个没有潜力大四生,只适合作苦工用。而TT不该只 是被当苦工用,他一直到高中才专注於篮球,而且只受了LSU一年的篮球训练。他具备进入 NBA的条件,但他的技巧还不够成熟。 保守的说,这是个复杂的局面。 make a point, here's what Thomas's Minutes per game looks like for this year for the 27 games he's played (he missed a big chunk because of a broken arm): Notice the dip in minutes to start the season. That's where he gets injured. He got MORE minutes in his first game back from injury than he did before he was injured (He scored 21, had 9 boards, and 2 blocks in that game btw). Not much consistency on that chart. In one of those games, a 3 point loss to Philadelphia, he went 6-8 from the field and grabbed 6 boards, and he only got 15 minutes of game time. The Kings also have a history of dealing with malcontents and have been known as a place where players have been able to thrive after leaving bad situations (Webber, Bonzi, and Artest come to mind). 下图是TT今年27场比赛的上场时间﹝他因为手伤缺席大部分比赛﹞ http://0rz.tw/rIurl 请注意第一个最低点,TT在那场比赛受伤,伤癒归队的第一场比赛,TT获得了比之前还多 的上场时间﹝那场比赛他的成绩为21分9篮板2火锅﹞,但之後仍没获得稳定的上场时间, 其中一场三分输给七六人的比赛,他8投6中,抓了6颗篮板,而且只上场15分钟。 国王带这些「惨绿少年」非常的有经验,球员们在脱离原本不好的处境後总能在这里成长 茁壮﹝大家都还记得Webber,Bonzi和阿泰吧﹞ Let's take a look at the stats now. Tyrus Thomas is 1 month younger than the Kings very own Jason Thompson, despite being in his 4th year in the league. He would be a better defensive rebounder than any of the Kings bigs that play meaningful minutes (Sean May is the Kings leading defensive rebounder). He would be by far the best interior defender and shot blocker the Kings have had since Keon Clark. He's almost as good a shot blocker as another guy the Kings have reportedly had interest in, Samuel Dalembert, and his block rate would be good for 8th in the league. On offense, Thomas is knocked for his much maligned jump shot, but it is improving, and besides, he attempts most of his shots up close, and he makes a very high percentage of them. 来看看一些数字,尽管TT已经在联盟待四年了,他还是比小汤小一个月,他的防守篮板优 於国王所有获得充分上场时间的长人﹝May的防守篮板是全队最佳﹞,他会是国王自Keon Clark後最好的禁区防守者和封盖者,他的封阻能力跟其他国王有兴趣的球员﹝大揽伯﹞一 样好,他的封阻率在联盟中排第八名。 进攻上,他最为人垢病的是他的跳投,但情况已有改善,此外他的攻击偏重於禁区附近, 而且命中率很高。 The Kings weren't going to be players in the 2010 offseason anyway, so acquiring Thomas would be a solid move for our future in my opinion. Players like Kirilenko, Dalembert, Murphy, who might be able to help a little bit now (and are worth a lot of money I might add), might be able to add a few wins for a year or so, but what's that do other than hurt our lottery position now? It's not like we're planning on keeping those guys for the future are we? Thomas is a guy we can acquire with our eyes set on the future. At some point, acquiring/developing lottery picks will not help the team as much as it is now. This year the Kings will have another high-mid lottery pick, making it our 4th straight year in the lottery. Hopefully, we're going to keep on improving, and while we probably won't make the playoffs next year knowing how hard it is in the West, we shouldn't be too far behind, especially if you factor in the improved interior defense a guy like Thomas can bring, improvement in Tyreke and Kevin working together, improvement in our other young guys, not to mention our lottery pick. So in 2011, when we're gearing up for a possible playoff run, does another lottery pick help this team as much as a Tyrus Thomas not yet in his prime? A pick who for all we know could take 3-4 years to develop? Acquiring Thomas is help for the now, and help for the future in my opinion. We don't necessarily have to trade for him, and we don't necessarily have to give up that 2011 first rounder (as Ziller explains over at FanHouse, the Bulls are trying to get out Thomas's potential cap hold, so getting anything for him would be a gain) and we could wait until the offseason and see if we can pick him up as an FA, but if the Bulls trade him, the team that gets him likely wants to keep him, and they have him under Restricted status. I think giving up that 2011 pick to secure Thomas is a risk I'd be willing to take. 国王不会是今年暑假的买家,所以在我的眼中TT对於我们的未来是不错的选择。 Kirilenko、Dalembert和Murphy之类的球员或许可以让我们的成绩有小幅的进步﹝但也很 贵﹞,可以帮我们在这几年内多赢几胜,但反面来说,这也不正是对我们目前选秀的顺位 造成伤害吗?而我们有把这些球员放在未来的蓝图中吗?TT是可以放在我们未来计画中的 球员,有时後选秀权并不能给予球队立即的帮助,今年我们将拥有高顺位的乐透签,这是 我们连续第四年抽乐透。希望明年我们就算进不了季後赛,至少也能逼近季後赛的门槛, 特别是当你禁区防守透过TT来补强,保有reke和马丁让他们一起进步,其他球员也随着一 起进步,这时候就不需要在乎乐透了。因此在2011年时,当我们有足够的实力挑战季後赛 时,一支乐透签对我们的帮助会比TT大吗?我们都知道一名新秀至少要三到四年才会成熟 。 TT对我们有立即的帮助,也能够成为我们未来的战力。我们不一定要交易他,也不一定要 放弃2011年的乐透签﹝根据Ziller的说法,公牛肯定不会续约TT,所以现在TT换到甚麽对 他们都有赚无赔﹞,我们也可以等到季末看可不可以从FA签到他,但一旦公牛把他交易出 去,表示获得他的队伍会把他留住,而且他们有优先签约权。用2011年的乐透签换TT是个 赌注,我觉得值得一试。 -- 我觉得2011年的签是个很好的筹码, 但要有前三顺位保护, 因为2011年有大物中锋参选。 --



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1F:推 jokajoka:跳跳人YA 02/13 01:21
2F:推 pennykidd:他的身高最多报到(裸足6-7.25)6-9但翼展有7-3手是很长 02/13 01:39
3F:推 hihi29:除了Undersize这点之外 他蛮适合国王的 02/13 01:40
4F:→ pennykidd:这样一个八爪跳跳PF养起来也是功能性球员像小绿(射、锁) 02/13 01:41
5F:推 GodEyes:但Webber他们是来之前就身手已算成熟,来国王算体系让他们 02/13 02:27
6F:推 sk050607:不知道他还能不能在进化 02/13 02:27
7F:→ GodEyes:升级,像这种半成品球员打四年算已经有点定型了,在想改变 02/13 02:28
8F:→ GodEyes:我是抱持怀疑,就像米粒一样。 02/13 02:29
9F:→ GodEyes:国王养二三号是真的很有一套,可是四五号还是没有一个实绩 02/13 02:31
10F:→ GodEyes:真正重点培养Hawes、JT应该算自己培养的第一代长人,可是 02/13 02:32
11F:→ GodEyes:Hawes并不如预期,JT 还好,但他是大四球员,本来对比赛就 02/13 02:34
12F:→ GodEyes:会更有办法进入状况一点,所以还是不能证明国王会养长人, 02/13 02:34
13F:→ GodEyes:若真的要换,我还是希望换已接近开发成的球员,比较好掌握 02/13 02:36
14F:→ GodEyes:所以TT的话,我宁愿选 Murphy 。 02/13 02:37
15F:→ Yocoldagain:TT除了态度之外 连身高都莫名其妙 ... 02/13 02:52
16F:推 kuchibu:他很多莫名其妙的进攻... 但一直很有活力 其实还不错 02/13 07:05
17F:推 michaelch:TT感觉很像JT,充满活力但进攻选择很无厘头 02/13 12:34







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