作者oldtrafford (oldtrafford)
看板KingofPop
标题Re: [情报] Jermaine出书访问谈到MJ
时间Thu Sep 15 00:55:25 2011
这个讲到Word to Badd 简介的人说 因为大家狂问 所以他很多照原文贴
Chapter 15 - Once Said.
"BETWEEN OUR LAST TOUR ENDING IN December 1984 and 1992, the family saw
Michael sporadically, say three or four times a year in those eight years."
说在84年巡演结束後到92年 J家人八年间只见过MJ三四次
"Michael didn’t carry a cell phone so it wasn’t as if we could call him.
Communications technology was never his forte and the system dictated now
that we call his offices at Neverland or in L.A. and leave a message. And
another. And then another. They all went unreturned and I didn’t know what
to think."
说MJ没有手机 所以他们无法打给他 说通讯科技一直不是MJ的强项 所以他们只能打到
他的办公室或梦幻庄园留讯息 留了一个又一个 但从没有回音 他不知到怎麽想
1988 Jermaine comes up with the idea of Family Day. Michael sometimes made
them sometimes didn't. 1989 2300 Jackson street song. Jermaine's marriage to
Hazel ends in 1987 because he can't resist temptation when he mets Margaret.
Jermaine moves back to Hayvenhurst. 1989 Jermaine visits Middle East.
Converts to Islam. Returns to California. Moves to a duplex with Margaret and
their 2 sons.
88年JJ想到家庭聚会日这个点子 MJ有时会出现 89年2300 Jackson Street那首歌
JJ离婚 因为他爱上Margret 搬回J家老家 去了中东 变成回教徒 跟Margaret和两个儿子
搬出去住
1990 news stories that Michael was taken to hospital with chest pains.
Jermaine visits him. Michael says he didn't have chest pains but having
throbbing pain , headaches. He was getting Demerol via IV. Reading about
marriage and divorce. Jermaine mentions Islam to Michael.
Jermaine tells Michael he's moving to Atlanta to work on his next album with
LA Reid and Baby Face. Stays with Michael that night at hospital.
90年说MJ胸痛被送医 JJ去看他 MJ说他不是胸痛而是心绞痛 头痛 医生用静脉注射Demerol
给MJ 说MJ有读到JJ结婚离婚 JJ跟MJ提到回教 跟MJ说要搬去亚特兰大做新专辑 要跟
LA Reid和Baby Face合作 那天晚上在医院陪MJ过夜
Jermaine moves to Atlanta with Margaret and his 2 sons. Calls LA Reid and
Baby Face about the album, hears that there's a delay. While waiting Jermaine
starts talking with Stan Margulies (who would later produce Jacksons:
American dream). He had a movie idea Tutankhamun and wanted Michael to play
the pharaoh . Jermaine leaves a message to Michael about it and waits him to
call back. Does this (call leave a message and wait) for several days.
Michael never calls. 3 months pass in Atlanta. Jermaine hears LA Reid and
Baby Face are in CA working with another artist - Michael.
JJ跟Margret和两个儿子搬去亚特兰大 打给要合作的人 却发现被延迟 当在等的时候
跟Stan Margulies 谈话 也就是後来制作J家电视距的人 那个人说想拍电影找MJ主演
JJ留言给MJ跟他说这件事情 要他回电 留了好多次给MJ 但MJ从没打回来 三个月过去了
他听说baby face他们在加州那里帮MJ工作
As Jermaine was contracted to LAFace records an needed to deliver one more
album to Arista he waited. LA Reid and Baby Face finally came back and they
were upset with Michael as well. They didn't like Michael's insistence about
Bruce Swedien and that Michael wasnn't going to continue with any of their
songs. They had written "Word to the Badd".
唱片公司要他赶快交出专辑 LA Reid和Baby Face总算回来了 而且也非常不爽MJ 因为
他们不爽MJ为啥坚持非用Bruce Swedien不可 而且MJ不想再用他们的歌 (他们是那个
#1Atckgh2 文章里被火掉的第三个团队?) 所以他们写了Word to Badd
(Note: I'll do direct quotes as most of you are curious about this)
以下是书中原文 翻的不怎麽样 请看原文
"The hook that resonated—because of its implied selfishness"
"The lyrics they had written in anger met with my still-brewing anger toward
Michael. Not only that: all my pent-up energy to get into the studio combined
internally with a deepening sense of injustice. It was a perfect emotional
storm in which no one was thinking, just letting fly. If a studio session is
an outlet for anything, it is for releasing unexpressed emotion. Music can be
cathartic that way and I won’t have been the first artist to arrive at the
mic with an intention to get it all out. In fact, it was typical of me to
vent on my own instead of saying anything direct to Michael."
说娃娃脸他们盛怒下写的歌 跟JJ当下对MJ的忿怒很合 而他进录音室时 他总在录音时
释放他的不爽 说录音室是他的出口 释放他的情绪 说他不是第一个歌手这样利用音乐
释放他的情绪 说典型的他会选择这样做 而不是直接去骂MJ
"When I arrived at the studio to start work, I was presented with the
finished song, and L.A. Reid and Babyface had come up with one particular
verse that went like this: Reconstructed Been abducted Don’t know who you
are Once you were made You changed your shade Was your color wrong? It was a
clear dig at Michael, and I knew it. Those lyrics were consistent with a
mistaken perception about him and I didn’t agree with them—but I did agree
with the angry tone. I was mad. I embraced this secret retaliation. The
moment that song sheet was in my hand, I was singing with an anger that
therapists would have applauded, even if Michael’s fans would not. In my naï
vety, I didn’t expect for a single second that those words would be heard
outside the audience of two producers and one engineer because, in my mind,
they were lyrics never intended for release. After I’d laid down my angry
vocals—and felt much, much better for getting it off my chest—we recorded
another version: the intended version of “Word to the Badd,” featuring
T-Boz from TLC. It kept the same hook but ditched all of the innuendo toward
Michael."
当我到录音室时 他们已经完成整首歌了 里面写到了 说MJ改变了自己 是不是搞错了自己
的颜色 非常的针对MJ 我很清楚 那些歌词有很多对MJ的错误观念 而我不同意他们
但我同意歌里所表现出的愤怒 我也很火大 我参与了这个秘密报复行动 当我记得歌词
我是以愤怒在唱这首歌 但我从没有想过这首歌会被两个制作人和一个录音工程师外的人听
见 因为我心理从没有打算放出这首歌 当我唱完这些愤怒歌词时 我觉得好多了解放了
我们录了另一个版本是要放出的 和T=Boz合作的版本 仍保有同样的愤怒 但没有直接针对
MJ
Bootleg version of Word to the Badd leaked. Jermaine calls Gordy. Gordy tells
him to take responsibility. Jermaine wants to call Michael but sees no point
as Michael doesn't return calls. Jermaine goes on Larry King / CNN says he
should never have sang or recorded it. Michael calls Katherine to ask if it's
really Jermaine singing the song. Katherine calls a meeting at Hayvenhust
between the two.
糟糕版本被泄漏 JJ打电话给Barry Gordy 前岳父跟他说要出来承担责任 他想打给MJ 但
MJ一直都不回电 他上了赖丽金说他从不该唱这首歌或录下他 MJ打给了妈妈 问说JJ是不是
真的唱了这首歌 KJ要他们来老家相见
"I went first. Not with an apology, but with the undercurrents. It is a
conversation that remains vivid. “We used to be close,” I said, “but it’s
been eight years . . . eight years, Michael. Eight years that we haven’t
spent proper time together. I’m speaking for all of us, not just me.” He
looked at me. Now we had eye-contact. I continued: “In those eight years,
everyone has said everything they can about this family as if they know us
and know you, and we should have stuck together but you went off and—”“And
for those eight years you thought I deserved that song?” he interrupted. “
That is hurtful, and I didn’t expect that . . . not from you, Jermaine.” “
我先到了 但不是带着歉意 当天的情景还历历在目 我说 我们曾经这麽亲密 但是八年了
八年来我们都没有什麽时间相处 我是替所有人说 不只是我 他看了我 我继续说 八年了
大家说了各种关於这个家的事情 好像他们认识我们 认识你一样 我们应该要在一起
但是你跑走了 MJ打断他说所以这八年来 你认为我活该得到这首歌? 这首歌太伤人了
我从没想到会听到他 特别是从你这听到
I didn’t write it.” “You sang it.” “I sang it when I was upset, but
those lyrics don’t reflect how I feel about you and you know it,” I said. “
You put your voice to those lyrics,” he said, forcing his point home. I
could see in his eyes how hurt he was, and it killed me, knowing that I was
responsible. “I’m sorry I hurt you,” I said. My betrayal acknowledged I
tried to explain how I had reached out to him numerous times, leaving
messages, and how frustrating that felt. “Like the King Tut movie idea you
ignored . . .” “I don’t know anything about a King Tut movie,” he said,
looking genuinely surprised. “I didn’t get any of those messages.” “Doesn
’t that tell you something? That the people around you are not passing on
messages from us!” I said, feeling agitated all over again, renewing my
suspicion that our messages were being filtered by his gatekeepers.
我没写这首歌 MJ:但你唱了 我唱了是因为我很生气 歌词不代表我对你的看法 你应该知道
MJ:但你唱了那些歌词 我可以从他眼里看到他有多受伤 这让我很难过 我知道我该负责
我说我很抱歉伤了你 我承认我背叛了他 我跟他解释我试着找了他好多次 留了很多言
非常沮丧找不到人 像是那个电影的事情 都不回应 MJ:我不知道有什麽电影 而且看起来
真的很惊讶 我没有收到任何留言 我说这没告诉你什麽事吗 你身边的人没有传达我们的
讯息 我猜测有人过滤掉我们的讯息
Michael
promised to look into it. “But that still doesn’t excuse how much time you
let pass during those eight years,” I reminded him. If we’re going to do
this, let’s bring it all out, I thought. Michael went into a long-winded
justification, saying it wasn’t deliberate, he was just busy. There had been
a lot of traveling and touringand recording and shooting videos. He went on
and on with what I considered to be rationalising. Eventually I had heard
enough. “BUT, MICHAEL, WE’RE YOUR FAMILY! You’ve GOT to make time for
family!” I yelled, and, in a fit of frustration, I slammed my fist on the
coffee-table. The cups and saucers jumped on the silver tray and Michael
almost leapt out of his skin. There was something so timid and fragile about
him, so easily startled, that I felt bad for raising my voice. “I’m sorry,”
I said. “I didn’t mean to make you jump . . .” Then he smiled. “Look at
your face,” he said, and then he started to laugh. “You’re so uptight!”
As kids, we’d laughed nervously in the most serious of situations and
Michael’s chuckling, made me laugh now. With that, everyone relaxed."
MJ答应回去查这件事 我说但这仍然不能解释位什麽你八年来都失踪了 如果我们要谈
我们就都谈开 MJ说这一切都夸大 他很忙要到处旅行 巡回 录音 拍MV 他一直讲不停
我觉得他只是找藉口 我听够了 我说但是麦可 我们是你的家人 你要留时间给家人
我对他沮丧的大吼和槌了咖啡桌 杯子都跳了起来 MJ也被吓的跳起来 他总是很容易被吓到
所以我对我这样吼他很抱歉 我说 我很抱歉 我不是故意让你吓的跳起来 他笑了 说看看
你的表情 你好紧张 从我们还是小孩时 我们在很严肃的场合都会紧张的效 而MJ的笑
让我也笑了 大家都放松了
Michael starts turning up to more Family Days but yet still not regularly
available to them. Jermaine says that fans held "Word to the Badd" against
him and acted like families do not fight. Michael didn't and they made up.
MJ後来更多出现在家庭聚会 但还是常常不见人影 JJ说歌迷老是用这首歌抵制他 好像
其他家庭都不会吵架似的
不知Baby Face看到这样的内容 可有话说 他之後不是还和MJ合作
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在一个充满仇恨的世界 我们仍须勇於希望 在一个充满愤怒的世界 我们仍须勇於安慰
在一个充满绝望的世界 我们仍须勇於梦想 在一个充满猜忌的世界 我们仍须勇於相信
---------------by 麦克杰克森
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※ 编辑: oldtrafford 来自: 130.85.56.85 (09/15 01:55)
1F:推 ChesterB:千错万错都不是自己的错 都是别的的错就对了 09/15 11:03
2F:→ ChesterB:一切都怪MJ不回电话 Baby Face等制作人乱写歌.... 09/15 11:04
3F:→ ChesterB:倒是Jermaine前妻的书对同一事件有不同的叙述 颗颗颗 09/15 11:05
4F:推 Foucault:真的很鬼扯。谁发泄情绪还特地到录音室录音?在家边洗澡 09/18 11:41
5F:→ Foucault:边唱不行吗?录音室要钱、团队要钱,谁会特地为了不想录 09/18 11:42
6F:→ Foucault:的东西搞这麽大阵仗?躲利益薰心的家人也只是刚好而已。 09/18 11:43