我看了MJFC讨论串有一篇也很有意思 是在讨论串第三页 讲到J5进入Motown前的表演 还有Motown对他们的改变 Here is the YouTube clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxgiKYzD7mQ It's very old tape, so it is best if you download it in the highest quality and watch it from your hard drive. 这里是youtube的影片 虽然画质颇遭 但很有意思 而且应该是MJ现存公开表演最早的影片 It was explained and emphasized quite strongly that the J5 did not perform for teeny-boppers. Their act, which was extremely honed and professional, was for ADULT audiences of educated concert-goers (not just strip-club alcoholics). You can see the audience in this clip. 研讨会中以这个影片举例 J5一开始的表演模式并不是青少年泡泡糖的歌曲 他们的表演 事实上非常的职业和老练 而且针对的观众是成人的演唱会群众 不只局限於脱衣舞吧 影片中也有看到当时的观众 It was also explained how much J5 worked during the years before Motown, which was when MJ was between 7-11 years old. They did whole weeks of three to four performances a night (the last of which would be around 4 am) with all the greatest black groups at the time. We got to see some of the original posters advertising the shows. The J5 had a regular club circuit and were well-known in Chicago. 这影片也显示了他们在Motown前是怎麽表演的 当时MJ是7-11岁左右 他们一个晚上会表演 3-4次 最晚的表演完了会是凌晨四点 而且和他们表演的都是当时最好的黑人艺人 研讨会 也放出了当时的宣传海报 J5当时有固定的酒吧演出行程 而且在芝加哥已经很出名 Jake Austen, who lead the panel, is researching and writing a book on the history of soul music in Chicago (one of the most important cities for the development of black music in the US), which of course, includes the beginning of the J5 prior to Motown. 研讨会这个主题的引领者Jake Austen 做了很多研究和写了一本关於芝加哥灵魂音乐的 历史 就有描写到J5在进入Motown前的起源 So, we were treated to some of that history and the panel consisted of people who were there and helped to shape that history. So, Jake made it his business to make sure that we understood the J5 was fully developed as a performing group prior to Motown. And they were a SOUL group, which you will see in this video. He said they were great - Michael was electrifying on stage, and the band was tight (in other words, Jermaine and Tito really were playing and were darn good). (Just as one example of the type of music and style they were doing, he cited the moment MJ asks the audience to "soul clap" with them. Austen said Motown audiences wouldn't have even known what that meant, much less how to do it.) 研讨会中展示了很多资料来重建当时的历史 Jake表示大家必须了解在J5进入Motown之前 事实上就已经是一个很成熟的表演团体 而当时他们是灵魂乐的团体 当时他们就已经很 出色了 麦可在台上就已经充满电力 而整个乐团也相当紮实 Jermaine和Tito等人是确实 现场演出乐器 此外他也表示影片中MJ要求观众跟着他拍手的表演方式也是一种典型灵魂乐 团体演出的特色 他说Motown的听众会完全不了解MJ的要求是什麽 也会不知道要怎麽做 And because they were playing for adults, he said their professionalism was such that these kids had to come on stage and know how to work an audience and cater it to adult sensibilities. So, he showed this video to show a young MJ (ten years old? maybe just turned 11? I have to look that up) dancing, using his voice, and catering his whole performance in general to an adult audience. It made me realize how much Motown changed them as a group. 而且因为他们是在未成人表演 他们的演出也必须去迎合成人的口味 他表示影片中的小MJ 利用他的舞蹈和声音 而他的表演方式是针对成人观众的 而我才知道Motowne对这个团体 改变有多大 Of course, it was seeing some of the things you'll see in this video that made us all scream with laughter (when I said that above, I meant it was us laughing, not the audience in the video). So, besides the dancing, listen to MJ's vocal inflections and compare those to his Motown years. I found myself wishing that they'd never gone to Motown! And another strong thought I had when I watched it was how much it reminded me of MJ's movements in You Rock My World. I guess I realized that in some ways, the progression of his musical development over the decades was to come "home" to his original roots. 单然看到这些影片 与会的听众都笑了(我说的是参加研讨会的人 而不是影片的听众) 除了舞蹈 听MJ声音的表达方式在比较Motwon时期 我发现我自己希望当初他们没加入 Motown 而当我看这些影片时 让我想起了很多MJ後期在you rock my world的舞步 我想 MJ的音乐发展在这数十年来 回归了他最原始的发源地 Clinton Ghent was on the panel - he choreographed this routine. And guess what he wears?! White socks and loafers. LOL! I guess that was MJ's first contact with his signature look. Clinton was telling us that he taught the J5 how to slow down their steps so they wouldn't come back to their mikes breathless from dancing so fast. He said they barely needed to be taught anything: "They had the rhythm. I just had to show them some little techniques." Clinton Ghent也在这个主题会上 他当年编了这个舞 而猜猜他穿了什麽 白袜子和懒人 皮鞋 哈哈 我想我发现了MJ的标志性装扮的源头 Clinton告诉我们他怎麽敎J5舞步要慢 一点 免的他们要唱歌时因为跳太快而喘不过气 他也说他们基本上不需要被敎什麽 他们 本就很有韵律感 我只要交他们一些诀窍 So, this is one of two (that Austen knew of) videos of the J5 prior to Motown. It was for the Miss Black America pageant in Madison Square Garden. I think he said it was from 1969, but that's what I have to look up. 这就是其中一个J5进入Motown前的影片 这是在麦迪逊花园广场举办的 美国非裔小姐的 庆祝会 时间应该是1969年 (後来作者有找到 这个影片是J5刚加入Motown不久的表演) He said he knows of another video that exists but he hasn't seen it yet. He said there is a person making a documentary and he thinks both of these will be included in it. 他说还有另一个影片存在 他说有人正在做记录片 而他确定这两个影片都会被放入 He also told us that the very first recording that the J5 ever made was discovered a couple of weeks ago. He heard about it and tracked it down. We saw a picture of it in the box they found it in. 他说J5第一次录制的唱片在几周前被发现了 他听说了之後去找 他也展示了照片显示 他们是在哪个盒子里找到的 So, he's doing a lot of really important research. He said if anyone was in Chicago in those days who could tell him anything about those first days of the J5 or even just about the club circuit and other performers there, he would love to hear from them and would be interviewing everyone. Reply With Quote 他说他做了很多的相关研究 而芝加哥地区如果有任何人知道J5早期演出的酒吧巡演路线 等资讯 他会很希望能有所交流 --

※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 130.85.56.85 多谢指证 我看几篇有去的人的讨论 他们说会中的确认为Motown为了吸引青少年而把 J5塑造成今天所谓泡泡糖男孩团体 其实很多西洋音乐研究讲到90年代红翻boy band的原身 J5就是非常着名的例子和起源 ※ 编辑: oldtrafford 来自: 130.85.56.85 (10/04 23:09)