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Part I It was excellent. There was a panel discussion with Ed Eckstein, Siedah Garrett, Ricky Lawson, Greg Phillinganes, and Harry Weinger. A nice sized audience (200 ppl maybe?) This of course, was the paid event, not free like the rest of the weekend's events that I unfortunately could not attend. So it was a nice sized-crowd. 约两百人参与的研讨会 So, the night of course was spent discussing Michael's music, but also, there were a whole lot of funny MJ stories. 讨论MJ的音乐 但也有很多MJ的有趣故事 The night started with Ed Eckstein. I must admit things started out a bit slow (he had his whole speech written and was reading it to us). But he told us about how his “bromance” with MJ started when he was away at college and heard the Jackson 5 for the first time on the radio. He later began to work with Quincy Jones in 1974, and of course, ended up meeting and working with Michael. 第一个讲者是Ed Eckstein 必须承认一开头进度很缓慢 他写了讲稿照着念 但他告诉我 们他和MJ的兄弟情谊是怎麽建立的 他在大学时第一次在广播上听到J5的歌 之後他从1974 年开始跟Quency Jones工作 最後他见到了MJ和与她工作 He showed a picture of himself and a young teenaged MJ and went on to talk about some general stuff...How Michael was a genius, etc. He talked about how the Jackson 5 were pretty much the Black Beetles with all the hysteria they were causing everywhere they went. This set the tone for the night. Then he introduced Harry Weinger. This is when things started to pick up because Harry had music for us, lol. 他展示了他和青年时期的MJ 他讲了一些很一般的东西 MJ是个天才等等等 他讲到J5基本 上是黑人版的披头四 他们到哪里都造成一股疯狂热潮 然後他介绍了Harry Winger 而一 切开始步上轨道 Harry带了音乐来 Harry Weinger had some amazing recordings of Baby MJ to share with us. He focused on Michael's musical evolution, and how Michael was truly a child prodegy. He discussed the evolution of Jackson 5 songs back when the boys were at Motown. Harry有很多不可思议小MJ的录音 他着重於麦可在音乐上的演化 还有MJ是怎样的神童 他讨论了J5从Motown开始一路来歌曲的演进 He played the classic “The Love You Save” for us, and then discussed how the song came to be. Apparently, the song started off as “Guess Who’s Making Whoopy with Your Girlfriend” (which I could have sworn was the original of “Mama’s Pearl" ...but, not according to Harry. I guess the musical track for GWMWWYG eventually was reused and a new song was written for it, Mama's Pearl). But anyway, he says the song’s title was too long and had to be reworked. It evolved into another version of “The Love You Save”, which he played for us. It was so fascinating to hear this stuff! You could hear “The Love You Save” in development…It was there, but not quite there yet. Some of the lyrics were the same, but the phrasing and the way Michael was singing it was different. Interesting stuff, getting to hear the steps that were taken to reach the final version. He told us how their were plenty of Jackson 5 songs that never saw the light of day, as well as recordings of some of their biggest hits in the developmental phases. What was interesting though, is how he showed us how their sound began to change (as MJ started getting older and using more input). He started playing other things, songs he described as the "bridge" between J5 Motown-esque songs, and Jacksons era songs. Songs that you could hear early Motown influence, but was moving in the direction of later Jackson songs as they worked to change their sound. 他放了经典的The Love you save然後告诉我们这首歌是怎麽形成的 很显然这首歌一开 始是根据Guess Who’s Making Whoopy with Your Girlfriend 但是这首歌名实在太长了 所以必须重新弄过 所以就变成另一个版本的The Love you save 他也拨给我们听了 你可 以听见这首歌正有雏形 就快完成 但还不到最终的样子 有些歌词是一样的 但是很多桥段 还有麦可唱的方式是不一样的 听这些一路来的版本到最後版很有趣 他告诉我们有很多 J5的歌曲一直都没被发行 包括这些唱销歌曲的雏型版 更有趣的事他向我们展示J5的音乐 怎样开始转变(随着MJ长大 他参与了更多) 他也放了很多音乐展现了从Motown时期的MJ 到最後MJ单飞时期的音乐的过渡时期 那些歌你可以听到早期Motwon的影子 但你也可以听 到後来MJ歌曲的雏形 One incredible thing he shared with us is how they have recordings over at Motown of Michael singing different takes of songs and how on each one, he is in perfect harmony with himself. He said listening through these old recordings, they played them all together, and Michael consistently remained in the same key, same inflictions of his voice...And he was 10-11 years old. So it was evident at that early age, he already had an incredible ear for music, and incredible control over his vocals. 另一个他告诉我们很厉害的事情是 当他们在录Motwon的歌曲时 麦可会同一首歌唱很多次 但每一次他唱出的曲调总是一样的 如果把所有不同次唱的录音同时播放 麦可永远都是音 都一样的准 而当时他只有10-11岁 这些都是他在很小的时候就已经有对音乐很厉害的耳朵 还有对他声音就已经非常有掌控力的证据 Weinger gave us some really special treats with these old recordings he played for us. One was an absolutely beautiful acapella of Michael singing "Never Can Say Goodbye." Talk about the voice of an angel...That was an understatement. The audience was in awe just listening to him. His voice so clear, beautiful, so controled. And that fantastic ad-libbing at the end, when he was so young. 他还放了一个Never Can Say Goodbye的清唱版 说是天使之音都还不足以形容 听众听了 全部都傻眼了 他的声音非常清澈美丽 和有掌控力 最後的即兴发挥实在太棒了 而他那时 还如此年纪小 Another treat...Weinger discussed how of course, Young Michael is always described as being so incredibly mature. But every now and then, the 11 year old that he was would creep out. So he plays us this clip of Michael singing a cover of Diana Ross' song, "He's My Sunny Boy." The lyrics were changed to "I'm Your Sunny Boy" though. Michael is singing, so professional and all. And then at the end, singing, "I'll be your sunny boy baby" or something along those lines, he just starts cracking up laughing all of a sudden. It was SO f-reakin' adorable. The sound of BB MJ's voice laughing throughout the auditorium. Priceless. 还有他也描述了小MJ是怎样的成熟 一个十一岁的小孩的样子还是时不时会跑出来 他放了 一段麦可唱Diana Ross的歌He's My sunny boy 歌词被改成I am your Sunny Boy 麦可 非常职业的唱着 但在最後的时候 他唱到I'll be your sunny boy baby 他就开始突然 笑了出来 听到小MJ的笑声回响在整个会议厅 无价 Then Harry played some audio of live Jackson 5 performances for us (being recorded to make a J5 Live album). Only thing is, this particular recording had some issues, lol. The Jackson 5 were singing...The Love You Save (I think? don't quote me...I'm forgetting now, lol). Anyway, something is wrong with the amplifier. You hear the J5 singing, you hear the crowd screaming. They get to the end of the song, and BB MJ is not too thrilled about the jacked-up amplifier. All of a sudden, you hear BB MJ going, "I don't know what's wrong with this amplifier. Do you know what's wrong with it? Do you know." LOL! 他也放了J5的现场演出 不过录音时有一些问题 J5正在唱歌 而扩音器有问题 你可以听到 J5在唱歌 观众在尖叫 他们唱完了整首歌 小MJ显然对扩音器不太满意 突然你听见小MJ说 我不知道扩音器出了甚麽问题 你们知道怎麽了吗? 你们知道吗???? He was so serious. Something onstage was sounding off to him, and he wanted it fixed! Harry said it reminded him of MJ in TII, trying to make sure everything was sounding right. Apparently the man was a perfectionist and had a very keen ear since he was a child. 他非常严肃 他显然听出音响不太对 而他想要有人去修正他 Harry说这让他想起了在TII 中的MJ 他要确定所有东西听起来都是对的 这个人从小时後就是个完美主义者而且他有一 对很灵的耳朵 Next, we got some fun stories about J5 performances. Of course, they drove girls crazy. BB MJ was already a ladies' man, and already knew how to work an audience. There was a huge, but fake, diamond ring that Michael was given to wear onstage during performances. A little trick he learned onstage was how to make the ring catch light in just the right way to reflect on someone in the audience. So what he used to do was scan the crowd, and single out a girl. He'd make eye contact with her, hold out his hand, and "flash" the ring at her. Drove girls crazy, lol. So even at that young age, he was already trying to connect personally to the audience...Putting extra things into the performance. The little flirt, lol. 然後他们讲了J5表演时有趣的故事 当然他们让女孩们都疯狂了 小MJ已经很知道怎麽去挑 拨观众了 麦可上台时手上会带一个超大但是假的钻戒 而他研究出一个方法能让他在台上 时利用舞台上的光反射到观众 所以他常会做的是 扫过群众 选出其中一个女孩 他会看着 她 然後用戒指反射光芒给她 那些女孩们都疯了即使在他很小的时候他已经知道怎麽跟 观众一对一的互动 小调戏一下 Then there were times of course, when the girls in the audience would rush the stage. At one concert, Berry Gordy and Diana Ross were in the audience and saw the stampeded coming. So they took off. Who else took off? Jermaine. Dropped his guitar and ran for his life. BB MJ was upset about that. In an interview (I forgot what magazine Harry said it was for), BB MJ said something like, "It's a shame we can't perform the songs the way we want to. Jermaine had to drop his guitar." (*cough* sounds like he was calling Jermaine a punk *cough*). Kidding, lol. But it was funny. 也有时後歌迷整个暴动冲上台 有一场演唱会Berry Gordy和Diana Ross在观众席 他们就 看到了这一幕 他们就跑走了 还有谁也跑走了?Jermaine 他丢下他的吉他逃命去了 小MJ 对於这些很不开心 在一个访问中小MJ说不能照我们想要的方式表演我们的歌实在太遗憾 了 Jermaine必须丢了他的吉他 Ok, this is getting long. So I'm going to break up my posts. I'm not anywhere near finished yet though, lol. -- In a world filled with hate, we must still dare to hope. In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort. In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream. In a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe. ~~~~By Michael Jackson --



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1F:推 hcshin:显然MJ从小就拥有所谓的"绝对音感" 10/04 06:50
2F:推 jeserena:好羡慕 真希望我也在现场 10/04 10:27
3F:推 oldtrafford:这研讨会真的不错 很多有价值的内容 小MJ好厉害 10/04 22:14
4F:推 Herblay:可是绝对音感的人会在转调时遇到困难 我想MJ那个不是绝对 10/04 23:01
5F:→ Herblay:音感 不过他对音乐很敏感是真的 这种是要讲天份的啊... 10/04 23:02
6F:推 hcshin:绝对音感的人会在转调时遇到困难? 可以解释一下吗? 10/04 23:07
7F:推 Herblay:因为天生绝对音感的人只是很会辨认个别的音 却不擅长分辨 10/04 23:16
8F:→ Herblay:每个音之间的关系 所以听到不同调性的音阶时 就像听到一堆 10/04 23:17
9F:推 u7273:推 好棒的研讨会 10/05 01:55
10F:推 moon777:希望这个研讨会能整理出专刊,很棒的专业讨论。 10/06 00:14







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